July 22/19


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Today's Quote July 21/2019

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.


Scriba Town Supervisor Ramsey with chubby blonde Saturday night!
Rob Ramsey who is the chubby blonde you left Alex’s Restaurant holding hands with tonight? You literally walked right past us. It was not Liz, your wife. WTH. Holding hands even dude!


July 21/19


Come celebrate the memory of Garrett Dunsmoor at Lake Elizabeth with live music
Lake Elizabeth
779 County Route 53
Oswego, NY 13126
Isn’t this the same place that our Scriba Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey took his girlfriends to engage in s3xual misconduct while Robs wife, slept aimlessly through the night?

“Dear Mr. Scriba Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey” ... were you or were you not on the clock with the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department under Sheriff Hilton’s watch as “Sheriff Road Patrol Deputy Rob Ramsey” as you engaged in your trysts at Lake Elizabeth coined the Dunsmore Brothel?

July 21/19

G-Man’s Memorial Fundraiser - are you kidding me? No ticket - No admittance
Barlow said Garrett Dunsmoor, a 22-year-old man who tragically lost his life last summer, embodied that purpose, adding it was “totally appropriate” to name the basketball court after Dunsmoor — “epitomizes everything he stands for.” Should this have said, "epitomizes everything he stood for.”

With all due respect, “G-Man”, Garrett Dunsmoor rarely, if EVER, as in NEVER played basketball at Breitbeck Park. “G-Man” Garrett was an avid Lacrosse player.

There have been several young deaths in Oswego County to which they did play basketball at Breitbeck Park. Why were the Courts not dedicated to any of them? What political agenda were you really going for Mayor Barlow in dedicating the Breitbeck Park Basketball Courts to Garrett Dunsmoor? Where is the relationship to this????
Furthermore the unveiling of the Breitbeck Park Basketball Courts as “ Garrett Dunsmoor Basketball Court” occurred just two days before the Dunsmoor Memorial Foundation held their Garrett Dunsmoor $40.00 per ticket Memorial Fundraiser. Is this a coincidence or used as a platform to capitalize on the $40.00 ($44.31) per ticket to get into the Garrett Dunsmoor Memorial Fundraiser? It definitely worked, the tickets are SOLD OUT!

FOUR hours left online to buy tickets yet it is closed to buy tickets! Bravo

“Any funds raised will support our mission to enrich the lives and invest in the future of youth in and around the Oswego Community despite their means.”
Many of us that knew, partied with, hung out with the “G-Man” Garrett Dunsmoor on a very personal basis wanted to attend his fundraiser. However $40.00 is a steep price for us poor college students living on a budget. Why was there an added $4.31 fee added to the $40.00 general admission price? What is the fee for??? This brought the total cost to attend Garrett’s Fundraiser to $44.31 per ticket. Was the Dunsmoor family banking on the change of 69 cents per person to be an additional “donation” perhaps??? -

$$ Cha-Ching $$

G-Man, we are with you in thought - the memories will be with us forever RIP Garrett

The “real friends - the real poor friends” of “G-Man” Garrett Dunsmoor ~ RIP our brother

July 21/19


Stinson replies
I'm absolutely sure of my time. What happened before 0741 or somewhere else I can't explain.
I know the SOF is not all inclusive. I wish it was. Because I have questions too.

July 21/19


What happened?
Drug bust. Wish they would bust 177 E. second St.

July 21/19


Refineries Across America Could Create Catastrophic Acid Clouds. It Almost Happened In Philly.


July 21/19




Today's Quote July 20/2019

Somehow politicians have become convinced that negative campaigning pays off in elections.
George McGovern



What Happened

88E 12th St. Oswego

Police with guns drawn surrounded the house.

Yards and yards of crime scene tape and all the windows broken out of the house.

July 20/19



Mr. Stinson
How can you possibly believe the last transaction made by Richard was at 7:42am when another disinterested witness heard and saw his van go west then back east between 7-7:30am?

These next few questions are not specifically for you but feel free to try to give a logical answer:

How can you possibly believe Richard could have been the one bear-hugging Heidi based on Bivens testimony? Sorry, I retract the question because there is no logical answer unless one where to have refreshed their recent memory of his ENTIRE trial testimony. Just so you know, some pages have been posted on this site that Gregory didn't put in his SOF.

How can the ADA/DA theory possibly be truthful considering there was no physical evidence to show the theory to be realistic, true or corroborated?

Care to explain how Sharon was not proven to be lying about Gary's alibi and Richard was found not guilty of kidnapping and presumably killing Heidi but Gary was-considering the public knowledge of the differences in the two trials?

No doubt that the ADA/DA's theory is correct? Or, maybe, you (not you per say) just believe every word that comes out of a law enforcement agents mouth even when those words have been proven PROVEN false?

Some of us are willing to fight to the end for the truth...For Heidi and for Gary.!. And I will keep posting and asking questions til the truth is realized. (That's for the ignorant people who think that the only reason someone would post about this case is they are involved or the 'killer'. Get a clue, ms. genius. You make me laugh with your outlandish theory. 'Fluff and drama'-worth it to Get The Truth. 'There is some truth behind every lie')

Keep on keeping on, supporters. Vaya con Dios

July 20/19


Thank You
I want to thank you to the person who found my purse in a cart at Wal-Mart thank you so much

July 20/19


Dear Melania
Pack your bags and get your ugly ass back to which ever Slavic country you came from and take your commie parents with you.

July 20/19


He isn’t too smart for a business owner.

Here’s a history lesson for you, Murtaugh.

April 3, 1994-Heidi disappears

April 9, 1994-Richard cooperates with forensic testing of his van and giving DNA samples

April 28, 1994-During FBI surveillance, Richards van is seen being washed at a car wash

Between April 28, 1994 and May 25, 1994 when Richard, Gary and Sharon were arrested, Oswego Sheriff’s deputy confiscate a piece of carpeting from Richards van that was removed since the forensic testing on April 9, 1994. Read the trial testimony, dummy, Richard and/or Teresa were given a property receipt for the missing carpet that had CANINE DNA.

June 1994-Sheriff’s confiscate furnace from Gary’s property while he was in MA jail

July 1994-Gary is released from MA (where he was given time served…hard to justify TS for drug trafficking, NO?) Arrested for Heidi’s disappearance and his property was searched again, with the help of State police canine and grid searching. What did they find? NOTHING to link to Heidi. Also, what did they find? Look at the police photos that have been made public-a blue van and white trailer on the property. You can agree that the trailer wasn’t mobile? In what condition and how did you have to STEAL that blue van, Murtaugh? Flat tow, hooked from front, hooked from back, hot-wired and drove it out?

August 1994-Rog, Murtaugh, and still not clear whether a male or female, took the blue van from Gary’s property.

Damn, Jen, why did you have to go and be video-taped telling Pietroski what you did about the time around Heidi’s disappearance? Why did you have to go and tell so many lies In A Court Of Law? Were you a good little girl and performed during the Hearing as the Murtaugh’s instructed? Jen, the most interesting thing I found from your questioning was your claim of your parents living on Leavitt Road. Where was an army fold-up type shovel found? Not At Gary’s!!!


July 20/19



Bottom Line with Boris Epshteyn

I do so love hearing the republican bulshit that flows from Trumps Russian Communist Jewish friends.

Please Mr. Putin take him back.


July 20/19





Today's Quote July 19/2019

If we could just find out who's in charge, we could kill him.
George Carlin

let's not forget
let's not forget the young boy who stated, he saw a police man with black boots shoot Heidi.....and an forensics expert said he was telling the trut

July 19/19

A leading Holocaust historian just seriously compared the US to Nazi Germany
Topics, ranging from Trump’s “America First” foreign policy — a phrase most closely associated with a group of prewar American Nazi sympathizers — to the role of Fox News as a kind of privatized state propaganda office. But the most interesting part of his argument is the comparison between Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Paul von Hindenburg, the German leader who ultimately handed power over to Hitler.

July 19/19

Stinson replies to sof
Stinson replies. I posted what I believe about the cash register on June 7-8. Whatever happened to Heidi, happened within seconds of her last transaction. Not 7:16. Not 7:30.

July 19/19


FBI Criminal Profiling 101
D'Oh! I forgot that the person who insinuates himself into the investigation with no apparent connection to the case seeking to steer the boat while keeping an ear open for any sign that they're on to him is the killer. Every time. Now if this criteria fits any of the narcissistic cast of self-serving sleuths being referenced here in these encyclopedic texts then you all know who the killer is. Simple
Homer J. Simpson

July 19/19


> Murtaugh comments:

> Well it's taking over 20 yrs an still don't know 100% I'd almost say it's the perfect crime ..
> Posted on Oswego County DA: James Steen is pathological liar, but not Heidi Allen's killer
> 10/22/2014 4:28 PM
> Maybe there's a 3rd person jmo let's say he knew better or maybe looking at life an not just a month or two who knows
> Posted on Oswego County DA: James Steen is pathological liar, but not Heidi Allen's killer
> 10/22/2014 2:57 PM
> you all going to hate me now but .... Back in day when roger & jay ( thumper ) where around jay was a great kid but his last few years free he got into that stuff you smoked / put up your nose um I think it's called bath salts .. He even burned down a trailer a yr or so before he killed Vicky turned bad an I mean real bad fast but ... Jmo though don't hate me too much .
> Posted on James 'Thumper' Steen described as a violent braggart capable of kidnapping Heidi Allen
> 10/5/2014 8:11 PM
> Is there still a cash award up & if so how much is it .. What you got to do to receive it ty
> Posted on Judge in Heidi Allen case reverses decision, will allow DA to respond to wrongful conviction claim
> 9/19/2014 5:48 PM
> As a matter of fact I do on my way to new haven now had a nice road trip to fernwood too wink emoticon
> Posted on Judge to prosecutor in Heidi Allen case: You missed chance to respond to wrongful conviction claim
> 9/18/2014 9:42 AM
> Omg please no mistake we (3 of us) picked up two vans at gt house ... Me roger & a 3rd person picked up a dift van in fern wood I can't tell you where it was but I'm sure I can drive right to there like I did last week going to Gary's house ( that I had only been to twice before in the 90's
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:25 PM
> It was a red house is all we can remember
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:17 PM
> I'm sorry I don't I'd just be guessing but one of my helpers just asked me if I remember going to fern wood to get a white van at 1st didn't remember but after talking a bit I do now
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:08 PM
> No in fern wood ( I think that's how you spell it
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:05 PM
> Omg I don't know I just remember him coming to me wanting me to pick one up for him .. Never gave it much thought till tonight talking it over with my staff
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 10:55 PM
> You all ready for this one ????? I do remember going with RB to fern wood to pick up a white van that he had to junk back around same time of the ha deal
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 10:52 PM
> Never said I didn't know Roger .. As far as the cascade goes no I haven't followed it until my name was brought into it. Never met MB or GT OR BL ....
> Posted on Roger Breckenridge prison interview: I had nothing to do with Heidi Allen's kidnapping (video)
> 9/10/2014 8:51 AM
> Rich Murtaugh
> Sep 14, 2014
> No that mb is way out there as soon as he said he knows I killed my 1st ( only) wife I knew he was off his meds ( by the way she lives in Syracuse ) lol
> Flag
> ImBarbie
> ImBarbie
> Sep 14, 2014
> @Rich Murtaugh Yes, he's out there but still a smart guy.
> Flag
> Rich Murtaugh
> Rich Murtaugh
> Sep 14, 2014
> If he's so smart why he living in a camper with not a penny
> Flag
> ImBarbie
> ImBarbie
> Sep 14, 2014
> @Rich Murtaugh I know some really rich people...that live like paupers.
> Flag
> Rich Murtaugh
> Rich Murtaugh
> Sep 14, 2014
> Ur right I do too but only a few months of the yr though not yr round plus I was told he didn't have a thing ( I was going to sue him for the wife deal but can't get water from a stone I was told
> My roll, I rolled a 7 beat that. Thats just parts of 2014, we have five years to go of Murtaghs comments because they are everywhere.

July 19/19





Today's Quote July 18/2019

Hatred, racism, and extremism have no place in this country.
Angela Merkel


Is Trump A Racist Or Are The Democrats Self Destructing Again!


The answer is Yes and Yes.


Democrats are pointing the finger and playing the racist card at the drop of a hat. They have worn it out to the point no one cares anymore. If Trump tells four congress women of color, Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley, and Tlaib, to go back the country they came from is that a racist statement? What if it were four congress men? What if they were white? Am I a racist if I wipe my ass with my left hand instead of my right maybe I should check twitter before I go any further. Telling someone to go back where they came from is not racist it is merely an attempt by a less than intelligent person to make a point or win an argument. Since three of the four women were born in the USA and the fourth has been a citizen longer than Trumps latest bimbo wife his statement only draws attention to his ignorance which I am sure is greater than any ignorance this country has ever seen before.


A year ago I called for the Democrats to replace Nancy Pelosi. Was I ever wrong on that one. Pelosi is the only one with her eye on the ball and the only one that can deal with that fat orange asshole some people call the president. However she does not fully get what this devious despot is up to. Trumps heroes are absolute rulers who murder their enemies. While he does not want to be seen in that light he is going full tilt to whip up the hatred of his supporters. He is accusing his enemies, currently Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley, and Tlaib of saying and doing unspeakable things to him, calling them" "a dangerous militant hard left" and all the time hoping someone among his racist followers will assassinate one or all of them. It is no longer hate speech. It is a deliberate and calculated effort to get someone killed.


Probably the only two books he has ever read were written by Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini because he is attempting to consolidate power and eliminate anyone who opposes him just as they did. I can not wait for the day when I see Trump and his family dragged through the streets and hung in public just like Mussolini. Surely it would be like nothing this country has ever seen before and that draft dogging short peckered son of a bitch will finally get the attention he deserves.




Looking like a parade
I do believe after watching repeated new people speak out publically. The idea it'll look like a parade is correct. You pissed off the public. That's not always a good thing.

July 18/19


Several ways to find the "Statement of Facts" (incomplete at that)



July 18/19

Google "Heidi Allen Statement of Facts" as well.
These "facts" are interesting. But more interesting is what was left out of Greg's "Statement". The rebuttal and surrebuttal witnesses weren't important to mention? Taking the jurors to see Richard's van After deputy witnesses had testified to no physical evidence in it and there were a multitude of photos shown to the jurists? What about the juror who was taken into chambers and asked if she told someone she had made a decision before ALL the evidence was presented? What about Bivens saying in court "I don't want to send an innocent man away." when pressed by the defense as to why he changed his drive-by time after the deputies told him what time they suspected Heidi went missing? What do you think, Mr. Stinson? DId LE pressure you about time? Also, how many minutes do you believe "the timeline" is off? 1, 2 10, 30, 40 something minutes wrong? Isn't an accurate timeline important? What about the bartender witness whose testimony was struck by the Appellate Division in 1999 but Greg still quoted that testimony in front of the NYS Appeals Board in 2017/2018? Why, exactly, was the testimony struck? Read the Decision and then find (online) what that testimony was. Actually, some has been posted on this site-pages right from the original trial transcript.

Statement of Facts? my fat toe. Partial, as most of this case is...Partial Facts, Partial Truth. Here's Whole Truth-No Justice for Heidi's family, the Thibodeau family OR THE COMMUNITY.

July 18/19

Trump is a Raciest.
He has demonstrated for years by his actions that he is a raciest and a white supremacist He has a new hat for his base of haters and it is called...MARA ( Make America Raciest Again).

July 18/19


Roll the Dice
Sal is online defending the likes of Murtagh claiming that if anyone posts, says or makes accusations against Murtagh and his part in the disposal of Allens remains or the van without direct proof is nothing short of defamation. I for one have yet to see anyone post anything accusing Murtagh of taking part in the disposal of Allens remains. Where Sal or even Murtagh got that idea from is beyond me, Sal may want to ask himself how he came up with that theory. What I have seen and experienced through others is that Murtagh is very defensive and often posts lie after lie about the Thibodeau family(defamation, slander), people Murtagh openly admitted on Sal's wall he did not know. I also see Murtagh sending threats across the internet to the Thibodeau family one, in particular, he would burn their home to the ground. I also am aware he has tampered with and threatened several witnesses and a film producer on line. I wonder if Sal knows exactly what he is getting in to because every move, every post coming from Murtagh has and will continue to be documented, seeing as Richard was acquitted of the charges, all the lies Murtagh claims online and accusing even Richard, is nothing less than defamation, threatening Richards family is assault and harassment, two can roll that same dice accept in the end, Murtagh could also face harassment, assault with the threats and tampering with every witness that came forward, on top of him harassing several people in public places. What he and Sal do not comprehend is not one person other than the suspects named Murtagh in an ounce of this case, not one of the suspects ever claimed he was ever involved in disposing of Allens remains. All the time's Murtagh names have been brought forth were from Officer Wheeler, Steen, Wescott and Bohrer. Never has anyone ever claimed Murtagh took part in the disposal, what they do know and can fact check Murtagh and Sal both on is the fact repeated people have named his junkyard as the point of entry for disposal of the van used to kidnap Heidi Allen. So, Sal, you want to push lets push and we will release every threat Murtagh ever tossed across the internet, including throwing in a few witnesses he actually made threatening telephone calls to. We will tie your hands so tight you won't be standing up for anyone when it is said and done. Once any judge sees the threats Murtagh will bury himself, and any case he feels he has for defamation can be countered with a lawsuit for his rants on the claims he makes against Richard and the threats of burning his home to the ground will do one thing, make the public see how much of a pathetic man Murtaghh truly is, his simple defamation lawsuit will turn in to arrests. It'll also show the public how crazy Sal is for the following suit, he hasn't watched Murtagh enough to know that Murtagh is tampering with witnesses and I am certain that charge will hold far more water than any defamation lawsuit he ever wants to threaten. You do not want to roll the dice Sal. WE do have all the threats and multiple witnesses, many, upon many posts from Murtagh your best bet is to inform your client to stop posting altogether, you may want to inform him he could also face multiple charges if push comes to shove. I can promise you on this side of the fence, all of Murtagh's lies are nothing less than defamation, harassment, tampering, assault. Roll the dice Sal, let's see which way it goes. In the end Sal he will bury your name even further as he is doing well enough burying his own.

July 18/19


Hey Greg. Hey jurors
This says it all. “No proof for this trial”
No physical evidence. No positive ID. Witnesses getting deals. Massaging of witnesses. Misconduct by the prosecution. Deputy lying before the Grand Jury. Inaccurate timeline presented by the prosecution at trial. Tainting public perception via false information to the media. Falsely using a Grand Jury to, before the witness even testified, taint an alibi witness….just what to expect from a corrupt system in Oswego to have some kind of closure. But really was it closure? It should have been if it were a fair and truthful trial.

“Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law”

Yes, Dodd, you did have to ‘prove’ this and prove that. Your case was based on speculation and a BS theory. Those jurors did such an INJUSTICE on that day by convicting the wrong guy. What say you, juror #13? Would you have a different opinion had you heard about other suspects/POI or about all the documents the prosecution failed to turn over to the Defense? Or were you taken in by the mob mentality of “We have to get someone.”?

This case is disgusting. Likewise, lacking moral character-those who know something and aren’t speaking up against this Injustice. Heidi’s life was worth the embarrassment. Gary’s life in prison was worth the embarrassment.


July 18/19


Murtagh is online doing all he can to flag and block anyone who's fact checking him. What's the matter Murtagh you can't handle facts? He's attempting to silence anyone who even posts a document or facts to Garys case by reporting the person on facebook and flagging every comment he comes across LMAO..coward, here you can't silence anyone. There you can't either because they'll all just hop on to another account. No one but poor Sal has your back.


July 18/19





Today's Quote July 17/2019

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight.
Phyllis Diller

Peices of the puzzle/ Lanza posts a Parody
I was a student at SUNY Oswego. Originally came from Brooklyn New York. My father was an attorney. I've been interested in all things law enforcement, drugs, and deviance in all forms since childhood. I've worked all sides of the law. I have rubbed elbows with the low in high places, and I know the highest of the low.... I'm not in Oswego anymore.
One of my funniest sites that I've seen happened shortly before I left. I saw the Three Amigo's together (gosuck,Tatoo, boydine) but that's an aside, or perhaps not.
I always wonder why no one except me ties together the Woods, Allen, and New York Pizza cases together. Why is Oswego Police department never discussed?
Scotty's towing, that would be an interesting discussion.
Amanda hanging out with the owner.
I always refer to Scotty's tow truck as the snowmobile.
Since we're talking about funny business in the business world, the landlord tenant business would be great for money laundering, especially when most of the town is owned and run by the same people. The landlords are the police, the politicians, and public servants. Everyone wares many hats.
New York pizzeria fire is tide up with the drug trade.. somewhere along the line somebody was going into business on their own... Maybe royalties weren't paid to a larger organization, or money was taken that was supposed to be cleaned with pepperoni and chicken wings...
pathefinder bank... Perhaps I should be careful with this one....the guys wife bakes really good, at first I was surprised he was mixed up but then I concluded he realized he was in too deep too late.... It's hard to speak up for what's right when your wife runs a business and you hold such a key position, besides a banker here you know what follow the money means.
Sal, is that you posting? Or is it a Parody? The sad part is also the funny part: I think it really is you..if anything you are the most sophisticated of the unsophisticated.... You've demonstrated yourself to be an ignorant small town attorney....
Sal you know me, we spoke on the phone, My two stepsons are the tasmanian devils, one of which you represented, that's how I know how you accept payment. Bitter pill is the truth....
Here is a piece of the puzzle: you may physically have to go down to the library and look for a local newspaper article about Ronal Eliason LSD arrest Onondaga hall...Ron is dead... Supposedly he died of a heat stroke in md more than 10 years ago... When we lived off-campus together on East 4th Street near shaperio paper, we had two interesting guests very frequently, both police officers, one in the future would be charged with rape that was handled in civil court somehow, and the other became a mayor
I had fun living off campus, Ron was there for the summer, but during the school year lived in the dorms... The actual big LSD bust happened happened on campus.. I think they waited so they could do it there so that would be less involved with the city.... I was a drug runner but I didn't know it. I just thought we were going for an ounce or two of pot... Years later I realize that the two book bags were flat on way to Rochester and on way back full... I think they were not full of onions....
Here later I was joking myself that I didn't realize I was working for dumbsmoore farms onion transportation...
I mean it anybody over the head with it but there's a lot of clues here some very obvious especially for people in the know..
I make really good pizza, but I'm also a good listener.
When I work for a domestic violence shelter one of the sheriff's deputies was they're on official business. Before he left he was joking around with a couple of female counselors. He took his gun out I practically Force the councelor to hold it in her hands.... Now that's a creepy piece of the puzzle.
Task force that busted Ron, I'm kind of hoping that there was one guy on the raid that found out that Ron was connected to the players in Oswego. Ron sold mostly marijuana some lsd, I don't know about the coke but I know he snorted it, because I free base with him a few times..tie in ron to the cops and the landlords.
Two the Oswego sheriff's department detective came to talk to me smudge, and bald thin italian guy.... They kept on trying to get me in the back of the car so we can talk because it was so cold outside.
deviance is a hobby of mine, never get into the back seat voluntarily because your chances of survival decrease if you're taken to a second location..... I honestly think my life is in danger. I don't care. I don't know what Tanya knows. But I know some stuff that Tanya doesn't know. And so on down the line. We all hold pieces the puzzle, some know it some don't.... If I think really hard I know I have more pieces of the puzzle. Everyone knows nobody wants the tree cases solved, much less linked together.
I close with a trivia question: how long did the authorities know exactly where Carol's car was?
I also ask where do the police fill out the paperwork while in fulton, perhaps a quiet spot with a nice view of the river would be a good spot.

July 17/19




July 17/19


Heidi Allen & the OCSD
Why didn't Pietroski arrest or hold JW after he listened to the taped call and he KNEW she was lying ( even admitted to it later ) and they still did not pressure her for more answers.

Why did Ruel Todd say that Pietroski did a very good interrogation. Four hours and they couldn't break her? Must be she's head and shoulders smarter than they are. If they didn't cover up/protect her than they really showed how lost and inept they are. I thought this was going to be easy.

Why did Pietroski take JW phone? What was done with it? Erased texts? Not a word about it.

How could anyone listen to that taped phone call and say it was not credible? Isn't it funny that Oakes told Tonya that and then King said the same thing.
All she said on that is very close to , if not the entire truth.

Hell, she said she didn't know any of the "3" but lived with Roger and these clowns couldn't even take that and run with it to use against her.
**********************unless they didn't want to. Which I think is the truth. So much ignored and hidden from Lisa and RT's lawyer. Why, why would you hide evidence that may help a defendant unless you were involved or knew who was and didn't want to open a box of worms.

" you're not in trouble, you're going to leave here by yourself". Of course she's in trouble, she knew they were going to kill her and didn't call the police to try and stop it.

How much evidence can you turn your back on, hide and ignore and not draw suspicion to the OCSD.

You don't think we know...oh yeah we know. The FBI knows, the guy in the court room knows and I'm sure there are a lot of people that know.

Maybe someone will step up and tell the truth.

Didn't a Deputy get caught lying to the Grand Jury? What was done about that? Were some of the judges involved with the coke selling in as helping them if they went to court? Seems like it doesn't it.

Too bad Tony didn't have a tape recorder on her when they interrogated her.

This has a lot of players in it and it is not going away. 2019 and we now know more than we did in 2014.

Sleep good because it could happen any day now!

July 17/19


Heidi Allen
If someone has the link to Oakes': Statement Of Facts please post the link. Got a new computer and can't seem to find it...???

July 17/19


There will never be Justice!
That's right no TIC TOC and all have gone free except the innocent, the big cheese and the rat pack are all in their 70's and have gotten away with murder. The F.B.I saw this mess and rubber stamped a cover up, It would never be in the public's best interest to know what this group has done and gotten away with. And the only people paying any price is our new Sheriffs Department. They are seen as a gang!, how hard to teach our children that we have both good cops and bad cops in our county. Our children and grand children are taught that just like in cowboys days, the bad one's still wear black hats, we all fear being pulled over by a Sheriff who has been trained to be above our laws and yet enforce law on us. I still state that I will not pull over for a Sheriff, I'll run all the way to a location were a trusted police agency is.

July 17/19


177 E. Second St.
When no one is being arrested it is because they are snitches.........confidential informants. They rat out their “friends” so they aren’t arrested, no honor among thieves. Just sayin’

July 17/19


Rep. Ilhan Omar Has Been A U.S. Citizen Longer Than Melania Trump

July 17/19

Points system at Oswego Speedway is determined by the owners
How could the fastest time trialer start the pole in the feature last week. I think every fan should be given a printout of the ever changing rules at the Speedway. The only track I know of that makes their own rules and changes them on the fly. They stack the deck for the car's they want up front. No matter their time trial or heat finish. There is no over site. I here people complain how the track is run. Not many people in the stands last week. That speaks for itself. They are trying to increase the number of fans but they are losing the battle.

July 17/1


177 East 2nd Street
I guess being lookouts is better than them doing or selling drugs. Although I am sure that's not far away. I am amazed at how many people actually go in and out of that house. Seems like 20-30 different faces every day and not the same ones day in and day out. I bet I have seen over 100 different people in that last 2 weeks and I am NOT exaggerating. It is crazy the amount of different people!!!! As for the Meth busts, I would venture a guess that has slowed down because of the Molly/Herion that has taken over. It's all over the city too. I took a walk along the river the other day around 6:00pm. I honestly didn't feel safe walking by the large groups of sketchy people. It is not a place to be after hours that is for sure.

July 17/19


What a joke
Richard Murtagh the more you post the guiltier you look. Online posting your name never came in to this until mid 2000s, such a bullshitter. Officer Wheeler wrote a statement in regards to Murtagh and his name coming up in 94 because Murtagh stole a van off Gary Thibodeau property without his concent. Wheeler then made his was to Crosby Hill. Murtagh you wouldn't know the truth if someone slapped you with your own 8 ball. What a pos he is. He also claims he never spoke to cny reporters and if he did they twisted his words. Fake news right Murtagh. You are one sick human being. On top of the fact you stole Gary's van that was on his property with no wheels or transmission when he bought the property. Gary was furious and wanted to press charges on anyone stealing off his property. So this idea Murtagh you may have taken the van Gary used is a lie lmao. One they searched his property when he was arrested, toom his wood stove that van was ruled out, two if you disposed of the van you claim he used I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been looking to press charges on you. Instead been relieved. That entire story about stealing Gary's van was a ploy to cover your asses for when you moved the real van off Valley Road. Keep talking Murtagh. The public will keep burying you. You deserve nothing less. Seek Mental help Murtagh you need it.

July 17/19






Today's Quote July 16/2019

I would rather be uncomfortable with the truth than to be lied to in comfort.

That's just my nature.

Jesse Ventura

Harry kept the place up. When he was gone the maintenance ended.


July 16/19


177 E Second St
The ones on the porch are lookouts. When DeCare was first on the job he was making meth bust once a week now you never hear anything. Did everyone stop using and making meth or is the chief giving out free passes like Dehm was. It’s for sure no one is afraid of getting caught.

July 16/19


Watch "Ocasio-Cortez Exposes Evidence on Trump's Dirty LIES with BRILLIANT speech" on YouTube


July 16/19

RE Lanza defending Pagano and not Ciezeski and Sugar.
The answer is you can defend lazy but you can’t defend stupid.


July 16/19







Today's Quote July 15/2019

Truth is the glue that holds government together.
Gerald R. Ford

Dodd and the way out of anything:
When you stated to Matt M. that all the files were available did you mean that the defense has to find them as opposed to your office giving the defense all the info in a case?

All available is an excuse to make it look like the defense didn't do their job and go after the info you are supposed to hand over.

Just who the ph**k do you think you're kidding?

Well actually no one. The only reason you didn't get caught is because you and the OCSD and possibly others did all they could to make GT look guilty.

What was that oath you took?
If they do investigate this case, there are going to be so many witnesses it'll look like a parade....then you are all screwed!

July 14-15/19

How the Florida Legislature used a parking rule to supress voting - News - Daytona Beach News-Journal Online

July 14-15/19

Reply to Dodd about GT's confession:

Mr. Baldasaro, one of the inmates, stated to a news reporter that he did not testify to Gary telling him he abducted Heidi which is confirmed by reading the entire original trial transcript and not just the biased summary of Oakes’ Statement of Facts and annexed Exhibits.

July 14-15/19


Heidi Allen case
Bivens told the OCSD that he saw two guys take HA.

One he described as having white air and in Matt M. doc he said one looked older.
Now seeing that GT was 36 then and all the other players "The 3 " we about that age, who was the older guy? Bivens said he had white hair. Was he massaged into saying this by the OCSD?
Is this all getting closer to the truth?

Keep searching because with the info Matt found and Dodd didn't turn over the rains may start coming.

tic toc!

July 14-15/19

177 East 2nd Street
Despite all the drug dealers and Molly walkers in and out of this house there has been no response from the Slum Lords Tom and Fred.. The police are now making routine patrols but it hasn't really change anything. Now a new and very serious and concerning development has started at the house. For the last few days I have witnessed 6-8 Young kids probably 12-15 years old hanging out on the porch of 177 East 2nd. They are hanging out smoking cigarettes and every now and then they say something smart ass to people walking by. Just a matter of time before they start selling the drugs or worse yet start taking them......

July 14-15/19

greeting to you Sir
I am sorry for this interruption. I have no other way to reach you than these ways if the contents here under are contrary to your moral ethics. Please accept my apology, but please treat with absolute secrecy and personal.

With due regards, my name is Sokg . the business manager of auditing and accounting department of a Bank in South East Asia .

There is a draft account opened in my bank in 1998 by a long-time client of our bank. a national of your country. he was a CEO/a textile company owner. business man. a miner at Kruger mining company in Cambodia. he was also a geologist and a mining consultant to several other mining conglomerates operating in China and Taiwan. Japan. Indonesia. Pakistan. Vietnam all in Asia.

Before he passed away on the November 16th 2004 by car accident with his wife and two children along Cambodia Vietnam road. leaving nobody as the representative of his account after his death. I want to present you as the representative I will use my position and influence in our bank to make sure they release this money to you for us to share. Kindly get back to me for more details.

Best regard
Sokg Maon

July 14-15/19






Today's Quote July 13/2019

I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life,

and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.
Henry David Thoreau

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

Looking again at Matt's doc. I started to really pay attention to all the taped calls....AND WHY NONE OF THIS IFO WAS NEVER USED!

First i'd like to know how the OCSD inv. knew that JW phone called Tonya the night before the Deputy's taping with Tonya.
They had to have JW phone taped. If so , why didn't they release what was said, how long was the phone call and tel us that they collaborated with the two girls.
Jenn said that her son pushed the wrong button...did they ask her son about it? After this is the reason they said the call couldn't be used. REMEMBER they said that Jenn and Tonya may have discussed what they would be saying in the real taped call the OCSD inv set up.

WRONG! If they knew because of a taped call, they would know what was said.
I don't believe JW's son pushed the wrong button on her phone. I believe that the OCSD had someone call JW and tell her to call Tonya so the OCSD inv. could discredit Tonya and her info. After the call, Oakes told Tonya that the call is not credible and used the fact that JW & Tonya talked the night before. They also, to take Tonya out of the picture refused to have take a poly which Tonya asked for.

***** Hello OCSD am I getting close?

Also JW put herself in the middle of this crime by telling Tonya all she knew about a white van, 3 guys bringing HA to her house and leaving her in the van...probably already dead.

Then JW gets called for an interview and Pietroski proved that she was lying and LET HER GO....Sal still think this wasn't a cover up?


JW with Tonya all this info ignored by the OCSD....again!

Roger's wife telling on the phone that the OCSD taped that there was blood in the back seat and we need to get the van to Canada.

JW taped saying the Thibodeaus did not do it and that GT & RT were not at my house. And later said she was at her Mom's house?????


Dodd why wasn't there a green mark on the paper that you wrote..not copied for the defense but said it was all available to the defense but they never saw it. Being available is a sleight of words to help you slip out of the fact that you didn't want this copied and given to the defense.

Also at the bottom there was written that you were going to ask the judge....couldn't make out the rest.

Was the paper that was dated Friday found on the floor at the store at the time of the crime finger printed?

Jenn was never interrogated after she failed a poly.

Now listening and reading all these clues, hints and confessions by these people didn't lead you to a new investigation?
You must be ph*****g kidding me Dodd. How much do you need? How much did the OCSD need to convince them that others were involved?

Or didn't you want to use this info because some cops and the "3" would have been found guilty.

There was enough for Oakes and OCSD to look at others, confessions on the phone, evidence of the van by Roger's wife.










July 13/19






Today's Quote July 11-12/2019

I can't change the direction of the wind, but I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination.
Jimmy Dean

Wescott vs God
Wescott believes she is blessed. Lol blessed by God. Lol she might be lucky but she sure is hell is not blessed. God doesn't support murder. When he started to support people like you Wescott let us all know. You've been protected thanks to Sal and the pos DA, once they are all gone Wescott what happens to you? Being protected by corrupt officials is not God lol that's just pure luck. It's called shit luck. You have very few mow in your life. You don't know who is who. In the end we will make sure all you have left is a prison buddy. Because here's a promise Wescott. There are others making their rounds. It's not the Sheriffs.

July 11-12/19


Lanza Defending Joe Pagano
I saw Sal going out of his way to defend Pagano but he had nothing say in defense of Ciezeski or Sugar.
You really are at the bottom when Sal Lanza can’t come up with a good word for you.

July 11-12/19


Shouldn't this be titled Swimming With Boys?

July 11-12/19








Today's Quote July 10/2019

People only see what they are prepared to see.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

“ does negative advertising work???? Should a candidate throw mud at his opponent and do you approve of it?”
Lanza and his goomba Benedetto conducted an anonomous smear campaign against Coleman.
Benedetto couldn’t bear losing a third time and his partner in slime Lanza figures he can somehow curry favor with a few republicans to use down the road.

July 10/19


Isn’t It true!
Isn’t it true you left the Trailriders after some of the clubs funds came up missing?
Say it isn’t so!

July 10/19


Proof that" all in all he's just another brick in the wall"
Has our top cop ever mentioned he would look into the Heidi Allen case, even while running for this job-NO. has he ever even mentioned the case to the public-NO. Did he refuse comment and to be interviewed by Mat- Yes. So again he can not,and will not make any public comment on this case, and the F.B.I your hoping for great things from, they have done their job! Now it's your turn to show some proof. What has he done, just as he was told OBEY!!!!!!!!! so all in all he's just another brick in the WALL.

July 10/19


Re: Sleezy Sal
**sometimes I spell thinks wrong on purpose**

What a whiny ass cry baby!! 'Oh, the editor reads comments...' blah blah before posting. Guess what, baby, not all of my comments are posted EVERY time. I don't whine and cry about it. Could be not posted because of being too crass or threatening. Maybe the comment was simply overlooked. Or, maybe, the editor has a personal vendetta against you. So many possibilities. Which is correct? The point is that you are a whiny ass baby complaining about it.

Oh, I see how it is. Just because someone hasn't told you something before means it didn't happen? OK, mr. genius lawyer. What facts or corroboration did the witness offer? Well, for one, he wasn't the only one or two or three that heard Steen talking about Heidi and her disappearance. Hindsight is 20/20, mr. genius. Sometimes information comes together at a later time. That's called an EPIPHANY. Look it up, dude. Speaking of epiphany, what did Bohrer say about an 'epiphany'? That Gary didn't do it. Notice I didn't put quotes. This gives you the opportunity to research EXACTLY what he said for yourself. If you need some help finding his statement, I can/will post it for you.

Boring? I don't find this site 'boring'. It also can be informative. Where else can we learn about the BS that goes on in Oswego that mainstream media can't or won't report? I suppose Facebook can be good for that, if you have the right "friends".

So which is it, psychic? Am I college educated or comment on this site all the time and should go to the basement? Both? Am I a man or woman? What difference does it make anyhow? If I say, "My truck is bigger than yours." what does that tell you about me? If I say I can hunt, like fishing, car races, word and number puzzles and will fight for what I believe in, what does that say about me or who I am? You said you "know" who the commenter is. Appears that you don't really because you are still phishing. How about this for a novel idea? There are more than one, two, or three intelligent people who comment and post here and think you are a sleezy lawyer. AND you are making that more apparent every time your comments are posted.

I'd like to try my psychic abilities on you.....Which Murtaugh female is posting using your name? Is it the one who can't fight her own battles alone..because she would lose in one-on-one combat, so to speak? Nah, I think it really is Salvatore Lanza because he is.....a sleezy lawyer.

Geez, I'm surprised you haven't chimed in before now. You've been talked about regarding representing Richard several times over the past several years. So tell us from your own mouth, was Richard and/or Gary's photos shown to witnesses before their arrests on May 25, 1994? I'm curious of your answer because I already know what the correct answer is!
Great Move Kicking Lanza To The curb
I wonder if he is still shagging that blond woman at the county clerks office. Heard she retired so Sal would have to have a new excuse to hook up.

Are you a Christian, sir?

Have you had your 15 minutes of fame, yet? I think you should keep opening your trap. At the very least, it is entertaining. But, if 'THEY' tell you to stop talking publicly, you should obey your master even though The Government has granted each and every one of us Freedom of Speech. But, I guess that rule changes when you are also bound by ethical and legal standards.? EX: slander or libelous- calling someone guilty who was found by a jury of their peers to be INNOCENT.

How far back have you actually read comments on this site? As a lawyer, being unbiased about your personal connections, what do you think about that which has been posted about Gary and Richard vs their connection to Heidi's disappearance?

In conclusion, thank you for chiming in about the Heidi Allen disappearance. I am overjoyed that you, or someone using your name, is inspired to publicly comment. Even if it is lies, because truth often can be determined among lies. I look forward to the times Murtaugh grows his set (or is it beer balls) to say something about the case. Now that's someone I would love to have a conversation with. Unfortunately, he can't back up his words even if what he says is true. Also, I dare you to get approval from Richard Thibodeau and make your file/notes of his representation public or give it to him!! You do still have them archived somewhere?

P.S. I will entertain other discussions in another post. Also, I want to apologize to anyone who has been retaliated against, regarding Gary/and or Heidi, because someone 'thought' these multitude of comments and legal postings about that issue was them.

BRAVO to the family of Tammy Mahoney for fighting for Justice for their loved one and the attention they bring to other missing people. No One's life deserves to be taken! Whether a CI, drug addict, innocent child, wife, husband, brother, sister, mother, father, other family member, professional, laborer or homemaker!

God Bless you all.!.

July 10/19


Reply to Sal...
All of this GT and HA commentary....it's done. What don't you understand? Why don't you understand? It's been brought to Court and appealed. You lost. A cover-up? What next...9 11 never happened?

You don't understand that a lot of people think some OCSD and the "3" were in it together. Look at all the signs and clues about JW giving them info, Roger's wife on a taped call, JW taped call etc.

How can you possibly NOT think there was a cover up?

They had enough info to go after other people but didn't..so obvious.

July 10/19



Better check out Oswego Speedway
I don't think this beam is holding too much look around. Light hit from limited super modified hit the front grandstand wall. Started the stands rocking. Look up look down but be sure to look all around.

July 7-9/19



Psycho Sally
Thank you so much for putting an end to the lies, and insane rants. The site will be even better for it. It would have been funny to watch the election process unfold though.lol

July 10/19

Re: Farnham
To the poster. Most of the clients at Farnham are court mandated to attend. They have to go wherever there's room. They don't have a choice where that is. Most of the clients also suffer from various mental health issues. Not everyone can afford to send their siblings out of town to a private rehab simply because they are ashamed and embarrassed by them.If you're who I think you are then you know exactly what I'm saying.My questions to you are: How'd your brother(s?) do in rehab and do you guys do "lead work"?I have a '49 Hudson that needs a little work and I don't pay for Bondo.
-the guy with the '49 Hudson-

July 10/19


Terrific Guys
I've always believed in, respected and defended the idea that everyone has a right to their opinion, but a couple of weeks ago, a good friend's daughter set new limits on my liberal thoughts on how much respect drumpkins deserve.
She has always been a pretty sharp young lady and as she progressed though college, I honestly believed that her thought processes had developed along an at least logical, thusly acceptable line as opposed to a cultist brain sink-hole.
We spoke a while and sure enough, she had been drumpified. Soooooo I mentioned a well known, proven fact about her orange skinned hero and her immediate response was a shouted, "FAKE NEWS!" Well needless to say THAT conversation came to an abrupt end. Within the next few days I made a point of seeing her at a social gathering and said in no uncertain terms that I had always given everyone their air, the right to their feelings, opinions, religion, political ilk, etc. but in her case I'd decided that rather than admit a simple proven fact and yelling "FAKE NEWS!" when something didn't jive w/ whatever she didn't want to hear and/or believe, she just spouted that brain-dead refrain and that in fact now she had degenerated into the realm of fucking morons! She actually was appalled when I called HER a fucking moron.
The point of this l'il rant is to preface the fact that my following notes, ALL proven & recorded facts and statements WILL be shrugged off by the drumpite morons as "FAKE NEWS".

----Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants. Mr.(choke) Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women.(Jesus H Christ! they were freaking kids) Trump said on the Howard Stern show that he was “allowed”, as the owner of the pageant, to go backstage while the contestants were getting dressed. OH YEAH...some of these 'contestants' were 14 and 15 years old, freshmen and sophomores in high school. Hey daddy and grandpa trumpkins... IS THAT "FAKE NEWS!". How would YOU feel if that was YOUR little girl or grand daughter?
Drumphs own words... “You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK?" I'd ask, "And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”
One of the girls said, “He just came strolling right in. There was not a second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”---
The picture is of that creep drumpf and his then pal Jeffrey Epstein. He now says that although he knew him, he didn't agree with him. BUT!!!!!!!
In 2002 he said, and this was a quote, before he had coined the term "FAKE NEWS"
“‘I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.’ - Donald Trump, 2002”. The quote is from a 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein.
I'm sure the orange idiot thought the "younger side" was a good idea.
He's a creep!

39 Years
Lanza claims to have been married 39 years to the same woman but when he says it it sounds like a life sentence.

July 10/19






Today's Quote July 7-9/2019

Sports do not build character. They reveal it.
Heywood Broun

“Look at it subjectively and not objectively”. I believe you meant that to be the other way around; look up the meanings. However, maybe not. –

S. Sotomayor

July 7-9/19


What's in a name?
Once upon a time a local Lawyer in his circle of Good Ole Boys, found that our D.A and the local gang known as Oswego County Sheriffs have had great concern with information being submitted by someone here, these postings are from someone with an inside track to this club. This information is touching way to close to home, when Mr. Wonderful Lawyer man began posting here it was to loosen some information, how? ONLY COWARDS SUBMIT WITH NO NAME, nice try Sallieboy, but as I said your a blind Lawyer and not yet quite that good. The early Oswegonylion polls show your already behind and there's no else running! The Good ole boys need a name, they have checked everyone they thought it could be or did they?

July 7-9/19


177 East 2nd Street
This morning around 8:45 I heard a commotion and saw two individuals in a verbal/physical confrontation. One of the guys was driving a truck and another from 177 East 2nd Street was screaming at him. The guy gets out of the truck to confront the Mollie Walker who of course talks shit but won't do anything. He takes a picture of the license plate then scurries away to avoid getting his ass kicked as he is alone. When the truck leaves he then calls his buddies and starts bragging how he is gonna break this guys jaw blah blah blah. Wonder why he didn't when he had the chance??? So I start wondering why Fred and Tom (slumlords) have done nothing to correct a growing problem. I sign onto the real property tax website to do a little snooping. I look up all their other properties. It becomes so much clearer now that I am able to actually see all the other SH*T HOLES they own. It's no wonder they don't care about 177 East 2nd Street because I would assume by the looks of their other properties it is just the same old same old at all of them. They are making a killing off of HUD and MOLLY HOUSING!!!! This city will not clean up until the Slumlords are held accountable for the trash they rent to. I thought there was a law stating how many non related people can share an apartment. There are at least 20-30 bedding down in 1 apartment at 177 east 2nd street....... I do want to give a big SHOUT OUT to OPD who have made their presence known. They are up and down the street all day. Unfortunately it hasn't helped a whole lot. Same guy who was scared to fight this morning was also up and down the street taking pictures of neighbors houses and cars. Time for more security cameras to be installed today I guess.

July 7-9/19


My can't social media be brutal, I think you had better luck with your CB radio! Just because your allowed to play on both sides of the fence that you'll always be accepted there. These people here are not your regular red necks or as dumb as you think!

July 7-9/19


RE. the van.
Yept that's what I would do to. Rent a spot at harbor flop and display the van. Even at at a buck a head to look inside it you could make a killing! People would be lined up across the bridge just to look inside it. I would also have Richard there wearing a tee shirt that had just call me lucky on the front of it.

July 7-9/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After all the lies and actions that make me believe this was a cover up remember this:

R. Todd..Sheriff: " back in those days we didn't have a system for Confidential Informants." Or something to this affect.

Really! Then why is there a card with Heidi Allen, Julie Roberts and contact info etc? Was it made to be dropped and found to get the word out about HA maybe turning in some "big" people? And the fact that one Deputy said he was in charge of the CI program ( the same one Todd said didn't exist ) and he personally signed Heidi Allen into the CI program.

This has so many holes, mistakes and stupid actions by the OCSD that I can't help but to believe some are guilty.

Thank you Judge King for letting me off the stand when I was nervous and/or upset.. Is this a reason to let a witness off from a trial?
...and was Lisa given an opportunity to call MB again?

10 witnesses all unreliable..lol.



July 7-9/19

Buddy Broadwell and his Captain's Club
Buddy you really need to take a closer look at the Captain's Club, it's gone way downhill. Here are some reasons why :

-the manger and the workers do not do their job

-the club is filthy

-75% of the members do not log in

-anyone who has ever worked there gets in for free

-member guest passes are used everyday for the same people so why get a membership ?

-guest passes and waivers are rarely recorded

-people bring in boom boxes to play their own music loud without any respect to who else is in the gym

-same music consists of f-bombs and the "n" word

-people are working out without shirts on and getting on the equipment, then they never wipe down the equipment (that's a health hazard)

-the steam room and sauna smell like urine from people pissing in there

-the locker rooms are always filthy and smell because everyone is allowed to just walk in there and make a mess

-people throwing the weights on the floor (Buddy your carpets are all torn up because of this and the dumbbells were being broken)

Buddy you should be embarrassed about what goes on at the health club, your workers sit on their fat asses and do nothing because they're afraid and lazy. If they would stop letting all their buddies in for free you wouldn't have to raise the membership prices. Most of the equipment has been there since you opened the hotel and the hot tub, sauna, steam room and pool are always broken. You can tell your wife to stop with new uniforms for the workers, it's like putting lip stick on a pig. It's still a pig, not a pleasant first impression when you visit the club. I hope this really lights a fire under your ass to do something about the health club.

If you ever want to discuss these issues make yourself available or leave your cell number at the desk so members can contact you directly

July 7-9/19


Trump makes series of false claims in two-day New York tweetstorm


July 7-9/19

This company city hiring monday night for some job.


July 7-9/19

O'h Sal
This is the issue with you. You kiss ass where ever it's convenient politically for you. You do not have the gutts to run for DA because then you'll have to butt heads with the Republican party. You do not have the balls to take on the Gary Thibodeau case and at this point its best with your friendship with Murtagh you are never near it. As far as your stupidity on your Facebook with running your mouth along with Murtagh about Gary and couldn't pin point the lies he spewed on your wall and you went along with it. Yes you looked like an idiot. Do us a favor don't run for DA, that county needs someone who doesn't OBEY, who isn't afraid of who's political toes they step on. We don't need an ass kisser, fence walker...just stop. Did you look like a fool. Yes you did because you walked right in to the lies fed to you. Yet, you still believe Murtagh had nothing to do with Heidi Allen. Lmao if he lies that bad openly on your Facebook imagine what he's lied about to the Sheriffs. Smh..grow up Sal, stop being a fence walker, grow some balls, figure out which side you are really on

July 7-9/19


Blue wall poster
Here's the key with you. You can make up all you wish about the FBI, claim Hilton's to obey. Until you post proof should anyone believe a word you say. Post proof or stop with your fantasies.

July 7-9/19


Dodd, Todd, good ol boys
Would it not have been smarter to leave Heidi's case a cold case? Instead of this assinin made up ludicrous lies you spewed on the Thibodeau family. To cover up for incompetence of a few shit ass officers? You wonder why the public's ripping you apart. They will continue to. Now the right and moral thing to do is to exonerate and clear Gary's name until you can do a proper investigation. Who's gonna sue you, no one, Gary's gone and so is his wife. Exonerate Gary dead or alive. Leave the Allen case open in hopes she can some day have real justice. That's too easy, the moral road none of you seem to walk on, you never have and you never will. But there is a pretty place in hell for all of you that roads laid out and has been the day you sent an innocent man to prison for your corrupt asses. That's where you belong.

July 7-9/19


I applaud you
Tammy Mahoney family. Standing ovation. Big time, powerful, moving and motivated. They do not care which political persons career is on the line, they are out for the truth. Their face book alone is true to Tammy. Everything is pushing for truth for not only Tammy but they are noticing the many missing people in the upstate area. They have spread information about so many families. They are bringing attention very quickly to their case and hoping to bring awareness for the other families with missing loved ones. The family wants the real suspects in custody, they want the real perpetrators and only them. Very brave and brilliant on how they are tackling Tammys case, all they are doing is being honest. But it's working.

July 7-9/19


I am writing this as a hard working tax payer that has been fortunate enough to lead by example. My parents both worked to support six children and did not collect one dime from the state or federal government including unemployment. I know the drug concern in this County unbelievable but it doesn't make it right for organizations to make huge profits or waste tax payers dollars. I read an article that Farnham was granted $1.5 million dollars October 2018. I would like to see how this money is being used. I would also like to know why each County has a different set of rules on their programs. These programs are funded by the State and Federal government which is "the hard working tax payer." Why I bring this up makes me furious.I had to wait a week to calm down before I posted this. Some Oswego County Residents don't fit the Farnham program so they take a cab to a facility that will except them. Who pays the taxi bill? Yes, again the taxpayer. You do the math, how many thousands of dollars are wasted in transportation because they don't fit their program? Taking a taxi six days a week,to and from a facility is unbelievable.
That's why Farnham is here and don't worry I already called the Attorney General and the Senator who helped get the Grant money to investigate. All rules should be the same accross the state of New York." Oh I forgot I am in Oswego County".

July 7-9/19


The sniveling little cowards on this site.
I now know all of the players on this site who have bashed me for no reason whatsoever. I know who you are. You are so frightened...scared of life....scared of what the next day brings....go take your anti-depressant and crawl under a rock.

Nope...I will use LION just like Trump uses Twitter. I don't care if you don't like it.

Gossip????? What's happening politically? Well, I think the new Administrative Judge for our district will be Hon Jim Murphy. An outstanding jurist. A great selection!

Now that Tom B has won the primary....who will be chosen to fill his seat as Court Attorney Referee? Any guesses?? The job pays about 155,000/yr. Comes with benefits. Lawyers are lining up.....

Who will the County Republicans choose as their candidate to fill Judge Todd's seat? It's next year.....C'mon, you must know by now.

You know...there is other gossip to report other than GT and HA....important gossip that needs to be out there for discussion.

Will Greg Oakes try to run for Todd's seat next yr or Hafner's seat in 2 yrs?

Is it important for a candidate to be in all of the parades....do parades guarantee victory in an election??? What about yard signs????Do signs cause people to vote???

What about advertising on the internet????? Is that important in a race?????

Is it time for Oswego Country to have a female County Court Judge?

Finally, does negative advertising work???? Should a candidate throw mud at his opponent and do you approve of it?

Let's spice up the conversation on LION.

Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19


What a bunch of weaklings that hang on this web site.
No one signs their name. Everyone is frightened. I have no use for people like you. So scared.....fear of what could happen....go to your basement and hide. You are right....I don't hang with people like you.

All of this GT and HA commentary....it's done. What don't you understand? Why don't you understand? It's been brought to Court and appealed. You lost. A cover-up? What next...9 11 never happened?

Yes, I am going to run for District Attorney. I predict Gregg Oakes will throw his hat into the County Court race. That will happen in the next 1 or 2 years. Doesn't matter...the party likes another individual for the position and it AIN'T GREGG. I know I will win the position. Look at how many people voted this year...14%. All those parades mean squat. Fact is...nobody votes.

I'm a no nonsense guy. That's how I will approach the office. It sure pays well too. $4,000/week is nothing to sneeze at. So, yes, I am interested.

And I won't convene a special grand jury to look into the HA case. Too much time has passed. The 3 stooges and others have all kept their mouths shut. I'm not going to waste anymore taxpayer resources. The case is done

You all know I'm a good lawyer. I enjoy going to court and watching the other side shudder and shake. I lie here awake at night just thinking how I'm going to ruin folks like you in court. I believe in karma.

I have been winning most or all of my cases. I just haven't won the murder cases. Must be the police did a good job collecting the evidence. Remember, you aren't going to win at the trial level. You win on appeal in Rochester.

You will be seeing me more on this site. I never came to this site until recently. I enjoy posting my views. I know that deep down inside you love me. You really do. Lol. Goodnight you bunch of weaklings.

Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19


Your boring site
This site is sooooo slow. Why does it take centuries for you to post? You have lost my interest. So long you bunch of sniveling cowards.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19


The Cowards on this site
So you say that hunting and snowmobiling is enjoyed by certain types of people who are not good people????? Well count me in with that crowd. I love snowmobiling and I have been an officer of the Mexico Trailriders for the last 10 years. Before our paths went different ways due to a falling out I hung around with Ron 24/7. I learned some things about his methods. The rest is behind me. I wouldn't believe one syllable that came from his mouth. When I saw the defense called him to the stand, I knew the defense was compromised. I changed my opinion. I knew I had been lied to.

I love the people of this County. They are going to love me even more when I'm District Attorney. I'm coming.....Get ready......Get used to it.
Salvatore Lanza, Esq

July 7-9/19


Very slow to post news
I think I have figured out this site. You post your gossip and then the administrator of the website reviews the post every morning and determines subjectively which post we'll make the page. The postings are only done once a day. That's just way too slow for my taste
I can tell by the individual who is making comments against me there. It is a woman and she has excellent punctuation. She is obviously college-educated. She may even be a former editor or news reporter. I will look at her written post again and make further observations.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19

This site is sooooo slow.

Why does it take centuries for you to post? You have lost my interest. So long you bunch of sniveling cowards.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19



Observations From The Lanza Posts

1- You know how this site works. You have been reading it for a good ten years and have posted several times in the past under the name legalpad.

2- You are such a great lawyer and have such a great practice you need to supplement it by running for public office?

3- A year ago you were telling everyone you would run against Oaks this time around. Now it is sit and wait for him to move on to something else. What happened no balls?

4- You are “a no nonsense guy”. No you are a total bullshit guy.

5- “You will be seeing me more on this site. I never came to this site until recently. I enjoy posting my views. I know that deep down inside you love me.” “I will use LION just like Trump uses Twitter.”

You are a lying sack of sh!t.

You are not going to use this site for free advertising or ranting like that serial sexual predator Donald Trump.

How do I know this because you are all done here. 
I don't care if you don't like it. I seriously suggest you reach out to some professional that deals with bipolar disorders.

addio pazzo





Today's Quote July 6/2019

Fortune always favors the brave, and never helps a man who does not help himself.
P. T. Barnum

you DON'T take medical malpractice because your sister is a doctor.
I'm sure the local and regional newspaper would be more than happy to take your advertisements. They don't belong here, more over, here, we know the truth, and laugh.
District attorney? 😂😂😂😂😂
As to deer hunting with witnesses.....I bet you do, you always hang with that type. Decent folks stay away from you.

July 6/19


Looking into the future of Oswego politics
We all know that next year will be a big political race (2020), President, state senator, state assembly, etc. The local race that will capture a lot of attention will be County Court because Judge Todd has indicated he will not seek another 10 year term. Look for Gregg Oakes to run for the County Court seat either next year or in 2 years when Judge Hafner retires (age 70 by law). That’s when I will announce my run for District Attorney.
Salvatore F. Lanza Esq

July 6/19

Cowards who write anonymous posts...reply to Sal
I really don't understand your thinking....GT case.

Look at it subjectively and not objectively.

We all know the things the OCSD did not do in this case. It's full of holes, lies and back turning on certain issues and clues.

Did the Matt M. doc. ring a bell for you?
You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Ex.: Bivens changing his mind 3 times on the color of the van...why? Was he done a favor? Did MB talk to him after he got a DWI fax? And who in the hell gets a DWI fax from the DA's file...what's that tell you? MB was given this to persuade Bivens to change his story about the color of the van..one hand washes the other.

Neighbors at the Airport: we watched as county issued cars entered the airport at 3-4 AM a lot of the time...why? I was told by someone back then that coke was coming in from the airport...

Why was the FBI denied access to this case, a case that still has not been solved.

Why no line up?

Ahy let JW walk after all the info she gave them and they never followed up or pressed for more....hmmmm. Why Sal as a lawyer would you not think these and other things were suspicious.

Not meant to attack you but: what year did your friend you hunted with know something but never mentioned it to you? Was it before 2014 and now when we are getting more info?

Didn't the fact that 3 witnesses said the van was blue? Then changed their minds. Why? Did the OCSD persuade them to. Why didn't the OCSD listen to the guy who told them he saw a blue van speeding and do a u-turn?

You must be blind sided by the fact that the law and lawyers need proof but sometimes questions lead to that.
Judge King was brought in to stop any appeal...very obvious. Why would 10 ppl who heard the "3" say they got Heidi say they were unreliable? Where is the proof that you lawyers need to prove they were unreliable? THERE ISN'T ANY!

This inv. by the OCSD is a joke and a cover up.

True story: a guy told someone I know wouldn't lie that back then the OCSD stopped him, found coke in his car, took the coke and let him go.

Would you have used the fact that Bivens said they were as tall as Heidi and husky? RT is short, GT was medium ( no one I would back down from ) would you have made Bivens seem unreliable about this?

His time he said was 8-8:30...impossible.

Sal don't lawyers need proof to win cases? So where is any proof that the bros. did this especially when Swenkowski left the same time RT did from the store but did not see a kidnapping. Bivens however did see a kidnapping...how can this be? If Swenkowski saw RT then he should have seen a kidnapping...unless Bivens made up the whole story? As a lawyer what does your education tell you about this very weak case?

It can only be if there is a cover up by the OCSD and others because Bivens said.." van was blue." Right make but not the right color.

And finally: did you pay attention to Dodd's reaction after Matt told him a boy saw a cop shoot Heidi? Only a grunt..not any answer. Matt let him off the hook by not waiting for an answer from him.

Did the question the OCSD inv. asked Jenn in the car what she felt like after answering questions about Heidi? or similar statement.



I read a statement you said about this case, if I can find it I will post it.




July 6/19


Sal the self promoter
Sal, please stop using the lion for your free advertising. IF you are as good as u claim
you should not need to advertise. If you need to, at least pay for it as do the rest of your peers. By the way, thanks for the heads up on your politcal plans, this is going to be great.
ha m

July 6/19


First to address your dislike for those who choose not to use their name, It would bother someone like you not to have a name to work with, it takes away all your little fear tactics and does not allow you any way to dig dirt, or in your game, material to discredit making you in the Old Country a cecu avvucatu, a blind lawyer!. You have used this site to advertise your most awesome services, How ever your hypothesis that your the best Lawyer in N.Y is supported only by very weak premises. And out here in public, justice does not end with such a corrupt trial, in AMERICA we the people will decide when to stop our seeking Justice for Gary and Heidi!!! P.S do your advertising somewhere else I think most have heard enough from you.

July 6/19


Reply to Sal
Lastly, I don’t want to hear anymore about GT and Heidi Allen. The case is done and a jury has spoken. The case was reviewed by Judge King and denied relief. Everything else is pure speculation.

This case is far from done. If Matt M. didn't dig up more hidden evidence, ( is NOT speculation ) then it may be done.

Taped phone calls about bodies, Heidi, drugs etc.

Judge King tried to make it all go away. I agree with Lisa, an appeal should have been won by the defense. The appeals court said the evidence was too great.....what evidence? Finger prints, DNA, body found, dropped in MA, eye witness to seeing GT kidnap her, evidence found on the bros. land, house cars?


I'd love to argue this with you, just you and me but I know it will be taped and videoed. This puts my life in jeopardy...possibly. I am not afraid to fight but if I don't know who is coming I can't defend myself. Tonya got death threats in 2014. Tell me who sent them? Did GT....nope. Then this must mean the real killers and the people who helped cover it up are still out there. Did the OCSD try to get the phone records? NOPE!

Did they ask for a lineup? ...NOPE!

Did they ask the "3's" neighbors if they saw them leave early that morning?...NOPE!
Did they inv the fax to MB?...NOPE!
Did they ask JW about the 2nd van after she said.." after 20 years I still have to tell you there was a 2nd van." NOPE! Because they KNEW there was a 2nd van.

Did they inv. the time and clock at the store and how Stinson says he was there at 7:41 am but didn't see anything. But Bivens did. If Stinson didn't see anything then that has to make RT & GT not guilty and Bivens made up the whole story..( this is what I thought when I first read it ).
I doubt he was even there and his time was 8-8:30 am????? His time he said he left his house and then got to the D&W doesn't make sense. Left at 7:30am got there between 8-8:30 am? But he did mention a BLUE VAN so maybe I am wrong about his story. Check the Statement of Facts where they question Bivens, his time of being there isn't even mentioned or asked about by the OCSD.

Did they inv. the guy who said MB had a white van the he just got repaired and this person said he borrowed it to junk with...NOPE!
The DMV could have proven this is 5 minutes. Did they go to the DMV?.....NOPE!

Did they follow GT when Oakes said he took the body to MA to dump it...NOPE! GT was watched as testimony by 2 deputies and didn't go anywhere far. If he did, wouldn't they have followed him? Come on Sal any law official would have followed him. Still think there wasn't a cover up?

Ten witnesses to the "3" saying they killed her and King said they are not credible because all the stories were a little different. No kidding King, 10 different times. and why weren't they credible?

It took the OCSD 4 months to get the original cash register tape for the day of the crime...4 months!!!! That should have been the first thing they took as evidence.

It took them 6 months to get a picture of James Steen to show Pierce

They just solved a murder case from 1984, nothing is over unless it is being covered up.

Who was the guy in court in 2014 that said.." who do you think you're kidding Oswego." FBI?

If you really believe that it's over because of the jury then why do you appeal cases and tell of how you reversed them? How many has the Innocence Project got released after a failed appeal. I would like to ask the Appeal Court that said too much evidence to over turn...tell me the evidence because I don't see any and neither did RT's jury.

Appeal is part of your duty as a lawyer and you have used it. Many have appealed but got off from the Innocence Project.

I would ask you and everyone to watch on Youtube: "Johnnie Frank Garret" or may be titled...."The Last Word". A lawyer said a judge can get you convicted 100 different ways. They executed an innocent kid and the real killer confessed.



And finally why is it that a lot of the public following this case believe there was a cover up as to who really killed her? Too many things were Mickey Moused and easily proven to be false.


July 6/19


Running for D.A
You may have the perfect qualifications for D.A, not for what you can see, but rather what you are willing not to see. Good Luck!

July 6/19


Old City
Hey Larry, if you want people to come to Old City get your A/C fixed. Quit blaming the city for your failures when you can’t even make those who do choose to patronize you comfortable. And the new park looks fantastic by the way.

July 6/19


Funding authorized for armed sheriff's officers in schools.
Endless opportunities to recruit confidential informants.
Oh, dear Lord, Barney Phyfe on the loose.


July 6/19







Today's Quote July 5/2019

“I wake up in the morning, I don’t know what’s going to happen to me that day.

That, I think, is part of the intensity of my advocacy, because it better be f***ing worth it.”
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

What's creepy
Is that you know what their neighbors are doing. Let me ask you, when does everyone else's problems become yours? The answer is they don't. So let me know when everyone else's problems became Richard Thibodeau's.

July 4-5/19


Jackass poster
Who wants to pool our money together bet on who we all think the odd ball poster actually is. My money its Murtagh he has a certain slang lingo when he types he's often adding words like now or just my opinion. He's often lying and telling tall tales many of them are directing lies on the Thibodeau family, everyone debunks immediately. He's been all over online making up stories, many times. Often he's slapped back with facts or called out by the public. But bless his twisted heart he never gives up. He in all honesty, deserves the douch bag award because John 3:16 He truly believes, another Murtagh moto.

July 4-5/19


Ocasio-Cortez Unloads On Kellyanne Conway In Border Bill Tweetstorm

Kellyanne Conway is an anemic republican slut and not worthy of responding to on Twitter or any where else.

July 4-5/19


Rush Limbaugh Suggests Drinking Toilet Water Is 'A Step Up


Not a surprising comment from a fat slob who sucks d**k. Before his radio career got started he worked as a hat check girll in the men,s room at the Grey Hound bus station in St. Louis.

July 4-5/19


Re: Hilton can do nothing
Wouldn’t it have been a Lot easier for Dodd to have gone to Bivens to give him his DWI deal by telling him he REALLY didn’t see anyone kidnapping Heidi…that he was mistaken of what he saw? Instead of making the New Haven community, and beyond, in chaos as it was right after the disappearance.

Their ‘secret’ would have been safe, an innocent man wouldn’t have suffered a price for something he didn’t do and the community wouldn’t have been in FEAR. Who’s lame brain idea was it to spread that she is probably in witness protection? What a conspiracy theory if I ever heard one. Aren’t conspiracy theories supposed to have some basis in FACT?

Heidi is missing and the family should be pushing, pushing, pushing for the answer for themselves and the community who has so graciously sympathized with them over the years. It’s called multi-tasking, fighting for your loved one and living your life. They don’t have to be exclusive. Look to the family of Tammy Mahoney….now that’s fighting for your loved one.

July 4-5/19


Cowards who write anonymous posts
Anyone who writes a post anonymously on this site is nothing more than a sniveling little coward. In Sicilian, we call these people, “gli scugniti”. That means they are nothing more than a mosquito…a nothing.

I’ve already told you that I consider myself to be the best lawyer in Central New York. That is my opinion. If my clients go to jail, I know I tried my best to keep them out. At my office, you will receive professionalism, courtesy, integrity and respect.

Look at the cases that I handled that went up on appeal and were overturned. Remember, tough cases are won on appeal in Rochester.

I handle hard cases. I don’t take every case.

If you are in trouble, give my office a call. It doesn’t hurt to talk to me.

Lastly, I don’t want to hear anymore about GT and Heidi Allen. The case is done and a jury has spoken. The case was reviewed by Judge King and denied relief. Everything else is pure speculation. I must say that the key point that swayed my original opinion is when the defense called a certain individual to testify. I knew this person and I can say with certainty that when we snowmobiled or hunted deer etc, he never once mentioned any of the individuals who were brought up as possible suspects.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 4-5/19


The U.S. Is ‘Headed To Fascism


July 4-5/19

The blue wall
What's outrageous about your post is the idea those in power are incapable of great things. Badge doesn't give you honor or integrity. Many officers are loosing their lives due to bad officers. The good ones need to start making moves to combat the idea the blue wall is above the law. No one is. No One should ever be. We are all human. The bad officers are giving the good ones a bad name. If they support the idea of a blue wall. They support corruption. Maybe that's what Bohrer means about which ones are bad and good. Because that idea represents they are just as bad as each other if they can't do their job and create justice. A murderer is a murderer and protecting one simply because he was a former officer is ridiculous. If this were the case every where the Green River killer should also have been left alone. It's not the FBI, it's not Hilton its the mentality of those in OZ that would have no dignity, integrity or balls to do what's right to save face for one or two or even three corrupt officials because across the country many officers have been brought down. Why? Because of officers with integrity. If they really had any they'd do their job.

July 4-5/19








Obey like Hilton's a dog. Please they better hope they don't have a rebel as a Sheriff because if they do, obeying won't be their problem. So much for standing tall. My gutt says Hilton obeys no one. If he doesn't Obey. He will indeed be voted back in. The public supports him or he wouldn't be the Sheriff. Now if he doesn't do anything he's teetering on losing the next election. So Hilton by the prior posters beliefs you are to do as you are told, let the criminals run the county, as they always have . I'm pretty sure that's not why he ran for office. The officer's involved in Heidi's are not police officers just criminals wearing a badge. How could the blue wall ever be proud of that?

July 4-5/19


How Extreme Heat Overwhelms Your Body and Becomes Deadly

July 4-5/19

Running for District Attorney
I have decided that I will be running for District Attorney in another 4 years. I will wait for Gregg Oakes to finish out his term of office. I want everyone to know well ahead of time of my intentions. For now, I will continue to practice as a sole practitioner. If you need my help, please call my office. I'll get you in to see me immediately. Honesty, Integrity, Commitment.
Salvatore Lanza, Esq.

July 4-5/19


Your negative comments from the anonymous cowards
I handle many different areas of the law..... Bankruptcy, Family Court, divorce, wills and estates, criminal matters, DWI, business law and corporate law,real property matters and real property closings. I handle all aspects of litigation in Supreme Court. I also handle appeals to the appellate division.

I do not handle medical malpractice or personal injury cases in my office. They are very expensive to bring to court and they require the retainer of experts which can be very costly. Those cases I refer to larger firms in Syracuse. I don't handle medical or dental malpractice. I don't handle workers compensation matters. All of these cases are such that you really need to hire someone in Syracuse whose practice is solely limited to that field of law. I also don't handle Social Security disability.

It doesn't hurt to call my office and set up an appointment. I will tell you if you have a case or not in my opinion. Give my office a call if you have any questions.

Salvatore Lanza Esq.

July 4-5/19




Today's Quote July 3/2019

The very essence of instinct is that it's followed independently of reason.
Charles Darwin

Court suspends license of ex-DA
Mary Rain learned her trade from none other than Donald Dodd. Plant corn get corn.


July 3/19

Slumlord Arrested
He is the owner of the dump at 202 E. fifth St., which the code enforcement department has deemed unlawful to occupy and is allowing little children to reside there. How great the Code Enforcement department is.......pure unadulterated BS. Here’s a novel idea, do your job!


July 3/19

Hilton can do nothing!

Our new top Cop can not do anything related to the Heidi Allen case, This case was investigated by the F.B.I. what they found can never be made public and Mr. Hilton will follow his orders to leave this case alone. Those who were responsible for Heidi's abduction are ABOVE the LAW and the blue wall will stand united, right or wrong. Mr. Hilton will not and can not even comment on this case. we can only vote, this position is controlled and protected, if Mr. Hilton wants to keep that desk he will obey!

July 3/19


Term limit extension proposal riles some legislators


July 3/19


The Cult of Lucifer

Lucifer thought himself more beautiful than God, the first malignant narcissist. Lucifer thought his kind was superior, the first racial supremacist.
Jesus was not a white man. Lucifer most probably was.
The devil owns this planet,always has. Now you know which side is which.

Trump is a disciple of Satan who calls for his arrival. His actions are intended to ignite the world to Armageddon much to the delight of too many evangelicals. Man can not know the time of God's return yet they base religions on claiming to know. All is blasphemy.

July 3/19






Today's Quote July 1-2/2019

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. Mark Twain
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/mark_twain

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain

Salvatore Lanza And 2-4 Joe Pagano
These two are the laughing stock of every courtroom within a fifty mile radius. Lanza is famous for not telling clients when their court dates are. When the judge issues a bench warrant the cops haul them out of their homes in handcuffs. How many of your clients have you done this to Lanza? Go ahead and take off your shoes and sox. We can wait while you count them.

Pagano got his nickname “2-4 Joe” from the District Attorney’s Office. Almost all his clients are court appointed and he typically pleads them out 2-4 years in jail.
If it weren’t for Cieszeski and Sugar these bums would be at the absolute bottom of the legal barrel.

July 1-2/19


Re: Heidi Allen case
Lisa, is that you? Or is it Martha? How does it feel knowing you helped send an innocent man to prison, all to defend the

 “family name.”

July 1-2/19


Motorcycle Fatality On Rt. 104 Oswego
Why has the female driver, that crossed the oncoming traffic lane without yielding, resulting in a motorcyclist's death, never been identified in the local press AND issued a ticket for 'failure to yield the right of way'?
To read the news reports, the accident was due to the cyclist's (excessive) speed acceleration. People behind the rider reported that as the light had changed in the 'highway traffic's favor', he had just changed to second gear, indeed accelerating to the posted 40 mph limit.
She prematurely turned and crossed traffic to enter a business on the south side of 104, failing to wait for the cyclist and the rest of oncoming traffic. Her ECLIPSE(NOT a bue honda crv) was struck by the bike on the passenger side.
My main question is, why hasn't her name been reported in the press and why hasn't she been issued a ticket?
IF I am wrong and the public HAS been notified of these facts, would someone please state the facts on this site?

July 1-2/19


Re: "Richard got off some how"

Let me break it down for you.

Bivens police signed statements indicate the 2 guys about as tall as Heidi were seen leading/taking her to a blue van. Later, after being shown several photos and a drive by of his van claims "that's the one".

Richard reported being at the store and making a purchase, in his Black and White van.

Bivens testifies that the man walking from the van had a limp. Now, where does that say in his statements? Logically, if you can, that means Richard was the one (supposedly) holding Heidi. Let's review facts about Richard, and you can see for yourself in police notes that are public via Greg's filing for the Hearing. Richard is 5'4", 5'5". How tall is Heidi? Oh wait, that's in police notes that are public too. Heidi is 5"10, '511. How can Richard possibly be the one holding Heidi if, as Bivens testified, the men were as tall as she?

Next, let's examine Richard's van.

First, it is clearly Black and White. Bivens, as an expert according to the ADA because he worked in an auto parts store, claims in police statements that the stripe looked to be painted on. Fact, it isn't unusual to see a van with the stripe as Bivens claims to ONLY be attributed to Richards van. I could post at least one other right now that is rustly AND has a stripe as Richards.
Second, examine the complete absence of Heidi's DNA in Richards van. A witness claims to have seen the van driving erratically away from the store, heading east on 104, appearing to be struggling with something in the back. You've seen pictures of the van from the April 9, 1994 search, right? The police, via Gary's trial transcript, describe the inside as being "messy". How do you explain no DNA of Heidi, then, if she was struggling in the back? You do know that it was on approximately April 28, 1994, during FBI surveillance, that Richards van was seen at a car wash? You do know that the van was inspected again by police after that incident? You do know that a piece of carpet was missing? You do know that police retrieved the carpet piece (thank goodness they gave them a receipt), matched it to the area removed from the van and found CANINE DNA on it? You do know that was testified to, in Gary's trial, by a police witness and a character witness for Richard?

Now, let's examine Richard and Gary's alibi's.
First, Richard had character witness testify, in Gary's trial, timeline of events of his movements the morning of April 3, 1994. Noting one in particular who was totally disinterested who claims to have heard Richards van go by his property heading west on 104 at approximately 7:00am and heading back east "less than a half hour" later. This begs the question, HOW CAN THE transaction record be accurate if his purchase was at 7:42am? Just disregard this witness? Yeah, because he was testifying for the Defense. (Speaking of transaction record, how could the register turn on be at 4:06am if Heidi didn't get to the store until 5:00am before resetting for DST?)
Second, Gary had an alibi that testified he was home the morning of April 3, 1994 and was woken by Richards phone call from a relative's where he was for Easter dinner. That alibi witness was falsely charged with perjury, Before Gary's trial, for lying about her whereabouts on April 3, 4, 5 and for saying Gary was home the morning of April 3, 1994. You do know that the charge of being out of town on April 3,4,5 was DISMISSED because there are several witnesses that saw her in Oswego during those days? You also know that she was ACQUITTED, in a front of a jury of her peers, for lying about Gary's whereabouts? Gary's jurors didn't have the benefit of reading THAT in the papers before his trial.

Now, let's examine the theory about what happened to Heidi AFTER she was kidnapped.
First, the prosecution contends, via "coached" witnesses, that Heidi was taken to Gary's, dismembered (with an army fold-up type shovel?) and burned in his outdoor burn pit (right in his front yard, no less) and buried on his property. You do know there were 2 searches of Gary's property? One in June 1994 and another in July 1994. Both times, Gary was incarcerated. You do know that the furnace was confiscated and samples taken? You do know the police set up property grids to search his property? You do know that the State Police used cadaver dogs to aid searching? You do know that soot piles/dirt piles were sampled? You do know what the FBI analysis revealed? From the Smithsonian report posted here before "no morphological details that suggest human origin" from the furnace. Negative dog indications or alerts. Negative human remains found on his property. The "army fold-up shovel wasn't even confiscated from Gary or Richards properties, including homes and vehicles. Information about that has also been posted here before.

That's three strikes ADA. You're out! Gary should have been ACQUITTED too!

There's more....

Let's examine this "confession" that Dodd claims Gary made to the inmates. Again, look publicly to the police notes Greg filed for the Hearing. Geez, it's all right there in black and white for you to read for yourself instead of asking others what they think or believe. You could have even taken some time and gone to the Oswego County CLerk's Office to read Gary's transcript yourself. NO WHERE did the inmates claim Gary told them he committed the crime. They claim that Gary knew a lot about it so he must be guilty. Do you remember weeks and weeks of this case being in the news? You also know that Gary was actively being investigated while he was in MA? Why wouldn't he know "things" about this case? Community members/Heidi's family and law enforcement were ALL commenting and being featured in news articles. You must have missed the inmates' testimony of where they admitted to eavesdropping on Gary's phone conversations and then asking him questions about what they heard. That was also in trial testimony. But you, nor anyone who only has partial Facts from word of mouth, would KNOW that unless you were unbiasedly listening to testimony or read the transcript.

Have I covered everything? In simpleton terms, Gary's conviction did not fit the verdict. He should have been given a new trial on what the prosecution withheld, at the very least. Personally, he should have been exonerated. Sidenote: interesting how the prosecution wants to keep their informants confidential yet Greg files a police affidavit naming another CI besides Heidi. I even have wondered if Bohrer was working in that capacity then with the "private investigation" with a Sheriff's wife and yelling down the street that he knew what happened to Heidi and to ask Bobby Wheeler. CI is a wide cloak for OCDA when useful!

Praying that Hilton does something with the information and connections that have been made evident to hold accountable those who covered up/were involved with Heidi's disappearance.


July 1-2/19


Reply to Heidi Allen Case 6/29.
If you paid attention you can see how the OCSD disregarded info from JW, man seeing a blue van do a u-turn, Roger's wife phone call on the Matt M. document.

And a host of other things like hiding evidence...the 3 yr.old boy's story.

The Thibodeau's are innocent..." they brought her to my house in a white van and wouldn't even let her come in the house"..JW...again just ignored after getting that info.

A ph****** 12 yr.old could have solved this case.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO let's hope the FBI gets involved and then we'll see after people start turning states evidence to save themselves what the truth really is.

I agree that some postings are BS, but the brothers did not do this. Remember Dodd said Gary confessed, and now Baldasaro is saying he never did confess to him....Dodd has a bad memory when it suits him.

Cover up...tic toc tic toc

July 1-2/19


Family Court Judge
Now Luann Coleman's team is blaming her loss on her taking the high road? I don't think she knows where that road is. And it's the fault of the campaign manager?Last time she lost by a landslide to Jim Eby it was the fault that she ran as a Democrat so she even swapped parties. When will they admit it's because she is offensive and unprofessional and alot of people think she would be a terrible judge.Stop blaming everything around you and take ownership Luann. You lost fair and square.

July 1-2/19


177 E. Second St.
When are the cops going to do something about this drug house? Selling sub day and night, traffic never stops. Dangerous situation in the 6th ward.

July 1-2/19


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: Migrant Women Told To Drink Out Of Toilets At CBP Facility


July 1-2/19

Re: Ladies Home....

If this is fact then we'll have to start calling it the "Ladudes Home" where the pimples will be flowing like cows getting milked.

July 1-2/19


Wrong person accused on your page

You published a story about a person. People thought it was someone else this is the story you put out there 2 different people

Our favorite Oswego firefighter
Looks like our favorite Oswego firefighter is in trouble again, will he get out of this time?
On 6/18/19 at 1:07 p.m., Joseph Smegelsky, of Oswego, NY was charged with Strangulation, 2nd degree, a class D felony, Criminal Contempt, 1st degree, a class E felony, and Criminal Obstruction of Breathing, a class A misdemeanor following a domestic dispute in the Town of Oswego where he allegedly engaged in a verbal and physical altercation with the victim that made them fear for their life. Mr. Smegelsky was arraigned in the Town of Scriba Court and scheduled to answer to the charges in the Town of Oswego Court on 6/24/19.
This is the actual story totally wrong person This is off the police blotter page on Facebook This person isn’t a fireman It something like this that can harm a person
On 6/18/19 at 1:07 p.m., Joseph M. Smegelsky, 59, of Oswego, NY was charged with Strangulation, 2nd degree, a class D felony, Criminal Contempt, 1st degree, a class E felony, and Criminal Obstruction of Breathing, a class A misdemeanor following a domestic dispute in the Town of Oswego where he allegedly engaged in a verbal and physical altercation with the victim that made them fear for their life. Mr. Smegelsky was arraigned in the Town of Scriba Court and scheduled to answer to the charges in the Town of Oswego Court on 6/24/19
Thank you


July 1-2/19

When that post came in I ran the name through “intelius” website and it came back

Has lived in Has worked at Related to
Oswego, NY Oswego Fire DepartmentSUNY Oswego John SmegelskyKate SmegelskyJolene SmegelskyAnnette Smegelsky


July 1-2/19


Considering the fireman,s record these charges would make him look better to some people.






Today's Quote June 30/2019

Flowers are the sweetest things God ever made and forgot to put a soul into.
Henry Ward Beecher

Family Court
Downtown Friday night and the topic at the bistro was the family court primary. Someone close to Lou Anne was there whining about her loss, saying it was because she took the high road and didn’t dredge up his background and past. I guess there’s a lot there to talk about. They were also complaining about one of the Todd’s. Lou Anne hired a Todd to run her race, the same Todd who ran and lost the sheriff’s race. The person at the bar said they begged her to work with someone else and she refused. I bet she’s regretting that now.

June 29/19


Kevin Caracciola you are a douche-bag.
Scriba Highway Superintendent Speaks Out on DWI Arrest

June 29/19



So Sal is short for Salvatore.
I always thought it was Sallie.

June 29/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Reply to: The van

Why would a black and white van that had no evidence and was not seen at the store that morning bother you?

I would think the fact that 3 witnesses saying it was BLUE and then changing their mind to say it was Richard's van should bother you.

Did you ever ask why they changed their minds?

One guy told the OCSD he saw a blue van driving fast and made a U-TURN and they wouldn't even listen to him.


A kidnapping and they ignored him...why?

Because it was a cover up for who really did it. If you haven't figured it out that there were some important people from OC involved in drugs and killing Heidi and setting up Gary to get away with this crime, ask yourself why Mike B. got a fax from the DA's DWI file. And after that Bivens changed his mind about the van.


WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? and I don't believe Rich M. at all. Why would his wife write a letter to the OCSD/DA about what she knew?

Put it all together, evidence ignored, JW spilling her guts and they let it go, no one saw GT there and Bivens said the description didn't fit the brothers. Neither of them were husky or tall.

Hidden evidence, lying cop on the Grand Jury, Judge King with a closed mind as he tried to try a case.

Oakes lying about GT going to MA when he was seen in Oswego and 2 deputies testified that they watched GT's house and the caddy never left. And if it did, WHY DIDN'T THEY FOLLOW IT????

June 29/19

Revisiting the past & acknowledging the present: Mike "DWI" Barry, Rob "Dough-Bag" Ramsey & Kevin Caraccioli

Town Supervisor Scriba Rob Ramsey is a coward! And, having had his "Daddy Kevin Caraccioli" make it known that the Scriba Town Highway Superintendent Mike Barry, (the ex-best friend of Town Supervisor Scriba Rob Ramsey), mislead us, stating that we "probably" would not have voted for and reelected Mike Barry if we knew about his DWI. However, as wrong as it was for the Scriba Town Highway Superintendent Mike Barry to have been drinking while driving, it is just as wrong that his life-long-best friend Town Supervisor Scriba Rob Ramsey knew about Barry's arrest before it became public, in fact, Scriba Town Highway Superintendent Mike Barry begged his best friend, the Scriba Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey to help him get out of the charge of DWI, because not only did Barry get arrested for the DWI, but he was in Rochester with his mistress when he was pulled over and was arrested for the DWI and did not want his wife to find out, Town Supervisor Scriba Rob Ramsey also an Oswego County Road Patrol Sherffi Deputy ( that has never advanced in his 15 -/+ years at the department); contacted several people at the time, that he was associated with trying to get Barry's charged dismissed, as a Personal Courtesy. Remember those PC's that Ramsey hands out to the Broadwell's for when their niece was arrested? Something.

Scriba Town Highway Superintendent Mike Barry - You should call your own news conference and tell the facts about Scriba Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey. After all, the coward had his Daddy Kevin Caraccioli do his dirty work talking to the press about you. You need to expose Rob Ramsey. We can provide the proof that he knew about your arrest and tried to get it pushed under the rug. This shows that our Town Supervisor Scriba Rob Ramsey misled the constituents. HE should have said something. You both were in the wrong and misled the public. However, being as Town Supervisor Scriba Rob Ramsey was/is your boss, and covered up his first-hand knowledge of your DWI shows yet again what a coward and unethical lousy human being that Rob Ramsey is.

Barry, when you sister Kelly Lago was running against Rob Ramsey for Town Supervisor, and you told him that you were supporting your sister, and not him, he vowed that he would have your job and ruin you. It is time that you come out about damaging facts about your ex-best friend the Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey.

*****People of Scriba If you genuinely care about the wellbeing of our town, we need to get Ramsey out. Scriba Town will continue to go to shit under the direction of short-man-dough-bag; Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey and his Daddy, Caraccioli - Guaranteed!

June 29/19

Re: Sal: not sure how much to say so this post goes up. Sal is as dirty as you can get. He receives payment in kind for fees...I can bring a witness too...btw a piece of the puzzle OPD Officer TM was in business with Acid Dealer Ronal Eliason (Onondaga Hall LSD bust)

June 29/19


Ladies Home
Just heard tony baloney pedophile pauldine bought the ladies home, plans to open an home for teenage boys

June 29/19


RE: Kind words (?)
The only cowards around there are the ones who have been named as being involved with Heidi’s disappearance and try to shift attention from themselves by making jokes, false allegations, and fabrication.
Pretty clever for your “friends” to be part of the circus that went on during Gary’s hearing. “Someone keyed my sister’s truck.” “Someone took a picture of me.” Galley member handing the prosecution a folder…..sleezy….. Birds of a feather, Sal.
Don’t care about who is writing negative comments about you?....Sure, that’s why you posted twice with one being a partial resume? And you’re GUESSING about who said what about you. Like I said, stop believing the Murtaugh’s. There are more than one, two or three people who are disgusted by your connection to them. By the way, not impressed by your resume and you fit right in with most of your clientele. Notice I didn’t say ALL.
Now about me….Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me. Happy Birth Day Dear……. For my birthday, I want….world PEACE!

June 29/19


Sal, the guilty flee, when no man pursues.
Me thinks, thou dost protest too much

June 29/19


Mr Wonderful Lawyer
Wow, what a wonderful pat on the back you gave yourself,The one who walks boldly into Court guiding his client to the bench were you bend him or her over to receive their screwing, while you gently and ethically pat their back and collect your win or lose profits. I'm sure you will just keep doing your job honestly and ever so ethically. Your part of a blood sucking system and a wonderful usher!

June 29/19


Re.Heidi Allen case.
Though the years I've had many people tell me they knew this and they knew that and gary and Richard didn't do it. And I always asked well if you knew this why didn't you go to a local law enforcement agency and report this information. The answer I always got was well I didn't want to get involved. Bullshit you didn't go because you know it's all bullshit. They got the two that did it. Gary went to prison right where he belonged. Richard should have but got off somehow.

June 29/19




Today's Quote June 29/2019

Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?
Groucho Marx

The Boys Lockerroom Patrol King
Kevin Caraccioli I must tell you, that you are one face-ugly dude. What is it that you actually do again? "cough", wasn't there a post a while back stating that you are telling people that you are running the city as little boy Barlow doesn't have a clue? Again, what is wrong with your face? Did you have bad acne in your youth days? Why have you shoved yourself up Ramsey's ass, or is it the other way around? Could it be because he is your boss in Scriba? Do not get excited Ramsey, you are no one's boss. Settle down. Maybe you take turns, obviously, there is more this? You two seem to be very chummy all of a sudden. Now that school is outHow are those lockerroom visits going for you Kevin Caraccioli ?

June 29/19


Your kind words about me
Lots of negative statements about me on the LION. Doesn’t bother me at all. You either like me or you don’t. Richard T didn’t remove me from his case….Judge John Elliot did because he felt I was handling too much by defending 2 murder cases at once. He removed me and assigned his friend, Bill Walsh out of Syracuse. So get it right.

I think and I know I do a pretty good job in my law practice. Practicing 34 years, and I’m still married to the same woman. I haven’t been fired from a job because of alcohol or drugs. As you know, many lawyers who you all claim are just the best can’t make that claim. Stability….honesty, integrity, commitment. You can call me on my cell phone 24/7 even on weekends. And hey, I live in Volney, not in fancy Manlius.

I’m not sure what I’m going to run for in the next few years. But, it will be something. I want to know why people shudder and shiver when they see me on the other side of a case. You should have hired me. I don’t feel sorry for you when you walk in with a lawyer from Syracuse. I’m going to do my job. Professionally and ethically.

I think I’m pretty good at what I do. Alan Jones? I protected the record for appeal. That’s why I objected so much. We were never going to win the trial. I knew the Appeal was the key….and look…the Appeals Court agreed with me and reduced his charge to Manslaughter 2d, 15 years. He never killed anyone anyway. I still don’t believe it. He was railroaded just like they did to Gary T. No evidence.

Sleazy?? Low IQ?? LOL. A month ago I did a non jury trial in County Court. A sex case. The Judge was going to give my client 20 years. The District Attorney assistant put on his case and I simply cross examined ever so softly. At the end of the People’s case, the judge dismissed all of the charges of the Indictment to the shock and dismay of the District Attorney. My client walked out a free man.

Sleazy?????? I guess if that’s what you want to call it….fine…….it’s fine by me.

Salvatore F. Lanza Esq.

June 29/19


Salvatore Lanza
Hey folks….read the posts about me by an anonymous coward. I know who wrote it….I don’t care.

I consider myself to be…presently…the best criminal defense lawyer in Central New York. That’s my opinion. Some examples…Alan Jones…reversed conviction by the Appellate Division. Chris Chadick…reversed by the Appellate Division and sent back to trial court…About 1 month ago I did a non jury trial in county court. The judge was going to give my client 20 years on sex charges. I tried the case…and the county court judge dismissed the entire Indictment. My client walked out of court a free man.

Remember, I know which cases we won’t win at trial in front of a jury. You have to protect the record for appeal to the Appellate Division.

Joe Pagano Esq….one of the finest trial attorneys I am proud to know and practice with. We we’re co-counsel on the Tetro/Bunnell case. It’s up on appeal. I think the convictions will be reversed.

If you need me….give me a call.

Salvatore F. Lanza Esq

June 29/19


Re. Creeper.
Why the hell would I want to drive by Richards house when I know there is a registered sex offender living in a trailer on the same property. Now that's creepy!!


June 29/19





Today's Quote June 28/2019

The most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart.

Helen Keller


Should creep you out. People like you have to live with your own stupidity and guilt for what you did to an innocent man. Let that van be a reminder of what your type mentality has done. You didn't see it driving down the road. You did a drive by on purpose past Richards home. Smh..Don't lie.

June 28/19

"Not a real politician nor friend by definition"
Why do you lie? Why is it so difficult to speak the truth? You are lying to save yourself without any regard to others, including not a care in the world who you hurt in the process. You know that you reek of dishonesty and that you are especially lacking ethics and morals. Do you really believe you are shielded and have successfully covered up your five-year-affair? You have only put a bandaid on it; the adhesive is wearing thin. You have managed to manipulate your simpletons, and this alone is a pathetic play. You lack much regard for those around you, which is adding to the reasons that so many people dislike you and have zero respect for you. We know you are a liar. You know you are a liar. Why do you lie? Consequences of misleading and lying are imminent. Nonetheless, you have no remorse for what you have done, nor do you take responsibility for your actions. These are your core features. You have been entirely deceitful and manipulative. Are you proud? Don't forget there are two sides to this.
Are your fingernails and shoes clean?



June 28/19





Today's Quote June 27/2019


The basic rule of homicide….nothing stays buried forever.


Some ICE officers are reportedly furious with how Trump is handling immigration issues and

wondering 'what the hell is going on' at the border





June 27/19

I cannot believe
I cannot believe the vile disgusting comments and lies that were posted on You know you're from Oswego FB site, by a phony name Rivers. it's one thing to post negative true informtion, it's another to lie. Well, Mr. Rivers, you point of origin CAN be traced. Sleep well.

June 27/19


Should creep you out. People like you have to live with your own stupidity and guilt for what you did to an innocent man. Let that van be a reminder of what your type mentality has done. You didn't see it driving down the road. You did a drive by on purpose past Richards home. Smh..Don't lie.

June 27/19


June 8, 1996-Syracuse Herald Journal
Clearly, there was no physical altercation involving Heidi in Richards van. There HAD TO HAVE BEEN a different van/person who took Heidi.
Keep up the Awesome work of doing an investigators job. Maybe someone from the FBI will get involved with or without special invitation from the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.

June 27/19


East 2nd Street
On Wednesday @3:00 in the morning the police responded to a fight with a possible knife involved. There were about 15 people involved including people from 177 East 2nd and the house across the street from there. Cops were there for a good hour trying to sort things out. This neighborhood is a mess and only getting worse because no action is happening from the landlords of these places. Cops were banging on my door I assume to see if I saw anything. I did not see anything but certainly heard it. This is getting ridiculous. Mayor Barlow maybe it's time you took some action on the east side of the river. All I see is the accomplishments happening on the west side of the city. Pretty soon we will be a divided city. Maybe it's time for OPD to also have a sub station on the east side as well. I am sure there is an empty building somewhere for you to set up shop and be able to respond quicker to problems on the east side. But first and foremost swifter actions need to be taken against the slum lords. Cops have been to 177 east 2nd at least 8-10 times in less than 2 months. This is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!

June 27/19


Police Blotter
Just read through several editions of the Police Blotter on Oswego County Today website. That is a Who's Who of regular visitors to 177 East 2nd Street. Just because the address is different in the blotter doesn't mean they weren't arrested on 2nd street. The address in the blotter is their alleged address or where their welfare check is sent. These are the same characters that all hang out and sell drugs at said apartments on 2nd street. I am calling on the Alderman Robert Willmott , Chief Decaire and Mayor Barlow to clean up this neighborhood. It is out of control!!! Hold the landlords responsible!!!

June 27/19






Today's Quote June 26/2019

To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts.
Henry David Thoreau

LPN @ Bishops Commons
I think the public is entitled to know the LPN who was found responsible for the deaths at Pontiac is now working at Bishops Commons. Watch your loved ones.

June 26/19


UK foreign minister Hunt says cannot envisage joining U.S.-led war with Iran


June 26/19

Trump privately talks about ending Japan defense treaty


June 26/19



June 26/19


“Some people try to help and others try to help themselves”

Rightfully so that the legal presumption of pleading the 5th is that the truth “incriminates”. So why not, Greg, give Jennifer immunity in hopes THE LIAR just may tell the truth. How can she tell the truth when she has a Murtaugh clan member hand signaling to her from the gallery?

Bivens also tried to plead the 5th during Gary’s trial but the judge told him to answer the defense questions about lying on his insurance forms about a car accident in October 1993. What did he say during defense questioning about why he backed up his timeline of driving by the D&W? “I don’t want to send an innocent man away.” TT page has been posted here MANY times.

June 26/19

The van.
Even if i was not guilty I still would not want that van back let alone parked up in my driveway. The story behind it alone would make me want to get it off the face of the earth. But hey that's me. I saw the van this past weekend going down the road and it did creep me out a little bit.

June 26/19

If it was me I would put a big sign on it and park it right across from the jail.
Then for Harbormess I would rent a space and sell tickets for people to go through it.

Dumb ass sheriff = Rob Ramsey = Scriba Town Supervisor
Let's face it. The doltish of the bunch is the little ba--ard man child Rob Ramsey. Why? He's literally ignorant as F-CK. Convinced it is in his DNA. Let's give the little dude some credit because he does appear to at least try most of the time. But dude. Trying isn't doing. You do not belong in this position. You get sh-t backward's and you misspell over half of your words in a basic sentence. Let alone, you have a difficult time trying to carry on an intelligent conversation. Let us be clear that this isn't a roast on you. Lord have mercy if it does not turn out the way you want it to, you are always blaming others. You are a coward. Get on your wrong side, you are calling us every name in the book. Why you have remained....is beyond.
The majority of us just do not see you as the right supervisor over the town, Rob. You are a complete Jacka-- to everyone that is around you. What the Fu-k happened to you, man? Some go out of their way just to talk shit" truths" about you just because you get under so many peoples skin. You are watercooler talk - and not in a positive way. You are tolerated because of how politics work. You have had two years to actually do something productive and make a difference. You have really NOT done a damn thing except using a brand new shovel to dig up for a ceremony, and have supposable affairs, which we still think is an attempt for attention plot on your part.

Pasco, Lag, Sheldon, and Kenndy -- Weigh in - defend your leader if you genuinely feel that he is the right man for the Town Supervisor position of Scriba... The constituents want to know.


June 26/19





Today's Quote June 25/2019

Nobody owes anybody a living, but everybody is entitled to a chance.
Jack Dempsey

Huawei sues U.S. Commerce Department for equipment seizure_People's Daily Online

June 25/19

Russia says it will counter new U.S. sanctions on Iran: reports


June 25/19


Reply dumb ass sheriff
I have no idea why that poster brought Ebby in to this. Ebby was not involved. Ebby was always back then attorneys for Herm Jordal. No joke. He was in the in crowd helping the Jordal family get out of trouble. LMAO he was to.

June 25/19





Today's Quote June 23-24/2019

All things are subject to interpretation

whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.

 Friedrich Nietzsche



RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff

...and what proof do you have to back up your claim?

There still hasn't been any evidence by anyone to prove GT was at the store.

Are you a cop trying to convince the public of this.

Watch Matt M. doc. and start weeping because there is enough there to start an inv. into this crime they called an investigation.

June 23-24/19

Re: Sal and Murtaugh
I’m glad for Richard Thibodeau that he didn’t keep Sal Lanza to represent him through the whole legal process. I remember Sal as a sleezy lawyer back in the 90’s and he appears to STILL be a sleezy lawyer. Knock on wood I didn’t need services of a criminal lawyer then or now. The alcohol must be affecting his brain if he doesn’t remember his short representation of Richard Thibodeau. Fact is, the news quotes him as saying there was no photo line-up of the Thibodeau’s before they were arrested. This is corroborated by a letter Dodd sent to the court and Defense detailing who, when and what photos were shown to people for ID purposes.

Sorry, not sorry, Sal would not be a good replacement for Greg. Isn’t there anyone A LOT better than him. Mike McAndrew perhaps? Someone with integrity.

June 23-24/19

I hold peices of the puzzle.....Troy Martin & Ronal Eliason & Bateman Sr. 1990 something, NY Pie Fire, woods, Allan, Oswego Police, cocaine, murder, rape...

June 23-24/19



"Accident or suicide it'll get their job done." Wescott is in harm's way. She knows too much. Ten or twenty years pass, her and Priest will end up missing or dead. If either takes place Gregory Oakes should be held fully responsible. When things die down something unusual will end their lives. Wescott couldn't hold a candle stick to Priest, her integrity is more superior than even the OCSD. Priest HAS proven herself. Wescott's proved one thing, how TO LIE TO AVOID PRISON. Wescott may be safer in prison and Priest should be in protective custody. Because she is not it shows you how little your life matters to the DA or the Sheriff's. Priest took them all on and has had more courage than our entire county. Oswego needs a DA, TOO BAD PRIEST didn't come along.

June 23-24/19


If Hilton did the right thing it would be a tremendous change for Oswego County. Question is will he?

June 23-24/19


Insanity at its finest

To the poster that keeps repeating his post about Richard Thibodeau's van and his desire to keep something that rightfully belonged to himself. Here's a piece you may want to read. All murderers, keep something that BELONGED to the VICTIM, heres a list of the most notorious murderers and their prizes they kept. Including saliva, under wear, news paper clippings, clip of their hair, a watch, their clothing. It would mean something if the van belonged to Heidi. You are either involved in this, acquainted to someone who is or insane. I do not believe the FBI or anyone would even support your idea. The van never belonged to Heidi and not a drop of DNA was ever found inside. Not a hair, clothing fiber, finger nail, blood, saliva, nothing. So what's in it that links to Allen? Nothing !!! I never knew it was criminal to want what rightfully belongs to you returned. You conveniently over looked the box of news paper clippings, documents, faxes and a book labeled Heidi Triangle's written by Bohrer and taken from Micheal Bohrer's residence. It's a fact those pieces collected from Bohrer's camper hold accountability to his guilt than Mr. Thibodeau seeking to collect his own belongings.

June 23-24/19


People's Daily Online


June 23-24/19

The very owner of the van involved with Heidi Allen was involved in the robbery at the wire mill. They stole truck loads of copper. Millions worth. If you knew the van owners location in the 90's, Google maps might show a tractor trailer in her driveway back in 94 to 95 time frame. Their nephew did get caught after trying to round house kick the security guard and did time in prison for it. The rest walked away Scott free. Two men to a truck. 3 trucks missing along with their trailers. That were filled with rolls of wiring. Where is it you dump off millions in copper wire? Murtagh may know the answer to that. How is it capturing one they could never connect the 6 other wire mill robbers? It's about not just drugs but lots and lots of money.

June 23-24/19


Salie Boy
Sal Lanza is only about 5 points up the IQ ladder from Joe Pagano.

June 23-24/19

177 East 2nd
Well slumlords Tom and Fred think they solved some of the problem but they really haven't. The lower front apartment tenants have been evicted. They cleaned out their stuff but all they did was move it into the upstairs apartment. So instead of having 30 plus people split between 2 apartments there are now 30 people congregating and selling/doing drugs out of 1 apartment. Nice try Tom and Fred. Until they do something about the upper front and lower back apartments nothing will change in this neighborhood. I get that it is hard to evict someone , but they really are not staying on top of this situation at all. Only reason they have done anything is they are feeling the pressure from posts on this website.

June 23-24/19

Robbery the one who was caught
Here ya go. Start connecting the connections.

The very owner of the van involved with Heidi Allen was involved in the robbery at the wire mill. They stole truck loads of copper. Millions worth. If you knew the van owners location in the 90's, Google maps might show a tractor trailer in her driveway back in 94 to 95 time frame. Their nephew did get caught after trying to round house kick the security guard and did time in prison for it. The rest walked away Scott free. Two men to a truck. 3 trucks missing along with their trailers. That were filled with rolls of wiring. Where is it you dump off millions in copper wire? Murtagh may know the answer to that. How is it capturing one they could never connect the 6 other wire mill robbers? It's about not just drugs but lots and lots of money.

June 23-24/19



Reply to reply to reply to reply..Dumb Ass Sheriffs
The post on June 12, 2019 Are you ph***** serious????

No one saw GT there

RT would not have called the cops if he did it

Ebby wasn't involved

Did you follow this case from 2014?

Did you watch Matt's doc?

Did both DAs hide or late giving evidence.

Matt's doc is the most powerful yet and this proves the bros. were innocent. Of course there was even more but the OCSD ignored all of it.
A child could have seen what was going on...speaking of child...did this kid just bring them down?

Dodd is a liar, corrupt sob that broke his oath.

Anyone with the IQ of 16 knows this was all a cover up.

Watch and see if the FBI or the DOJ jumps in.

June 23-24/19

RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff
The post on June 12, 2019 Are you ph***** serious????

No one saw GT there

RT would not have called the cops if he did it

Ebby wasn't involved

Did you follow this case from 2014?

Did you watch Matt's doc?

Did both DAs hide or late giving evidence.

Matt's doc is the most powerful yet and this proves the bros. were innocent. Of course there was even more but the OCSD ignored all of it.
A child could have seen what was going on...speaking of child...did this kid just bring them down?

Dodd is a liar, corrupt sob that broke his oath.

Anyone with the IQ of 16 knows this was all a cover up.

Watch and see if the FBI or the DOJ jumps in.


June 23-24/19




Today's Quote June 22/2019

If you are lonely when you're alone, you are in bad company.
Jean-Paul Sartre

RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff
The post on June 12, 2019. “First I would like to say that I enjoy reading the posts on this site.
Now to get down to business. I think gary and Richard are guilty. Richard is one lucky sob he should've rotted in prison right along side his brother. Some how he got lucky and ebby got him off the hook. Are this other bullshit is just what it is Bullshit. I watch a lot of crime shows and all the murderers and rapist keep trophies from there victims. Why do you think Richard has been whining about getting his van back for years.”

June 22/19


“The only reason she is alive is the constant publicity around the Heidi Allen case. She knows to much and has already said to much. When all this quiets down she will have a tragic accident of some kind like so many others have had.”

The DA will protect her, or at least she thinks so. Oh, my bad, he’ll only protect her from prosecution for continually lying to law enforcement about others being involved with kidnapping, murdering, disposing of Heidi. Way to go, Greg. Too bad Jenn didn’t have the fortitude and integrity that Tonya has. If Rog is an insignificant person as sounds, why would Jenn protect him? OH, it’s not Rog she’s protecting, she’s afraid of the Murtaugh’s? Speaking of Murtaugh’s…Hilton, have you called upon the FBI yet? What about the AG or is that the DA’s job? Hilton, you are aware that the AG’s true determination of what they were given by the DA’s office and Sheriff’s Department was inconclusive in contradiction to what Greg was spouting publicly? Is there no way to help them reach a conclusion?

I actually pity Jenn. That she was involved with people ‘like that’ and has such a low moral character.

“Live long and prosper”.

June 22/19


Dave Sterio accomplishments
Looks like you didn’t find a hobby. Dave has done a lot for the town of oswego. You sound like a very bitter person who likes to run people down. Do something positive for a change. I think mr. Malone has enough to handle with his bar and the restaurant in Oswego where would he find time to accomplish anything. Please get a life and don’t start lies.

June 22/19


Sal & Murtagh
The other night I watched Sal Lanza team up with Richard Murtagh across Sals Facebook. What got me was the idea Sal couldn't decifer between lies. Murtagh made several false comments. In which I screen shotted the entire thread. Murtagh claimed Gary's mother was selling drugs out of her home and that everyone went there to get these drugs. Dumb comment and Sal fell for it. Gary's mother has never lived in Oswego let alone the state of New York. Then Murtagh tells Lanza he thought Gary was a Federal CI. Lmao!! When is it Murtagh stops his lying? When is it people like Sal find their brains and actually study the case. Lanza then went on to claim Gary knew RB and JS from rumors he heard, not true and both Steen and Bohrer made it clear. Gary, they knew of him as he just moved to N.Y. and Bohrer made it very clear in court by saying to Gary I never liked you which confirmed Steen confessing Gary wasn't liked. Bohrer ( not Mike Bonner as Sal called him) also describes Gary as being not liked while he and Sharon stayed at Becks due to their fire because he was nothing more than a fly on the wall. To drug dealers that's not a good mix. So Lanza expressed he feels Gary must have been involved due to being an aquaintace to RB, JS, which he is not. One could also say the same thing about Sal and his link to the Murtagh family. Must be Sal, if that theory held water, we'd all be in prison because you knew of someone who committed a crime and would be guilty just by knowing of them or knowing them. That is not how the laws work. Smh, what a pathetic theory, and you are an attorney? Then Sal went on to claim Gary must have sold drugs in order to have an income( that stemmed from Murtaghs claim Garys mother sold drugs from her home) Sal was immediatly informed Gary was disabled. Sal cracked a joke about Gary being able to walk in court, FUNNY he then remarks well he wasn't wheel chair bound. Really Sal, what a low life, you don't know Sal that Gary shattered both of his feet falling over 30 feet and was in a wheel chair for years until rehabilitation helped him learn to rewalk. Then for years he was crutch bound until his walking became more natural again. Sal you looked like an idiot making these claims and a fool degrading anyone disabled. Next time Sal make sure what you are told that you fact check before you comment. Not only did you feed in to Murtaghs lies you went with it and sided with a liar, you became the laughing stock over night. Sickening to see an Oswego attorney not only make fun of someone disabled but to watch him feed off the lies Murtagh posted about the drug dealing from Gary's mothers home and how everyone went there to get their drugs. So tell us Sal, were they traveling all the way to Massachusetts to get their drugs? Because that's where she lived and died. Why not Sal tell the public your play in helping Wescott gain immunity? Smh..no one Sal then believed it was easy to point at Steen being in prison. Making yet another b.s. comment seeing as Oakes lied and didn't pull all reports on Steen that came in prior to him ever being incarcerated. Thus Sal you are a direct part of the problems in OZ. If you commented the other night drunk. Here's an idea stay off face book when you are drinking. Heres some more advice if you have zero knowledge of this case, can't decifer between lies and facts. Don't comment at all. If I could link the entire thread here I would. Be thankful it's not linked seeing as it was deleted as I snapped the last photo of the entire pathetic conversation. Murtagh posted to the Thibodeau family he will be seeing them real soon, heres a fact you will not be seeing the Thibodeaus soon because if you do, it'll be fun and games until the cops show up ask your buddy Steen how that worked out for him. That was the second threat Murtagh the first was you'd burn their home to the ground. Sal considers a person such as Murtagh a friend LMAO Sal always does seem to side with the citizens riding in the gray areas of the law. Must be the only friends he can get. Be thankful you two fools I don't link every ounce of that bs convo here. Maybe I will..maybe you both deserve to be publically called out on the lying. Cross your fingers Sal I don't.

June 22/19





Today's Quote June 21/2019

I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashion.

Lillian Hellman




$20,000,000 OHS Football field under water



June 21/19



Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff


Many of the names on the original post you responded to are right from sheriff notes from the original investigation in 1994 and 1995 (or from personal knowledge).  Just look here:  https://www.scribd.com/doc/243843580/Affirmations-in-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Vacate-Judgement


, https://www.scribd.com/document/243843960/Exhibits-26-40

, https://www.scribd.com/document/243844092/Exhibits-41-50

, https://www.scribd.com/document/235564005/Thibodeau-Gary-Motion-Filed-7-30-2014-Updated

, http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/

.  Just to post a few resources.  Investigation 101-- rule out people--go back to the beginning if a suspect doesn’t fit the evidence.  Clearly, there WERE others besides Gary who were questioned and investigated.  LE knew of Breckenridge, LE knew of Murtaugh, LE knew of Bohrer.  It’s not new to them.  So don’t let Murtaugh fool you into believing that his name just came up from Jenn Wescott in 2013.


The connections make sense and also show that Gary couldn’t/wasn’t responsible for Heidi disappearing.  Unlike the bs theory the ADA presented to the jury that they fell for.  The Law said Sharon didn’t lie about Gary’s alibi and The Law says Richard is innocent.  What other conclusion can be drawn than Gary HAS to be innocent as well.?  And since he didn’t kidnap Heidi, someone else did.  It’s not rocket science.


There is so much to read on this case to make connections and that’s why Greg is not getting the backing by the community and beyond.  Not to mention his blatant lies that have been exposed.  Drugs, drugs, drugs.  That’s how most people are connected to this case.


And HEY, to another commenter—Watch your mouth!!  Richard was not proven guilty in a court of law.  He is innocent, no matter what you ‘think’ or believe.  With all that was presented at Richard’s trial, he was determined by a jury of his peers to have NOT kidnapped or killed Heidi.  You know what libel means?  I understand though, commenting anonymously so that you won’t be held accountable unless…..nvm.   You’ll have to come up with another theory considering Richard is Innocent and Gary had an alibi.


June 21/19



Dave Sterio's List of Imaginary Accomplishments

WOW, what a list of nothing burger's. His list made me laugh hard enough to bring tears to my eyes. If the residents bite on this bullshit, they get what they deserve, a bullshit artist. Looking at the list will make you realize he did not do much in four years but help raise your taxes by 23%,

Energy efficiency:  Changing the heating system from propane to natural gas and changing the lights to LED is a no brainer and is part of doing the job, and only happened when he was told you might save a few bucks in the conversion over about a 10 year ROI. (Return on Investment) Going from 89 octane to 87 only made the equipment run worse and MPG went down for a loss to the town.

Communication:  He bought a computer an for e-mail and coordinated with the Town Clerk to let their Republican friends come to the town hall to sign Republican petitions, which is against the law. Having a Facebook page is not something the Town should be engaged in; it is not news. Partnering with the tow residents for Earth Day...really Dave...maybe if you did your job and cleaned up the town, it would not be necessary to have a Earth Day.

Financial: He has a good imagination. Taxes over all are up by 23%, mostly due to mismanagement of funds, giving himself a 29% raise and adding over $15,000 for health insure for himself and his family. Doing a street light inventory is part of your job and what was accomplished? you want to increase expenses by adding unnecessary street light? If you are not fixing the roads then getting $2,000 additional from CHIPS means nothing.  Getting grants for equipment from Pattie Ritchie/state is again, part of your job. A good Highway Super would have gotten 3 times as much. A statement that expenditures are only approved if they are the right thing for the residents...really...so your pay raise, health insurance, 2 new pick up trucks for yourself, months of rental on a backhoe that was never used and a 23% increase in our taxes were all good for the residents.

There is sooooo much more fluff in this self aggrandizing editorial that you make Trump look like a piker. Your best one though; I attend the monthly town board meetings.....News Flash; again, it is part of your JOB that you are being over paid for!!

The only thing that seems to make sense is your entire statement is: I hope this information will help the people to make their decision on Primary Day, Tuesday, June 25, is correct. Anybody that read that editorial just made up their minds to, Vote for Malone, unless you want 4 more years of  mismanagement, imaginary accomplishments, and using town assets for his political  agenda.


June 21/19



Trump Lawyers Objected Over 130 Times As Dems Asked Hope Hicks About Mueller Report



June 21/19




The only reason she is alive is the constant publicity around the Heidi Allen case. She knows to much and has already said to much. When all this quiets down she will have a tragic accident of some kind like so many others have had.


June 21/19









Today's Quote June 19-20/2019

A person will sometimes devote all his life to the development of one part of his body - the wishbone.

Robert Frost



Rucynski-Coleman not a good Family Court Judge

Looks like good ole boy Benedetto is running scared. Typical repug tactic, throw vague, factless mud at the opponent. Strong women bring out the worst in repugs.


June 19-20/19



India fights trump tariffs with tariffs of their own. United States families will have to dig even deeper.

What is Trumps IQ really?




June 19-20/19



What does the drug book tell us?

It tells us who the big cheese is, the person who's name never gets mentioned the holder of this book also holds all secret info held under the disguise protecting an informant. This is were all the lying started. Rule one and there's only one, never release information on an informant. You can now lie to the public as well as Judges. The big cheese has all the answers but no one ever mentions his name, the register tape and others got all of the peoples attention, just the way it was planned. If these last three do not come forward soon and  think they are above the law so be it we can see justice without the law!


 June 19-20/19



Mr. Big cheese

I have and never will mention any persons name, but how wonderful it would be if the big cheese sat down with Matt Mulcahy and told how all the rats were placed under his protection and involved him in a cover up. This was once a good man. Lets clear the air we are all to old to carry this shit around any longer!


 June 19-20/19




How many are aware Benedetto has been denied certification/qualification to be a Judge by the Review board.

He did not appear this time as another denial wouldn't look good. Coleman HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AS QUALIFIED .

Benedetto does even have a real working practice to speak of.


 June 19-20/19



Political candidate criticism

Why is it that all the critics that feel we are to uninformed to make our own decisions are not required to give us reason as to why they are. In most cases they don't even tell us who they are.


 June 19-20/19



Benedetto fitness

It's interesting that Mr. BENEDETTO wrote a letter for a child molester imploring the court for a light sentence for the monster. He wasn't representing him, he was acting purely, apparently, out of sympathy for the molester.

Here is a man with no family, who wants to sit in judgement,  of people who DO have families. Perhaps that is part of the reason the review board deemed him unqualified to sit on the bench in the past.


 June 19-20/19



Round Up Poison

This afternoon, 6/17, Oswego’s own Tommy “Tattoo” Tesoriero, bff of Oswego’s darling Atom Avery, was spotted on W 5th St dousing his properties with Round Up weed killer and proven cancer-causing poison.  As a former water department employee, Tesoriero should know about ground water, runoff and  the adverse impact such overuse of these chemicals has on our ecosystem, drinking water and general health of the community, particularly the developing bodies of our children.  If you care so much about Mr. Avery and his family, you should think twice before acting so irresponsibly.


June 19-20/19




If Richard Murtagh truly believes that Gary Thibodeau was a Federal CI, would it give them motive to pin it on Gary Thibodeau? Look what happened to Heidi. Why would it not happen to Gary? Did Richard Murtagh give a motive to why Gary? Who ever said Gary Thibodeau was a Federal CI working under cover? No one but then again no one ever said Heidi was defiantly without doubt a CI either and some how Micheal Bohrer knew. So how does Murtagh come up with this theory or information regarding Gary Thibodeau? Wouldn't that as well explain why framing Gary Thibodeau did not matter?


June 19-20/19



177 East 2nd Street

I was gonna write and say that it has been all quiet on East 2nd street since the bust last week. But alas it all started again last night. 30-40 people in and out all night. This morning around 8:00 I witnessed two drug deals go down right in front of the house. Not even trying to hide it. CPS was there again yesterday. The kids have been taken away but still spend a lot of time there doing unsupervised visits. I am sure that is not supposed to be happening either. The only 2 people I haven't see are Tom and Fred the slumlords of this place. Maybe they are getting a cut of the profit on top of their HUD money.


June 19-20/19



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

Does anyone wonder why the biggest case in Oswego Cty. wasn't tried by the DA, but the ADA?


Did the DA know something he didn't want to get involved in?


Oh Dodd, Matt's documentary just hung you and a lot of others if it's investigated.


Yeah you're an honest person. Did you know about all the coke being sold by "important" people in Oswego Cty?


Why else would you hide evidence, lie and take a person not even id to court...man is this going to deep.


Don't wear green to prison, it clashes with your eyes.


June 19-20/19



Our favorite Oswego firefighter

Looks like our favorite Oswego firefighter is in trouble again, will he get out of this time?


On 6/18/19 at 1:07 p.m., Joseph Smegelsky, of Oswego, NY was charged with Strangulation, 2nd degree, a class D felony, Criminal Contempt, 1st degree, a class E felony, and Criminal Obstruction of Breathing, a class A misdemeanor following a domestic dispute in the Town of Oswego where he allegedly engaged in a verbal and physical altercation with the victim that made them fear for their life. Mr. Smegelsky was arraigned in the Town of Scriba Court and scheduled to answer to the charges in the Town of Oswego Court on 6/24/19.


June 19-20/19



Settlement reached in Oswego landlord sexual harassment lawsuit



June 19-20/19



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense...reply to Dumb ass sheriffs

Dumb ass Sheriffs


I read your post 3 times. I don't know anyone of these people. Not from Oswego area.


But where did you find this info?


For 25 yrs. none of these names have been mentioned.


Not degrading you but would like to know more.


Are you a cop or ex-OCSD deputy?


June 19-20/19






Today's Quote June 18/2019

Sins cannot be undone, only forgiven.
Igor Stravinsky

RE: Rob Ramsey
Because.... it is so spot on!
"And she makes him feel out of control & powerless at home, he can't express his frustration and has spent a good chunk of his life feeling pushed around by Liz. That's why he's angry all the time." Would you give me just a small break!?

We get it, Rob is a poor man-child with an overbearing wife. However, his emasculating home life in no way, gives him the right to degrade, demean and intimidate virtually everyone forced to deal with him. Yes, that would be in both the Sheriff's Department as well as the Town of Scriba. He only appears to be civil to those he feels he can get something from, or that can help him dupe the board and public.

Remember Robbie, that whenever you talk to Clerks (Reb), City Public Works employees (Tom), former Superintendents (Rog) and so many others, about those same people that you always do, you know, that handful of people you dump on and try to ruin? Well, they hear every single nasty word that falls from your lying mouth. Then when you try to speak with them with your feigned respect, all they can think is "this little douche really thinks I believe the garbage he's spouting.

I really do hope the town council members wake up soon and realize Ramsey (with the help of Caraccioli) is digging a hole nobody will be able to crawl out of. He needs to go, not at the term end, but right freakin' now!

Have a fantastic day!!


June 18/19

Rucynski-Coleman not a good Family Court Judge
Just read the editorial about the "right choice for Family Court Judge" and the description of how Rucynski-Coleman handles herself in court, is not consistant with the person you want sitting on the bench. Yes, she is self assured, but with that comes her belief that her opinion is the only right one, regarless if it is outside the realms of the law. She is high strung, argumentative and thinks she has all the answers, and unfortunately, she make poor decisions.
Tom Benadetto has the proper temperament for the position of Family Court Judge. He is level headed, follows the law and is not opinionated with a bias that he is always correct. He will due diligence on every case. He has worked in the county system for many years and is well respected.
Just because you see a lot of Rucynski-Coleman yard signs doesn't make her the best candidate, it just tells me she is willing to spend tons of money to get the job as Family Court Judge.
It is always good to have a level headed individual like Benadetto sitting on the bench as compared to a person who will make uninformed judgments to fulfill her own ego.
Benadetto seems to be the right person for the job.

June 18/19


Hilton may not be willing to do the right thing. It may hurt his career. But doing nothing will hurt it even more. The people voted him in for change. Not to fear what's to come. But to be the driving force behind justice. It seems it may never come to that if he's insecure about the political bridges he will burn. Even though the public will rebuild every last bridge for him. He under estimates the power of the public

June 18/19


Re: Ralph's drug book.
Is this Ralph happen to be Scruton? If these names that were given are detailed in an OCSD deputys drug book, what's that tell anyone? I spoke to a person who directed me to Ralph Scruton. Who his name is never mentioned. It's only whispered behind his back. So no I do not know Scruton but I do know Wheeler. He's dirty always has been.

June 18/19


Ralph's drug book.
I don't know a Ralph or any drug book from this Ralph. But if you find Herms drug book you'll connect them all. I never read any book. I know them all. Every last one. That's the only reason I'm aware of who is who. Who did What. But if it matches that Ralph's drug book what's that tell you?


Is this a judge dressed as a pirate or a pirate dressed as a judge?


June 18/19







Today's Quote June 17/2019

The man who has no imagination has no wings.
Muhammad Ali

Re: Idiot
Sorry to have upset you! When I post here it is not meant for the public so much, I submit to the eight men that hold all the keys to solving Hedis kidnapping, these eight men read this platform more than you and I, I'm speaking directly to three people now! Your submission of who's who reads like GPS for junkies! and matches the drug book names.

June 17/19


New St Mary's
The current church was referred to as New St Mary's by my grandfather's generation as it replaced the original wooden structure building that was built in the 19th century. My G.grandfather was one of the stone carvers who worked on the church and his brother was the one who did the floor tile job.They both raised families on the money they earned over the 9 years they were employed on the construction. That's right 9 years!! As far as the steeples go check out the attached image


June 17/19

St. Mary's Church Preservation Group
There will be a meeting open to all at the Oswego Hibernians Club 22 Munn St 6PM=8PM Monday June 17th to discuss and present information pertaining to ways to save St.Mary’s Church from closure

June 17/19


St Mary's
Last count only 1760 Catholics in Oswego who actually go to church. Closing St Mary's just lowered that number as I and my family will no longer be attending mass and we won't be the only ones.The diocese's foolish decision seems based as much on politics as economics.


June 17/19






Today's Quote June 15-16/2019

Don't ever try and be like anybody else and don't be afraid to take risks.
Waylon Jennings

Charlie P
whoever cited doing shots with Charlie P in his patrol car has an inside track, it's no lie , and not made up. Sheriff Hilton, you got some in the know old timers who are turning.

June 15-16/19


The present St Mary’s church wasn’t built until the early 1900’s, so that can’t be today’s steeple. Does anyone have a picture of the first church?

June 15-16/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Timelines questioned, witnesses changing minds on the color of the van, Jenn W. giving a lot of ignored info, Oakes lying about GT going to MA, Dodd caught in a lie by Lisa P., no one seeing Gary, Bivens, Fabin and another man telling the OCSD the van was blue and then for some reason changed their mind to white, the "three" virtually being left alone etc, etc, etc.

BOTTOM LINE: cover up for those selling drugs. You don't cover up for criminals, just for cops and others.

We all know what happened here. It's so obvious it's laughable.

How man were involved?

Retired cop telling that coke was sold out of the Oswego Police Dept. True? Don't know.

But look and think about how this investigation was done and what the OCSD didn't do with new info.

There was so many mistakes made by those involved in a cover up you could cover a table with them.

Todd NOT wanting the FBI's help...but said he won't rest until they find Heidi????

I must repeat..." who do you think you are kidding Oswego? "

I said back in 2014 that maybe they took a van and made it look like Richard's. One person said highly unlikely...but now it seems probable.

Soon someone will step up and save themselves if it hasn't happened already. If you don't think Dood, Todd or others won't turn on you...think again!

June 15-16/19


Reply to Ralph's drug book
You are an idiot.

June 15-16/19


OFD spending
The Fire Chief and Mayor are spending tax payers money like it’s water!

Where is the money coming from???

New fire ladder truck - 1 million dollars
New rescue truck - $150,000
2 new ambulances - $300,000
10 new firefighters and benifits - $700,000 per year

The ambulances must be needed to generate more overtime

With no one running against the mayor, apparently it’s a free for all!!


June 15-16/19


Lies, Lies Lier X's Three
This was written regarding the Heidi Allen Case and was originally published on the Oswego Onion on January 18, 2015

We are all still watching all Greg O.

Lie, Lies, Lier X’s Three

Our sisterhood casts…thrice times three,
Yes there is one, blessed be…
oh we thought you knew, it appears your still the fool.

We wish you best, the best that you can be, even though you have made our hearts heavy.
We are not unkind, but we know the truth, and lies you have told will soon catch up with you.

All in good time, that is on our side, as we wait with our candles that bind, and unwind.
We sit by our fires, stirring our winter pots, we have been casting and bonding a wee bit more.
We know just what your are, there is evidence that you can’t just put in a jar.

The soft fragrance fills the air as you remember, a boy inside, and held a candle with tears in your eyes.
Ah yes we remember you too, now you are the one who battles the good.
We are not broken, think of us as trees that bend, becoming stronger until the end.
As it will be you, that determines your fate, make your choice,
as it will, so will it be, it will be times three.

June 15-16/19


Re: Hearing
That was Murray Miron at the Hearing, wasn’t it? The man who said ‘who do they think they’re kidding’.?
Murray Miron passed away from pancreatic cancer July ’95.

June 15-16/19


Trump starting another war this time Iran. We have lost all of our allies. Trump is a fool


June 15-16/19





Today's Quote June 14/2019

Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.
William Butler Yeats

Dr. Microns interview
believe Dr. Microns interview , or not, the fact is, one it was learned the kid indicated a cop was involved..........the fact checking, and follow up.....STOPPED. Why? Because, many suspected it was too close to the truth, and killed that avenue of inquiry.
Ask yourself, how, and why, would a kid make that up? He described the "policeman with black boots" exactly as a child would. Shot in the foot? Maybe that also happened.
Bottom line...the situation was not fully investigated. Check the records the days it might have happened , given the time line of the kid being at his fathers, who was on duty? From the kids report, sounds like he, or SHE, was in uniform at the time, it strains imagination that he or she, would dress in uniform to do a murder. ....unless they were on duty at the time. Who was on duty at that time frame? Why did VanPatten suddenly resign? What the hell us going on and possibly covered up?

June 14/19


re: dumb ass Sheriffs
Wow, all those names, It looks like you have had access to Ralphs little black DRUG BOOK!

June 14/19


New names in black Vics
In a recent post those two names bring back such GOOD OLE memories, back doing shots off the dashboard of Charlie P's patrol car, back when you could sit in Hotel and pass joints with our off duty GOOD OLE BOY, maybe under cover work, sometimes you just got to get your hands a little dirty to do your job, These new names hold the key, if not the quilt!!!

June 14/19


Poll says Biden's lead over Trump a landslide...


June 14/19

RE: Dr. Miron
It is not a fairy tale. What has been posted is from his report. Watch the documentary again, what I say is right there. You must have missed the details of what Dr. Miron did with the boy. That’s OK that you don’t believe. Like I said, watch the documentary again.

June 14/19


Just noticed
I wouldn't doubt it. You have Heidi aunt also online claiming the public only cared about Gary. This family of Allen's forgets the amount of people who came to their aide, the money donated and the time many have spent to help. One thing they can't seem to comprehend is this. Heidi will never be given justice with out exonoration to Gary Thibodeau. Without the exonoration the state of N.Y. considers the case closed due to Gary being found guilty for it. The first step to any healing, truth or justice is to exonerate Gary, then arrest the culprits then and only then can Heidi ever be put first. Steps have to be taken to get to Heidi and justice for her first. This family pushed for Gary to stay incarcerated their push helped steal the life of another. If they wanted real justice they'd have hired an outside PI to account for the ooopsies made by the Sheriffs. Martha quote claims on Mulcahy wall that basically what's done is done. It's not done, Heidi deserves justice. It'll never be done Martha until your neice is given a proper investigation and brought home. Martha claims they did hire the Texan. Yes, but that Texan also told their family he felt Bohrer was involved. Do you listen ever Martha? The very person you hired you didn't listen then. You sure as hell are not listening now. The Allen family God granted this push by the public will put Allen first and will bring justice for the loss of her life. We are trying. Are you?

June 14/19


Do you hear us now. This is not going away. It's going to get worse. Accountability, integrity. This public has it, when is it you begin to listen? We are all trying its your turn. We voted you in to bring justice. Not silence.

June 14/19


why all this now?
Why didn’t Gary’s family do anything to help him w appeals or attorneys or private eyes for the first 20 years?
Whether you think I m lying doesn’t matter to
Me I m happy with myself and our efforts to find Heidi
We got a search specialist here we got national guard here we got the whole community to search we kept all the records for Heidi center we offered reward we attended every public event in case we call on every found body or remains we attend events for missing children
It has always been about Heidi for all 25 years
And for you it’s all been about Gary
Different sides of a tragic story for all involved
The what if’s the should of s could of s can’t change what has already happened
So sad but true. -Martha Sturtz
Reply to her. "You should never be happy with yourself lying about your neice and your efforts in bringing in the Texan he told you then he felt Bohrer committed this crime. You knew all about Bohrer, so did your family. You ask why now.
"THE DEAD CANNOT CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE IT IS A DUTY OF THE LIVING TO DO SO FOR THEM" Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness These are the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence for each of us; EXCEPT IF YOU ARE MURDERED YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY RIGHTS. Someone took them and now THEIR RIGHTS ARE NOT PROTECTED. That's why Martha. To bring justice to and for both Heidi and Gary. To push the constitutional rights both were entitled to that were stripped from them, Illegally. The push from the very public you claim could care less, obviously they are the ones that will secure the right of justice, due process and truth. Be thankful for the public they are the very ones trying to find Heidi Allen."

June 14/19



Read 43:02 about what Dr. Miron ALSO wrote.

June 14/19


RE: Miron report
Check at 40:00-40:02 to see what you call a lie.


June 14/19

Thanks to the non efforts of OCSD, their attempt not to solve the Heidi Allen case but to attempt to connect the Thibodeaus again in a case in Mass, a family now has closure. This entire time their lame attempts at trying to convince the public they were investigating missing Heidi Allen turned in to closure for another family, OCSD failed in linking the boys once again. So instead of focusing on this case. The idiots dragged another department in to their drama. If they put that much energy and effort in to Heidi's case they would have solved the case 25 years ago. One question Oakes explain how if Richard never went to Mass how is it you would have ever linked him to that crime when you have zero evidence linking him to any crime. Smh, you are a waiste of tax payer money and completely incompetent as a District Attorney. God bless the family who now has truth. Oakes may you rot in hell.

June 14/19


That was Murray Miron at the Hearing, wasn’t it? The man who said ‘who do they think they’re kidding’.?

June 14/19






Today's Quote June 13/2019

I believe that government is the servant of the people and not their master.
David Rockefeller

Man! Dean Goodsells name seems to come up a lot in the Heidi case/cover up. Hmmmmm.......Goodsell was an Investigator Lieutenant in OCSD and tight with Scruton, the Lt. at the time. Alan Goodsell was a Sgt., at OCSD. It's claimed the van was hidden in Deans mill. Goodsell made rank fast, and is tight as a fishes asshole with Todd and Scruton. Despite the fact he never took a test to make Lt..
Ask some old time deputies, if you weren't a good old boy, who went along..........you were out. Sheriff Hilton, save yourself, if it goes south, and it will, and you did nothing, it won't look good. Call in the feds.

June 13/19

177 E. Second St.
“Tommie” and “Freddie” are not interested in quality tenants, they are only interested in $. This is not the only dump drug house they own. Skanky slum lords.

June 13/19


City Fire Dept
I’ve heard they the Mayor and Fire Chief are purchasing 2 brand new ambulances for the Fire Dept. Why? There is already an ambulance company established in the city, why are we wasting taxpayer monies on buying new ones? They just bought that fancy rescue truck. They are also looking to hire 10 more firefighters brining their numbers higher than pre lay-off’s. So that must have been just a political stunt to get our kid mayor some attention. WASTEFUL SPENDING!!!

June 13/19


Quit taping people's phones. Hilton if you want to chat name the time or place. I'll be there. Instead of tapping let's chat face to face.

June 13/19


Re: Dr. Miron
I have been qualified as expert witness and have testified in a number of Federal trial matters in this country and Canada in which these psycholinguistic

techniques have been employed and accepted into evidence.

On Wednesday, November 9,1994 at the invitation of the Oswego County Sheriff's Office, accompanied by Deputy William Cromie, I interviewed Debra

J. Moore, her son, Brent Moore, age 3, and members of the staff of the Catholic Charities Counseling Service.

As a result of these interviews, it is my professional opinion that Brent Moore's report of the certain events, pertinent to the disposal of Heidi Allen's

body, which he witnessed are true and accurate accounts of those events.

Specifically, it is my opinion that Brent Moore, witnessed Heidi Allen's body being transported in a van and then saw her body burnt in a garage shed

on the property of the Barlow residence located on Parkhurst Road, in the Town of Scriba.
Brent's account of these events, despite his young age, as told to his mother, Debra Moore, and the Catholic Charities Councilor, Camilia Utick,

have the characteristics which both research and experience associate with true and accurate reports.

My examination of the drawings made by Brent and his accounts of their representations, in my judgement, contain images which accurately reflect

the details of the Barlow residence and the location of Heidi Allen's remains.

Brent's behavior following the events he witnessed is entirely consistent with the expected sequelae of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Brent's

mother reports that he has had difficulty in sleeping, has had of somatic complaints, and stressful concerns regarding Heidi Allen.

In the course of my interview with Brent, he evidenced a mature understanding of the distinction between reality and pretense. He presents as an

active, alert, articulate and bright child. This picture is drastically different when the child is in the presence of his father, Richard Mitton. When he

visit his father, Brent does not talk and is quite frightened of him.

It is my considered professional opinion that Brent Moore's accounts of the events he reports have sufficient credibility to warrant further

investigation in pursuit of their ultimate physical confirmation in determining Heidi Allen's remains.

I declare under penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of New York, and that the foregoing i true and correct, and that I am competent to

testify to the same in court.

Executed this 11/09/04
Murray S. Miron


Have you carefully read the document about the 3 1/2 year old boy?
While the first interview, Mr. Miron found the boy credible, by the second he couldn’t determine what caused the agitation he exhibited after going by the Barlow residence. Key phrase in the second interview was that Mr. Miron asked the boy if Heidi had also been shot in the foot and the boy replied Yes."

June 13/19

Immunity to a liar.
Let's quote Greg Oakes. "Wescott wouldn't know the truth if it smacked her in the face." So here's a question for you Greg. What gave you the legal right knowing no matter what happened Wescott was going to lie, you admit she's a liar but illegally gave her immunity? Does that make any sense? Giving a citizen you admit lied to you, immunity for what purpose? So she could not be charged with perjury. What side of the law are you really on the gray side of the law?

June 13/19


Just noticed
Did you see the name of the Forewoman on Sharon Raposa’s Grand Jury. She related to Lisa Buske? Nah, can’t be.

June 13/19


High school
Oakes in high school. If the public only knew. He was not liked because he was a habitual liar. His worst enemy was one of Lisa's witnesses. Greg lied so bad in high school he had the reputation of a habitual liar. He had one friend Mark. His worst enemy use to toss his geeky ass in to the lockers. Oakes was a geek in school. Told tall tales. Ask his class mates. Ask his classmates also about his love hate affair with the wrestling team. If you good folks only knew the real Greg Oakes. Why he had 1 friend. LMAO Mark, Greg was your only friend. The majority couldn't stand your lying and labeled you an asshole then. Still think you are an asshole today.

June 13/19


Re: Could that be St. Mary's Steeple
Might be the North side of the Switz Conde house.

June 13/19

Ebby poster
Are you uneducated or what. LMAO let us know when Ebby was the Thibodeau attorney, never happened. Next time fact check yourself before you post stupidity.

June 13/19


Conversation Tracey Breckenridge, had with Roger Breckenridge. Appears to be a recorded statement from Tracey, while speaking with the OCSD!
#1 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: " I said what's going on?"
#2 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "He says, "I guess I got to get that van out of Murtaugh's"
#3 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "I says, why?" He said "Because it's got evidence in the back."
#4 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE:"I go, "What do you mean [by] evidence?"
#5 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: He goes, "There's blood on the backseat."

These quotes are from the Heidi Allen Files broadcast, from Matt Mulcahy . Just those 5 sentences prove Richard and Gary Thibodeau
had nothing to do with the kidnapping of Heidi Allen. They also confirm all that Tonya Priest told DA Greg Oakes! I am so irritated that the Oswego
County Sheriff's Department and the Oswego County District Attorney's Office, didn't listen to the truth tellers, but chose to go with the liars

June 13/19

Crime shows LMAO
That's about the stupidest comment yet. Trophies first off they keep trophies of their victim like a piece of hair, a watch, so on. Keep watching your crime shows you do need some more education lol. Crime shows lmao. Name one crime show where the object the accused kept was the very vehicle they used to kidnapp someone in. They don't. They burn, bury, sink or destroy them. What a stupid comment. You win idiot of the year award on that one. Ebby LMFAO its Walsh and Fahey. I've never in my life seen such stupidity in a post. Crime show this, your obviously guilty of one thing being a dumb ass. Boy do you have your facts backwards their PI.

June 13/19


Many of us agree. Petrowski should be held accountable for his illegal actions and removed from the Sheriff Dept. Pie liar will never live that down. If you want a clean department get rid of the shit weighing it down. He should face charges and as an officer of the law he's a disgrace. While you do that pull the texts out of his ass from Wescott and Murtagh. Maybe then Petrowski, pie liar will learn to walk right. Petrowski no offense bud, but your teeny tiny clothing doesn't fit your fat ass.

June 13/19








Today's Quote June 12/2019

All men make mistakes, but married men find out about them sooner.
Red Skelton


Mr Bigs big black vic!
How frustrating sitting in our local breakfast house looking across at the towns GOOD OLE BOY the prick that has the answer to every question there is about Heidi Allens disappearance, a perfect example of how a N.Y.S becomes a tainted department. This past Sheriff has been so very lucky or skillful that his name is only mentioned in passing. Titus saw Heidi in that big black vic!. And you have not fooled everyone. We will speak soon.

June 12/19


Liar Dodd
Dodd lied to get this indictment. Look how it says that “it was a fact” that Sharon and Gary were in MA on April 3, 4, 5, 1994. By golly, how could that be a FACT if two police officers took their plate number at their residence in the evening of April 3 morning of April 4 AND she made transactions at local Oswego Businesses? By golly, that ‘FACT’ was dismissed in A COURT OF LAW. HAHAHAhahaha. Dodd can thank Greg for filing the indictment paperwork for us all to see this lie!!
Fact is, Dodd is a clever liar but there are people smarter that catch it. Do you really believe the words that come out of your mouth, Donnie?

June 12/19


177 E. Second St Arrests
This is just the beginning. Yesterday I witnessed 4 drug deals go down all before 10 A.M.. The funniest part was that Sgt. Burger was right across the street checking on one of his rental property's (while on duty). It's almost like the drug dealers were rubbing it in his face. See what we are doing? We can do this all day long and no one will stop us.The owners Fred and Tom really need to get a grip on this place... Oh and what is up with all the backpacks. Seems like every person that enters that house has one. I counted over 20 yesterday alone. It's probably just a study group..LOL

June 12/19


Re: Bivens
Read the transcript pages that have been posted on this site of Bivens' partial testimony. On the oswegonylion, do a ctrl "F" and type Bivens. That would be the easiest way to find the testimony without looking at the whole site. You could do that with ANY key word.
Bivens changed his time that he drove by the D&W because LE told him what time they thought Heidi disappeared. 8-8:30 did not fit their theory.

June 12/19


Stinson replies to Fact check:
You can find my post on connections at 9/19/18. Or my original police statement.
Summary: I had worked with Curtis, and was acquainted with Easter morning customers
Swenszkoswki, Granger, and (learned) at least one more. They all worked at the Nuke Plant.
Since then, (off-the-top-of my-head), I worked with Kris Duell’s brother Jason, I’ve had
excavation done by Heidi's Uncle Russell, Uncle Don was my neighbor, My kid worked at the
store when she grew up.
I’ve crossed paths and maybe said, “Hello” with Brandon Roth (mocdwi), Wayne Mahar
(skywarn class), Hand & Hall (Dogs @ Longbranch park). It’s a small World.
I’ve even met Lisa Pebbles.

June 12/19


What If ………………. The shovel
Someone said Steen admitted Heidi was killed with a blow to the head with a shovel. Several people mentioned a shovel in the back of a deputy’s car during the search of Gary’s house and questioned what became of it. Some said it had some kind of tissue on it. Some speculate there was no tissue and had nothing to do with Heidi and that explains why there was no more mention of it.
What if Heidi was killed with a shovel?
What if the shovel in the back of the deputy’s car was that shovel?
What if he didn’t find the shovel at Gary’s but instead brought it there but a reporter saw him with it before he had a chance to drop it somewhere on Gary’s property?

June 12/19


Leads for Heidi
What about these leads? Oh, I know, they didn’t involve Gary and the second was probably drunk. Does that sound about right? Correct me if I’m wrong…Tyler testified at the hearing AND he was sober. What about the inmate that talked with the DA? Oh, I know that too. He was just trying to get a deal (go figure). These are just two found quickly from, you guessed it, Greg’s filing for the hearing. Thanks again Greg. Man, did you take the wrong path with your lie about the AG and not getting the FBI involved, or just agreeing to a new trial or (easier) just agreed to exoneration based on newly discovered evidence. “We” wouldn’t have even known about the withholding or ‘hiding’ of documents that way. But, then again, there wouldn’t have been more community chatter that may inspire someone who knows to come forward in whichever manner they choose. Sadly, Gary passed away in the meantime. L

Please Oswego DA’s office and OCSD, please turn your documents over to the public so we can investigate for you. Your job will be to question anyone “we” find particularly intriguing, for legal purposes. Accept my apology in advance, Mr. Hilton, if you are investigating. How about find out what Pietroski did with the text between Jenn Wescott and Dick Murtaugh?


June 12/19


Couple questions for Matt Mulcahy
Did you read all of Exhibit #46 from Greg’s filing for the hearing?

Did you find out what charge Bivens had that Judge McCarthy recused himself from Gary’s trial because he represented Bivens?

Bivens was connected to the Cowen’s who were Gary’s neighbors and also testified at the trial. Mr. Cowen was the neighbor who didn’t like Gary so he probably felt justified for testifying against Gary even though neither he nor his wife could positively ID Richard’s van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994. Mr. Neville is deceased. Wonder what his sons have to say now about what they remember from their statements and testimony back in 1994.

Mr. Stinson, that register transaction tape is Wrong. There is no way possible Heidi was kidnapped between 7:42 and 7:45. Too bad Matt Mulcahy didn’t find 2 transaction tapes as should have been in evidence.

June 12/19


Chernobyl is still horrifyingly relevant – the lessons have not been learned


June 12/19


Thank You OPD
Job well done by Oswego Police Department as they hauled 3 more people out of out of 177 East 2nd Street today in cuffs. Looked like rats scurrying off a sinking ship when OPD showed up. Unfortunately they let the big dogs slip away(next time). The suppliers were parked out in the back and somehow eluded the authorities. Hopefully this will calm things down a little but Fred and Tom still need to evict the rest and be more selective in renting. There had to be 35 people in and out today before the cops showed up. Now that's being popular.

June 12/19

First I would like to say that I enjoy reading the posts on this site.
Now to get down to business. I think gary and Richard are guilty. Richard is one lucky sob he should've rotted in prison right along side his brother. Some how he got lucky and ebby got him off the hook. Are this other bullshit is just what it is Bullshit. I watch a lot of crime shows and all the murderers and rapist keep trophies from there victims. Why do you think Richard has been whining about getting his van back for years.

June 12/19


General comment
It’s in the police notes from Greg’s filing about Gary’s sister getting a lawyer and declining to talk with LE. That part is not a secret for anyone who read ‘the entire’ filing. The secret was the Dr.’s report. Also secret is that Heidi did drugs with Brett. Also secret (not really) is that Brett in Fact treated Heidi like crap. (What do you expect from an older guy who had been around the block a time or two?) Now we have a first name. Those good citizen investigators will figure out who she was. Can’t express how much a coward and ___ Brett is for not standing up for the love of his life.


June 12/19


Dumb ass Sheriffs
Let's make this simple and go in the real direction. Kris Duell tells Matt Duell about the CI file. He's connected to Daniel Barney, and spreads the word about Allen. They then hire Allen, how convenient. Daniels connected to Steen, Breckenridge,Vanpatten, Richard Murtagh, Brett Law and Heidi Allen (school records Mexico N.Y. show several in the same class) Steen connected to Bohrer and Herm Jordal, Breckenridge and Wescott, Allen, Law, Barney, vise versa. Breckenridge is a brother in law to Herm Jordal sister. Herm Jordal sister worked for Murtagh and a long with the 3 amigos, Steen, Bohrer, Breckenridge. Jordal sister also was engaged to Clark Hamilton Senior who also junked scrap and bought his coke off Herm Jordal or Michael Bohrer, he was very close to both of them. Clark owned a off white, white rusted van, even Bohrer would drive they used for junking. That van vanished. If you'd like idiot Sheriffs debunk those connections. It's impossible. You can't here's why. Jordal sister is Herms biological sister. Where did Herm live, he lived right down the road from the D&W Store in little Texas. If you'd like I'll give you all their addresses. Jordal sister married Breckenridge brother she knows both Wescott and Breckenridge, the junk yard man Murtagh the 2 other nimrods. She works for Murtagh, has on and off for years along with Jim Brow Sr and she's worked along side the 3 amigos. She lived in Fernwood with Clark Hamilton Senior on north fernwood road. Herm Jordal died at her residence of a heart attack. Herm is also connected to Bohrer, his best friend Bohrer himself tells you he was at home other than Herm Jordals the night before Heidi vanished. Bohrer and Herm were both dealing cocaine. Her son is best friends to Dean Goodsells nephew. That can easily be proven. Why can't you figure that out? Why because DMV reports won't date back to 1994 so you can track the real van. But it explains exactly how Bohrer found out about Heidi being a CI and the dropping of her CI file. As Duells are connected to Daniel Barney who is connected to Richard Murtagh. Who Murtagh is connected to Jordals himself and his sister, who's both connected to Bohrer. The asses stole Clark Hamilton's van to pull it off. You can not possible be that dumb to not figure that out. Records recent ones can prove the connection between the Jordal family and the Goodsell. Here's one last detail Murtaghs location of moving the 2nd van off Valley Road was Herm Jordals sister, her sons house prior to junking it in the fall of 1996. That location came straight out of the junk yard man himself for the world to see online. Prison records and police reports can prove the drug connections, the raids of Herm Jordals house and confirm drug connections with many family members of Herms. The 3 who pulled the van out were Murtagh, Wescott, and Breckenridge then parked it at Dean Goodsells mill he owned for one night before a flat bed red truck picked it up the following morning. In 96 where you saw Roger you saw Wescott. That explain at all why Wescott won't come forward? Those are the facts. If you can't handle them, to bad. All the media shit, everything you read or see from the Sheriffs are nothing but lies. After reading all the guessing all the lies. Its ridiculous.
Even though Kris Duell insists she did not tell her husband, Matt Duell. She also insisted she told no one. That was a lie. Question everything about Kris Duell the idea a wife does not inform her husband or the 2nd owner of the store of the dropped ci card and having to meet w an officer to turn it over. Must of just slipped her mind. Impossible!!! She should be deemed unreliable and maybe if the Sheriffs actually stopped trying to play head games with the public and went in that direction, gave her a lie detector, along with her husband and connected just as I did here. You'd figure it out. Remember this post. When the truth comes out as it always does. You'll find this lead, this info is fact. Take it or leave it, all this guessing. Not a one of you got it right.

June 12/19







Today's Quote June 11/2019

When we ask for advice, we are usually looking for an accomplice.
Saul Bellow

The Documentary
Yes this is the same person. They also mention the house is the BARLOW residence. The Barlows are somehow related to either Crawford or the Thibodeau's themselves. I am glad someone else caught that connection. All of the Pro-Thibodeau postings comes from Amanda Crawford and a couple of the Barlow's. Surprising they didn't point out this fact themselves lol.

June 11/19


Mr. Miron
Have you carefully read the document about the 3 1/2 year old boy?
While the first interview, Mr. Miron found the boy credible, by the second he couldn’t determine what caused the agitation he exhibited after going by the Barlow residence. Key phrase in the second interview was that Mr. Miron asked the boy if Heidi had also been shot in the foot and the boy replied Yes.
What has LE done over the past years to try to reinvestigate any claims from 1994/1995 if it wasn’t only about Richard or Gary.?
LE checked Richards van again before they returned it upon Gary’s death. They sent DNA samples to MA about a missing person case in which a perp was matched and imprisoned for a clerk’s murder there. They checked Rice Road with 3 cadaver dogs indicating, found nothing from forensic digging but then brought a small excavator to dig the site without ME.
They didn’t do it! Find who lured her, killed her and disposed of her! Hold THEM accountable and anyone who has been complicit in this cover-up of the Truth. Sounding like they’ll fill a block just by themselves.

June 11/19


I see it was not a rumor, the pervert mayor is doing the electrical work at Dunkin. Looks like Baby Barlow is paying back John Jr. for the driveway and sidewalks that were installed by the city, at Baby Barlow's fathers house.

June 11/19


Amedio Trucking
Last year Tom was telling everyone it was time to buy a new truck. This year the truck is allegedly stolen and vandalized. The keys were supposed to hidden inside the truck. He’s claiming it is a total loss even before the claims adjuster saw it.

June 11/19


177 E. Second St Arrests

June 11/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
I would like to say something about Gary's confession that Dodd said on the recent doc.
Bull. You must be kidding. Jenn W. gave strong info and the OCSD ignored it. Who do you think you're kidding Oswego...remember that quote from a "guy" at the 2014 hearing....( err lynching )?
Everyone keep the pressure on. Those that can help solve this case, contact Lisa Pebbles...not the OCSD they'll just throw it away....time for everyone to step up and revenge Heidi and Gary's deaths.
Remember what Tonya said about one of the investigators saying..." I don't care if Heidi is ever found."
Think if this was your child and the LE took that attitude.

June 11/19


New Drug House
Frederick Knopf Jr. and Thomas Bliek are the slum lords who own 177 E. Second Street. Their rental permit should be invalidated . Come on Code Enforcement, get off your butt and earn your pay.

June 11/19


Why didn't the OCSD ask Bivens what time he drove by the store. I couldn't find it in t he Statement of Facts..( Oxymoron ). He said 8-8:30..lol this is their star witness who probably changed his mind after ( imo ) after MB got the DWI fax and talked to him about it...why else would Mike Bohere get a fax from the DA's office? I think the new sheriff has to ask for the FBI's help...he better or he'll be unemployed soon.

June 11/19


Fact Check yourself Dodd.
The correction officer is also linked to none other than the very man who arrived just as Richard did at the dnw store. Whoever posted the links between Bivens, Stitson and Mr. S himself nailed most of the connections on so far. So you have Cormey connecting the dots to Gene Austin aka Gene Cory. Gene leads you straight to the Swenszkowski family. Connect them Dodd maybe now you'll comprehend why that 3 year old little boy was so important. Whoever posted the connection with Stitson please repost that information.

June 11/19







Today's Quote June 9-10/2019

I can excuse everything but boredom. Boring people don't have to stay that way.
Hedy Lamarr

"Street Cred"
So Greg Oakes DA, please explain about the huge brady violation that was done by you and Donald Dodd! So Dr. Murray S. Miron, a psychologist who advised the Federal Bureau of Investigation about the minds of criminals for two decades, was just getting "Street Cred" when he interviewed the young boy about seeing Heidi with snakes and bugs crawling over her, and then shot by a police officer in black boots? Please reference the diagrams attached to this email, drawn by an Oswego County Sheriff's Deputy. Explain that. Especially the one notation that says:"Corrections Officer, Auburn, has connections". But the name, which is written, is unrecognizable. What's his name Greg? Also, you discounted, yet another FBI agent, Clinton R. VanZant, a Supervisor in the FBI's internationally renowned Behavioral Science Unit at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. He was also the FBI's Chief Hostage Negotiator and , was the leader of the analytical team recognized with identifying the "Unabomber." Mr. Van Zandt accurately profiled Oklahoma City Federal Building Bomber Timothy McVeigh on the day of that fateful bombing. His take on Heidi's kidnapping was, "the Thibodeau brothers did not add up to my profile".
Are you implying that you and Donald Dodd, know more than these two world renowned men? That is so obtuse that I am laughing at you two fools while I type. I don't vote for liars, remember that at the next election. Hopefully someone finally cares enough about the crimes you, Donald Dodd, Reuel Todd, and Donald Todd, have committed. You have made a mockery of our county, and all of need to be held responsible for your misdeeds! This is only the beginning, be looking, more to follow!

June 9-10/19


Mayor Barlow On Wikipedia

Scroll down to “Politics” and “Political Controversy”.

The city is governed by a mayor, currently Republican Billy Barlow,[20] and a board of seven aldermen who are elected from the city's seven wards. Recent previous mayors include Democrat, Tom Gillen and Randy Bateman and Republican John Gosek. On May 26th, 2019, it was revealed that mayor Billy Barlow had participated in sex with underage girls as well as illicit drug usage. As a result, the official website of https://oswegony.org was hacked with revealing images of Barlow's actions. The site has since been taken down and an "Under Maintenance" page is listed. Investigations into Barlow's wrongdoings are ongoing.

Political Controversy
In September 2005, Oswego Mayor John Gosek was arrested by the FBI and state police in a sting operation outside of a motel near Syracuse after allegedly giving a woman $250 to arrange a sexual encounter with two 14-year-old girls. The arrest came after a three-year investigation that led to charges of the mayor using his city-issued cell phone to “persuade, induce, entice and coerce an individual under the age of 18 years to engage in sexual activity.” The charge alleged that Gosek used his phone as interstate commerce for the purposes of illegal sex and falls under a federal law that is commonly known as the Mann Act. Gosek's term wasn't due to expire until 2007, but he resigned from office five days after his arrest.

June 9-10/19


Town of Oswego...Facts Don't Lie
Facts always tell the truth:
Sterio and Kaulfuss has been screwing the residents of Oswego Town for the past 3 years. There has been an increase in taxes of 23% or $132.39 taken out of your pocket by mis-management of the above. Here are the Facts....2016 Oswego Town taxes on a $100,000 house was $446.91.use Facts 2019 Oswego Town taxes on a $100,000 house was $579.30.
Total increase $132.39 or 23.0% increase since 2017
Fact....Sterio has had 2 new Trucks in less than 3 years, Fact... Sterio did get over $15,000 in raises and picked up medical health benefits. Fact... Repair of the Byer Road culvert expenses did include rent fora backhoe owned by Mr. King sat for a month and was not used and the town paid rent on it all the time it sat idle...Fact....Robert Malone Jr. does have years more experience than Sterio...Fact ...your taxes went up by 23% .
Fact.... it is an election year, and those running for re-election never want the the facts exposed, so the first thing they will say is ..."they are lies"....All the voter has to do is check your past tax bills from the town and ask Mr. Malone how long he has been working on town road.

June 9-10/19

The Documentary
A 3 ½ year old boy sees Heidi in a van with bugs & snakes, and shot.
The father of the little boy in your documentary is Richard Mitten.
Theresa Crawford has a half brother named Richard Mitten (Gary’s court transcript 2248)
She lived with Richard Thibodeau (t 2259)
April 9th, Gary & Richard Thibodeau and Mitten and their girlfriends all drove together, to join
the search for Heidi (t 2280)
Same Guy?

June 9-10/19







Today's Quote June 8/2019

Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done.
Louis D. Brandeis


Note to all Ramsey posters, I do not read posts before they go on and I do not intend to start doing so.  Leave the kids out of it and watch your language.


The van taken off Gary's property was a decoy. Cut and dry. Here's another key everyone thinks she was taken for cocaine to cover up a coke ring. Ask Wescott how much in cocaine Breckenridge was given to take part in the kidnapping. She should know.

June 7-8/19


Coke drops
Here are known coke drop off points in the 90's. Air drops witnessed in Sandy Pond, multiple campers witnessed and reported at East Coast Resorts a plane landing on the water in the middle of the night and they felt they were smuggling in drugs. Harriett Drive, Pulaski, a plane was also landing beside then Jim Brows property/junk yard. Many citizens reported here on the lion and all over the internet witnessed countless planes through out the night, rumors of coke and coke drops at Oswego airport that butts to Richard Murtagh property/junkyard. Multiple witnesses. Yet, they can't find the coke ring. Write down everyone involved in these locations. It brings you back to Murtagh, Steen, Bohrer, Breckenridge. Those are facts Greg, you are a lowsy DA. THIS IS WHY, take the time to speak to the good citizens of OZ you'll find the witnesses you need to prove it, you can back it by the fact there's documentation confirming millions in cocaine found at Oswego airport not even a decade prior to Heidi vanishing. Oakes either has blinders on or he's as corrupt as the day is long.

June 7-8/19


RE: Bullshit Dodd
Lest we forget the other minor that testified --She didn’t state to police until March 1995, the same month Sharon was charged with perjury, that she saw Richards van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994. Other witnesses claimed to have seen a van but could not ID it as Gary’s even though they had seen Richards van more than 10, more than 20 times at Gary’s. What was Gary’s testimony of Richards van-that it was at his house the weekend AFTER to pick Sharon and him up to search? Gary’s testimony about that WAS NOT A LIE. Yup, Gary, makes sense with other facts. It’s called corroboration which, apparently, LE in 1994/1995 and now in the Oswego County Sheriff’s Office investigating Heidi’s disappearance, have no idea of what it means.

I could not imagine what it probably was like to be questioned, in a court of law, in front of the community. My heart breaks for what those two witnesses must have gone through. Dodd is very psychological with his words and mannerisms. Have you seen the photo of how he leaned in, bent over with his hands behind his back as he spoke to Sharon on the stand? Did you hear how he repeated “confessed” during Matt’s documentary when referring to the inmates. (Boy, what a lie. It’s in police notes and trial testimony that the inmates did NOT say Gary confessed. To set you straight, Dodd, what the inmates said was that they thought he had something to do with Heidi’s disappearance. What they also testified to, on the record, was that they would eavesdrop on his phone conversations home. But you are too smart to know that they would then ask him questions about what they heard. Duh!! That’s how they would know about a case in NY. REAL Facts don’t matter, now do they dodd?) People that can catch on to what he was doing know exactly why he was doing it….to intimidate, hoping for some kind of slip-up to use it against her and/or Gary. Amanda--I admire your integrity and fortitude to take the stand on your uncle’s behalf.

Gary is innocent of kidnapping or killing Heidi and anyone who knows what happened-either who took her, who killed her, or where her remains are/were-lawyer up and talk to the FEDS. This is an open missing person case. Set the record straight For Gary and Heidi!! Lest Karma happens for your family.

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/heidi-allen-files-digital-premiere-of-documentary-friday-at-8pm Thank you, Matt Mulcahy and John O’Brien for inspiring others to want more information-correct information. Looking forward to more because there are still unanswered questions. Thank you to the current Oswego Sheriff administration for your timely response to Matt Mulcahy. Thank you to all who spread the Truth.


June 7-8/19


Dave Sterio
Don’t believe any of the lies that were written about this gentlemen it’s election time and the person who wrote it is a lier and trying to ruin someone’s reputation have you nothing else to do get a hobby

June 7-8/19


Van Patten
Unless Van Patten's the one who resigned there was another deputy who may have witnessed the murder? or maybe heard the details firsthand? I was recently told that during the search there was one deputy who resigned after displaying very emotional behavior. I was told he said "They cut her up in little pieces and burned her" to another volunteer searcher. I haven't followed the case very closely but does this sound right?

June 7-8/19


The documentary
I wish they would put it on Youtube to be watched again.

Matt showed me some things I didn't know.

And the punchline of the day goes to Dodd..." see here is Gary confessing"...Don Dodd. Well if he confessed, why have a trial?

Not once since 2014 has anyone mentioned that he confessed..

Nice try Dodd, just more ammo for the FBI to use.

June 7-8/19


It’s Stinson not Stitson
And don’t thank me. I’m not on your side. I don’t believe that the cash register tape was
tampered with.
I just maintain that the cash register had to be set daily, and could have been 2 minutes fast.
Per the Cash Register Tape:
Wiltsie bought a paper at 0740
Swenszkoswki bought cigarettes at 0741
Thibodeau bought cigarettes at 0742
Wiltsie said he set his watch to 0735 at the Methodist Church and drove to the D&W.
The Church is just under one mile from the store. At 35 mph it takes exactly 2 minutes. (I drove
it) Walk in and buy a paper… That’s 3 minutes not 5.
That would put Wiltsie at 0738, Swenszkoswki at 0739, Thibodeau at 0740 and Stinson at
0740-41 - as I have always claimed.
Can’t prove it - Just my theory.
But I’m not Wiltsie. Maybe he’s a slow driver or a slow shopper and didn’t get to the counter until

June 7-8/19


New Drug House
The newest drug house in Oswego is 177 East 2nd Street. Cars come and go all day long, people in and out with their "goods". Drive by any time of day and you will see a Who's Who of Oswego's "finest" law abiding citizens. This apartment house has 4 Apartments and 3 of them are "In Business" The owner of this property has been warned about his tenants but doesn't seem to care. It's all about the HUD money he collects each month. No one in this house has a job but certainly have money to party all day long. CPS was at the house 2 days ago as there are children living there but of course they did nothing and the kids are still there...... Had to take a little break from writing this email as the Police were visiting the house again. 4th time this week they have been there. Let's clean this city up!! Let's go Mayor Barlow.

June 7-8/19


Gary's Day
Abuse of power, here's that definition. Joe Arpaio arrested by FBI for illegal prosecutions of citizens. FBI, calling his time a "Reighn of Terror."
When you violate Due Process and take away a citizens constitutional rights. You are in violation of Due Process. Greg and Dodd you may want to read the constitution of the United States.
You are also by FBI standards a threat to society. Here's what the FBI said about Joe and his BOGUS prosecutions they were UNACCEPTABLE. So shall theirs be.
May they come for you both Dodd and Gregory Oakes.
Just as in the past, there was Donnies Day. Maybe now Gary can have Gary's day.

June 7-8/19


I have a better suggestion
How about......Have the controlling wife stick a boot up Rob Ramseys a$$! He is such an idiot. The man is seriously stupid.

June 7-8/19


Trump admin tells U.S. embassies they can't fly pride flag on flagpoles https://a.msn.com/r/2/AACy7hR?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

June 7-8/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Is Dodd having blood clots?

Said GT confessed but the guy he confessed to ..Balasdaro now says he didn't.

Sweating Dodd? I know you'll throw everyone under the bus...I would..lol.

All those holes in the inv, the lies the fake evidence, running around the truth..

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC...the liars ran up the clock.....too late guys time to go to prison.

June 6/19


Official's Climate Warning Blocked Because It Didn't 'Jibe' With Trump's View:


June 7-8/19





Today's Quote June 7/2019

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
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Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
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Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.
Benjamin Franklin


Stinson to Common Sense
My apologies, I see where you got 7:45. It is in the transcript of Gary's trial @ tr1740. It says,
Curtiss arrived at 7:45 and notified dispatch at 7:55.
Pretty busy 3 minutes as you see on my previous post.

June 6/19

What's next?
With the new bombshell evidence revealed on the CNY Central special Wednesday night, I am shocked Syracuse.com or CNY Central itself doesn't appear to be digging any deeper into this. Will they attempt to interview the boy now he's older? Will Lisa Peebles introduce this as part of a new Brady Violation? Dodd says this hidden file was handed over as the evidence in the trials...but we know that's a lie. Please, somebody do something with this!

June 6/19


To Stinson
All done in 3 minutes? That was my first thought when I read this in 2014.
I thought about having guys drive to store to see if it was clear to kidnap her.
Anyone who followed this inv. would find it suspicious. And Todd, why didn't he want the FBI's help?

Only someone who was involved would do that.
Was he involved...don't know but start the popcorn and have a seat.

Maybe now we'll find out who was really responsible and let them sit in prison like an innocent man did.

June 6/19


Dunkin Drive Thru
Heard that the Ex-Pervert Mayor, you know, the one on the sex offenders list, John J Gosk, got the job to do all the electrical for the new Dunkin Disaster. Wonder whose ass he kissed and what kind of payback was involved? Under the table money to the Barlow campaign or is this a payback for John Gosk Jr. doing all that free sidewalk and driveway work on Barlow's fathers house on Erie St? Only in Oswego!

June 6/19

I’ll probably end up dead for mentioning this but.. the 3 year old says he seen a “policeman with black boots shoot Heidi in the head”, going back to Heidi Allen’s diary.. she talks of a sheriff deputy having a crush on her and stalking her... moving back to a “policeman dropping her CI card”.. going all the way back to when sheriffs being notified of Heidis disappearance. A “sheriff deputy was flagged down and happened to be sitting right on Albright road” what’s the connection with all of this? Every one of these were benign withheld by the sheriffs and DA. who’s the deputy who keeps coming up? 👮🏻♂️(posted publically online for the world to see)
Van patten oh where or where did you go? Hopefully to fn prison. You were also the officer that went to Richards the morning of Easter. Was easy wasn't it Van Patten once you found someone with a white van. Sick bastard. Everyone's catching on. If Oakes doesn't do what's right and just. I'm certain men in suits will. They'll take Greg down with you. Tick tock ya bastard. Looks like they just rung your fn clock.
I’ll probably end up dead for mentioning this but.. the 3 year old says he seen a “policeman with black boots shoot Heidi in the head”, going back to Heidi Allen’s diary.. she talks of a sheriff deputy having a crush on her and stalking her... moving back to a “policeman dropping her CI card”.. going all the way back to when sheriffs being notified of Heidis disappearance. A “sheriff deputy was flagged down and happened to be sitting right on Albright road” what’s the connection with all of this? Every one of these were benign withheld by the sheriffs and DA. who’s the deputy who keeps coming up? 👮🏻♂️(posted publically online for the world to see)
Van patten oh where or where did you go? Hopefully to fn prison. You were also the officer that went to Richards the morning of Easter. Was easy wasn't it Van Patten once you found someone with a white van. Sick bastard. Everyone's catching on. If Oakes doesn't do what's right and just. I'm certain men in suits will. They'll take Greg down with you. Tick tock ya bastard. Looks like they just rung your fn clock.

June 6/19

Stinson to Common Sense
You’re right, we've beaten this timeline to death. But I will add one more thing… I just reread my
3 statements given on April 3rd. (short, long & longer). Between the three of them I clearly told
Investigator Yerdon that I arrived about 7:40 and had been in the store about 15 minutes and
waved the deputy in at 7:58. Signed the day of, before anyone knew it was going to be huge.

June 6/19


Bullshit Dodd

Dodd I call bullshit. Did you claim you did not call this child or his mother to the stand because he was a child. I call bullshit on your pathetic assinin excuses. You called Amanda Crawford another child to the stand. Did you not? You tore in to her as if she was a hostile witness. You lying pos, you used anyone and anything you could to push your bullshit conviction on Gary Thibodeau. You didn't use him because it destroyed your case and you were running for election in the spring of 95, Todd called it Donnies Day. You are a liar, in turn Greg covered for you. Is Greg also going to claim he never saw this file or ever spoke to anyone in the FBI seeing as the Sheriffs sent this report to them. Please you two are two peas in a pod, both are rotten lying cowards. Hilton you have all grounds for immediate arrests. Where are you? We voted you in for a reason.

June 6/19


Mulcahy was correct
It seems Murtagh and Breckenridge family find this entire thing humorous. I never knew the brutal death of a teen was so funny. Demented post. Boy are these people making the Sheriffs look awful. Its all fun and games Murtagh til the cops show up. Remember that. Maybe the next ones knocking will bring with them a warrant for your arrest. Won't be funny then will it?

June 6/19

Stitson I shake your hand
Stitson is dead on if you look at the paperwork you'll find a written receipt with the last check out time as 716 am. Its crossed off. Replaced with 742. I'm certain that pos vanpatten or Curtis had something to do with that. The times wrong period. Several witnesses saw much action around 730 am that morning at the store. Including Brett law Bronco, Dan Barney red truck. Low and behold these witnesses that saw action at the store around 730 am were never used. Line it up and the 716 fits. Richard cashed out at 716, these idiots arrive around 730 am, Curtis 12 minutes later. How do we know 730. Use the witnesses they neglected to call because it didn't fit their time. Clocks are off a half hour, atleast on the register. Because everything went down around 730. That's why Stitson arriving at 742 saw nothing. Hes being honest, fourth coming and repeats the same exact thing over and over and over again. There will be no arrests its OZ the place that keeps lying over and over again. Those in power are the reason she was taken and has never been found. 2 lives taken that day. Too bad it wasn't one of you assholes involved that vanished or ended up in prison. Wescott you better beg God to remember you. You are already going to hell. Murtagh seems to find it humorous. I wonder what he will feel like when Lisa's the last one laughing. Murtagh smh..Jim Brows name was also coughed up. Whoops. You obviously think the public's as stupid as you.

June 6/19


Lake Ontario Inundation Mapping Tools Now Available from New York Sea Grant: Tutorial Webinar Planned for June 20

Newark, N.Y.; June 6, 2019. New York Sea Grant, with funding from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), has developed new interactive inundation mapping tools to help property owners along Lake Ontario and its embayments enhance flooding preparedness.

The tools are posted at https://seagrant.sunysb.edu/articles/r/12972 with a tutorial to assist users. A free, 45-minute training webinar is scheduled for June 20th at 1 p.m.; register at https://cornell.zoom.us/meeting/register/250965bd69e1e22e7c24e00bf0acd2b8.

The online mapping tools provide users with a parcel-level view of areas that could experience flooding along Lake Ontario and its embayments based on predetermined water levels and digital elevation data. Wayne and Monroe County stakeholders beta-tested the new tools. The future scenarios used in the mapping tools are not water levels currently projected, but potential lake levels offered for planning purposes only.

"These new mapping tools will allow users to visualize inundation information for individual parcels of interest using the predetermined water levels. That information can be used by individual property owners as well as communities to enhance flood preparedness and planning going forward," said project leader and New York Sea Grant Coastal Community Development Specialist Mary Austerman, Newark, N.Y.

Use of the mapping tools has been designed to assist planning, e.g., location and triage of accessory structures and belongings during high water, to inform community-level preparedness planning, and to help identify areas that warrant in-depth analyses, enhanced flood response, or policy development to enhance flood resilience.

Austerman and Jessica Kuonen, a Coastal Community Development Assistant with New York Sea Grant, are the developers of the Lake Ontario Inundation Map Package and Lake Ontario Inundation WebMap tools. These new mapping tools were developed as part of a larger project creating a Coastal Resiliency Index, due out later this year. A similar mapping tool for Lake Erie is being explored. For more information, contact Mary Austerman, New York Sea Grant, 315-331-8415 x121, mp357@cornell.edu.

For additional information on New York Sea Grant's Great Lakes Coastal Communities extension efforts, visit www.nyseagrant.org/ccd. To learn more about New York Sea Grant Extension as a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration cooperative program of Cornell University and the State University of New York, visit www.nyseagrant.org.
Press release: Lake Ontario Inundation Mapping Tools Now Available from NY Sea Grant: Tutorial Webinar 6/20

June 6/19








Today's Quote June 6/2019

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.

Oscar Wilde

D Day June 5 th
Dodd Day ………..Great job, Matt Mulcahey, for exposing the corruption in the Oswego District Attorney’s Office.

June 6/19


A police man with black boots huh?
Dodd, Todd and Nellis withheld evidence, covered up and obstructed the Allen case.
A three year old visting his father, who was associated with the possible suspects, told his Mother on return home, he saw "a policeman with black boots"shoot Heidi Allen and help dispose of her by burning. No three year old would make that up as he was too little to be aware of the ongoing matter. The psychiatrist who interviewed the kid, at length, states unequivocally, the kid was telling the truth. Dodd, Nellis and the others with held this from the defense, in additipn, the story circulating was she was killed and burned. How would a three year old be aware of that? In addition, Murtaugh admitted he disposed of a van that had a rolled up rug in the back, for some people thought to be connected. The van matched the description of the one a witness said took her.
They are covering thier own quite possibly. The higher ups refused ANY outside help.
This stinks.

June 6/19


Worthless lying little F**KS the two of them.
Every case Don Dodd or Greg Oaks prosecuted or was involved in as District Attorneys or assistants should be re examined if not reopened

June 6/19


By the way, Murtaugh told cops a rolled up rug in the van was there when he disposed of it. All of his employees lawyered up.

June 6/19


Dodd what you did is nothing less than criminal. Obstruction of justice, with holding information to protect a police officer. If Hilton can't seem to find the dignity he needs, maybe feds will start issuing arrests, these files were intentionally hidden to protect an officer. None of you are above the law. There is 0 again accountability or integrity in this case. Dodd this time you were in deed caught red handed. Greg Oakes following suit your charges should mirror Dodds along with Mark Moody. Sick DA office and completely demented sheriff dept. So which sheriff was it. Curtis, Vanpatten, Wheeler??? My gutt says VANPATTEN!!!! WHERE IN THE HELL IS THE INTEGRITY HILTON PREECHES. FIND IT AND ISSUE ARRESTS. The only good thing this has done is your hunt to link Gary a family in Mass was given closure. The damn blood hounds have more sense than you shit ass good ol boys. I hear cuffs..its time.

June 6/19


Gary died for no reason. None. Dodd should be held accountable along with Greg Oakes and mark Moody.

June 6/19



June 6/19


To Stinson
Looks like you arrived after Heidi was taken. That's obvious. Was the clock used to set up the T. brothers?

My posts were not addressed to you, rather hoping someone could explain what happened.

Sorry if I caused you any problems or stress.

I will not post anymore about the timeline.

Rather hoping all this ends up in the hands of the DOJ or the FBI and they solve it.

So sorry, just trying to jar someone that may know what happened in a very suspicious case.

June 6/19

Stinson to Common Sense
So you think she had a transaction at 7:42 and the cops were waved in at 7:45?
Thibodeau buys cigarettes at 7:42
Pays, exits the store, gets in his van, moves it to the steps or waits for Swenkowski to get out of
his way (Depends who you ask) and leaves.
(Maybe another vehicle arrives to abduct Heidi)
Bivens is stuck in heavy traffic at the intersection and sees “husky guys and bear hugs.”
Pearce drives by in “slush & snow? and sees whatever…”
All that is over with. Heidi is gone.
I arrive, park, enter the store and wait for the clerk (I thought in the bathroom?)
Another customer arrives and puts down money for a paper.
Another customer does the same.
I wait a few minutes, call out, check the bathroom & customer side of the store.
I wait for another customer. (a few minutes)
Pat Granger arrives, gets $5 of gas and enters the store,
John Glenister arrives, We all talk, check the whole store. (a few minutes)
I walk outside to check the outside and see the Sheriff at the corner.
All in 3 minutes?
The cops had all the time in the world to check my time while I was writing a statement that
morning and again in the afternoon. (the statements said I arrived 7:40)
I just wish all those cops who were checking store clocks had walked outside to the patrol car I
was writing a report in.
Instead Inv. Hall came to my house 4 days later, and we determined I may have arrived as late
as 7:41 based on my Home clock. Remember, the wife was setting the clock as I walked out the
door on April 3rd. That's where my Timeline started.
We couldn’t check it against the cash register. It had been shut on/off 4 times.
I’ll stick to my timeLine. I arrived at 7:40-1,(based on MY clock) flagged the cop in at 7:58 ish?

June 6/19


Uh? What???
Mayor Barlow proudly states we’ve secured funding to replace the East Seneca Street Bridge on the City’s east side, a project totaling an estimated $3.538 million. The grant funding will cover 80% of the total project cost to replace the aging bridge, built in 1978. But it's East Schuyler Street over the *Fort Ontario Tunnel* that needs to be fixed. East Schuyler Street over the *Fort Ontario Tunnel* has been blocked off for over year because it unsafe to drive over. How come money was not secured to fix that? Barlow has got to go!!!

June 6/19


Dave Sterio is Ripping of Oswego Town Taxpayers
Dave Sterio and his little buddy Town Supervisor Richard E. Kaulfuss have been screwing the residents of Oswego Town for the past 3 years. Sterio was elected to the job as Town Highway Supervisor and accepted the pay of $50,000 with no benefits . He made a back-door deal with the Kaulfuss to increase his pay to $68,000 with ultra platinum health benefits that are costing the payers an additional $28,000 for a total pay of $96,000. What have you gotten for the greed-grab by these two officials?
Well lets see:
Highway tax rates have increased by 24%. In 2016 they were $2.90, in 2017 increased to $3.13, in 2018, increased to $3.62, and in 2019 are $3.57. This does not count the fact that he is on his 2nd new $45,000 truck in three years, compliments of you, the taxpayers. He has not maintained the roads and plowing and brush removal is terrible. The weed removal on the side of the roads has been non-existence. The bridge on Byer road had to be reconstructed and we were ripped off for rental of a backhoe that sat unused for over a month, and now Hall Road is closed with another bridge/culvert that needs to be replaced. Hey Dave, you are supposed to maintain our roads, not wait until they are collapsing. Now we are asking the county to fix this bridge, so he is pushing our county taxes up as well. He came up with some B.S. to Micro paving some roads and they are now full of pot holes. This guy, with the help of the Town Supervisor is basically sealing your tax dollars and driving your costs up in the Town of Oswego. It is time to bring a halt to the scam by these thief's. If you feel comfortable having a guy wasting your money, then vote for him in the June primary, if you want some honesty, integrity, ability, and job knowledge, then vote for Robert Malone Jr.in the primary. He has years of experience working on the roads in the town, unlike Mr. Sterio who has no working knowledge, but knows how to rip off the taxpayers.

June 6/19


Oswego Marina
So the Oswego Marina is closed. No electricity on the docks. Public bathrooms are closed and locked , Signs posted all over the place. No launching of boats. No one around. BUT. A staff is sitting in the booth playing on their phone getting paid for doing absolutely nothing. At a empty closed Marina. Barlow and Kells. Seriously. Wasting more taxpayers money. Then I read This Mayor has done more for the city then any other one. Really ?? He's done more for his friends then any other mayor. Follow the money. Cahill building for one. Has this building benefited anyone except for Pauldine. Just follow the money. It's all in the same circle of people. I can't believe people are that blind. Wake up people and smell the money

June 6/19


Re:Asphalt joke
What's worse than that asphalt is the stupid flower boxes on the Bridge St bridge sidewalk. Breaking state codes by limiting the appropriate width of pedestrian traffic. Wait until a kid gets hit as I've already seen one going around boxes into the road when others are walking from the other way. The curb is also high as this child I saw had a hard time getting back on the sidewalk. Someone is going to get killed! Stupid thinking. And as far as the poster...what mayor has done more than Barlow? Many! And, they didn't steal from the taxpayers? Remember the first thing Barlow did? He put a new driveway in at mom and dads house, that we the taxpayer paid for. And if you think for one minute that all the work going on downtown has nothing to do with Pauldine, think again. Also, any work that has been done on the roads was a temporary gift from the State! Lets leave it at that for the moment. Barlow has done much more of nothing! The roads in this city have not been touched otherwise. Money is being dispersed into the many pockets he considers friends. Remember the friends of Barlow? Yea, there are reasons. This city is in disarray and the Barlow "klan" is getting rich!

June 6/19


Illegal use of public space.
There are property owners who are putting these “boulders/rock gardens” fencing and what not and such like next to curbs without *permits* and *this is illegal use of public space.* (You need to fill out an application and submit plans before you do this.) One property owner at the corner of W.4th and Schuyler St. went as far as to plant a tree next to a stop sign. That *sapling* as it grows will eventually displace the stop sign. However, before that the branches of that sapling will block the “stop sign” and an accident will happen. The City of Oswego and the property owner will face one hell of a lawsuit for what this property owner illegally did.

The BEST Scriba Town Supervisor EVERRRRR!
How about leave Rob Ramsey and his family alone. They are trying very hard to repair their damaged relationship and have countless hours of counseling and learning to forgive and love each other again. What if you were in this position? Wouldnt you want people to stay out of your business? Give them some space. You people keep interfering with their progress. Robbie is not cheating on Liz. It was a low blow to put the kids on this site! They have nothing to do with what is going on.
Stop saying Liz is ugly. She has always been the most beautiful bride to Robbie and her family and friends. Her beauty may not be on the outside look wise, but she is a very beautiful person on the inside. Robbie, ignore these people that are posting outrageous lies about you. We all know that you did not ever cheat on Liz and you are a great husband and father. And everyone voted for you because you are the best town supervisor in all of Oswego County. And you are bad-ass! Don't let the haters bring you down. They talk shit about everyone because they like drama.

June 6/19


How does it feel Martha Sturtz
You and you’re a$$hole husband delivered Heidi to her killers.


June 6/19




Today's Quote June 5/2019


"Let me tell you the story of Heidi Allen.."

Matt Mulchaey



Heidi Allen special Tonight At 7 PM On Channel 3  …….



"Let me tell you the story of Heidi Allen.." from our @CNYcentral war room

where we discussed the case for the "Heidi Allen Files"

airing this Wednesday June 5th 7pm on NBC 3. 

Don't miss it!




Tic Toc

I am in agreement. Start saving yourselves. Its time. The public already knows the truth. Its out. Just as Wescott said. Jump ship or sink with it.


 June 5/19



Stinson writes:

Again, On April 7th Investigator Hall took me back to the store to compare my clock with the

cash register time. It is my understanding that The Cash register was “broken” to the extent that

the register (or power to it) was shut of each evening. The Clerk on the following day would turn

it on, set the time and it would keep time until shut off in the evening.

I can’t explain the clock conundrum any better today than 25 years ago.

You should get Investigator Halls report from 3/7/94 to see how my clock compared to his watch

and the Timeline. For all I know, He reconciled it or totally dismissed my time as wrong.

You seem to be asking me this over and over. If you’re hoping for a freudian slip. Good luck.

All I can do is be a Witness. I wrote my statements (the day of), I testified in court, I personally

initiated a meeting with Lisa Pebbles (to ensure she had all my statements), I’ve called the DA’s

office (if I had a concern) and I answer every question on this site. (with my name)

Not once since 1995 have the police, the lawyers, the DA or the Media tried to contact me.

Btw, I was at the counter with the police when Kris Duell arrived and opened the register. When

all their watches and store clocks were checked I don’t remember.


 June 5/19


Eyes on the road.

When Oswego ’s’ Mayor BARLOW unveiled plan for the “Forks of the Road” Barlow came up with this zinger of an explanation. He wants to put flower boxes there and flowers in the dividing medium too *ATTRACT WILDLIFE!”  Wow! One the busiest intersection in the City of Oswego and this nitwit mayor wants to attract wildlife and look at pretty flowers while driving. Or Kells can pull you around on that trailer he built at the DPW for private use. You can smoke another one and look at the pretty flowers.  Oswego does needs a new mayor. Barlow has got to go.


  June 5/19



Driveway apron on E Utica St a traffic Obstacle

Looks like you can do anything you want in the city of Oswego. E Utica Street now has a 4 in high driveway apron that is a traffic hazard that extends out into the street by 12 inches. Hit this and ruin a tire or get you car realigned. It will also force water out into the street during a rain storm. Not to worry though, the first snow plow passing will take this black top apron down to the new 4 way stop on Utica and Tenth. I guess we have no DPW regulations on road hazards, the councilor of this ward is unaware of the regulations, the baby mayor wouldn't have a clue, nor apparently does the city engineering dept., or Kells. The contractor must have been Pauldine. What is the name of his construction company? That's It, "Ignore the Codes Company", or was it give "Baby Barlow" big money for re-election. Stupidity never stops in Oswego.


Property owner Patricia Battelle 148 E Eighth St.




 June 5/19



'Trump baby' flies outside British parliament as leader visits

'Trump baby' flies outside British parliament as leader visits https://a.msn.com/r/2/AACniyE?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

Is this supposed to be Trump or one of the under aged whores he hired to piss on him while staying in a Russian hotel in Moscow.


  June 5/19



Brazil suspends beef exports to China over 'atypical' mad cow case





 June 5/19






Today's Quote June 4/2019

If you want a thing done well, do it yourself.
Napoleon Bonaparte


Delbert Shaw, along with his side kick significant other are in South Carolina.

June 4/19






Chatter is picking up on this new documentary coming. Many are asking and guessing what the dirty DA will say to get out of this. By the previews alone another Brady Violation and obviously they broke the law prosecuting Gary Thibodeau. Hopefully it's enough to spark arrests by outside forces. June 5th at 7 pm you are not going to want to miss this. There is more coming out than what the preview is telling. Dodd, Oakes, Moody, Todd brothers. You all deserve prison a long with the criminals you are protecting. Hilton what is it you are doing to help anyone. You have also watched this unfold. You truly stand by Todd's conviction? How about Hilton not a one of them has ever been held accountable.

June 4/19


Oswego Steam Station
The *stepped* barrier behind the Oswego Steam Station looks like its beginning too collapse/undermined.


June 4/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

- Stinson arrives at 7:41 ( his words )
- Flags deputy down at 7:45.
- Deputy calls in at 7:55..time confirmed by OCSD person
- Duell opens cash register at 8:16 with Deputy there. They confirm the time with deputy's watch. All the same time.
- Deputy earlier checked time on register, wall clock and his watch..all the same time.

This proves that not only was the clock right, but that the register was not broken the day Heidi was kidnapped.

Stinson was there from 7:41 to after 8 am...but never saw anyone or anything.

Was the time on register changed by Duell when the deputy was there?

Stinson and deputy confirm his arrival time on April 7th..7:41 is his arrival time.

I am not accusing Stinson or suggesting he had anything to do with the crime but how can this be? There were other people that arrived after Stinson was their time confirmed?

Who opened the cash register at 4 am that morning. Well it can't be too hard to find out. NEVER WAS INVESTIGATED ( imo ).

I think we all know what really happened in this case...GT was set up.

I'd like to ask Bohere if he did receive a fax from the DA's DWI file and is so did he talk to Bivens and sway him to change their story about the color of the van? Because I think the "three" did it with others helping with a cover up.

Mrs. Fabin changed her story to id RT's van but stated it was light blue when it was behind her in Mexico.

Bivens changed his story from light blue to white and id RT's van only after saying it wasn't RT's van 2-3 times.

Another person told the OCSD that he saw a blue van speeding on the road and did a U-turn...again blue. But said the OCSD wouldn't listen to him..hmmm. Cover up? You bet.

Did the police look for a light blue van? Why did they change their stories and the color of the van?

The FBI will walk thru this fiasco. This is a tragedy and a joke...so many mistakes and deliberate actions by some of the deputies.

Tell me, what goes on at 3-4 AM at the airport that was so important that the people living nearby reported seeing county issued vehicles going in there but it was never investigated!!! MOE, you care to tell us?


The truth always comes out sooner or later.
I said in 2014 on the Peeledonion.com there were a lot more people involved in this then people think.


June 4/19

'It Feels Like We Are Prisoners’
Article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/migrant-children-describe-life-at-florida-detention-center_



June 4/19

Does anyone remember one ?? In OswegoN.Y.


June 4/19

Tammy Mahoney
Everyone knows but still no trial.

He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder.

Thomas Sullivan is a blend of Mohawk and Irish. And he looks it. With a handsome mug complete with bright eyes, he is a magnificent storyteller.
During his annual Native American history display last Friday Aug. 7 in Syracuse, he talked in circles about his people as he explained the images.
He put the show up on Oswego Blvd in that little triangle of grass across from the Erie Canal Museum, one block north of city hall. It actually started across the street at the rock, which commemorates the Onondagas helping settlers in Syracuse.
The show (see gallery at cnylink.com) is a series of photographs, paintings and graphic images that give life to the Native American experience from the Iroquois Nation across the great plains, through Wounded Knee and out to the Pacific Coast.
He doesn't sugarcoat their story. He points to photographs of markers that note where the savages were killed by the new colony's army; often after helping settlers to adjust to their new land. There was a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Sullivan explains how he gave the order to hang 17 native Americans. He was backed into it politically, but still he did it. Sullivan talked about how George Washington was a monster, as he sent his army to slaughter the same Indians who came and fed his army when they were trapped at Valley Forge.
Throughout the show there are several images of young white girls. These are young women, Sullivan says who disappeared and are thought to be buried on the Onondaga Nation. One was found dead, naked in a blanket. Her death was ruled accidental because of exposure. He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder. Recounting seeing a young man covered in blood come to his mother's house that very night. He also names Indians who worked as informants for the American Government at Wounded Knee. And talks about how throughout history whenever an Indian aided an abbeded the United States, they often paid dearly at the hands of those they were working for.
So, while walking through his exhibit, and hearing his stories -- often citing the oral tradition of his elders, one wonders -- "whose side is Tommy Sullivan on?" Over time, it becomes apparent that he is after the truth.
He said, after his activism in Columbus Square, trying to get the way the Indians were depicted off the monument (he says inaccurately), he is persona non-gratis. The Post Standard won't cover him and city hall won't speak to him.
So, is he a rabble rowser? He prefers to think of himself as an activist, and ultimately, a man of peace.
What he is really after is a city park dedicated to the local native Americans. And he thinks the triangle of land that he takes over once a year would be perfect. As there it sits, unoccupied and silent across from the Erie Canal Museum, which tells the story of building the Empire State.
What do you think? Write us at city@cnylink.com.
To learn more about Tommy Sullivan read Shepperd's City Scuffle blog Holding the Rock.Thomas Sullivan is a blend of Mohawk and Irish. And he looks it. With a handsome mug complete with bright eyes, he is a magnificent storyteller.
During his annual Native American history display last Friday Aug. 7 in Syracuse, he talked in circles about his people as he explained the images.
He put the show up on Oswego Blvd in that little triangle of grass across from the Erie Canal Museum, one block north of city hall. It actually started across the street at the rock, which commemorates the Onondagas helping settlers in Syracuse.
The show (see gallery at cnylink.com) is a series of photographs, paintings and graphic images that give life to the Native American experience from the Iroquois Nation across the great plains, through Wounded Knee and out to the Pacific Coast.
He doesn't sugarcoat their story. He points to photographs of markers that note where the savages were killed by the new colony's army; often after helping settlers to adjust to their new land. There was a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Sullivan explains how he gave the order to hang 17 native Americans. He was backed into it politically, but still he did it. Sullivan talked about how George Washington was a monster, as he sent his army to slaughter the same Indians who came and fed his army when they were trapped at Valley Forge.
Throughout the show there are several images of young white girls. These are young women, Sullivan says who disappeared and are thought to be buried on the Onondaga Nation. One was found dead, naked in a blanket. Her death was ruled accidental because of exposure. He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder. Recounting seeing a young man covered in blood come to his mother's house that very night. He also names Indians who worked as informants for the American Government at Wounded Knee. And talks about how throughout history whenever an Indian aided an abbeded the United States, they often paid dearly at the hands of those they were working for.
So, while walking through his exhibit, and hearing his stories -- often citing the oral tradition of his elders, one wonders -- "whose side is Tommy Sullivan on?" Over time, it becomes apparent that he is after the truth.
He said, after his activism in Columbus Square, trying to get the way the Indians were depicted off the monument (he says inaccurately), he is persona non-gratis. The Post Standard won't cover him and city hall won't speak to him.
So, is he a rabble rowser? He prefers to think of himself as an activist, and ultimately, a man of peace.
What he is really after is a city park dedicated to the local native Americans. And he thinks the triangle of land that he takes over once a year would be perfect. As there it sits, unoccupied and silent across from the Erie Canal Museum, which tells the story of building the Empire State.
What do you think? Write us at city@cnylink.com.
To learn more about Tommy Sullivan read Shepperd's City Scuffle blog Holding the Rock.

June 4/19


Mick Mulvaney: 'Not Unreasonable' To Ask Navy To Move John McCain Warship

June 4/19

Trump Uses Warship Scandal To Rip John McCain Again

June 4/19

show me another mayor thats done so much with this city then barlow.

June 4/19


Something again doesn't make sense at the D&W
Timeline at the D&W
"I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42"...Stinson

Not to be accusing you but how did you know the clock was broken ( set by Heidi at 5:55 AM ) when the deputy matched his watch, the wall clock and the cash register time...and all were the same.

At 8:16 AM Duell opened the cash register with the deputy and they matched its time with deputy's watch and again it all matched.

What happened before the 3rd with clock has nothing to do with the fact that the time was right according ot Duell and the deputy.

Of course only if they are telling the truth. The fact that the OCSD didn't even go after the tape for April 3rd until August of that year sends up red flags.

You don't have to, but could you give your opinion on what you thought happened that morning at the D&W.

Something doesn't pass the smell test..not saying you were involved but if the did change the time how could they have done it with transactions before RT got there from other customers and verifying their time the entered and then left.

There is a lot of activity that points to police involvement ie: MB getting a DWI fax from the DA's office?????
one lying on the Grand Jury stand, Oakes getting caught in a lie by Matt Mulcahey (sp).

JW telling enough info to turn this case around...and a host of other things.

Just curious about letting a guy die and a girl die because of drugs.

"And when I strike down with great avenges to those that have hurt my brothers"...Pulp Fiction quote Samuel Jackson.

June 4/19

St marys dico. why dont you leave your name you big coward.

June 4/19

WHAT? Heidi Allen
Isn't suspicious that Oakes gave Lisa P. all that evidence just 2 days, on a Friday or Saturday before the trial?

Isn't also that Heidi's sister is happy with the conviction (?) even though the second guy was not found or convicted?

Also that Jenn W. gave a lot of info to the OCSD and they did nothing with it.

And Heidi being confirmed by a deputy that he did sign her as a CI?

And no one looked for a blue vann or checked MB who owned a white van as testimony by a guy who borrowed it to junk with at the time of the crime?

And MB gets a fax from the DA's DWI file?

And Oakes stating the GT went to MA around the 3rd but two deputies that were watching him said the car never left.

And Dodd being caught in a lie by Lisa P.

And Jenn W. saying she didn't know anything but then said she did and the OCSD didn't do anything with the info.

And OCSD inv. erasing Jenn's phone texts?

And someone texting Steen..CIAO Heidi...means see you later in Italian. They had the owner of the phone but only asked a few questions and did not see in someone else was in the house.

And OCSD didn't get the register tape until August 1994.

And it took 6 months to get a picture of Steen so a witness could look at it.

And Roger couldn't account for at least one hour of time the morning of.

And Moe not letting the FBI help...hmmm I wonder why.

And Judge ( used loosely ) let Bohere off the stand because he was upset.

And the color of the van by 2 witnesses changed their mind about it...yuck, how can you live with that.

And offering Jenn W. immunity. Must have been sure she knew something.

And a jail house snitch now changing his story.

And three people said it was a blue van but the OCSD came up with nothing.

And one deputy said we asked one of the 'THREE" but he said he didn't do it. You from Saturday nite Live? Are you serious. what the hell do you think they are going to say?

And Oakes telling Lisa P. that "I don't have a lot of confidence in the OCSD integrity then changing his mind. Probably after soemone sat him down for a talk.

And why would Tonya be getting death threats if Gary was the true killer. Did the OCSD use phone records etc?

And, and, and...........Is this enough suspicious activity for you? and there is so much more. Who's gonna be the first one to talk? First one walks, all others go to prison!


June 4/19






Today's Quote June 1/2019

Stand up to your obstacles and do something about them.

You will find that they haven't half the strength you think they have.
Norman Vincent Peale

Way too go......... Barlow!
Dinos House of Burgers is closing. Shut the water off and didn't tell them your where going to do that. (What other problems have you caused.) What's going in there now?. Your cotton candy stand. Oswego needs a new mayor - Barlow's got to go...

June 1/19


documentary coming
Chatter is picking up on this new documentary coming. Many are asking and guessing what the dirty DA will say to get out of this. By the previews alone another Brady Violation and obviously they broke the law prosecuting Gary Thibodeau. Hopefully it's enough to spark arrests by outside forces. June 5th at 7 pm you are not going to want to miss this. There is more coming out than what the preview is telling. Dodd, Oakes, Moody, Todd brothers. You all deserve prison a long with the criminals you are protecting. Hilton what is it you are doing to help anyone. You have also watched this unfold. You truly stand by Todd's conviction? How about Hilton not a one of them has ever been held accountable.

June 1/19


Those flower planters were a waste of tax payers money.
What was the reason to have this flower planters in the first place if all they where going to do was be broken up. A lot of money was wasted that could have been spent on other projects.


June 1/19

Wanted by the New York State Police
Wanted for petit larceny
Delbert J. Shaw is wanted by the New York State Police on a bench warrant issued January 21, 2019 by Sandy Creek Town Court. Shaw is wanted for failure to appear in court on January 3, 2019 for the charge of petit larceny.
SJS Reference # 8710467
Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of this individual, should contact the NEW YORK STATE POLICE ASAP. You SHOULD NOT take any police-action yourself other than to contact the NEW YORK STATE POLICE at (315) 366-6000 or email Crimetip@troopers.ny.gov








Today's Quote May 31/2019




Muller Clarification of How Corrupt Trump is:
Muller's Press Conference and "statements" of 5/29/2019

1) The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.

2) And in the second volume, the report describes the results and analysis of our obstruction of justice investigation involving the president.

3) if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so.

4) We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.

5) The special counsel’s office is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider.

6) the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.

7) It would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

8) I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments: That there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American.
Ref #

1 ...Don Jr. meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower; his statement on dirt on Clinton, "Love it", Donald Sr writing a memo for Don Jr describing the meeting as being about adoption, and Donald Sr "Russia if you are listening, find Clinton's missing e-mails"
3&4 Muller's belief that Trump committed crimes and obstruction against our country
5 because of the policy of the D.O.J. and O.L.C. (office of legal Council) it was unconstitutional for Muller to charge Trump with the crimes he committed.
6 Muller made it perfectly clear...the Constitution requires that Congress prosecute Trump for his obstruction of justice.
7 speaks for itself
8 Muller is screaming at the top of his lungs...Russia is going to corrupt our next election and Trump Administration is doing nothing to stop it! He is league with Putin again; actually still!
I hope the people who voted for this lying, cowardly, corrupt, piece of shit, read the Muller report and understand the damage that you have done to this country by putting Trump in the White House. So those who thinks this hateful person, who calls himself exonerated, remember, it is just one more of his 10,000 Lies.

May 31/19


17.88 oz of Cocaine
On 5-21-2019 Amy L. Emmons 75 Eisenhower St was arrested for possession of a controlled substance 1st degree for possessing 17.88 oz of cocaine. I'm not sure if she is related to Nate Emmons our HUD director and esteemed 15th district legislator for the City of Oswego but if she is he has my sympathy. That's a lot of blow btw. When I was a kid we unloaded cargo at the Port Authority and were the first ones to get our hands on the hashish from the cocoa bean ships. My advice is get the Coast Guard involved and actually get down inside the bilge water and do a little snorkeling.

May 31/19


St Mary's Disco?
Not a bad idea really. The building is nearly soundproof and you wouldn't have to change the name. St "Mary's" already sounds like a gay club. There's also a history of gay sex attached to the property so I think it's a perfect fit.

May 31/19


Barlow's Fake Concern for Downtown Business Owners
Barlow had quite the photo op regarding his 'timely intervention to save an iconic Oswego business from total failure -Stone's Candies- This was a BS distraction to cover his ass over the new Dunkin Donuts that will put SEVERAL downtown businesses OUT OF BUSINESS. Vote Mini-Trump out of office!

May 31/19


Kells you still haven't fixed this! Kells you and Barlow own this and everything else that's messed up in this city. Scuttlebutt has it you spent a lot of time down there because your girlfriend works there. Something about you got your girlfriend a job down there. (Interesting)


May 31/19


School Board Callen president arrested for not removing trash


May 31/19

June 5th 7 pm

Looks like Mulcahy is about to expose the truth a little bit more.

May 31/19


Giant Hogweed
Sorry Kells but Roundup does not kill giant hogweed the flower heads must be removed before they produce seeds then the entire plant has to be DUG up and buried NOT BURNED OR COMPOSTED. NYS has strict guidelines for it's removal I suggest you start reading before some city worker ends up in the hospital. I attached a handy link for you to get started with.

May 31/19

NO State Funds Available for Giant Hogweed Control
Like it says in the header.

May 31/19


Greg's about to be sucker punched. Instead Greg, of having an affair why not investigate your shit case properly. Looks like your office once again hid more information. I hope to God you are arrested soon, along with Moody and Dodd. You lied about many things. Including higher ups. The public will know soon enough.

May 31/19


Most Recent Phone Scam
Yesterday my phone rang and it registered as my name an my number, so out of curiosity, I answered assuming it was a scammer and a recording advised me that the person on the recording was Lisa from Microsoft and that my Microsoft license had been compromised by several countries and I should push #1 on my phone for more information. I hung up and called Spectrum and they were aware of the scam. It seems that the scammer can mask your phone number and name so if you try to have it blocked, you block your own number and nobody can call you. If this scammer calls you, don't answer. I have my answering machine set on the lowest rings (2) so they hang up when it comes on. I have a policy that if someone wants to talk to me, leave a message n the and I will return the call.

May 31/19


Dirty DA
Anyone have any photos of Greg with his affair post them. The dirty bastard deserves to be ousted.

May 31/19


Warning! People walking need to watch out. Dangerous situation.
Sidewalk needs to be closed on the corner of West 5th Street and West Schuyler Street. Stone wall with fence is leaning crumbling. Large stones are missing and one is just lying on the sidewalk. Someone walking by if that wall lets go is going to get hurt. Code Enforcement has been cruising the neighborhood. How come they haven't done anything about this except ride around.

May 31/19






Today's Quote May 30/2019

We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means

which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir,

is not to the strong alone it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.
Patrick Henry

From chicken to tomatoes, here's why American food is hurting you



May 30/19

Erosion at the end of the "trestle" at Wright's Landing
If Barlow and Kells do not do something soon. The city is going to lose the end of the "trestle" and more... Breitbeck Park on the east end has a *swale* in it and Breitbeck Park use to be level across but not any more, the weight of years; snow, rain, people. It's only coal ash under the top soil there - and it is being compressed and undermined. Looks like its beginning to develop a fault line near the McCrobie building.


May 30/19

U.S. academic achievement lags that of many other countries


May 30/19

GOP Tax Law Doing Little For The Economy, Even Less For Workers


May 30/19

While Oswego Law Enforcement was pounding the pavement in the heat and humidity today, Scriba Town Supervisor and the Stupid F*5k Deputy Rob Ramsey Jr. drives behind them in his air conditioned patrol car texting on his cell phone. WTH man? Why were you not running with your fellow law enforcement Ramsey? And even more so, why were you texting on your phone as you drove behind them with your speed limit sign? Do not say you weren’t. We saw you and took video of you, you idiot! You are the biggest loser and coward and you owe me money. Pay up you bast++d child! (AKA Robert "Rusty" Ramsey’s illegitimate son)

New York State’s Cell Phone Law
The use of any hand-held cellular phone while driving is prohibited on any New York road. Anyone who violates this law will be issued a traffic violation. New York State has very specific definitions of what constitutes a handheld device. According to NY law, a handheld device can be a cell phone, personal digital assistant (PDA), laptop, pager, video game console, or any other portable computing or communications device. When you have any of these in your vehicle, you may not use them in any way

May 30/19

That is more like the story they made up to account for their removal and sale on the dark net.

May 30/19


Stinson replies to Timeline
Again, I was not at the store when Swenkowski or Thibodeau were, or when the cash register
recorded a sale as (apparently ) 7:42.
Correction to your post: It was 4 days later (on the 7th) that we discovered the cash register
time had to be set each day. If I remember (after 25 yrs) The clerks knew it “has been” broken.
See my post 10/7/18 on this site. And I posted everything I know about this case on 9/14/18

May 30/19







Today's Quote May 29/2019

You cannot give up on the American dream.

We cannot allow our fears and our disappointments to lead us into silence and into inaction.
Marco Rubio

St. Peter's and St. Paul's cemeteries
You will NEVER see St. Peter's and St. Paul's cemeteries get the attention that they deserve. These two cemeteries are the toilet cemeteries of the Catholic Cemeteries of the Syracuse Diocese because they do not carry enough revenue to support the upkeep.( Yes, it is all about the money.) They managed to remove any local employee that was to oversee the cemeteries, who knew the history, cared about the Oswego community, and replaced them by someone in Syracuse, who doesn't know a thing of the cemeteries history nor do they care. Just try and go to the office to get help....nobody is ever there. As far as any genealogy research or history of the cemeteries? Clueless. Do not put blame on the workers there. They do the best they can with what they have. Call the office of St. Peter's through the main office at the Catholic Cemeteries of Syracuse with your complaints.

May 29/19


Is it true that the City of Oswego purchased the banned carcinogen Roundup in large quantities from a city fireman? Do they plan to continue poisoning us?

May 29/19


Dog Park Scam
As we all knew the City of Oswego already had a dog park! It was designated as such over 20 years ago and has remained unused the entire time.It's located within the city limits right across the street from ex-alderman Sharkey's old house! The current administration REMOVED the trash can and dog waste bag dispenser but the IDIOTS forgot to remove the SIGN! See attached photo.


May 29/19


Hooray For Barlow!?
Word is that he 'donated' loaned? the confederate cannons to the State of NY dept. of parks where they will be restored and proudly displayed at Ft.Ontario where they belong! This is the ONLY reason that I would vote for him. I hope for his sake that the rumor is true!

May 29/19


St.Mary's Disco?
The real property value of St.Mary's is much higher than the current valuation. Pauldine is drooling over the possibility that he can steal St.Mary's for peanuts.Too bad I've sent every single piece of negative info on the man to the archdiocese of Syracuse warning them not to sell to another pedo/hebephile because it would appear that they favor their own kind. They don't need anymore publicity in that area. I can picture what he'd do to St.Mary's - Gay bar in altar area called "The Rectumry" is the first thing that came to mind. The archdiocese will NOT sell the property cheap. They will have the property value reassessed from a historical perspective. It's the building itself not the lot that's worth a small fortune.What would it cost to build the same church from the ground up at today's costs? I'm guessing around 5 mil.


May 29/19

They will hold a big auction selling anything of value then dump the building for whatever they can get. Every nickle and dime they can get their hands on goes into housing or long term care for the massive wave of baby boomers that are in the HOME stretch.
Of course another possibility is letting the building rot until it falls down. By itself the church probably has little value but the nunnery and school could easily be converted to apartments and there is lots of parking.



Timeline at the D&W
"I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42"...Stinson
The clock was discovered broken 7 days after. This does not mean it was broken the day Heidi went missing.

I have re-read Bivens' statement to the cops..wow. I will post his story and you can see that his testimony should have been scratched.

May 29/19

Greg Oakes
Hey Greg, you have a wife and kids, leave the women alone who work around you.
Do you think you are safe and can do anything you want? People are talking about
your affair! What a sorry excuse for a DA!

May 29/19


Nice perks you get for free working for the city. Sideline jobs for these clowns.
Kells had this “wagon” built at the DPW garage. Then taken out to Kells property in Scriba for a “Halloween” party. Kells’, Barlow made money at the Oswego taxpayer’s expense. In addition, how did two of the cities flower planters end up in front of a “Clerk of the Works”, Robert McGraths bar. “Spencer’s Ali”? In addition, there is more! Like what was going on with a rental property at the "Forks of the Road"?

May 29/19


To Stitson.
I personally believe you gave great detail and were very stern on your time even though it butted the heads of the Sheriffs. I've always said to anyone I personally have spoken to about this case that you were not only honest you let the cat out of the bag about things being broken. If it wasn't for you no one would even have known the cash register was broken. Your time is what blows the Sheriffs lies about their time line out of the water. I give you credit for standing by your testimony then and now.

May 29/19






Today's Quote May 28/2019

This, then, is the test we must set for ourselves;

not to march alone but to march in such a way that others will wish to join us.

Hubert H. Humphrey

St. Peter's cemetery
What a disgrace. This is what we saw on Memorial Day at St. Peter's cemetery---

No water was turned on for the most popular planting day of the year. No WATER! NONE Available for plants AT ALL.
Unkempt grounds
Uncut grass
Some sections haphazardly cut, and others with grass over a foot long.
Overturned headstones, and many that have toppled of their base. By the looks of these, for years they have lay there in disrespect. One I saw read- MOTHER. Clearly laying on the ground.
HUGE branches, sticks and debris all along the north boundry of the cemetery. The north Fenceline completely overrun with dead ground cover and downfall..

Bent and mangled ( by mowers or weed eaters) veteran of war ground pole memorial signs.
Some with flags many without.
Garbage cans heaping full to overflowing, bags of clippings and old plant residue piled next to garbage cans.. Bags and bags.
The main office closed up, no one on grounds.

Yeah, probably the CATHOLIC CHURCH doesn't have the FUNDS ( extreme laughter here) to hire an extra mower, weed eater maintenance worker during the spring growing season, right? Or just for MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND?
Or staff the office for the visitors that need help in finding a passed loved ones plot.
Or have extra hands to remove the massive amount of debris that would be Expected On MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

Just driving through and observing one can view these CHURCH going local, well known names on many. MANY headstones and just know how many VERY many HUGEdonations were made to Oswego's churches through the past century.

Have you ever seen a Catholic priest driving a beat up, unkempt, dirty junky bent fender vehicle?
Yeah, me either.


May 28/19

Traffic light now a 4 way stop 10th & Utica
Having read many comments here that a few people seem to agree a full traffic light was not needed, I want to mention how wrong and uninformed you are.

I can view 10th and Utica from my home. Sit on my stoop for 15 minutes any day, any time. Within 5 minutes you will see near misses, and hear much horn blowing. You will witness drivers that have clearly forgotten how traffic legally behaves at a 4 way stop. Or they- with today's " self entitled behavior " just dont care.
Don't forget the many huge trucks that screech and air brake their way through their also. Pedestrians trying to cross? Oh well!
You also don't see the back up of vehicles on their way down Utica street hill which blocks side streets from 3 30 to 5 30 daily. And race nights? Forget it. It's a free for all. Every 5 minutes there is a near miss.
Great entertainment tho.

May 28/19


Giant Hogweed Warning
Giant Hogweed is here in case you didn't know. I was told it's been here for awhile and it's being ignored. There's some growing along the access road to the right of 385 Duer St If you'd like to take a selfie. It's already 6 feet tall and hasn't flowered yet. It may also be along the creek behind the Ryan's way neighborhood. I'm not sure some neighborhood kids said they saw it there. I couldn't walk that far because I couldn't risk the dog walking into all that poison ivy and oak that's everywhere this year.

May 28/19


One four day weekend out of the entire year when families make a special effort to take care of the graves of their loved ones and these cheap bastards in the Catlick church cant even get it right.

May 28/19


North Korea Calls John Bolton ‘War Monger’ Over Missile Comment


May 28/19






Today's Quote May 27/2019

Courage is fear holding on a minute longer.
George S. Patton

Barlow should keep a tighter leash on his sister and girlfriend spotted together in public with some other very young girls drunk off their asses acting like complete idiots. Are they even old enough to drink or did barlow pull strings? Someone should have checked id's. Next time they should lay off whatever else they were on too. You can't pick your family but the mayor has interesting taste, keeping it classy oswego!


May 27/19

Stinson replies;
I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42. And be
gone when I showed up. I also saw a red station wagon (Hers), rain/absolutely no snow, (sorry
other eyewitnesses) and a newspaper on the floor behind the register counter. My entire
statement can be read on this site 9/14/18.

May 27/19


Sarah “ F**KABEE” Sanders is an Idiot
Sarah Fuckabee Sanders has no clue what the f%&k she is talking about. She made a stupid statement that “If the Obama Administration did their job we would not have a problem with North Korea now”. Mrs. F**kabee , the Korea War ended 29 years before you were born and there were 66 years of Presidential Administrations since that time. The following “Real Presidents” used sanctions and Quiet Patience to deal with the North Korea Problem: Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, Trump. So mentally unstable Trump starts calling Kim “Little Rocket Man” taunting him on twitter with threats and he thinks this is the way to get them to denuclearize. Seems they told Donny to go F%&K himself. This is a way to start a nuclear war Mrs. F**kabee. For your information, 50,000 soldiers were killed in Korea and taunting this regime could result in millions killed in that region. Maybe Mrs. F**kabee should go back to school and learn a little history. She is just a stupid lying little lap dog for Trump.

I must disagree most adamantly. I can not think of anything about that oaf that is “little”.





Today's Quote May 25-26/2019

The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living.
Marcus Tullius Cicero

If only OZ had heros
When killers walk among us unknown and unpunished we are unsafe. And then we that know, will become just like them because they got away with it. We need to speak out they need to be punished for their crimes.
Remember our children are watching and learning there are consequences for our actions and inactions! Will our children become just like them because we let them go unpunished?
Let's raise our standards and we shall raise the standards of those who surround us. Let's raise our children to know right from wrong to speak out when wrong is committed. We still have time to correct those mistakes let's start now.
We work hand in hand as we are not father and son but brothers.
Let's work together and fix many things.
As always PLEASE SHARE. -Tammy Mahoney Family.

May 25-26/19


Re: Wastewater
Who can forget the broken water main on W. Utica St ...? It wasn’t shut off and repaired for over a month because those two jackasses Kells and Barlow. They didn’t know where the water shut off was or what the hell they are doing. Wasted tax payers money.

May 25-26/19

Congratulations to the Catholic Church And To Its Minions
Your record for worst kept cemeteries is still unblemished.


May 25-26/19

Memorial Day is Not For Cowards: Donald
New York Times: Daughters of foot doctor say he diagnosed Trump with bone spurs as 'favor' to Fred Trump .Dr. Larry Braunstein, a podiatrist who died in 2007, often told the story of providing Donald Trump with the diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels so he could be exempt from military service, his two daughters -- Dr. Elysa Braunstein and Sharon Kessel -- told the New York Times.
Monday we celebrate Memorial Day to honor those who served in the service and to honor those who made the "ultimate sacrifice" for their country. To see Donald Trump, the illegitimate U.S. President even set foot in Arlington National Cemetery makes me want to throw-up. This man, who scammed his way out of serving in Vietnam has NO right to set foot in that cemetery, where truly brave men are laid to rest in service of their country. He should not EVER officiate any celebration on Memorial Day, especially the laying of the wreath at the Unknown Soldiers Tomb. I put him in the same category as Jane Fonda, a traitor to her country. Maybe they could stand side by side at the laying of the wreath ceremony.
I am truly sickened by the thought of this scum bag is honoring any veteran anywhere in this country. I would hope that the family members of the fallen from all wars would never cast a vote for this national coward. Vietnam Veterans and their family members only need to read the above New York Times article to know that casting a vote for him is dishonoring every person who severed in Vietnam. Think about that when you cast your vote in 2020.

May 25-26/19


After thought about the time line....
days later (April 7th) Investigator Hall and I repeated this drive. He was trying to
narrow the time that was unaccounted for. We put my arrival at 7:41. Estimated by My house

Said he was there at 7:41, Swenkowski said he also was there at 7:41 and even held the door Richard to walk in.

Stinson said he wasn't there before Richard but at 7:41 he should have seen Swen or Richard. How can both their watches say 7:41 and Stinson's house clock agrees with him getting there at 7:41 as per a test run with a deputy 7 days later.

Swen saw Richard, Stinson didn't see anyone..no one but he was there the same time as Swen.??????

SO: Richard, Swenkowski, Stinson all there at the same time but no one saw anything. Well that's because the case was fixed, witnesses NEVER said they saw a white and black van there, cars, red truck there after the crime and Stinson swears he never saw any of this from 7:41 to 7:58 when cop was flagged down.

Were any of the "three" asked to take a polygraph?
Jenn says she didn't know any of them but baby sat and lived and went to Florida with Roger after the crime...but she didn't know any of them.

This has to be a cover up because no could be that stupid to actually believe her....the OCSD did, I wonder why.

TIC TOC ,TIC TOC...people you can write an unsigned with no return address to Lisa P. if you know the truth...just don't tell anyone.

May 25-26/19

Barr Got More Power to Review the Russia Inquiry. Here’s What We Know About Its Origins.


May 25-26/19

East !0th and Utica
I live right here and they should change the STOP signs to YIELD signs, what a joke !!!!!!!!!!

May 25-26/19


U.S. Attorney’s Office
Northern District of New York


Former Superintendent of Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant Pleads Guilty to Clean Water Act Violation
Gary Hallinan Admits He Negligently Allowed Polluted Water to Flow into Lake Ontario

SYRACUSE, NEW YORK – Gary Hallinan, age 61, of Oswego, New York, pled guilty yesterday in federal court in Syracuse to negligently discharging wastewater from the City of Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant into Lake Ontario in violation of the Clean Water Act on three dates between March 2015 and June 2015, announced United States Attorney Grant C. Jaquith, Tyler Amon, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Criminal Investigation Division (EPA-CID) in New York, and Bernard Rivers, Director of Law Enforcement, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC).

In pleading guilty, Hallinan admitted that in December 2014, while he was the Superintendent of the Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant, the plant’s centrifuge, an essential piece of equipment to process wastewater and remove untreated or improperly treated sewage, stopped operating. As a result, the plant could no longer properly remove sewage from its wastewater. Over the next five months, Hallinan, as the superintendent of the plant, failed to take action to remove sewage from the plant’s wastewater or to report the broken centrifuge to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. As a result of the defendant’s negligence, the Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant discharged wastewater containing solid sewage in violation of its permit under the Clean Water Act. These discharges took place on March 1, 2015; June 19, 2015; and June 23, 2015. The concentration of solid matter in the water discharged into Lake Ontario on June 23, 2015, was approximately 60 times higher than allowed by the plant’s permit.

The charge to which Hallinan pled guilty yesterday carries a maximum penalty of up to 1 year in prison, a fine of up to $100,000, and a term of supervised release of up to 1 year. The defendant will be sentenced on September 24, 2019 by United States Magistrate Judge David E. Peebles. A defendant’s sentence is imposed by a judge based on the particular statute the defendant is charged with violating, the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, and other factors.

This case was investigated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Criminal Investigation Division (EPA-CID), the New York State DEC, Division of Law Enforcement and Bureau of Environmental Crimes Investigation Unit (BECI), and is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Michael F. Perry.

May 25-26/19


Where was the City of Oswego construction inspector who was supposed top be overseeing this fiasco.
Way to go Barlow another fine job by your administration. *Can anything of these big construction projects going on around Oswego now be safe for public use?*
It was only by chance that someone wasn't crushed by this falling wall, and the tax payers hit with another lawsuit!


May 25-26/19

An Ode To a Stupid "Orange Fat Man" in the White House
"He who knows, and knows he knows, is a wise man, follow him
He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep, awaken him
He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool, shun him"
Donald Trump, self proclaimed genius, knows not that he knows not and should be removed from office either by impeachment or through the 25th amendment, due to his inability to perform his duty due to mental illness.
The Republican Senate should also be removed from office for supporting a known racists, liar, misogynist, criminal who f$%ked this country up.
Just remember, the economy was put in place 8 years before he was accidently put in office. His give away to the 1% richest people in the country put us in debt by two trillion dollars and the middle class got no benefit from it other that we and our kids will have to pay it down. the stock market might be doing good and unemployment is down, but the jobs being offered do not pay a living wage. Now his stupid trade war is raising prices on just about everything, which is nothing more than a tax increase, and the middle class is feeling the pain.
It was a bad experiment to place an idiot in office by 30 percent of the haters, and it is now time for this fool to craw back into his rat hole, along with the rest of his evangelical haters and get back to a working government with intelligent people running it.

May 25-26/19

Sewage Treatment
Why has the city hired incompetent engineers
Why doesn't the city sue the engineers that designed the failed equipment
Why doesn't the city hire competent engineer
Why is the only engineer on city payrolls history a crook
Hint “TL”
WHY hasnt this administration hired an engineer thats honest????????
Why why why

May 25-26/19

In Baltimore and Beyond, a Stolen N.S.A. Tool Wreaks Havoc


May 25-26/19

I think this is a wonderful idea

May 25-26/19








Today's Quote May 24/2019

If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.
Henry David Thoreau



Former Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant Manager

admits to polluting water in Lake Ontario




It was reported here that Federal officials raided the Oswego Sewage Treatment Plant with guns drawn and had employees lined up in the hallway under guard while they were interrogated and documents were removed. The City of Oswego retaliated against the whistleblower who as I understood lost his job. Lets hope he got a good lawyer and sued. Below is a post from October 2015. The person referred to as "Rita" was personnel director Rita Tickle and the mayor I believe was that dope Gilligan. Those two unsuccessfully tried to cover it all up. My question would be how much did or will the taxpayers have to pay in fines for their incompetence and corruption and what about Anthony Leotta who over saw the operation at those plants.




This was a post from 2015

Wow, just checked out google earth. What an amazing overhead view they have of the lake. Don't know the date of the picture, but it say's 2015. Go ahead and check out the east side wastewater plant 71 mercer street. Nice view of the overstocked shit on hand in the aeration tanks, they are the 8 tanks about in the middle of the place. The north 2 and the south 2 are normally not on line, but since the centrifuge is still not working, and management is still not trucking the shit out of there it will probably end up in the lake like several other  times this year( VIDIO coming). Even if the centrifuge was working, they don't have enough employee's to run it because no one wants to work at a unmanaged place, micromanaged by the bosses kid and no one want's to do all superman's work while he play's on his phone or babysits his kids at work. Even without superman the operator's are so underpaid they  don't want to do anything as they are understaffed and overworked. They have to carry a wastewater licence, and  a drivers licence and have the responsibility of reporting things to DEC and protecting our lake, but barely make more money than future  McDonald's workers are being offered. Back to google earth, zoom in and see how clear the water is east and west of the plant and how brown the lake is in front of the plant, but what did you expect, look in the parking lot looks like a black dodge to me. I wish Gary would  bring his goat to westside plant to eat the grass before they have to hire someone to bale it as hay, but maybe he's using it for something else!  Signed FOOFM(that stands for f**ked out of fifteen minutes).PS if Rita had done her job none of this would be happening.



Wells Fargo, TD Bank have already given Trump-related financial documents to Congress




May 24/19

Tammy Mahoney
Would like to thank everyone there upstate, including those currently in law enforcement who are actively seeking the truth and to those who continue to push us along that are helping and wanting to see Tammy and her family get justice. Tammy was such a trusting, sweet young woman who was very loved by her family, classmates and community. We look forward to the day we may have a memorial for Tammy and seek not just the Justice but for the peace she and her family deserves. It truly is sad that there are people who knew what happened, who were there, know the details of the cover-up and they lived their lives thinking this was okay and nobody would care. They are so wrong. They led their lives thinking that you could go to the grave with this...well, the gig is up folks.. no matter Who you are.....I can promise you someday I will see you with your new presents....courtesy of the U.S. and New York State law enforcement agencies: a beautiful brand new shiny set of Schackles along with a brand new 6x6 condo in a penitentiary. Looking forward to the day this dark cloud has moved on over the nations and the communities there.
Enough is Enough!
“ Those that have the truth have the Justice”

May 24/19


Reply to phone records
I think it would have been important for LE to see if someone (Heidi) may have called LE for a drug deal happening in the lot. That would explain why Curtis just happened to be going in the direction of the D&W. Might explain the red truck and two tone Bronco at the store AFTER the time Richard made his purchase and before Stinson arrived at the store. Such a stretch but...we don't really know the true timeline of events. There has been so much contradiction from LE, the register, witness statements, testimony.

May 24/19


Warren, Ocasio-Cortez Unleash Fury Over Steve Mnuchin's Role In Sears Downfall

May 24/19

Trump's History Shows He Sucks At Deal Making
This orange A$$hole couldn't make a deal if it was handed to him. He lost $1.7 billion in ten years in failed business deals and had to get bailed out by his brother and sister by a loan of $50,000,000 to pay off his debt so he wouldn't go bankrupt! Now he gets totally over his head with a trade war with Chinia and they are eating his shorts for him. Now he has to pay the farmers $16,000,000,000 (billion) from our taxes, because they have been hurt so bad by this stupid trade war and it is bankrupting them. The farmers now have no market for their produce, and the tariffs placed on their product that they can sell to Chinia, makes their produce almost worthless. These farmers are the ones that helped put him in office; so, how do you like this asshole now!!! It's too bad we have to subsidize the farmers because of bad deal making by the Orange A$$hole. Vote him out of office in 2020 before he completely destroys our economy.

May 24/19


How many places is the Oswego city code enforcement officer checking in clay?
Must be hard for the city code enforcement officer to be checking on houses in Oswego when he has a city issue car on 57 in clay at 31. No wonder pedophile Pauline is getting away with the unlicensed asbestos abatement in town or the fact that on West 5th Street, there is a college apartment house falling on to the house next door and the city does nothing and the landlord keeps renting it out. This is a great way for the city of Oswego tax dollars to be used.


May 24/19






Today's Quote May 23/2019

"I think the most important thing is transparency"
Donald J Trump

Wow! It is a good thing this man is so transparent, imagine if he were not?


Chasing a Dream Leads Rubley to the Triple Crown


May 23/19

reply...why didn't anyone get phone records...
Did anyone EVER get the phone log from the pay phone at the D&W on April 3, 1994?

Let's face it, we can go on and on about this case. The bottom and the truth is county issued cars going into the airport at 4 AM. We know the coke was coming in thru the airport....2+2 does not = 22.

This case was thrown and corrupt to save certain people, poossibly county officials etc etc etc.

All that was wrong with this railroading of an innocent man...certain people knew the "three" did it and they did all they could to cover it up.

I remember reading in 2014 that when the deputy arrived someone said he said I have to go get that van. But a person said that no one mentioned a van...hmmmmm.

Only chance is Lisa wins the Wrongful death appeal and the FBI investigates. Think Lisa being a Federal Defender may have enough pull to get them involved?

Todd didn't want them, but the National Guard was brought in to search.

Tell us Todd, why you refused the FBI's help? Scared?


In case you get caught, was it worth it, innocent man, murder for money?



May 23/19




Today's Quote May 22/2019

“Experience is never at bargain price.”
Alice B. Toklas

China Pens a Viral Trade War Fight Song


May 22/19

Did anyone EVER get the phone log from the pay phone at the D&W on April 3, 1994?
One would think that if Dodd could subpoena the phone records from out-of-state (MA) that he could/should have gotten the records from that pay phone. Heck, an officer got the register tape from April 2, 1994 in August 1994. Why wouldn’t anyone get the pay phone records? Weren’t pay phones back then able to receive calls? Hmmm, Mike Bohrer had a pager (from police notes). He was out on the town with his friend the night of April 2, 1994. I bet, Ms. Montgomery the bartender witness whose testimony was struck by the Appellate Division in 1999, really saw Bohrer and his friend at her bar.

Why in this world would anyone believe Bivens’ account of what he saw? (Dodd, you did a lousy job coaching this witness for those of us with an above average intelligence who have independently sought the Truth.) Unfortunately, not for the jurors. Looking back on his testimony, it doesn’t make sense nor is it logical or possible. Don’t worry, I know, it’s OK for witnesses or suspects to lie as long as it fits the narrative, right Greg?

Yeah, the fat lady did sing after she was confronted with the taped phone call in which Greg was sitting in on the interview. But you see, a lawyer is there to protect your rights and when you are a pathological liar the only option to appear to tell the truth is to negotiate immunity for your testimony. Why is it that Sharon Thibodeau wasn’t believed when she testified under immunity but Jennifer Wescott was? I’ll tell you the differences-1) Sharon was testifying for the Defense and 2) She was (falsely) charged with perjury before Gary’s trial. No one cared that Jennifer would, obviously, lie to police to try to get out of trouble…compare her involvement with Heidi’s case and her past charge about lying about a stolen appliance.

You, Sheriff’s, that still believe Greg, Dodd and Rules bs garbage about Heidi’s disappearance SUCK. Even Greg has been publicly shown to be a liar…the faux pas about “complete lack’ of physical evidence in Richard’s van, falsely accusing a reporter and former investigator of disturbing soil in an area similar to Steen’s confession, falsifications on filings and in front of the Appeals judges, etc…Pray that the new administration doesn’t suck and can succeed where Rule failed..

May 22/19





Today's Quote May 21/2019

Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught.
Honore de Balzac

Don't piss off the wife she throws shoes
The woman can never keep her mouth shut.
No matter what anybody says, she's got to argue ALL THE TIME!
The ramsey wife is a pissant just like rob is. Yet she manages to beat the hell out of the little guy when he does not conform. Can someone say “insecure dysfunctional morons” ?!?!


May 21/19

Response to The Red Sun employee
I am not the only one that witnessed the owners attitude. You also stated I highly doubt she would do this graduation weekend. What the hell difference the day of the week or function have to do with it? You obviously had the night off or working in a different area. Since I posted this I talked to a few people and this is not the only time this has happened. I'm glad an employee saw this posting so they can tell the owner they saw something online. She doesn't like to be questioned about anything as she thinks she wrote the book. The bottom line is she needs to be more professional when scoulding an employee in front of other employees and her customers. She also needs to wear a hair net as she runs back and forth between businesses and helps serving food as required by law. They share the same kitchen and a pony tail doesn't count as a hair net miss perfect.

May 21/19


Mr supervisor scriba, you are not alone
Domestic violence against men - Battered Men: Shame May Keep them Silent.


May 21/19

Deutsche Bank Staff Saw Suspicious Activity in Trump and Kushner Accounts

May 21/19

Ok so who would one call for help with continuous speeding in a school ? The city has been called , chamber meetings have been done , superintendent emails and phone calls have gone in answered and of course calls to 911 answered but but nobody shows up to do anything ... I would love to be able to call an out of city place so something can maybe get done for the safety of these kids . Thank you

May 21/19


Red Sun
That woman puts the “B” in bitch.
Others would say she pots the “C” in c++t.

May 21/19


Tammy Mahoney
I too commend Tammy Mahoney friends and family for being a voice for those who can not. Thank you for even helping spread Heidi story. Keep up the positive work.

Reply to early voting
Republicans are against early voting because college students and minorities typically vote democrat...that's why they tried to stop polling stations close to universities in the bigger cities.

I ask you....doesn't everyone have the right to vote, early or later? Republicans don't do anything for the poor or the middle class..only the rich and the corporations. You'll see when they cut taxes again for the corporations how it affects the states and cities. Money collected from taxes gets distributed to states for roads, hospitals, schools and social programs. PSSSSSSSSSSSSST and you yourself will be on Social Security and Medicare when you get of age...and you have to take both, it's that law.

Oh yeah you mentioned gas money and 70 mile drives to Oswego, will it be shorter in November or the same distance.

Your argument is a waist of time.

May 21/19


Old City Hall
Decided to head there for lunch. It's always been a great place to eat and the food was very good. Notice the new menus with higher prices and missing some of those favorites So we ordered one chicken wrap one hamburger and 6 tacos. And 4 waters. That's it. Bill was $45.00. I'm thinking wtf No wonder the place was empty at lunch time. Word to the wise If it's not broken Don't fix it. Won't be going back

May 21/19


Judge Rules Against Trump In Financial Records Dispute With Congress


May 21/19

Please share with anyone that lived in the Rochester NY area

Gone Missing
Please share with Bishop Kearney alumni class of 1983.

$5,000 Reward to identify Bishop Kearney, blonde girl missing since September 1979.

In September 1979 a Bishop Kearney (Rochester, NY) girl went missing. She was a ninth or tenth grader. At the time she may have been considered a runaway and she does not appear to be listed as on the national registry.

She willingly got into a silver 1968 Cutlass with a seventeen-year-old acquaintance named Dan. He drove her to his house in Ontario, New York, where he had what he called a fort in the woods on the property. He has confessed to killing her to several people. A few weeks later he burned his fort to the ground to get rid of the evidence of her murder.

This girl may have lived near Goodman Street and possibly Hillcrest Street. She is believed to have been blonde with glasses and walked to school.

She may not have been well established at Bishop Kearney but someone in the classes of '82 and '83 may remember a girl who stopped coming to school in early September of her freshman or possibly her sophomore year.

Any former friends of Dan should take seriously his confessions of murdering this girl. Several have come forward already. Please notify Detective Sergeant Kevin Kuntz of the Wayne County Sheriffs Office 315-946-5781 or this page.

Funny how this detective is taking a man's confession to others very serious. Mean while in OZ Joakes stands by his pathetic beliefs on Gary Thibodeau. OZ seems to run completely different compared to the rest of the nation. Maybe Oz needs more investigators like Kevin Kuntz to fix the mess the Sheriff's made.


May 21/19




With each passing day this Trump circus is looking more and more like Nixon and Watergate. If it looks like he can not hold off the congressional committee or the NY Southern District he will resign right after making a deal with Pence to pardon his looser ass. Everyone will end up disbarred or in jail except Trump.


May 21/19





Today's Quote May 20/2019

Courage is fire, and bullying is smoke.
Benjamin Disraeli

Ignorant Trump Supporter
I had the displeasure of following an old junking small black pickup truck with a Trump MAGA sticker on the back cab window. It was driven by a woman who was at least 60 and smoke was pouring out the window. She had her grey hair pulled in a ponytail and it was easy to see she weighed well over 200. I couldn't see her face, but be rest assured, she was probably toothless. She was heading W on Utica St over the bridge and had to stop for the light at W 1st and Utica. As she took off she threw her cigarette out the window along with the empty pack onto the road. What an ignorant slob and so typical of what a Trump supporter looks like.in Oswego County. They are the ones that don't believe in protecting the environment and will ruin it for the rest of us. In a few years her smoking will cause heart problems and possibly lung cancer and she will be looking for the free heath care that Trump keeps promising which will never happen. This is the picture I see when I think of the typical, uneducated, ignorant, low class, trump supporter, in Oswego County and across the country. People like her put that racist, lying, ignorant, stupid piece of orange $hit in the white house. He and Katko must go!!!

May 20/19


Early Voting in Oswego County is an expensive joke
Early voting will be ok for those who live in, or close to Oswego, but is a complete joke for the those in the north country. Imagine, if you live in Red Field, Sandy Creek, Albion and want to early vote, you will have to drive up to 35 miles (70) round trip to the Board of Elections in Oswego City, as that will be the only polling location. The BOE will be open and paying employees overtime to man this poll on the week end, and if you have business in Oswego it might be worth your time. Would it not make more sense to have three polls open for the people who whish to vote early during that ten day period. There should be one on the City of Oswego, one around Phoenix and one north of Mexico to make it convent for people to drive to early voting location. So if you live in Red Field and want to vote early, plan on spending about $10.00 (70 miles round trip, at 20 miles to the gallon X $2.80/gal) not counting your time and wear and tear on your vehicle.
Aren't you glad you can vote early now. What an F'ing Joke this will be!

May 20/19


Red sun
To the person that wrote about the Red Sun ~ I am a long time employee of The Red Sun and I highly doubt that happened ! First of all it was graduation weekend! My boss is a fair person that runs a tight ship, that’s why she is successful at both of her businesses ! And trust me, you and your friends combined couldn’t hurt her businesses! lol - grow up !

May 20/19


Res. to John Katko Editorial on 5/19
You are absolutely 110% right on about John Katko, the man who said that he would represent all people when he was looking for votes to defeat Balter. He is a disgrace to his constituents for sitting back and doing absolutely nothing at all. As you stated "You think that he would know obstruction when he sees it". Well he does and he dam well knows it just as the majority of Trumps Puppets that occupy seats in the Senate. They are deathly afraid of not only "King Trump" whom the majority of Republican Senators bow to, but they are scared to death that the dwindling Republican supporters will not vote for them if they do not defend this "Dictator of what appears to be an illegitiment President. One Republican Senator that took time to read the entire 448 page Mueller Report, Justin Amash has publicly stated that "Yes Trump should be impeached" It is so hard to believe that all these Senators that took an oath are continuing to refuse to honor it. In my opinion it is time to put political affiliation aside and do what is right for our Country and not defend a misfit President who willing accepted help a foreign advisory. I would suggest that starting with Mitch "The Glitch" McConnell on voting each and everyone out next election. We need representation for the people not one who is illegitiment, calls everyone names and has lied to the people over 10,000 times!


May 20/19







Today's Quote May 19/2019

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves,

and wiser people so full of doubts.
Bertrand Russell

John Katko
Having been a US Attorney you would think John Katko would know obstruction when he sees it but he continues to remain silent while his FAKE president tramples the Constitution and thumbs his nose at the American people.


Katko proves to us all day by day he cannot be trusted to honor the oath of office he took. He cannot be trusted to defend the constitution.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will
support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."


May 19/19


Redefining of self-interest; ROBBIE RAMSEY

May 19/19

Robbie why did you even run for Scriba Town Supervisor?

You know as everyone else knows that you are not in this role for the constituents. You could care less about the people. Be honest with yourself at least. You ran and surprisingly became Town Supervisor for accolades in order to have some type of an acknowledgment of merit.

When have you ever, truly devoted yourself unselfishly to public service? You don’t give a crap about the community. You only care about you. You and your code enforcement bullshit are a joke. You enforce just enough to make sure it “looks” as if you are cleaning up the town, but you don’t really care. Do you? No matter how much you try to make yourself believe that you do. You don’t. Even more so, you’re constantly complaining about all the time you are managing all your town's functions. Do you know how exhausting it is to listen to you complain about the same things over and over? For God’s sake, shut the f%ck up! You complain about the same things over and over and over… I do not like you and have zero respect for you and your role as Scriba Town Supervisor.

You are driven by “personal gratification” and “survival of the competitive”. Sincere and true good people are the ones that are DOING things for other people; they sacrifice and risk exploitation, and they still do it because making a real positive difference and helping others, “actually becomes personally fulfilling and inspiring.”

As far as your home life, your affairs, screwing at a local barn brothel, abusing your authority to hand out PC’s to win votes; no one really gives a crap. It is entreating at best. First off, I don’t know your wife personally, the comments about how ugly she is, I will agree, she is one hideous looking woman; I have also heard that she is a mouse and wouldn’t hurt a fly. She looks more submissive than someone that is emasculating. You are no prize yourself. You are a pairable couple. Do you use the whole emasculation as an excuse for attention? As far as your affairs, everyone has them around here. It happens, people get bored with their significant other and need some extra attention and once they get caught, their significant other suddenly pays attention to them; life is good until the boredom sets in again and it starts all over. Every cheating husband wife story is the same, just different names and places, including your local Lake Elizabeth barn brothel. Your PC's do not get your friendship that you so desperatly want.

May 19/19


ROB RAMSEY, you've gone from thinking you are a badass to just a bad person…
• Sometimes, when I consider what tremendous consequences come from small things, I am tempted to think…there are no little things. (no pun intended, i.e., Rob Ramsey)

• You've heard people muttering behind your back that you're a "basic douche-bag" – and you secretly high fived yourself.

• You are the little guy that screams of sarcasm – in fact, you find it challenging to have a conversation without including some element of mockery.

• People know to avoid you if you're having one of your "moods" (you know the ones where you glare at anyone who tries to approach you. What is your saying? Isn't it... "if they back you up into a corner you will chew through them like a rat."

• You don't feel guilt or remorse – remorselessness is for pussies as you so proudly have said over and over.

• You are racist, sexist, ageist, fashion-ist… if you can add an ist to it – chances are you're it.

• You deep down loathe your wife, the one that doesn't smile – and try to emulate her at all times.

• You don't forgive. Nor do you forget.

• You are the master of manipulation… and you love this quality about yourself.

• You intentionally and personally single-handedly hurt two of the most kindest, most beautiful, compassionate people. You honestly have no shame, no remorse for what you did to them and that in its self is loathsome. How could you be such a hateful, hurtful human being, and do what you have done? You know EXACTLY what this refers.

• You scoff at anyone that is doing better than you in life.

• You can't help but smile when someone is telling you something horrible that has happened to them.

• If someone tells you a secret, you can't wait for them to leave your presence so you can tell everyone about it.

• You've been known to use community resources to benefit your personal agenda.

• You basically choose your friends on how you can use them to be of benefit to you.

• You are the first point of call if one of your friends is looking for vengeance advice – you always come up with the best plans.

• You enjoy watching other people in pain or squirming out of awkward situations.

• You know how to cut someone down in 3 seconds flat.

• You have no empathy for others – nor do you want any.

• You see no harm in telling a white lie… or any lie, for that matter.

• You like to have a posse around you at all times – and you have to be the leader.

• You've totally nailed the ability to use humor to insult people… and get away with it every time.

• You refuse to admit you're responsible for anything that's gone wrong – it's 100% definitely always someone else's fault.

• You frequently interrupt people while they're speaking and only talk about yourself.

• You boast about yourself and what you think are your accomplishments.

• You chew loudly, which is annoying as hell, especially with your gum. (chew with your mouth closed is a general rule of thumb)

• You are acting egoistically for an intrinsic reward; being self-centered and preoccupied with yourself and the gratification of your OWN desires; as YOU ARE entirely self-centered.

• "The devil is in the details." Content is not the fine in which we read on this forum of print, and it certainly is not how to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

EVERYTHING will eventually come out, with EVERY DETAIL. It is all about the "RIGHT TIME AND PLACE" flowing, consistent, and well-put-together

May 19/19


Speaking of compromising situations .....Hummmm

May 19/19


The Red Sun Resturant
I could not believe I was sitting at the bar and I watched the owner
Ms. O'Brien belittle an employee in front of her customers and other employees. How unprofessional, rude and inconsiderate. I will never support a so called high and mighty individual. I will tell all my friends and relatives to pass it on to Boycott her establishments. I truly feel sorry for her employees. She needs some management training as the only one saving her ass is the Chef's and long time Baker.


May 19/19



Today's Quote May 17-18/2019

If you ask me anything I don't know, I'm not going to answer.
Yogi Berra

Pray for Gary
Some of you involved in Gary Thibodeau are growing nervous. You should be. You are running out of time. That clocks ticking and men in suits are coming. Justice tends to slap back. Maybe not by the criminals in OZ but men in suits don't care who they slap. Hopefully that slap you so far right you end up in federal prison. It's out of the Sheriffs hands. That's a direct promise.

May 17-18/19


Trinity Golf Tournament
Trinity Catholic School's 10th Annual "Faith in Education" Captain & Crew Golf Tournament will be held on Saturday June 1st at the Stone Creek Golf Club. Shotgun start is 1pm and the cost is $300 per team. On course activities include Golf, Lunch, Skins, Bag of Tricks, Beat the Pro with Will Weimer and more. After golf, enjoy a steak dinner at Gibby's Irish Pub with awards, prizes, raffles, and more. Hole sponsorships available for businesses or to honor a loved one passed. Contact information listed below or contact the school at (315) 343-6700.

May 17-18/19




May 17-18/19



Fact Check
Where did this story of James Steen being a hubitual liar come from. It started when Donald Dodd prosecuted James Steen for the death of Chucky Carr Junior. Steen claimed his gun went off on accident. Thus, this may be why Steen thought he would only do time for Victoria death and walk out of prison as he said in ten years. But Donald Dodd used the theory Steen was known to be a hubitual liar in to court. Then Greg went with it and used that excuse a second time in his defence on the Gary Thibodeau case. So Greg, I have a very logical question. If Steen informed you that he had no part in the disappearance of Heidi Allen, (based off the theory he's a habitual liar). It would mean he lied to you. Are you claiming his statement, he actually told you the truth? Because if he's a hubitual liar as you claim. It would actually mean, he lied to you about having no involvement in Heidi Allen. How ironic, one minute hes believeable and the next he isnt (when it suits their conviction). How demented and a corrupt way of thinking. Steen made a fool of the entire system, their theory and the Sheriff and DA office. Greg Oakes let him. Well the Sheriff insisted he wasn't a bad guy, so which one is it, is he a liar or not a bad guy? Did he lie or tell the truth because you claimed the investigator went to speak to Steen, Steen said he wasnt involved and you believed him and that was that. Looks like Oakes, Steen isn't the only hubitual liar. You are as well.

May 17-18/19


Re Hilton hiring outside
Well you can look at it from this point of view, if bringing outsiders in cleans up not only the department but the area. New blood, new names. It might make a difference. Maybe they can find a logical parking point for those living out of the county so they have access to the patrol cars closer than the department in Oswego. You never know it may be a smart move. Either way outsiders would be much better for everyone involved. Maybe not for criminals but for good tax paying families.

May 17-18/19


To the family of Tammy Mahoney
Thank you for raising awareness of the disappearance of Heidi Allen and the others whose memory you seek to keep alive. Praying that your diligence in seeking justice for Tammy is an inspiration for others with missing loved ones to keep pushing to get their answers and the Truth!!

May 17-18/19


Why Rob?
Rob Ramsey why is it that everyone is saying that you are just an all over bad person? Why did you lie and manipulate the people that truly believed you? How can you dissolve so much history as if it never happened? Do you even comprehend the damage you have done? Are you ever going to be a decent man and fix what you did?


May 17-18/19


Trump declares some auto imports pose national security threat




May 17-18/19






Today's Quote May 15-16/2019

Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water.

W. C. Fields




City of Oswego Car Off Road on 481

About 2:45 on Tuesday afternoon, I saw an ex-cop car with City of Oswego markings off the highway in the medium of 481 yesterday with a road sign sticking out of the front windsheild. Whats up with THAT, Baby Barlow? How are you going to sweep this one under the rug or better yet, WHO is going to sweep it? Rumor has it that it was none other than Rob Cordino's kid who is the same little jackass thats all over the city putting the black bags on the fire hydrents. Story goes that the kid has some sleep disorder and he blinked out on the road other sources say that he was texting. Its a good thing that it was a road sign that he hit and not one of my kids.

When is Barlow going to start looking at all of these so-called quality hires that Kells keeps making? Is this the person thats supplying the drugs now that Supervisor Goodbody's brother got fired last year? Keep looking the other way Billy Boy. You show what a two-face you are every time that you let Kells or one of your other department chiefs make a fool out of you and you do nothing but tuck your head you know where. Must be your too far in debt to them for buying your office for you. I wonder how much they came up with to give to the Dems so that the Drummer boy would run anyone against you and shine a light on that huge scandal pit out on Michell St. Thats right, as long as your kissing tiny Toms butt, you can get anything that you want, isnt that right Markie? Got the whole family jobs out there and from what I hear, they break whatever rules they want and Tommy just looks the other way. Speeding, running stop signs, abuse the taxpayer's equipment as long as you dont tell about what you know about Tom, you get extra money in your check (stypend I think its called) fake promotions (right water boy?). Ya Billy, you should really pay better attention to whats gong on out there. I hope that the girl that has the pictures of you in all of the comprimising situations gets them posted before something happens to her so all of the people who think what a great job your doing can see the real you.

 May 15-16/19


Re: sign about Heidi

The PERFECT time to offer the reward again would have been while Gary’s appeals were in process.  (Unless there is no reward money…then get the Feds to assist)


May 15-16/19



The poor misunderstood

Someone mentioned this a few days back in reference to Rob Ramsey

 "And she makes him feel out of control & powerless at home, he can't express his frustration and has spent a good chunk of his life feeling pushed around by Liz.  That's why he's angry all the time."  Would you give me just a small break!?

We get it, Rob is a poor man-child with an overbearing wife.  However, his emasculating home life in no way, gives him the right to degrade, demean and intimidate virtually everyone forced to deal with him.  Yes, that would be in both the Sheriff's Department as well as the Town of Scriba.  He only appears to be civil to those he feels he can get something from, or that can help him dupe the board and public. 

Remember Robbie, that whenever you talk to Clerks (Reb), City Public Works employees (Tom), former Superintendents (Rog) and so many others, about those same people that you always do, you know, that handful of people you dump on and try to ruin?  Well, they hear every single nasty word that falls from your lying mouth. Then when you try to speak with them with your feigned respect, all they can think is "this little douche really thinks I believe the garbage he's spouting. 

I really do hope the town council members wake up soon and realize Ramsey (with the help of Caraccioli) is digging a hole nobody will be able to crawl out of.  He needs to go, not at the term end, but right freakin' now!

Have a fantastic day!!


May 15-16/19



Here's How Trump's New China Tariffs Will Hit Your Wallet



May 15-16/19








Today's Quote May 14/2019

Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes.
Oscar Wilde

you expect Barr to give up grand jury material you are nutter than i thought why doesnt the Mr. Nadler read the report I will tell you why because there is no obstruction its blocks away or go on your phone No they just want to anti Trump impeachment They cant because ther is NO CRIME Nadler is an idiot to think barr is in contempt are attorney general who defended the CONSTITUTION by not giving grand jury statements he did not have to give mueller report but he gave 98 percent of it to congress you probably did not read it either typical democrat get ready for the boomerang then you might think before you react like CNN which i doubt have nice day boomer
Monday, May 13, 2019 6:58 AM
From: "Richard Haynes" <dickie5953@gmail.com>
To: editor@oswegonylion.com

May 14/19


You might want to stop drinking and get back on your meds. I have not read all the testimony given and I have not read all of the case law he referenced yet. have read most all of Muller’s explanations. What I have gotten thus far is this. Because Barr has already stated he believes a sitting president cannot be prosecuted he, Muller, did not think it would be correct to make accusations or bring incitements when they would not be acted upon by the Justice Department, which ordered the investigation in the first place. He also felt that any decisions his commission might reach could have an undesired influence upon ongoing independent investigations by Congress and the Southern district of New York. He did however reference several opinions which others might consider should they decide to follow through with charges against Trump and others while he remains in office or afterwards. He implied, while some statements and actions of Trump and others did not necessarily meet the threshold for prosecution they might have if they had been able to question Trump and others in person. Specifically if they could have questioned Trump more thoroughly on his lapses of memory.

You sir have not read squat but rather rely upon the talking heads you love the most to tell you what you should believe. Then you attempt to regurgitate it for the people that read this site. I have held a policy of not posting the bullshit and lies of the right wing wackos and those who turned out to be Russian Communist trolls since back around 2015.

Therefore this is your last post. You are no longer welcome here. Go back to your bottle or bible or whatever mind altering things you prefer. Consult with your commie friends and conspiracy theorists and watch as your "FAKE" president self destructs.


Again, I am not stupid. I am not a Democrat. I am capable of independent thought processes and you are history!


Ref. to "What am I talking about"
In reference to the response in the red lettering. This poster is not able to give you the page & paragraph where Mueller said "He was leaving it up to Barr" because it was never in the Mueller Report. He is either talking out of his ass or got it off his so called "Real News Channel " Fox". Only other possibility someone educated Mr. Barr on the art of lying and gee I wonder who that could be? Possibly the King of liars of all time? This individual is still hung up on Hillary. Well the issue here isn't about Hillary or Comey who wouldn't commit corruption when Trump requested him to do so. This issue is about Mueller, Barr and the illegitimate President. I think that due to the fact that he says Fox is his news channel we can just frown and start looking the other way on these post. How can anyone defend a President who constantly covers everything up, won't let anyone testify and encourages taking the 5th amendment is beyond me. As a matter of fact if my memory serves me correctly it seems as so a while back that Trump said "Anyone that takes the 5th is obviously guilty, otherwise they wouldn't take the 5th. Isn't this a President talking double standards? Last I head Donald Jr. was either going to ignore the supeona or take the 5th. What does that tell you? Time for people to get the facts straight.

May 14/19


Re: Photos
If this woman/girl has photos as indicated her best bet is to get them to multiple media sources now.
Barlow is the new golden boy of the Barclay political machine and they have big plans for him. This person is in real danger of becoming the next Carol Wood or Heidi Allen. The longer she waits the longer they have to plan her exit.

May 14/19


Behind The Scenes, Trump Diligently Tries To Slash Social Programs







Today's Quote May 13/2019

Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
Salvador Dali

I was wrong. Photos do exist and it's not just baby barlow who should be concerned. Could be big shake up if she gets mad again and sends them. People have seen them, fingers crossed she breaks before the election. Keep your eyes open.

May 13/19


what i am talking about
If i do not know what i am talking about then why did mueller leave it up to Barr to decide Who is Muellers boss This is more like a fishing trip the bait is hillary and guess who got caught Mr Comey and lot of others So if you think i do not know get the facts right and that is what Fox does You are totally wrong about CNN check there ratings Lemon head is the worst all they go by is washington post who are fake news and that is what CNN is Fake Check the dossier and fisa report not verified but verified by biggest liar Mr comey You have to stop watching CNN the cartoon station and watch a real news station FOX before you get buried and put in jail for LYING Lemon Head and Cuomo BONO

May 13/19

Again Please give the page and paragraph where Muller said he was leaving it or anything up to Barr.

Why dont you ask for a bus to pick up your puppets to take to the metting so you dont burn your gas. Talk about drain the swamp how about drain our pockets This is really a slap in the face After we approved 63million for renovations you want more Why dont your puppets take a cut If this passes what are you going to do then pay residents to come back That is where we are headed I am all for education You dont need more teachers What is wrong with the ones you got Less kids more teachers does not make sense of course SUPERMAN DEAN does not either. COME ON RESIDENTS GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR YOU KNOW WHAT VOTE NO I WANT TO FEED MY KIDS

May 13/19
He writes checks that cannot be cashed
Ramsey does not pay what he owes. He truly believes that he can ignore it and it will go away.

May 13/19


Responding to.. It's apparent you do not know the facts.
Are you tripping Dude???? Seriously! Are you tripping or what??? The hand writing is on the wall. Saying that There was no obstruction on the part of Trump is like saying that it will not snow in Ozwego for the entire winter. This is what happens to those who watch that Fox News Channel. They get everything backwards. You ask the question "Who did Mueller work for"? I will tell you who he worked for, the American Tax Payer and to protect the Constitution of the United States of America, that's who he worked for. It is just to bad that your so called Republican Senators don't want to "Protect and defend the Constitution of this Country, they would rather protect this brain washing imbussel of a President of ours. It truley amazes me how so many can be misled by this lying brain washing President. He could care less about people like you and I all he cares about is Donald J Trump. When are you politically minded Republicans going to wake up such as many of us which now call ourselves former Republicans? Hopefully you will quit believing everything that propaganda news channel is trying to feed you. You will see what has been going on here very soon. No one is above the law!


May 13/19






Today's Quote May 12/2019

Jealousy contains more of self-love than of love.
Francois de La Rochefoucauld

Response to: "It's apparent you do not know the facts.
Are you kidding me? You are obviously the "Fella" that does not know the facts here Sir. How can you say that there was no obstruction here when it was proven through witnesses that there were ten counts of obstruction in the Mueller report? The reason why Mueller could not exonerate him is because he willingly accepted information on the Russian help after he asked for it on National TV. What in the hell do you think they want to talk to Middle Meddling Man Don Jr. about? Why does CNN win the Media award for News Accuracy every year? I will tell you why, because they tell it like it is and don't fabricate the News like your so called Fox Network does. You keep listening to Sean "Howdy Doody" Hannity and you will be as messed up as they are. They have to report as they do because Trumps buddy Ruppert Murdoch owns the Network and they would all like to keep their jobs. Why do you think your Republicans in Congress continue to defend this very dangerous President? It all boils down to their fear of your Republican Loyalist voting them out if they do not defend this illegitimate, lying, name calling, unrespectful President.
Take my advice "Fella" and READ THE MUELLER REPORT before you ramble on about something that you don't know what in the hell your talking about. Bottom line, Mueller wrote the report as he did with the intent of CONGRESS sorting it out not BARR! He would have been indited for his crimes had he not been a "Sitting President" according to over 900 former prosecuters. Need I say more?

May 12/19



Why dont you ask for a bus to pick up your puppets to take to the metting so you dont burn your gas. Talk about drain the swamp how about drain our pockets This is really a slap in the face After we approved 63million for renovations you want more Why dont your puppets take a cut If this passes what are you going to do then pay residents to come back That is where we are headed I am all for education You dont need more teachers What is wrong with the ones you got Less kids more teachers does not make sense of course SUPERMAN DEAN does not either. COME ON RESIDENTS GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR YOU KNOW WHAT VOTE NO I WANT TO FEED MY KIDS

May 12/19


Jamie Raskin Reads Litany Of Donald Trump's Staggering Number Of Misdeeds


May 12/19

He writes checks that cannot be cashed
Ramsey does not pay what he owes. He truly believes that he can ignore it and it will go away

May 123/19



Minetto residents
 If you need any roof work done, just contact the Minetto highway dept. They are looking for extra work. Someone posted about Yacco’s assessment. They should have mentioned there is a new detached garage that should add another 5k to the assessment . It isn’t listed in the ORPS records either.


May 12/19






Today's Quote May 11/2019

If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President' s actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

Robert S. Mueller


Here we go again
Oswego School District added over $2,000,000 to the budget and is hiring 13.5 un-needed additional teachers and is going to borrow another $911,000 for buses. Last year we paid $2,500,000 for interest on their outstanding debt of well over $60,000,000. Their bad business decisions keeps draining your disposable income. Your cost of living is going up faster than your pay increases, and now with Trump and his tariffs, costs are going up again. Better that 50 % of the kids going to OCSD get free lunches because we are such a poor district, but this district just keeps spending money foolishly. Do what you want, but I will vote no on this budget and proposition.


May 8-10/19

Its apparent you do not know the FACTS
There was no obstruction Mueller could not find any Do you not understand that Mueller told Barr that he had to make decision on final report Now this other letter shows up out of the blue Come on man Mueller did not write that probably Rosenstein Get your head out of your ass Who did Mueller work for have any idea Get over it Barrs decision is final quit grasping for straws Stop watching CNN now that is fake news You must watch Wolf or Cuomo or Lemon now ther is 3 characters GET the FACTS FIRST You might want to switch parties after this boomerang takes place then you can put you head between your legs and kiss the democrats bye bye WAKE UP FELLA the Democrats are dead Hillary and company you have nice day not to many left countdown to showdown


May 8-10/19

Please use this link to the Justice Department's posting of the Muller Report and then reference the factual page and paragraphs where it says “There was no obstruction”. I suggest you start with PDF page 368 (volume II page 156). I am sure everyone would appreciate the benefit of your factual discoveries.


Sheriff Cars
ok, Hilton wants to hire outside the county. No problem, but....the county cars don't go home with them. This taking a county car home is ridiculous.. It is , according to the union, part of their pay.......ok, then tax the use of the cars, if not, then DON'T take them home. Even inside the county. They claim they need them in case they are called out.....how often does that happen? Rarely, if ever anymore. Then the claim it makes people feel safer, ok.....then just marked cars go home. The car baloney is a political tool in that department, nothing more.

May 8-10/19


Dog park, - that’s the punchline
This is great if only I didn’t have to take my dog for a car ride to get to the place so he can walk . What a waste of money the only time people are there is if there is a camera around for a photo shoot in the paper or news. I can’t even walk to this place because I would be walking in the road to a location in the middle of nowhere with no sidewalks to get to it . I guess then my dog would be ready for a nap so I see it does work.

May 8-10/19


Don't piss off the wife.
I'm an outsider watching this unfold but LMAO watch out don't piss off the man's wife.

May 8-10/19


Trump tax returns.


May 8-10/19

Baby Barlow
Baby barlow pissed off a lot of people. Facebook going nuts with all the skeletons in his closet. Everybody talking about this photo with him doing drugs but nobody ever saw it. Your not going to see it because he's back with the girl who said she had it after they got in a fight, don't think there ever was a photo, she just trying to hurt him because he hurt her. Newsflash, everybody does something. Get over it move on.

May 8-10/19


Gun laws , there are DWI laws on the books ,but that does not stop people driving if they have had any ! So you can make all the laws you want , that does not stop people from being stupid or aware of the laws if they ignore them !
Laws do not stop people , only tell them how long they are going to be jail or when they can vote again !


May 8-10/19


Three Mile Island nuclear plant to close by September 30




May 8-10/19


What ever happened to the drunk, coke head ada who was arrested for the DUI? Should have also drug tested him he's famous for loving the nose candy.

May 8-10/19


Hey Hilton
If you want to believe the lying Oakes. Here's an idea. Take a drive over and meet Richard Thibodeau. Don't take the word of anyone. Take a step without their assistance and meet Richard Thibodeau on your own. When or if you do. By the time you are done. You'll say no way, no how did he ever kidnapp any one. What's disgusting is the dishonest DA destroying a good man's reputation and has for years. Take the time to also meet Richard he is a direct part of your community. In the end, you'll see how bad they lie by one hand shake. GUARANTEED to make you think twice once you actually take the time to meet the man they destroyed. Sweetest man in the world. Don't take my word for it or even Oakes. Do it yourself and leave with your own opinion. Anyone meeting Richard walks out and says 1000 percent he's innocent. So was his brother. Takes getting to meet someone before you actually can form your own opinion of that person. Hilton go ahead and ask Brian what he felt upon meeting him. You know exactly what Brian I am speaking of. Also take note to Richards size. You'll see..if you actually cared you'd stop and knock on that old man's door.

May 8-10/19


Is the only word that comes to mind on Greg Oakes. Does he truly believe in a state run by the most notorious gang in the country that he doesn't have drug, gang issues. Must be to him OZ is special and they missed his county. A special kind of stupid, maybe. Open your eyes Oakes you nimrod. Drug, gangs, murders, weapons yeah OZ is the only county in the country that's squeaky clean with not a drop of these issues. Here's a question for you Greg. If you have a known gang in the area and they are prospecting members isn't that illegal? If so, why haven't you removed the issue from your county? That's right because you don't know how to enforce the laws.

May 8-10/19


The dysfunction of that scenario seems obvious
ROB RAMSEY is a man who conflates confrontational behavior with masculinity. He tries hard to look the part of a model citizen. He works hard, volunteers, and he’s a good neighbor and an even better supervisor and one of the better deputies. Then he goes home. Surrounded by his family, he is angry and Liz is fricken irritable, she is prone to yell and quick to always punish him for anything and everything. He’s not abusive, per se, but she is and it is difficult to distant in a way that confuses his increasingly anxious wife, who can see the disconnect but lacks the perspective to understand it. Notice how they both keep their cool in public and only some of us are aware of how they snap at each other in private. They are destructive to both themselves. Their relationship to their anger is based on a complex tapestry of their early social and relational experiences.

She grew up in a hyper-masculine context that over-aligned with things like the illusion of strength, making her hold fast to anything that gives them an air of dominance. And she makes him feel out of control and powerless at home, he can’t express his frustration and has spent a good chunk of his life feeling pushed around by Liz. That’s why he is angry all the time, it is his way to feel empowered.

May 8-10/19

USDA Employees Unionize As Buffer Against Trump White House


May 8-10/19









Today's Quote May 8-10/2019

What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything? Vincent Van Gogh Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vincent_van_gogh_150781
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vincent_van_gogh_1507

What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything?
Vincent Van Gogh






Connect The Dots
You are a big boy now.. huh Ramsey! ?
Come back to the HWY department. We miss you!


May 8-10/19

The postings of Rob Ramsey stopped because.....
Rob Ramsey and his wife Lizzy Lizzard are both irrelevant - this will never change - old news. He is posting and she is posting. They are trying to be relevant. It's publicity.


May 8-10/19








The dysfunction of that scenario seems obvious
ROB RAMSEY is a man who conflates confrontational behavior with masculinity. He tries hard to look the part of a model citizen. He works hard, volunteers, and he’s a good neighbor and an even better supervisor and one of the better deputies. Then he goes home. Surrounded by his family, he is angry and Liz is fricken irritable, she is prone to yell and quick to always punish him for anything and everything. He’s not abusive, per se, but she is and it is difficult to distant in a way that confuses his increasingly anxious wife, who can see the disconnect but lacks the perspective to understand it. Notice how they both keep their cool in public and only some of us are aware of how they snap at each other in private. They are destructive to both themselves. Their relationship to their anger is based on a complex tapestry of their early social and relational experiences.
She grew up in a hyper-masculine context that over-aligned with things like the illusion of strength, making her hold fast to anything that gives them an air of dominance. And she makes him feel out of control and powerless at home, he can’t express his frustration and has spent a good chunk of his life feeling pushed around by Liz. That’s why he is angry all the time, it is his way to feel empowered.

May 8-10/19




May 8-10/19





Today's Quote May 7/2019

Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength,

the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.

Harriet Tubman



Don't piss off a short one, and definitely, don't piss off the wife!

The postings stopped because she said that those writing them are bottom dwellers.  My friend and I laugh at the written post. Someone said that the wife forbids the short little fu&$%@ to read the Oswego lion because he gets too stressed out and they get in pissing matches  that sometimes end up in a knock-down-drag-out.  Someone very close to them said that she is so insecure that she monitors his phone and emails and she put GPS tracking devices in his truck, car and his patrol car because she is so paranoid that he will go have a new affair or go back to the one he was with for years.  How in the hell did he keep it hidden from her for that long?  Since he got caught, he just does what she tells him to do because he is scared shitless that she will divorce him.  Rumor also has it that one of them or it could be that both of them have become functional borderline raging alcoholics from all of this stress this site has caused them, supposedly she even made him get on medicine from their therapist which has caused him to put weight on and he does what he is told. He is not the same. he used to be happy or acted happy now he is just a miserable man.  She has always hated that he ran for town supervisor and won. and apparently, she has not decided if she will let him run again.  She was laughing about how he will continue to write tickets more so now than ever before to make a point because he is in charge, and he is the law that can make everyone's lives a living h&*%.  Those of you remember what he did when you backed him into a corner years ago.  Who won?  He did.


May 7/19



Don't piss off a short sheriff, and definitely, don't piss off the wife!





Omarosa Accuses Trump Administration Of Destroying Boxes Of Evidence For Mueller



May 7/19



Relating to the person about mechanics

I agree no more buses How about this one 49thousand for Dump Truck are you kidding me It seems SUPERMAN DEAN likes to not only spend Minetto money lets get Oswego money to STOP the nonsense SUPERMAN Quit the spending no wonder you have no reserve money That my friends is the 63 million dollar question Vote NO on budget


May 7/19



Baby Barlow Wah Wah Wah

Does baby barlow need his bottle or a diaper change?  Lashing out every time something doesn't go your way.  You ain't fooling anybody.  Fancy suit, makeup, staged photos, nothing as it seems.  Larry at old city being targeted why?  Now dino? Arbirtrary "planned" water shutoff with no notice.  Something bigger going on here. 


 May 7/19



Obstruction Of Justice!

That's right folks Donald J trumps Twelve (12) counts of Obstruction Of Justice as stated in the Mueller Report holds water. It was stated by hundreds of former prosecutors all the way back from the Eisenhower Era from all political parties have determined that our Commander and Chief is just as much of a Crook as Richard M Nixon, if not even worse. We are in a dangerous area with having the likes of this man running our Country. He didn't even have the Ba*#s to bring the tampering in our elections to Putin in his hour and a half phone call, the phone call where he stated that Putin even smiled when told the Mueller Report was over. Had Trump not been a sitting President, he would be right along side where his former fixer is now. Now is the time for this brain dead Republican Controlled Congress to pull their heads out of their asses and wake the hell up! I am sure that Trump does not want Mueller to testify because he knows where he would be once out of office, with his ex best friend Michael. He knows that he will still need help from Russia to avoid any possible time once out of office. The Republican Party is going to self destruct by sitting silent like a damn bunch of Crickets. McConnell should buy himself and his fifty-two Congressmen all turtle necks so they more easily hide their shamed faces. I can't wait to see how Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and the brain washed gang are going to turn this one around. I think that would be a great trio together in crowbar hotel. Trump, Cohen and Barr. Give it up you brain dead useless republicans before it to late to save this Country. They say you can't indict a sitting President, well let just indict him as soon as he stands up! Ha Ha Ha! Just had to add a little humor to a sad situation. Have a good day folks.


May 7/19






Today's Quote May 6/2019

Friends are the siblings God never gave us.

New York judge has ruled that a school bus driver who raped a 14-year-old student will serve no time in prison.


May 6/19

School Bd & taxes
If the 2 candidates are running unopposed they don’t need our votes. It would be interesting if they only got their own vote. I also see they want new buses AGAIN. What ever happened to the policy kids walked if they didn’t live a mile away from the school? Is it a law that the bus stop at each house instead of a central location? Does the district have mechanics who can keep these buses repaired. I don’t know about everyone else in this district but I am at the absolute limit of my ability to pay anymore. The High School has become a palace. Goewey can afford this (he should have been fired from Minetto) but I know I can’t. Oswego... where the taxes and corruption never end.

May 6/19


Could someone please translate!
Could someone please translate what the 'Barr does not Lie" poster is trying to translate. Its like a bunch of sentences all running together. I surmise that the poster may have gone to the same School as Mr. Trump. I know one thing though it is definitely a Trump lover as I was able to pull that out of their post. I don't think grammer was Trumps favorite subject either. Just try reading those "tweets" of his sometime. This is definitely one of his cult members, no doubt about it. I would be willing to bet that Fox News is also their favorite News Channel. You know what they say about "Birds of a Feather"! These are the ones that believe everything that Trump says, even though his total LIES now is in excess of 10,000.

May 6/19


Re: Cats (2)
To the Trump supporter who hates cats. READ something sometimes. You can start with this.
City of Oswego Animal Laws Policy


You are obviously not an animal lover. Nobody who 'loves' only dogs or cats (or snakes) is any kind of real animal lover. People like that have serious issues and should seek counseling. Anyone contemplating having their cat declawed I'd like to you to look at your fingers.If you were a cat you'd have the first joint of your finger cut off. There's no 'removing' only the claws. LOL Way too many declawed cats become vicious biters which makes it a win-win for the vets who get another $80 to put your mutilated cats down.

May 6/19


re: Cats
I wonder if Cats knows it's illegal to tie his dog outside when the temp. is at the freezing point.animal cruelty charge. I bet his dog free range dumps in his backyard. yes cats need to be licensed and spayed or neutered just like dogs and have a $20 outdoor permit tag to avoid being picked up by animal control. it's a pet owner problem not the cat's fault. XD

May 6/19


RE: Crazy Cat People
Cats are required by law to be licensed if they go outside. The cats need to be spayed/neutered and UTD on vaccinations. Most people don’t know this until the cat is picked up by animal control. If the cat is not licensed, the owner will have to pay a fin

May 6/19


Golden Corral
A friend and I ate at the Golden Corral in Rochester a few weeks ago. A big disappointment, over priced and poor quality food.

May 6/19


Purple Varick Street Dam
Who was the city genius that decided to spend $50,000, plus annual elect bill, to light up the Varick Street Dam a Purple/Pink? I know Kevin Hill was bragging about it in the paper and those residents of the 3rd Ward should take notice how this individual is wasting your money. You should be looking for a person to run against this fool.
This expenditure is just as bad as that stupid $ 50,000 "Doggie Park" that was built out past the county dump on the City/Scribia border. Another total waste of money. Another ridicules expenditure is the "Pocket Park" that takes away parking off Water Street and is stuck between two shitty buildings. WTF, this is right off the "River Walk" which is like a mile long. Stupid waste of money.
We need to have a complete change in the council and a change in the Mayor's seat.

May 6/19


Take notes Ryan Zalduondo
Here you go Ryan this is how you do it. God forbid you get facts right lol Brian Hewitt from Hewitt films cleared up your mess on the pod cast for Gary Thibodeau. Take notes Ryan being in the media you need to learn the proper way to actually present facts and not your opinion. If you want to write an opinion do a blog if you can't follow facts, stay the hell out of the media.


May 6/19

He presented the facts alright and then he sprinkled them with fiction and conjecture. He is just the kind of product you would expect from SUNY Ozwego. Anyone that donates to WRVO should withdraw their support.

RE: Good Place to Eat
The closest GOLDEN CORREL to Oswego is Syracuse/DeWitt area. It just opened a few months ago

May 6/19





Today's Quote May 5/2019

Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself.
Marcus Tullius Cicero

Running stop signs
Shouldn’t they get tickets for running stop signs? Isn’t a police presence a good thing to combat against what you believe is an eminent danger from the “blasters.” How many people blast through and how many stop as required. Where did you get those statistics? I don’t recall any accidents at that intersection in quite a long time, maybe you know. Just trying to figure out what you are talking about. – C. Guard

May 5/19


Good Place to Eat
I would Love to see a GOLDEN CORREL Family Restaurant here in Oswego, Anyone like that idea. Say so here.

May 5/19

There was one in Fulton about 30 yrs ago but I do not think it lasted more than 4-5 years.


Declawing your cat is not a solution to scratching problems


May 5/19

Drug Bust
Pretty big drug bust on East 6th Street the other morning........not a word of news about it. Wonder if it was one of Don Dodd’s daughters……again.

May 5/19


RES. to Barr did not lie.
The editors response to the Barr did not lie was right on. I agree with you a 100% There are many Republicans and now what are former Republicans that have enough smarts to see what is taking place here. I actually do believe that both Trump and Barr should be impeached at once. Barr now fits right in with all the rest of Trumps gangsters. Just as soon as Barr trashed the misinterpreted Mueller Report Trump got right on the phone with his best friend Putin to inform him that we won. During this hour plus phone call not once did Trump let him know in no uncertain terms that we knew they hacked into our election and that it should never happen again. Why? I'll tell you why, because Trump knows that he will need their help again as this is the only way that he will have a ghost of a chance on winning. It is the one and only way he can win, by cheating and he knows it. There can't be enough gullible idiots out there such as the one that posted that Barr did not lie. Four more years of this blithering idiot running this great Country of ours we would certainly be doomed. Some people just cannot read between the lines and if they don't wake up soon and see the real deal here it may be to late. I am sure now that Trump is waiting for Putin's advice on what to do about the Venezuela situation. It must be hell to be someone's puppet. Everyone that Trump comes into contact with he seems to destroy their reputation. Lindsey Graham is in the process of having his destroyed right now as he is running scared of not being re-elected if he rebuffs Trump, just like the rest of them lame Senators who put Trump first and their Country second. Shame on you and the idiots that will re-elect you. If you want to make America Great Again you can start by voting Trump out in 2020. That is if a foreign advisory doesn't decide again who will win. I am sure this will be the case until we can get a President to stand up to the advisory's and put severe sanctions on those who interfere with our elections.

May 5/19


Donald Trump Goes On Retweet Rampage Against De-Platforming Of Far-Right Extremists

May 5/19

RE: Barr did not lie
No ITS Democrats not dems to start with. They are not treating Barr like shit. They are treating Barr just like he treats them and that would be like shit. Barr is just another stooge that will do everything Trump tells him to do. With Trump it won't matter if it is illegal or not. Most likely with this bunch of conmen it will be ILLEGAL. The true facts your trump puppets won't admit to is Trump and bunch will be the ones going to jail. Why do you think is the reason Trump gets so pissed off about any thing the Democrats say. You know the old line don't you. That would be "THE TRUTH HURTS." Trump is screwed and he knows it is time

May 5/19


Why are dog owners required to license their companions and the crazy cat people are not? That would be a money maker for the local governments.


May 5/19




Today's Quote May 3-4/2019

I found that with depression, one of the most important things you could realise is that you're not alone.

Dwayne Johnson

New York cat lovers are trying to get a bill passed preventing the declawing of cats.
Next thing you know they will try and outlaw Moo Shu Pork.

May 3-4/19

Barr did not lie

He answered all questions that he could democrats would let him explain All they did was SLANDER him get over it democrats its over Because you did not get the answer you wanted now they want to impeach him and Trump Get over yourself witch hunt is dead now the boomerrang starts with Hillary and James Comey thats why they are treating Barr like shit read the news oh i forgot thats dead to Get the facts first Wrecking Ball is started democrats Have nice prison time comey mccabe brenan and whole lot more THAT IS FACT


May 3-4/19


How would you like it if everything was dropped. No more impeachment. Forget about Russian interference in our elections. Forget about a president that is tearing the country apart. Throw separation of power to the wind. Then sit back and wait until someone like Kirsten Gellibrand gets elected and the door is wide open for her to walk in and finish the destruction that Trump started.
I am not a Democrat and I am not stupid. Barr is lying through his chubby little ass.


Ramsey posts stopped?
What happened? Ramsey's so called wife writes in and all the posts stop about him??
Who knows if it was even her.
Ramsey and his friends could fill this page with things they have done wrong and people they have screwed

May 3-4/19


why dont you take a cut along with your other puppets Instead of dollar here dollar there TAX TAX TAX enough is enough Adding teachers why there is less students How about this Teacher for every student NOT Residents come on dont vote this budget say NO Get real Try 63 million reasons why

May 3-4/19


The lights, the donuts, and other stuff.
It's called "change management". Something is always changing somewhere, for some reason, and it's up to us then to MANAGE it.

It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone with every decision that impacts them. Like the universe controlling traffic light on E. 10th and Utica Streets. Just because it's been there for every and a day, doesn't mean leaving it there is the best decision, and just because you have your own opinion doesn't mean the decision to remove it was made by "morons, idiots, etc.". fact is, there are many, MANY more vehicles using the streets today, and perhaps logistics indicate that a smoother transition through that intersection was warranted. Just a thought.

Dunki'n Donuts........why not? Because you don't like the idea? What about the many patrons who wished better access to a Dunki'n, than opposite ends of the city? Traffic?.....there are many worse traffic areas than this corner, and again.....can be MANAGED.

What's good for one is not necessarily good for the other, but what's good for the other is not necessarily good for the one.
And I suspect that eventually, many if not all of the neigh sayers will end up enjoying the convenience of having a DD near downtown.

I'm not speaking out in defense of any of the recent decisions, but just want to ask.......are they REALLY terrible ideas, or just different than the way you/we would have done things?

Life is too short people! STOP (sign) and smell the COFFEE!

OSWEGO (and and a smooth flowing cup of coffee) LUVER

May 3-4/19



John Kelly Joins Board Of Company Operating Shelters For Migrant Children

May 3-4/19


RE: Four way stop
Agreed that it’s nice to see the light at 10th and Utica gone but don’t compare that intersection to the one by the High School. To say the one by the school works “just fine” shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. It works for the cops just “for fines” since numerous people run that sign every day. The police sit here just waiting to catch them and it never takes long to get someone blasting through it. I think a lot of the problem is because people fly down Utica heading west and there’s a tree partially blocking the stop sign. This is a SCHOOL ZONE and something needs to be done. I complained about it YEARS ago but nothing was done and I always see people running that sign and see cops sit here just waiting to cash in on a ticket. Hopefully no kid gets hit one day when someone comes blasting down the hill and fails to see that sign. Definitely do not want to see a light put in since this city has way too many of those now. But, cutting that tree, maybe painting the roadway informing of a stop ahead, and possibly even putting solar-powered lighted stop signs like the ones Novelis uses on their property would help with making people aware of that stop. Might save a kid’s life one day.

May 3-4/19


DOJ lays out case for striking down Obamacare in its entirety


May 3-4/19

Trump is already set to use the government to destroy the Democratic nominee


May 3-4/19






Justice in the truth
There is Justice in the truth. That phrase is something those involved in Gary Thibodeau case negatively can't seem to understand. Your lives will unravel on their own. Its called Karma. People you thought were friends aren't really. Some may have ended relations with you. Every where you go that shadow of doubt is cast upon your name. It will never go away. You may be shunned in public. Your business may fail, you may not get the job you want, hell your own family may have cut you off. In the end Gary's justice has already been served. Because now everyone knows your names. You deserve far more than those simple losses, you deserve prison. But in the end Gary actually won.

May 1/19

The system is rigged its common sense.
Everyone wants to go to court and deal with even the Gary Thibodeau case in court, to bide time. More and more time. People like Tammy Mahoney sister will figure it out. She's fighting, is honest and is trying to break through the rigged areas of the system but it's difficult. I know there are many honest people who would issue arrests and be happy to do so in Gary's case, the public has more heart in the Gary Thibodeau, Heidi Allen or Tammy Maloney case than those wearing a badge. That badge doesn't make the person it's their integrity. Instead let's all play games, drag things on, lie, munipulate and have zero accountability in the system because and only because some who need it actually do wear a badge. Its all rigged. Everyone else is wrong the good ol boys are always right. We witnessed laws being broken, some very serious laws. We all know it, saw it along with zero integrity, zero accountability and zero help from any one, but every day citizens trying to make a difference. Maybe Tammys family will figure out how to dance around it. Maybe one will.

April 29/19

Today's Quote April 27/2019

The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart.
Helen Keller


I love the real property description of Yaccos house. Trust me it is anything but fair, average or normal.
If I remember right that house also has a finished basement.
This sounds like another one of Marty Websters creative assessments. I heard the little bastard retired from the county but is he still working for the town?

April 27/19

If anyone has pictures of Minetto Town employees working on Yacco’s house send them to the lion I’m sure Ed will post them.
If you got them send them in.

April 27/19

My husband Rob Ramsey Jr.
To all of you being bully’s to my husband Rob, he has served this county and cares very much for everyone.He has never cheated on me. He is home every night.Please stop being so mean.He cries sometimes and I have to knock the shit out of him to get him to calm down. Stop saying he is short.Please stop making fun of us.We love all of you constituents and we need your votes in Scriba and in Minetto.

April 27/19


Under the table
MINETTO ROOFING ...... 3065 St Rt 48

April 27/19

Oakes was asked for the interrogation video for Priest he claimed under the biggest mystery ever in Oz, he didn't record it. He's nothing more than a habitual liar.

April 24/19


Barkley, Steen, Wescott
Steen facebook shows pv Moore as his school, along with the Heidi texter, wonder what the PV Moore year books will show.

April 24/19

Oakes Where is Tonya priests interrogation video
Remember Tonya said she was taken into an investigators back office without Oakes being present.

April 22/19


When does Oakes not lie
I wonder if Greg Oakes is aware the lies he told about Tonya Priest will catch up with him. As some people have gotten copies of reports filed in 2010 to missing and exploited kids by her. Multiple calls and one of the exact day Vicky Steen was shot. He needs to be delt with by higher authority. I'm certain after his lies in the pod cast he will be. He had a certain man speak to him, Oakes made one comment to him, that doesn't match his pod cast interview. I'm sure it'll come crashing down soon enough. Once you lie, you forget about what you've said prior isn't that right Oakes? The man he spoke to is of serious higher authority. You may Oakes want to wrack your brain and recall a few things you said to a certain someone because he's well aware you out right lied in your pod cast. The reason he's aware Oakes is because you sent that man back to Tonya Priest and you send a message with this man to her. Lol such an idiot to think every word your are saying Oakes isn't being documented.

April 20-21/19


Here's a hint
Oakes were the cabin diggers the powers the first ones at that cabin. Here's a clue Greg you've been had. I'll use the famous line on here Tick tock you may just end up in prison.

April 20-21/19


Oakes is the reason
Oakes is a direct example of why no one else will help the Allen family. He's taken good citizens and lied about all of them because what they know doesn't match his lies. In the end Lisa B, will be apologizing to many. Greg well he may just be led by higher authority to either step down or face charges.

April 20-21/19


Greg has a serious rude awakening coming. Just wait. It's going to prove how well he didn't investigate the Gary Thibodeau case. It's proof of one thing he was too lazy and incompetent to do a proper investigation. There's documentation to debunk the lies he's telling. Justice Department should have a field day with Greg, seeing as he likes to lie some are going to be pushing back with facts he can not get away from, when he slapped real hard with documents he neglected to seek out.

April 20-21/19


How's that Greg for conspiracy.
Because that's when I talked to Lisa and john because I've always suspected murtaugh had something to do with my brother's death and and when he threatened me on syr.com the next day he called my mom talking about my brother the following day my mom received a call from john stating that murtaugh said my brother and his friend dug a hole for thumper and that's probably where Heidi is that's why I had to call john and Lisa to let them both know I thought murtaugh had something to do with my brothers death
Jan 12, 2015 · Sent from Messenger
Lisa and john both knew he was lyin that's when they told me rumor has it that thumper shot him.
Jenn and roger can both rot I was friends with both of them I thought they were friends they kept me close just to know that I wasn't going to dig and told me crap for all these years.
Original messages. How's that Greg for conspiracy? When multiple families name the same people over and over its no conspiracy Greg, it's a fact you don't do proper investigations. In this young ladies case the outcome was James Steen being the shooter to her brother, he got away with it. This was investigated by Lisa Peebles and her team. That was the outcome Thumper was the shooter. There are families Greg that could really use a DA with an ounce of brains and that isn't corrupt. Most good officers would be very suspicious their names continue to appear in strange deaths or suicides. Not Greg I tell you its a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy only in your head Greg because you haven't done proper investigations in to any families allegations, because? You have no excuse if you can't do your job. I suggest OZ finds a DA that can and will. This is only one of several families. Wayne Priest family did not quote say a biker club in general killed Wayne Priest. What was said was Dan Barney had a part in it. Funny he is also probable suspect in Heidi Allen. What you have Greg is terrorism you can't grasp. Anyone with a lick of intelligence will clearly tell you one percent gang member are the cancer of society, from illegal drugs, murder, extortion, the list goes on. Must be Greg thinks that bikers are the great product of our society. I'll guarantee you FBI would tell Greg, you are an idiot.

April 20-21/19


Heidi Sister
Here is the plain cold truth about Heidi sister. She's nothing like Tammy Mahony's sister. Huge differences. Ones doing all they can to bury the truth the other ones slamming the officers involved and fighting to be heard and to find the truth, not hide it. Two sisters both have siblings whom had heart breaking stories. Ones not stupid, the other one is. During Dateline interview Lisa tossed in her towel when asked one key question. "Were you or Heidi ever involved in drugs." That seemed to upset Lisa and she stormed off the set. If she knew anything about her sisters case she'd know this, "Dodd made Heidi out to be a coke head, not only during trial but it supports his closing arguments". If she did not know this, she really has studied nothing on her sisters case and she's showing it. But yet even though that question pissed her off, she still supported the case which supports the idea her sister was a druggie. How much Lisa do you truly pay attention to anyone but yourself. Great sister Lisa B. Difference between the two siblings, is simple. One has gutts to fight. The other uses the system to gain sympathy and attention. What's funny is her mother warned everyone and made it very very clear Lisa is an attention seeker and obviously not smart enough to understand an ounce of her sisters case. Even Stitson made that very clear her memory may be vague but his is not. You may Lisa B, want to take some notes on how a real sister acts, because Tammy's fights the system to bring truth for her murdered sibling. She does not rake the system or the public for sympathy she fights every damn day to just be heard. She doesn't kiss anyone's ass. She calls them all out on every lie they produce she does not give room for oopsies. One oopsie she went over their heads and contacted the DOJ. Most ridiculous comment yet out of your, by what Dodd painted a druggies families mouth, Lisa. Tammy's sister could use the publics help, unlike Lisa and her support of oopsies, Tammys family wants nothing but facts and the truth. Tammys family had the gutts to report corruption to the DOJ, now Tammys family has movement because she seeks nothing but the truth, she tossed a few officers, without hesitating, she does not care whos in her way. Take notes Lisa this sister bar none is real your actions in this give tons of question as to where you truly stood with Heidi the day she vanished. Seems its all about you, not what's best for Heidi or you'd make many simular moves as the Mahoney family. Your behavior and ridiculous comments tend to raise red flags to many. The fact you being Heidi family, are aware of oopsies and haven't requested DOJ investigation is beyond me. When its said and done the words told you so will live with you forever because you arent fighting for your sister. You are doing nothing but supporting the idea your sister is a massive coke head. Funny the DA seemed to think so. Lol sad thing is the general public does not support you or that theory, why? Because you aren't the only one who knew the real Heidi. Lisa is supporting destroying her own sisters reputation to protect a sheriff and his good ol boys reputation, oopsie. There is a pretty place in hell for them and for you, Lisa B. https://www.facebook.com/Justice-for-Tammy-Mahoney-1516278771947064/

April 18-19/19



Just Wow, Greg. You don’t trust the integrity of some in the Sheriff’s department but still stand by your…lies?!?? Incredible. What does that say about YOU? You can take plausible deniability and….. Hahaha. Can’t get away from what the public knows as FACT!!
P.S. Take a lesson-

This is what it may look like when the Sheriff’s lack integrity and a family wants their loved one found.


Why ask “Who she was?” when we can’t get a straight or truthful answer?
In 1994, she was a CI according to the Sergeant who signed her up to give drug dealer names to LE, albiet fellow high schoolers. At the same time, LE and Heidi’s family deny she was and/or gave any useful information. We heard about how she was such a beautiful, young, athletic woman who could handle herself. Dodd even says during closing arguments at Gary’s trial, making it seem possible, that sometimes we don’t really know our loved ones, implying that Heidi may have had some kind of “drug arrangement” with Gary. Fast forward-even when the CI card surfaced in the public eye, LE still denied Heidi was useful but that she did give names and that the card identifying her with a code name was dropped in the parking lot of the very store she worked at. Not long after, auntie comes forward with a story that doesn’t paint too pretty of a picture.
So with all the conflicting information of “Who she was?” and the fact that Heidi’s sister won’t answer any questions to the negative, why would we ask when we can’t get a plain, truthful answer. She, as a person, was not only one thing to those whose lives she touched.

Denial is a seriously detrimental character flaw.

April 16-17/19


Inquiry-Greg Oakes
Who was the one that came up with the juvenile argument, “his work area was a mess so he might not have seen….”? ‘might’ is a speculative word Mr. Gregory Oakes. Last I knew, the court of law is based on FACTS. I propose that because you and Moody didn’t have a document with you in court for the Hearing that you guys were unprepared and unorganized. What does that fact say about YOU?

Who made up the timeline found in your “Statement of Facts”? You certainly didn’t follow the times elicited from the trial from the prosecution and defense questioning. Sorry, I forgot…only believe the prosecution witnesses when questioned by Dodd. F__k what the defense elicited or their witnesses.

I’ll ask you this, if Dodd saw “every” piece of paper from the Heidi Allen files then why could he not recall the deal Baldasaro received for testifying for the prosecution of Gary? He either lied about seeing “every” piece of paper or he lied to the public about the ‘deal”. Either way…LIAR!!

I find it rather obnoxiously hilarious that Greg is still trying to play off the ‘no DNA’ or van washing angle after that has been shown FALSE for years now. Think no one of importance or substance would find out you LIE? Keep saying it so you believe it, Greg, while the rest of us grasp reality and the truth. “You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”

Would you have the courage to interview with a reporter and answer truthfully/factually any question about Heidi Allen’s case? Not just prearranged questions. I think not!

Ugg. I don’t know what disturbs me more, that some in Oswego Law Enforcement have less than average intelligence or that some in the public actually believe everything coming from their mouth about Heidi’s case. Looking forward to more of what may come in the media/social media forums.

April 16-17/19

Has WRVO Become the FOX News of Central New York?


Ryan Zalduondo a product of SUNY Oswego, Upstate New York's Premier Party School shows off the talents of his education in what appears to be two episodes about the Heidi Allen Case, available on WRVO public radio where he works as an intern.




April 13/19

Ryan Zalduondo
This wanabe journalist/intern for WRVO recreates the Heidi Allen kidnapping with his own interpretation of the facts and facts which did not exist until he came along. If you have followed the postings and documents on this site and then compare to what has been proffered by WRVO you will quickly see not only has this SUNY Oswego student ignored the facts but he has laced the content with biased comments and conjecture.

April 13/19

What Zalduondo and his peer did on their trip to the north country is up for debate, but once he gets his party school diploma he will not stick around Oswego County to see the fallout from his contrived reporting.


April 13/19


Shawshank REALLY!!!
Lisa Buske literally compared a non-true story written by Steven King to Gary's case. She obviously isn't very intelligent because in Shawshank Redemption the warden had the man killed who was involved to silence him so the truth about the innocent man did not come out. Lisa you may want to step out of the lime light on this. You aren't intellegent enough with your oopsies to grasp even a made up movie let alone your sisters case. Shawshank Redemption she's using as a reason why Gary must have done it. She says because they all claim they are innocent. Maybe Lisa you may want to brush up on the innocence project before you base your belief off a fake movie. 4 out of 10 who were DNA tested through the innocence project were in deed innocent. Shes really shouldn't be Heidi's spokes-person. The comment she made lol they are all innocent was a line in the movie. Wow lmao just wow Lisa, sit down, everyone's sick of listening to your "OOPSIES". KEEP GOING MR. HEWITT, more to come out. Hang in their folks. https://youtu.be/iySODH0T5jQ

April 9/19


Shawshank really Lisa B. Really?

No way, let me tell you a secret about Shawshank you missed then and you missed in your sisters case. The man in Shawshank was innocent. You may want to research your movie and here's a word of advice, don't compare your sisters case to a Steven king movie, LMAO if you are going to make certain you have your facts straight. You made a huge oopsie Lisa Buske you know how many people are laughing right now. WE ALL ARE!!!

April 9/19


To Lisa B

 This is all we are waiting for. Murder, corruption and lies. Good Lord if you were smart enough to understand the ending of Shawshank Redemption then stay away from your sisters case.

April 9/19


Oz’s Shawshank
#1 look you ass Buske, oopsies? That was Gary’s life! #2 Buske....Shawshank Redemption? Andy Duframe was an INNOCENT man, just like Gary! #3 Your ‘pal’ from the SD, was thrown aside, because the public said they were sick of Mo and his lies! Tried to get the public to vote for a criminal for sheriff! We said, “HELL NO! HILTON is Sheriff! #4 Oakes, your mouth, if you keep running it, just might get you disbarred and put in prison! You don’t know who kidnapped Heidi? WTF? No one ever, ever placed Gary the INNOCENT Thibodeau at the scene of the crime! Oakes, this is not over, Buske, no one believes a word you say, maybe liar auntie Martha, but it’s not over!


 April 9/19

Hey Buske, watch this:


Who would have the power?
To run drugs out of the county airport
To control the district attorney and sheriff
To keep the FBI out of the Allen case
To rig juries
To keep the media silent
To make witnesses fear for there lives
To keep criminals out of jail
One name keeps coming back over and over
Barclay Barclay Barclay Barclay

April 6/19

Barkley knew Thumper was going to kill Vicky. How did he not. The day James Steen went to committ the murders he stopped at a store and ran in to Delbert Shaw and his wife during their conversation James informed Delbert he was on his way to shoot Victoria. Delbert never called the cops to warn her. Instead he and his mentally deranged wife went and followed Steen to the location and parked at the gas station to watch it unfold, but yet Barkley didn't know. Which is an out right lie, Thumper was telling everyone with his big mouth bragging and then did it. Just as he's bragged about Heidi and was involved, any crime he's been involved in his big mouth gives it away. Who is Delbert just another pos who thinks he's a biker and tugs around in the biker crowd with Barney. Nah none of them know each other lol and none of them knew bet your ass the cameras across the street would show Delbert Shaw parked watching it unfold. Sick bastard.

April 2-3/19

File disclosure
Heidi Allen case: Lawyers argue over file disclosure
Moody, Were you aware that your exhibit 13A wasn't even received into evidence in the original trial? Pulled a fast one like you tried with the sweatshirt.


April 1/19

Who's kidding who....The Heidi Allen Conspiracy
All of the leads, hints, lies & cover ups to this crime leads me to assume who killed her, who covered it up and who died an innocent man.

Why isn't there any suspicion of the "three" about this case from the LE and the DA's office?

You people in Oswego know who was selling coke, going to the airport 3-4 am, what cops were involved in the murder and coverup for the "three" that in my opinion are guilty.

Why were the actions taken by the OCSD to avoid their arrest of these guys.....simple they would have turned states evidence and hung some of the people Steen called the "big big guys."
How could you possibly listen to these guys, JW, MB, Johnathon about the Heidi text to Steen and a million other things and not have your investigation follow up on this.
The problem is, there isn't any evidence to dispute their actions. They knew they would go to prison if the "three" talked.

But maybe not over yet. Maybe someone who knows they should do the right thing will come forward.

Why no $20k reward still there? Did Bivens get it?

I am still not 100% sold on the time changes, confusion, contradictory stories.

7:40 to 8 am is a long time to fake, with a lot of events going on.

Why did Stinson go to the store on Easter Sunday and yet saw NOTHING?

Why didn't Swenkowski say he saw him there? Didn't they work at the same place..did they know each other?

Why did they let JW walk away after she gave them enough to at least follow up on...but they did not do so.

Mr. Bivens you have to live with yourself....worry everyday something may pop up that gets you and all the others...EVERYDAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!!!

Of course one of them may get scared and turn to the FBI to save his own neck.

You guys think no one has talked to them...think again. Your best friend is going to hang you. May not be a coworker ....just a citizen out for the truth.

Hang in there, Lisa P. is not finished yet...this could become very big.


April 1/19







March 29-30/19

Heidi Allen: Trial Freed One Thibodeau, Convicted Another


March 29-30/19

Damn shame the jurors only considered this 'expert' witnesses testimony elicited from the prosecution. Didn't even consider all the contradictions learned from Defense questioning.

March 26/19


WOW, to the Rob poster. You really have a bone to pick with this guy. He must have been picked before you in kickball in 6th grade and you just can’t get over it. Or maybe you are a little short in the “man” department and are so jealous of him it’s eating you alive. Or maybe that bartender wouldn’t give you a second look cuz you’re a dumbass! Or maybe he is more popular in your shared circle of friends, which you have made clear by all your “first-hand accounts” of what happens. Whatever the reason, get over it little man. Nobody cares that he took your ball and sent you home crying.

March 26/19


This is what Greg’s “Statement of Facts” said, “The testimony of Mary Ann Montgomery was struck by the Appellate Division, and therefore, is not included in this statement of facts.”

This is the decision of the Appellate division to strike the testimony-“Admission of the testimony of the barmaid concerning defendant's statements to her did not violate the hearsay rule (see, Prince, Richardson on Evidence §§ 8-201, 8-202 [Farrell 11th ed.] ).   The evidence nonetheless falls within the exclusionary rule of People v. Molineux, 168 N.Y. 264, 291-294, 61 N.E. 286.   Although the evidence tended to establish the identity of defendant and his brother as the kidnappers, as well as their complicity and intent, the slight probative value of the evidence on those issues was outweighed by its prejudicial impact (see, People v. Allweiss, 48 N.Y.2d 40, 47, 421 N.Y.S.2d 341, 396 N.E.2d 735).   There is a danger here that the jury viewed the evidence as establishing defendant's criminal bent or character as an abductor of young women (see, People v. Hudy, 73 N.Y.2d 40, 54-55, 538 N.Y.S.2d 197, 535 N.E.2d 250;  People v. Crandall, 67 N.Y.2d 111, 500 N.Y.S.2d 635, 491 N.E.2d 1092).   We nonetheless conclude that the admission of the evidence, together with the failure of the People to give notice of their intention to use it (see generally, People v. Ventimiglia, 52 N.Y.2d 350, 361-362, 438 N.Y.S.2d 261, 420 N.E.2d 59), is harmless error.   There is overwhelming evidence of defendant's guilt and no significant probability that the jury would have acquitted defendant but for the error (see, People v. Crimmins, 36 N.Y.2d 230, 241-242, 367 N.Y.S.2d 213, 326 N.E.2d 787).

This is some of the testimony this witness gave during the trial:

Hmm.....Prejudicial, prosecution failed to give notice of using this witness, she testified that her sworn police statement was inaccurate. Who cares, though, that this testimony should not have been legally allowed to be presented to the jury while other evidence should have, aka exculpatory evidence like the fact that Heidi gave LE names of drug dealers, that her CI card was dropped in the very parking lot where she worked and that LE had partial fingerprints in their very own file.


This may not be the best or only example from Greg's filing....way to go, Greg, using struck testimony to bolster your case with the Appeal.



March 23-25/19



Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Liz is utterly oblivious to Rob’s flirting and screwing. Don't let the looks of the pretty petit beauty fool you. They have been hooking up together and not at the Dunsmore Elizabeth Lake. Hard to believe but completely true. The only thing that I can think of is that it has to be his badge or he has a big d*ck because he is one short ugly motherf**ker.
what I do know is that Liz controls the Rob Ramsey household and calls all the shots. Rob managed to go undetected for several years before she found out that he was in love with another woman. She continues to blame his friends of covering up for him. When she found out the first time Rob was screwing around, she rendered him helpless and made sure to remind him everyday that everything they had together was listed in her name; the house, cars, boat, bank account and threatened to take everything, leaving him with nothing. This woman can be frightening. When she gets on one of her mad at Rob nights, her right eye bulges out, she turns green, and her head starts to spin uncontrollably with that annoying laugh of hers, and suddenly you feel like you are in the movie the Exorcists. It is some scary shit. Lizzy is obsessively aggressive and puts the feeble man on a very tight leash. The same stories over and over again. “Rob caught cheating” “Liz has another mental break down” “Liz threatens to leave Rob” “Rob bows down to her dominance” “Stay clear of her wrath, she is at it again.” "Rob has no balls"

March 23-25/19

Mr. S didn’t see anyone in the van. Mr. S didn’t see defendant in van.

Gary “made no admissions” as testified by inmates and written in court papers. There was no physical evidence linking Heidi to either brother on April 3, 1994, yet the Appellate Division found ‘overwhelming evidence in contradiction to alibi witnesses’?

Mrs. Duell testified to several register transactions during that morning and from police notes provided by Greg’s filing for the Hearing, we see other purchases not specifically testified to. She testified to the register being turned on at 4:06am on April 3, 1994. She had the register tape to refer her testimony to.

Witness on route 104 hears Richards van go by toward the store and within a half hour hears Richards van go by again.

Richard sees Heidi, makes his purchase, and leaves as Mr. S is leaving. Goes home to family as they prepare to have Easter Holiday at another relatives.

Mr. Stinson didn’t see any customers at the store when he got there. He didn’t see anyone grab Heidi. Mr. Stinson notices register time/wall clock time and personal time differed.

Inmates claim this is what they ‘gathered’ from asking Gary questions as they were eavesdropping on his home phone calls; they claim that Richard and Gary took Heidi from the store to near Gary’s house “to talk to her” because they thought she was going to screw Gary on something. They claim that Richard (alone) went back to drop Heidi at the store, left again but forgot to get cigarettes then went back to get them. They claim Gary was upset about the furnace being confiscated and “teeth burning” so that must be what happened to Heidi. They also claim that he chopped her up with an army fold-up type shovel and buried her on his property. **What is that date that the army fold-up shovel was mentioned in the news? April 25, 1994. Wonder how many people thought that shovel was connected to Heidi. LE wasn’t saying and Gary and Richard hadn’t been arrested though they knew they were being investigated? HHmmm, interesting timeline of events. The inmates made their statements at the beginning of July 1994? And LE testified that no shovel of that type was confiscated from Gary’s property.**

I’d be interested to know who the jurors ‘thought’ were disinterested witnesses to be believed. How many witnesses testified to LE having them sign statements which were not entirely true?

One neighbor didn’t like Gary. One neighbor contradicted his brother (younger sibling testifies to not seeing Richard’s van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994 when both were outside in the morning hours). One witness changes his testimony vs his signed affidavit—called an ‘expert witness’ because he worked in an auto parts store but changes his description several times of the vehicle he saw AND tries to plead the 5th when asked about insurance claim forms AND says during testimony, “I don’t want to send an innocent man away”. One witness had sketchy past with a girlfriend. Two witnesses were criminals (that received a ‘deal’ in contradiction to what the ADA led the community and judges to ‘believe’). Don’t even get me started on the contradictions and withholding from the LE witnesses. One witness should have not been allowed to testify to begin with. Timeline doesn’t fit with “facts” like testimony of when the register was turned on vs when Heidi arrived to work. Timeline doesn’t fit with transactions at the store vs what the inmates testified to.

Dodd must have a powerful presence to pull the wool over the jurors’ eyes to get the conviction. He had ‘psychological effect’ on his side. Ergo, having the jurors go to the garage to see the van even though there was testimony to no link. Ergo, having the FBI agent partially testify about what was found in the furnace and soot piles. Ergo, presenting a shovel which matches the description testified by the inmates that wasn’t even confiscated from the Thibodeau’s. ‘What if, what if…we don’t want to let this guy get away with it’. Lest we forget, “I don’t have to prove”. I’m “not turning over everything” nor saying what I’m not turning over. Drive by the store, Rice Road or any place mentioned with this case and tell me you don’t ‘feel something’? That would be psychological effect.

Prosecutorial Misconduct _

False Identification _


Flawed Forensic Evidence _




March 23-25/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
We didn't press Jenn like we should have....she knew stuff that would have hung us. After all she was interrogated after she was offered immunity

roger couldn't account for one hour of where he was on Easter Morning..o'well who cares.

Richard said he couldn't account for an hour..Richard said..BS! And gave a depo to explain where he was.

No cabins, Never were any cabins...oh look! There's a cabin!

MB had a white van the day of the kidnapping. Maybe he'll let me borrow it to go fishing.

Where the hell am I gonna find some snitches in Oswego custody. Wit, Gary is from MA. That's it, that's what we'll do.

Ocsd deputy lied on the stand...nothing happened. Gary's wife didn't and she was taken to court for it...hmmmmmmm.

MB got a DA DWI file faxed to him? Must have been a mis-dial, but the fax reports has the time, date, to who and how many pages. Forget, we don't need it, not for this case.

Jenn confessed that she lied. Girls will be girls, let it go before it becomes something important.

GT wasn't seen at the store that day...well stupid make something up.

The vans the vans.."after 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans...was she pressed to give up more? Nope just asked who told her that. Roger and Tracy..J W.

So here's a big piece of evidence that got buried. Oh I mean another piece f evidence that got buried.

Did anyone ever hear of the OCSD interrogating James Steen about the Heidi Allen crime?

And the lies go on. Usually they lead to an arrest....TICK TOCK< TICK TOCK!

March 23-25/19



Rob certainly has a thing for bartenders. Especially the petite young beauty at the bar he frequents. Too bad for him it takes more than a badge to impress some women. I’ve watched him make moves on her even with his wife present more times than not. Apparently Robs brain is too small to comprehend that she’s not interested, the expression on her face says it all! Liz either doesn’t care or is completely oblivious to it all. Some of us men know that if she’s young enough to be our daughter , you can look but don’t touch. Shame on you Rob!

March 22/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sens
Here's your answer to the van it was white, off white and rusted. It was gray in spots and the entire inside was red scuff. All of the descriptions were correct. Notice none of them ever claimed it had a huge black stripe. The van was being prepped for paint. It was having body work done. The blue van towed from Gary's was a distraction to the white van they pulled off from valley road.
Never noticed that no one mentioned anything about seeing stripes on the van.
Woman from Fulton saw van behind her in Mexico but said it was light blue...hmmmm.
No one will ever convince me that some of the OCSD deputies were not selling coke and were not involved with the murder and cover up of Heidi Allen.
Not to mention the railroading of an innocent person.
Will the 2 deputies that stopped a car back then, found coke, took the coke and let the guy go...please step forward. True story.

March 22/19



The Van
The Van on Valley Road was blue. I have a picture of it.
I posted it once on Facebook...and the cops came a knocking....

March 21/19

Here's your answer to the van it was white, off white and rusted. It was gray in spots and the entire inside was red scuff. All of the descriptions were correct. Notice none of them ever claimed it had a huge black stripe. The van was being prepped for paint. It was having body work done. The blue van towed from Gary's was a distraction to the white van they pulled off from valley road.

March 20/19


To the person speaking for ALL
You do not speak for me and nor do you speak for many others that have an out right dislike for the Sheriffs. You may be an ass kisser but not every citizen is. Next time make sure you speak souly for yourself the lies the sheriff's have told have given them a terrible reputation. I do not know what county you live in but in OZ, your idea of you speaking for everyone is pathetic and it's dead wrong. Making assumptions in OZ, smh...seems that's what the sheriff's and the DA already do. Just ask the Thibodeau family.

March 20/19


Gary Thibodeau...the Death Of Common Sense
" they brought her to my house in Mikes white van"....Jenn W.

" I borrowed Mikes white van after he had it repaired. Used it to scrap". Man admitting to using MB's white van.

This is stated in the articles from Porch light. If I remember correctly.




March 19/19

Plant? It's obvious by the 94 news reports the sheriff's brought an army folded shovel out of an investigators vehicle with muscle or tissue on it. When asked why they had it. The Sheriffs declined to speak to the reporters. This shovel they brought out and got caught with had no connection to the kidnapping. None. It was apparently one they claim they borrowed, my question for what purpose would you need a second shovel, in one investigation, if they found one on Thibodeau property. That first one on Thibodeau property ruled out there was no connection. Funny a second one appears. Why else would they have it? The Sheriffs have given no answers to anything they've done.

March 17/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To Brian Hewitt

Mike Bohere got a Da's DWI file faxed to him. I believe he got it to talk to Bivens about changing his mind about saying RT's vana was not the van he saw.

Changed his mind in court didn't he?....right after MB got the fax.

Why would MB get a fax from the DA's office?

IMO I believe some deputies etc were selling coke and thought Heidi was going to go to the FBI etc.

The "Three" allegedly were hired to get rid of her and cover the entire truth.

Just my opinion but think about it and all the other events..J. Barkely denying the text, Roger, MB and Steen bragging about killing her to TEN different people.

MB's white van never investigates even after a person said he had borrowed it to junk after MB had it repaired.

Jail snitch now ready to change his story, time line at the store etc.

No one seeing Gary there.

Gary wasn't the criminal, some of the OCSD and others were.

March 15-16/19


Someone once asked that if Gary was framed and/or railroaded, why wasn’t something planted?

Several answers---

First being that eventually something was but not in the sense that the item was physically linked to the Thibodeau’s or to Heidi. And that item was…an army fold-up shovel.

Richard’s van forensically tested April 9, 1994

April 1994 during ground searching, reporter witnesses a shovel in a law enforcement vehicle. Law enforcement refuses to comment at the time.

April 28, 1994 - Richards van is again searched because of being seen at a car wash. Carpet piece cut out, law enforcement seize piece and forensically test for DNA.

Police notes per the DA’s filing for the hearing show that an army fold-up shovel was found during ground searching on Levitt (Leavitt) Road.

Gary’s property searched and furnace confiscated June 1994

Gary’s property searched July 1994, after inmates gave statements

Per trial testimony from Sheriff and the FBI agent, “no morphological details to suggest human origin” was found in the furnace or soot piles, no army fold-up shovel was confiscated from Gary’s property and no connection between Heidi and Gary was found.

SO, Why was the ____ shovel even admitted into the trial? Why were the jurors allowed to go to the Sheriff’s garage to see the van if there had been testimony from several law enforcement that there was no connection to Heidi? I’ll tell you why___ Psychological Effect___. The ADA had nothing so they had to make the case emotional. Which wasn’t very difficult considering the gravity of the situation and how many people were personally affected. First and foremost, Heidi’s connection to a judge. Why do you think it took so many perspective jurors to seat the 12 + 4 alt’s? Even now, after all that has come out about the trials back in 1995 and the hearing in 2015, why are unbiased people able to look at the evidence, or lack of as the case may be, to see that they are innocent? Unbiased people have nothing to lose or gain either way. What did law enforcement have to lose or gain? Pride, promotion??

*If only the CRB had come to a conclusion from the totality of information the police and DA’s office had from this case instead of the cherry picked, biased information sent to them. Look at the incomplete “Statement of Facts” that Greg filed. Should have read “Prosecutions Presentation to Affirm Conviction” or “Statement of Prosecution Facts” or “Statement of Some Facts”. As a percentage, how much of the “Statement of Facts” was just testimony from the prosecutions side vs the defense side?*

March 15-16/19


Lies to the Appellate Division--Gregory Oakes



March 15-16/19


Hindisght 20/20 when you don't have all the facts/evidence/proof
Biased filing…wouldn’t expect anything less from a DA who can’t take the blinders off or who is easily manipulated.

I realize the case before the Court was about Gary….Oakes does mention, though, that separate trials where held and Gary was convicted. Why not mention that the other trial resulted in an acquittal?

Minor detail-Mr. Swenszkowski “recalls the van plate number…”PU”…”55”….” You do know that Dodd was quoted in the news in 1994 giving Richards plate number publicly. You do also know that he testified that he was only in the store a couple minutes, tops, and opened his pack of cigarettes before he began leaving the store lot? Something I find rather….intriguing-Mr. Swenszkowki’s testimony of the van being parallel to the store but yet, shortly after, the van moved to the outer pump (when Richard didn’t even purchase gas) to where Bivens supposedly saw the altercation.?

“Mrs. Fabian positively identified Richards van as the van she saw swerving”. Based solely on a front view and witness massaging….? Nice touch, Dodd. Most of your witnesses were not “Positive” until trial. Like Bivens, Mrs. Fabian, Ms. Montgomery (whose testimony was stricken by the same Appellate Division past decision in which Oakes is using as an argument to oppose a new trial or exoneration..

“In the absence of any other

explanation, the jury could have reasonably concluded that the female voice

belonged to Heidi Allen.”…How about this for another explanation….the female voice was Sharon Thibodeau. OR the “witnesses” didn’t hear the arguing on April 3. Kind of like how they supposedly saw Richards van at Gary’s on April 3 when it was really on April 9 when Richard picked Gary up to help search.

March 15-16/19


Gary Thibodeau..The Death Of Common Sense
- Why would an inv. and DA Oakes interrogate Jenn W. about the taped phone call after Oakes told Tonya it was useless.

- Funny thing is, the inv. were telling Tonya what questions to ask Jenn!!!!

- How the hell did MB get a fax from the DA's office/ DWI file? I think this and the other 500 things show this was a cover up. Wouldn't the OCSD inv. this and find out...may have been a good clue.

- After Jenn told them they brought Heidi to her house in MIKE BOHERE'S VAN why wasn't his van searched, tested or processed for DNA, hair etc.?
Seems like this would have been a good place to start, but they said they couldn't find or didn't know if MB even owned a van. Try the DMV...they have records.
Or ask the guy who said he borrowed it after MB had it repaired.

- Can you all see that some of the OCSD deputies and others were involved in this murder? They didn't screw the inv. up by accident, it was done as a cover up.


"I know more about this case than the OCSD does"...James Steen
"After 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans"...Jenn Wescott
" They told me they took care of her in a van"..Jenn Wescott
" Heidi was never a CI ( just because her CI card had her name, code name doesn't prove a thing. another cover up.
" I don't know who sent that text to Mike the morning of the murders...I only own the phone. anyone could have used it. Didn't he say he was partying at James Steen's house the nite before? CYA Heidi tells me he knew James Steen was involved in her murder.

- You have to talk to Roger's wife...Jenn Wescott
- Roger and Tracy told me...Jenn Wescott
- Richard couldn't account for an hour on Easter Sunday. Richard said he never said that. And who could kidnap, kill and get rid of a body in one hour? Deputy is a liar.

- County issued cars going into the airport at 3-4 am...I was told to my face that the coke was coming in from the airport.




WE all hope you get inv. and go to prison.





March 15-16/19



Heidi Allen...to be continued

Thank you, Brian, for continuing to post videos about this….
To answer your question about it making sense, it won’t because Johnathan Barkley IS A LIAR (just like Jennifer Wescott and a multitude of deputies involved with investigating this case) There’s none of this ‘the deputy is trying to make him look like a liar’ he was caught. Mr., you ARE A LIAR. And if you were to understand psychology, your reaction was typical deflection and agitation because Pietroski got you to tell the truth even though you initially LIED and the public can hear for themselves his lies. (Psychology appears to be above some people’s mental capacity, especially with the case of a missing young woman from their own community) Some of us do know how 2 + 1 = 4.
This witness was answering questions from an Oswego County Sheriff’s deputy with the least amount of integrity, only being beaten by the DA Greg. Whole bunch of CYA going on from the witnesses and law enforcement over the past 6 years. “Be on your way, Sir, and don’t talk to anyone about this case.” Same for Jennifer?
Pietroski and Greg are the DIRECT reasons that the truth about Heidi has not come out publicly. They lack the integrity to correctly piece the puzzle. Oh, “WE” know that Gary and Richard did not kidnap Heidi! “We” know that far better leads have come the past 6+ years. “We” are better investigators than those paid to find what happened or Where’s Heidi. Is there, finally, someone amongst the ranks that can show some character and integrity? Look at the evidence and the record and Investigate This Properly!!

March 8/19


Conspiracy or just more lies by Greg
I have access to the original messages if any officer would actually like to do their job. Here's the messages and its content. Is it a conspiracy or just flipping highly unusual the same names keep popping up in repeated deaths?
"Do you you remember when Murtagh was telling everyone he knew something and was going to bring Heidi home? I talked to Lisa Peebles because I always suspected Murtagh in the death of my brother. My mom received a call from John Obrein, that Murtagh claimed my brother dug a deep hole for Thumper, (aka James Steen) and that's probley where Heidi is. Lisa and John both knew he was lying, that's when Lisa and John told me rumor has it Thumper shot my brother. Jenn and Roger can rot, I was friends with both of them, I thought they were my brothers friends they kept me close so I wouldn't dig and told me crap all these years. (Attempted to convince the messenger that the victim did commit suicide.) They fn lived with me, I took Roger in and they betrayed me."
Just know messenger you aren't alone for your search for the truth to your loved one. I hope you, along with my own family some day have that truth and justice they and you deserve.

February 9/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Above the law...reply

This case was NOT botched.


- Cty issued vehicles in and out of the airport 4-5 am per the neighbors
- Deputy lied on the stand
- Jenn Westcott told the story and King closed the book on her

- EVERYONE who saw a van said it was blue or it was not the same van as Richards
- CI or not CI. One deputy who ran that area said she was.
- Is parking in front of your brothers house a crime?
- No DNA, etc in the van
- Mike Bohere gets FAX from the DA's DWI file... this shows that someone in the DA's office or the OCSD was involved in her murder.
- I still believe the some OCSD were involved because they were selling coke and sent the fax so MB would go talk to Bivens to change his mind about the van and get a favor from the Sheriff's office
- Files breached
- witnesses massaged to tell a different story
- MB hearing about the bracelet that Heidi had hid and then it turns up ten years later....
- Deputy lied when he said RT had no explanation for an hour that day...well neither did Breckingridge
- watch the JW interrogation. They did nothing with the info...dog n pony show.
- Impossible for the bros. to take her, talk to her and return her in the time line.
- Richard was seen at the store by Swenkowski but Gary was not....no one saw a kidnapping except Pierce ( who was discredited by King ) and Bivens who's story is a lie.
- The ( three ) each admitting to doing it but no investigation of them.
- Time line at the store...I still have my doubts about who, what and when.
- and Judge King stopping Lisa every chance he got.

My take: Some of the OCSD were selling drugs. Heidi found out and maybe said something.
MB, Breckenridge and Steen were hired to get her and would be helped by some of the OCSD to cover up the crime to also save their necks.

_ Now add in Oakes who told lisa.." I don't have a lot of confidence in the OCSD investigation."
Later changed his mind and said he did...because someone got to him and sat him down for a talk.

Gary is innocent. Some members of the OCSD and others are GUILTY!!!!!!!

February 9/18

Dancing with Bohrer
Mr. Greg Oakes is running for re election. God granted 3 to 4 others run against him. A part of that change everyone wanted was not just the Sheriff Dept., but the District Attorneys office. The county needs 3 to 4 candidates to run, to put Greg in a bad spot, he will be in a run for, his livelihood. This year is going to be fun, because Karma comes in many forms. Seeing as you took the life and livelihood of another, Gary Thibodeau. I wonder how you'll feel when the people vote all of you dirty politicians out of office. Because it's already happened. It'll continue to escalate to the point your careers are done. Just ask Sullivan. He knows!!! Gary's anniversary of his death, the disappearance of Heidi Allen anniversary is coming at the begining the middle and hopefully at the end of your campaign, the damage of the life you have destroyed will in turn destroy you. No one supports you, Greg. Unless they have some way of getting a political gain.
Here's one example of an online public post, I can't copy and paste thousands but this poster alone, said what we all are thinking; Mark Sherman; "Tell them that Oakes sucks and has to go. I will vote for his opponent if he is republican candidate." Mark Sherman you are not alone, he does suck. Others are requesting his arrest. "This scum should be locked away," another poster wrote.
I second that, I know many who will 3rd, 4th, 5th,.so on...1000th that vote.

February 7-8/18

Michael Bohrer
Really, Mrs. Sturtz, Rick Benningfield suspected Mike Bohrer. And you didn’t believe his suspicions why? Clearly he was an unbiased person. Which can’t be said for people who are trying to cover the incompetence of fellow officers. Mrs. Sturtz goes on to admit that the family intentionally kept it hidden about Heidi’s brush with the law and fact that she was giving law enforcement names of people who were selling drugs.

Is Mr. Benningfield still alive? Wonder if anyone tried to reach him for a statement. Rephrase, wonder if the defense tried…because the Sheriff’s don’t give a crap about who truly kidnapped Heidi….Hopefully though, the new Sheriff’s administration will look into this case, among others.

While it is a little comfort knowing that GOD shall punish those for ‘bearing false witness’ against thy neighbor, it is heartbreaking that it’s satisfactory to just have a conviction, now, for many of Heidi’s family and friends.

I follow another local missing person case and see drastic differences in how they act in finding/wanting the Truth about their loved one.

Dodd weaved a pretty good story, though. Telling people just what they wanted to hear. “We are 99.9% certain” Gary and Richard acted together…. 99.9% certain only got one conviction, why was that??? Could the answer be because it was impossible….I, for one, am glad that Richard’s jurors could see the evidence and weaved story for what it was….not amounting to the truth!!


December 17-18/18

Asking for a friend..
Big ol Barney refused then to answer any further questions. Why he was ever cleared by Wheeler is beyond mosts understanding, follow the coke and the money. Wheeler was so terrified to answer any of Peebles questions he took off running when he saw her investigator coming and I'll quote him he said, "You people want to put me in prison." Well yes officer, yes we do. He then ran and locked himself behind a door, none of them will answer any questions. Not even the Sheriff's and DA Oakes or Moody, don't ask them a damn thing all they do is lie, sounds just like Barney and Wheeler. See attached, also take note a witness caught a red truck and innocent Brett Law at the store that morning parked side by side. Maybe Brett needs to come clean about his friendship to Barney, but then again he to refuses to answer any further questions. If not I personally can lead the new sheriff straight to a common friend of theirs so he knows these boys are all full of shit. Including Jeremy Powers who is linked to the same union as bad ass biker bitch Barney. Dig, Hilton it's all there, maybe Powers the mysterious cabin digger should come clean on who his neighbor is and who, was in the woods and how that neighbor of his "Chucky" links straight to Roger Breckenridge. All friends all linked all can be proven if Hilton was to pull up one thing the law suit Chucky faced by Breckenridges 2 nephews Mike West and Harry West he will see the link. Oakes did Steen ever live on Powers property? Jeremy tisk tisk you truly think no one knows? Please bud he lived smack dab between you and Chucky for several years in a bright blue mobile home with an old lady relative of yours. Hilton may want to interrogate you himself seeing as the nimrod sheriff's couldn't figure that all out but Chucky LOL is with Rogers relative, go have coffee Jeremy and warn Chucky the cats out of the bag. Chucky, Debbie Vechio pointed right at your house she watched you two nimrods enter your front door. One form is all Hilton needs the law suits from the west family to prove the connection they used Alexander and Catalono one broke their ankle and one broke his hip on the job both walked away w wads of cash. Takes a real officer to hunt down facts. These are all facts, Jeremy best hope Hilton doesn't connect the dots. Chucky you also have explaining to do. Asking for a friend who is your significant other, wouldn't happen to be Breckenridge sister.


November 17/18





Here is a picture of a van that was posted on this web.

Look bluish white with dark doors and a stripe that can be seen in the back?

Is this the van Bivens said twice that he saw? Is this the van Mrs. Fabin saw and said it was lt. blue swerving behind her in Mexico?

Jenn  " there were two vans".

Blue to kidnap her and white to get rid of her.

So why was the OCSD so adamant about it being white?

Because Richard had a white van?  Oh yeah I think it was.


October 18/18



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
I am going to post this again because I really believe this is why MB got a fax about Bivens' DWI case and Bivens changed his story about the van in court.

Bohere gets a fax from the DA's DWI file.

It's about Bivens' DWI case.

Bohere talks to Bivens and confronts him that if you help them convict Gary by changing your story of the van you saw, maybe they'll drop your DWI charge.

Why would Bohere get a fax about Bivens' DWI charge...think about it.

Then connect the dots of OCSD cars going into the airport at 3-4 am and the fact they did everything they could NOT to arrest the " three" other guys even after Jenn gave them all the info they needed.

LE knew who to protect, who was getting kick backs to ignore drug deals, who was selling it.

October 16/18



Thank you Mr. Stinson
I'm trying to reconcile who owned a two tone Bronco and a red pickup truck that a witness claimed were in the D&W parking lot at or around 7:45am.

They didn't belong to Mr. Swenszkowski, Mrs. Granger, you. Mr. Wiltse, at the 7:39am transaction time, testified to no other cars being there and seeing the red car before he left.

There are police notes/leads that have been made public that just might explain who the vehicles could have belonged to. One of them could have belonged to the "probably suspect" person on April 14, 1994. Curiously, the person who claimed to have seen the 2 vehicles around 7:45am made his statement on April 13, 1994 after a 're -interview', if I remember correctly. But that person was already named on a lead from Mr. Allen previous to this witness' interview. What time did Brett Law leave the store? He testified to 6:35am but Lisa Buske's book said he left at 7:15am. Is that what you remember from reading "Where's Heidi?"?

Curious how Brett was ruled out. According to police notes, Brett's Bronco was white and brown. Was it simply because of the time he said he left? I don't recall if the D&W co-owner that testified at the Hearing confirmed what time Brett left. It did come to light in the trial that Brett assaulted an ex-gf and didn't treat Heidi very well, from witness statements. I'm also curious how Heidi's diaries/day planners were used in Richard's trial vs not being available for Mr. Fahey to peruse himself when they came to light during Gary's sentencing.

When looking at a crime such as this where it appears that Heidi had to have been lured out of the store, either by someone she knew or a customer that was having trouble at a pump, someone with a motive would seem more plausible rather than someone that had no link to Heidi.?.

Something that I have a REALLY hard time wrapping my head around is...How can Heidi's family still trust law enforcement, Dodd, Oakes and Todd specifically, when they are firm to the belief that the inmates were telling the truth that Heidi and Gary had a drug relationship? It just doesn't fit, especially with what came out with Brett Law's most recent interview to police.

Clearly the times were off. But by how much? 2 minutes, 5 minutes 10 minutes? Time enough for some people to meet up in the parking lot for a drug deal as police were told happened?

Has anyone else considered the vehicle placement from Bivens, Mr. Pierce and that 7:45am lead? Doesn't Bivens testify that the van was parked perpendicular to the store near the single front door? What sense would that make for anyone who was brazen enough to kidnap another person during daytime, on a Holiday when people would be driving the streets to go to church or to relatives' houses, to park perpendicular when the vehicle could have been used to obstruct view?

October 13/18

The good ol boys should be nervous. Seeing as there is a lack of common sense in the Sheriff Department and the DA Office, they may comprehend one thing. Hilton's victory was "we the people" coming for you. It was their way of saying after watching the drugs, the deaths, the lies, the murders, the injustice seep through every cranny of oz, we the people flipped you the bird. Many that night made phone calls to others, many laughed their asses off when Hilton won, we knew your time was done. Many cried that night a flicker of hope was all they needed and the hope rests in Hilton's hands. So Sheriffs it's time for a deep cleaning after the death of Gary Thibodeau and the many sick things you've done to others, we pray the ones who intentionally did this, spend the remainder of their lives behind bars. Many also hope Greg Oakes, Moody, Petrowski are lead from the department in cuffs by federal authorities with Dodd and both Todd's in shackles, just as they did to Gary Thibodeau, don't forget to lead them down the stairs Gary fell down. Times ticking. Some day, you'll run out of time, maybe it'll kick off in 2019. If so enjoy your holiday. May it be your last free world holiday you ever spend not behind bars. Shaking in your boots I hear, good it's time the fear you've sent out in to the community haunts you, until it catches up with you and the last words you hear are you have the right to remain silent. Hilton's standing at the gates of Oz, point blank hell, if he listens to Johnny Cash he will remember this when he faces the reality of Oz, we can only hope he never backs down https://youtu.be/N8i5NLyXZdc


October 13/18

Enough said..

One or two jurors were wrong. Hung jury, how funny, so which one of the bunch swayed the jury?


October 13/18

Is Bivens color blind?
Reading about this Bivens is the 2nd 0r 3rd witness to say the van was light blue.

Mrs. Fabin in a statement about a van behind her said the same thing.
Bivens stated wrong van twice and then after they showed him pictures of it he changed his mind in court and helped convict an innocent man.

Just wondering would this swing in his testimony be held up in court?
Twice he denied it and it still held up.

And all this time Mike Bohere had a white van. What happened to it?
Was it crushed, sold, given away?

I think I remember the OCSD said they couldn't find any record of him owning a white van just weeks after the crime.

A person testified to Mike letting him use it to scrap.


And of course there wasn't any cover up in this crime.

Please contact the OCSD with any info and they will shred it as soon as they get it.

Do you remember Tonya on TV saying she was getting death threats? From who? Gary was in prison and he wouldn't do it any way, she was helping him.

Guess who.

October 13/18


Before contacting the OCSD you might want to wait until after the first of the year when the new sheriff takes over.

This sheriff has yet to show any interest in getting to the truth.




Today's Quote October 12/2018

The smallest deed is better than the greatest intention. John Burroughs
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_burroughs_120946

The smallest deed is better than the greatest intention.

John Burroughs


There has to be a reason he would go along with what Dodd and the police told him.
Though I hate to agree with Mike Bohrer as he is a piece of shit...he was right about Bivens' first statement being closest to the truth. His testimony certainly wasn't truthful. Page 1297 of the trial transcript, Bivens first mentions that male 2 had a limp. If that was correct, that would make Richard (according to the 'theory') as the person holding Heidi. How tall was Richard? Noticeably shorter than Heidi.

Gary's verdict failed all the rules the judge gave to them. Check the partial judges instructions posted here on September 27, 2018.

Have ya'll carefully considered the leads that were posted in Lisa Peebles' filing? https://www.scribd.com/document/244161048/Part-3-Thibodeau-Response-to-DA-in-Heidi-Allen-Case

October 12/18

From Gary "the Innocent" Thibodeau

October 20, 2018 @ 2pm-Meet and greet


October 12/18

Stephen Miller's 3rd Grade Teacher Calls Him 'A Strange Dude' Who Ate Glue


October 12/18


Stinson answers
Stinson was driving a little grey car. Make and model not remembered. I've owned three. I know it wasn't the first (Ford escort), the wife totaled that while the kids were still young enough to hang upside down in car seats, I know it wasn't the third one (Chevy Lumina), the youngest was old enough to total that one, Yup, had to be the second one. Funny what we do remember.

October 12/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Death of common sense:

Example #1. If Bivens says he saw a man with a girl in a bear hug and the OCSD and Dodd and Oakes are adamant about Richard and Gary as the true suspects, consider this.

Swenkowski testified to seeing Richard there, even had to swerve around his van as they were both leaving the parking lot...his testimony.

#1. If it were Richard's van with Gary, then at the time Swenkowski was leaving, Swenkowski should have seen the crime...which he did not.

#2. Bivens should have seen a red sports car that Swenkowski was driving, but he didn't.

How can that be? Saw a van but not a red sports car next to it?

And why didn't he say he saw a red car? Because he didn't.

He didn't because both Richard and Swenkowski both left and Bivens saw a van that came in after this and he watched a kidnapping.

My hunch has always been someone came after Richard left and grab Heidi.

And I remember reading Steen said ...we just got lucky, a van was there just before us.

I think he told that to Tonya and after that I believe Tonya said Thumper there is an innocent man sitting in prison. Thumper said.."not my problem."

Just more reason to believe Richard and Gary did not do this.

And Dodd if you go to trial for this cover up...BETTER USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!
Or better yet..."DROP A DIME"

October 12/18


stinson adds
Now that I'm not concentrating on it, I think it was a saturn.



Today's Quote October 11/2018

There is nothing is more musical than a sunset.
Claude Debussy

Mr. Stinson
Thank you for recalling specific details about April 3, 1994.
Were you driving a red pickup truck that morning?
Thank you for your response.


October 11/18

Scott DelConte
I see the "Republican Haters", the "Trump Sheep", are trying to discredit a very good man, with vast amount of experience and temperament to hold the Oswego County Judge seat. This is the typical hate campaign that is so standard of the truly uneducated people who subscribe to the Trump philosophy.
Scott will be an excellent Judge who will make fair judgments based on the facts instead of party politics, which is typical of the Republican Judicial System that now rules Oswego County.
Maybe if Scott was the judge for the Thibodeau trial, there may have been a different outcome.
I will vote for Scott DelConte and if you want a judicial system that is fair, you should also.


October 11/18

Have to laugh
I recently sat by one of the families involved in Heidi Allen, Hilton was brought up, wouldn't you know it they are spreading Hilton's corrupt. I have to laugh must be fear is getting to them. An outsider coming in, so now they want to destroy his integrity as they did Gary Thibodeaus. I then brought up the idea drug use in Oswego is higher than any area is New York LOL once again they claimed Hilton's dirty doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. I hope one of the words they hear from Hilton is, you have the right to remain silent. Maybe then they'll learn to shut their traps. Hilton needs to brace for impact they are out to destroy who he is.

October 11/18

I can say I believe Stitson, I do think he arrived at the time he testified to, I don't think he saw a damn thing as he admitted. The fact is the timeline is off, the cash register was broken, the wall clock was never changed and the only two who collaborated the times to be right on with Officer Curtis's watch time was himself and the store owner Kris Duell, the very person who hired Heidi, who found her CI card, and the one who's file was tampered with. Which ones really the liars, Stitson or the two who lied about the time frame? My guess the 2 who lied, tampered with a hid information. Kris Duell needs to be re interrogated properly by FBI, along with her side kick Curtis who let her inside the store with a crime scene going on. They made certain the scene was tampered with once Kris touched the cash register. Funny how that all worked.

October 11/18


Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign...and the sign says there were two white vans at the store
What we have uncovered but can't do anything about it ( yet ) really shows what a railroad job was done on Gary.

Wouldn't it have been interesting if Gary ..As he should have been ...been acquitted. Then what would the OCSD do?

We know that Jenn W. DID NOT lie on the call with Tonya.
The taped interrogation by Pietroski let her give him a weak explanation that she was just telling Tonya to shut her up. Ever think of hanging up.
Then she fails a poly to this effect.

Second interrogation with Oakes in the room and a lap top appears and papers in Oakes' hands as if the tape stopped and restarted.

Jenn was asked questions and admitted she was told by someone about Heidi....so that pproves she didn't lie on the phone with Tonya.

Now the inv. just got what he wanted and what the f**k does he do....he lets her leave.

The phone call, and the two interrogations were just a dog and pony show. Jenn really didn't commit to anything but what more do you want as a cop trying to solve a case?

I stated before it isn't what they did in this investigation, it's what they didn't do.

She even told them that she didn't know Roger, but stayed at his house and went to Florida with him after the Heidi crime. And this she admitted to.

So you see Oakes why we think and know this is a cover up. She lied, told the truth, lied again, you offered her immunity and knew damn well she would not take it or got scared to take it...all this to make her look not credible.

It's pretty obvious who you are protecting because you should have pushed Jenn and then we would have the truth.
Did you and Dodd protect a mass of people that were in the coca cola business?
How stupid do you have to be to drive a county issued vehicle into the airport at 3-4 am? Should have used your own cars with fake plates.
I wonder what they were doing there? Night flying lessons?
It couldn't be to buy...naw, that can't be true.

Even the airport manager said he should have done more. Hard to believe that he didn't know what was going on. Were there security cameras there?
Were they checked?

See Dodd, it's not what you did, it's what you didn't do.
Having trouble sleeping?
Relax it may all be over soon and you can get one hour of exercise time per day.
October 11/18


Today's Quote October 9-10/2018

It is never too late to be what you might have been.

George Eliot

Can only warn for so long
You can only warn for so long, they truly think they got away with it. It does not seem so to me, the people are furious over Gary Thibodeau and the drugs flowing through their county. My bad to say it, but they should be and many are. Take need in the warnings I'm pretty sure in time someone with balls will take you all down. Let's all agree on one thing it's a fake time line, with no witnesses to even collaborate their time line, no one saw a thing, the only one who said he did was on scene the same time Curtis arrived. Bivens has serious explaining to do and it's disturbing to know a man was prosecuted and died in prison for a time line that's impossible and witnesses that have lied, switched their testimony or statements several times, simply to seal a prosecutors case. Just sickening and completely immoral. Karma is a bitch when it comes back around I believe this next punch Wescott, Breckenridge is going to hurt.

October 9-10/18

Heidi Allen and a clean get away
The idea of a kidnapping in a store, with small space and very neat after the crime probably means one thing.

Heidi knew someone and trusted them enough to go outside and this is where she was probably grabbed.
The Friday paper on the floor?? Don't know. Why would a Friday paper be there on a Sunday and why was it the only one on the floor?

Was it being used to hold in front of someone's face to hide?
Were there forensics done for prints etc?

Who sent MB the fax from DWI dept? Oakes said it couldn't come from DA's office, 3 months too early...but it can be copied and sent from some other fax. Getting MB's fax number by mistake is a very long shot. And very hard to believe.

I looks like they wanted MB to know about Bivens. But why? Is MB involved and possibly some OCSD deputies?

Heidi knew and trusted this one person ( imo ).

Now who would she know enough that would be a kidnapper and possible murderer in this area?

MB stated that she made him a sandwich almost everyday. Meat was on the slicer and she was obviously interrupted before she could make a sandwich. Also MB owned a white van that Jenn alluded to in the taped call that Oakes and King both said was not credible.

Did they ask the inv. sitting next to Tonya and telling her what to ask if the questions were credible. All because Jenn and Tonya talked the night before. Jenn said he kid pushed the wrong button...right!

I think it was all done to discredit Tonya and have anything said dismissed.

Another thing I find odd is Jenn told she knew and was told about Heidi in her second interrogation. But started crying and told the cop that she is really trying to remember and tell him what she knew.

Would anyone forget the facts in an event like this? She remembered there were 2 vans and even told the inv. this. But even though it
seemed like they were after info, I really doubt it. They got the info and did nothing with it...another attempt to discredit or get Jenn out of trouble...even said so...Jenn you're not staying here was said by one inv.

And Jenn telling that " the DA is trying to save me but it's up to the judge." What the hell does that mean? DA trying to save instead of investigate a person who knows something in an unsolved case?

How much massaging of witnesses statements did we read about? Certain situations and people not really being investigated.

Instead of getting a physic ( which don't even exist ) why not get someone from the FBI that reads body language and facial expressions to catch liars?

After 5 years, I think anyone would have asked the FBI for help....why didn't the OCSD?
October 9-10/18


You want to see Murtaugh's tweets from 2015, Well here they are, I saved them: Please pa close attention to the last tweet!

Richard murtaugh retweeted
james gulliver @jgcopycat · Feb 6

"@SarahMoses315: Jennifer Wescott said she lied to Tonya Priest because she just wanted to give Priest attention. #HeidiAllen" woah.

Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Feb 6

#HeidiAllen I'm willing to bet $100,000.00 rt sits right beside the podium so he can try to intimidate jw today .. Mark my words !!

Richard murtaugh retweeted
syracuse.com @syracusedotcom · Feb 3

RT @SarahMoses315: Reuel Todd said in 1994 that #HeidiAllen was not really an informant and there was no informant file for her.

Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 16

#HeidiAllen "trying to intimidate me" but no it didn't work .. No intimidating the truth.. Mouthing " your dead "
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Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 16

#HeidiAllen Richard t sitting in court room trying to intimidate me . That's why I had a side bar with my lawyer ..

Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 14

#heidiallen after 20 plus years this is the best they can come up with? & it all started from towing a van that was never at Gary's .. Joke

October 8/18

Can only warn for so long
You can only warn for so long, they truly think they got away with it. It does not seem so to me, the people are furious over Gary Thibodeau and the drugs flowing through their county. My bad to say it, but they should be and many are. Take need in the warnings I'm pretty sure in time someone with balls will take you all down. Let's all agree on one thing it's a fake time line, with no witnesses to even collaborate their time line, no one saw a thing, the only one who said he did was on scene the same time Curtis arrived. Bivens has serious explaining to do and it's disturbing to know a man was prosecuted and died in prison for a time line that's impossible and witnesses that have lied, switched their testimony or statements several times, simply to seal a prosecutors case. Just sickening and completely immoral. Karma is a bitch when it comes back around I believe this next punch Wescott, Breckenridge is going to hurt.

October 8/18


Stinson replies to common sense.
The remark "you'll have to be better with your time" was said to me by Investigator Hall. 4/7/1994
My first written statement 4/3/94 at 0840 was that I was there at 7:40.( that is on this website.)
When Hall came to me and said, "be better with your time" I replied offhand "7:40 and 1/2."
He replied, " she had a transaction at 7:42"
I replied, " her clock was wrong"
That is what led to our checking the register, my home clock, my watch, etc. See my previous posts.
We've beaten these two minutes to death. I've stated my background, experience etc, in an attempt to reinforce my own accuracy or at least not my own idiocy. I don't want to keep proselytizing me me me . Hell, I might be wrong. In the end, it's just: he said - they said. It ain't evidence. I didn't see anything anyway.
There is nothing more to squeeze out here. I arrived. Heidi was gone. Clocks were close, that's all there is.
Whether there was a fair trial, real evidence, reliable witnesses, recanting jurors, etc - you need to look there.
I wish you luck, it's just not my windmill to slay right now.

October 7/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death and Cover Up Of An Innocent Man
Remember when this all broke in 2013-14? Oakes came out and said there wasn't a cover up.....and there wasn't any evidence either Mr. Oakes.

How much ( facts ) have we uncovered since then. Facts, suspicious acts, lies, lies by Dodd, Oakes and the OCSD.
Jenn was let go by the OCSD inv.

I ( imo ) think the tapes of the interrogations have been audited. One that really jumped out at me was when Jenn was interrogated by Pietroski and he asked her when this happened. She said " in August " and the tape looks as if it were stopped, jumped etc. I am not an expert and maybe this is normal video tape behavior.

How many have come forward to tell about Steen, Mike and Roger saying they did it?

How many said this before or gave other info and were ignored by the OCSD?

Why has Tonya gotten death threats? Are we getting too close to something?
Why wasn't MB's white van followed up on?

Did the OCSD ask neighbors if any of the 3 left early that morning?
Oakes as a lawyer gave evidence late to Lisa.

Jenn practically wrote a short story about what happened and it was ignored too.
WHY? She was ready to tell all and she did after she was caught lying about he taped phone call and still nothing was done with this info.

Really OCSD how much hint do you need to follow and investigate info such as this?

Judge King, you were beautiful, John Gotti would have been proud of you. One F**king year to decide a question??? Quit you job.

As far a appeals go, Lisa is right, she should have won but appeals are hard to win.


Watch this doc on you tube it's ending will knock you over.

October 7/18


I did notice 716 was written on the flip side.
I just find it difficult to fathom that if the deputy who was taking the notes about specific information, like what Heidi was wearing, etc...on the note that they would mistake the last transaction time while the deputy was, my presumption, standing over, so to speak, Mrs. Duell as she was checking the register tape on April 3, 1994.

October 6/18

Mum is the word
It has been said by gallery members at the beginning of Gary Thibodeau’s Hearing that another gallery member handed the prosecution side a purple envelope during the Hearing.

Did judge King address the gallery about no interaction with the gallery and lawyers before or after the envelope was passed to the prosecution? The judge’s instruction about that is on the record. Basically, what I want to know is Did the person hand the prosecution the envelope and then the instructions or did the instructions come first and someone violated the judge’s instruction?

Hey, Murtaugh, whatever happened to your claim that someone keyed your sister’s white truck? Did you report it? If not, why not?

Here’s a tissue, cry baby. If you don’t want dirty looks from people, START Telling The COMPLETE Truth. Same goes……nvm.

October 6/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

Went over this quickly. May be old news to a lot of you but it does have some interesting time problems.
And a quote by a deputy..." you'll have to do better with your time."
Was this written by Michael Bohrer?

October 6/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
***** Richard exited the store, hopped back in to his van . **** Attempting to leave just as fast as he came. Richard watched John as he stood by his car. Richard was waiting for the man to move his vehicle, so he could leave. He was carrying a newspaper. The man threw his newspaper on to the car seat. John then climbed in to his car, and to Richard's amazement, the man started to pack his smokes. By patting the bottom of the pack in the palm of his hand. The man then opened them, pulling out one and lite a cigarette before he even thought of driving off. Finally, he put his seat belt on and John, proceeded to leave. Richard was relieved as he followed the man out of the D&W parking lot.
John said, "As I drove past the van began to move."

In the Da's Facts it gives the impression that the van moved without anyone in it. According to this statement, Richard got into his van and waited for Swenkowski to move so he could leave. Did the story get twisted again? Did the van move because Richard was in it and maybe put it in gear?
This would be a more logical reason Swen. saw the van move 7 feet or so.

Again no one saw Gary there, or Heidi with them in the van.

Then someone pulled in, and they took Heidi. Was Steen's, Mike's and Roger's houses, clothes or cars searched for fabrics? Of course not, that would have cracked the case, and some people would have gone down for this crime.

October 6/18



Today's Quote October 5/2018

Behavior is what a man does, not what he thinks, feels, or believes.
Emily Dickinson

RE: Re Bohrer getting faxes with the DWI unit phone number
“District Attorney Gregory Oakes argued this morning that the faxes would not likely have come from the DA's office because they're dated May 31, 1994. That's three months before the sheriff's Heidi Allen investigative file was moved into the DA's office, Oakes said.”
How about this theory….the fax number showing on the statement that Mike Bohrer had, were from the DA’s DWI unit because Mr. Bivens was facing DWI charges on his October 1993 ‘car accident’?
How about this? The DA’s office was going to give him a hush hush ‘deal’, like what Baldasaro got for
his criminal activity.
Please, people, come forward with the TRUTH.


Please post the above after the link from syracuse.com about Mr. Whipple’s testimony.

The above quote is also from the same article.

October 5/18

Stinson replies:
Yes, My watch was a few minutes off, but I didn’t rely on it to determine my arrival time.
When I left the house, the wife was setting the clock and we were discussing Easter plans.
It probably seldom happens, just before a crime, that two people are talking about the time.
Add about 3 minutes for the drive. (Inv. Hall ran that with me a few times.)
That put me at 7:41 per my home clock. And that’s why I’m confident of my time.
I always believed that I missed Heidi by seconds. How many? I don’t know.
Her last transaction 7:42 register time.
She disappeared. *
I arrived. 7:41 estimated from my home clock.
*If Bivens and also Pierce drove by, didn’t stop and saw an abduction… it was here*
*If there was another van, or she ran away, or whatever… it was here.*
In the seconds or couple of minutes that the register clock vs mine were in error.
I had a little experience in writing reports;
If you notice in my original 1994 statement - I substantiate my statements.
I remember the time - because my wife & I were talking about it.
I remember no one on the road at my house - because I was watching out for my pet geese.
I remember there was no customers - because I zipped dangerously by the front steps.
I didn’t suspect a crime - because the register had a price, her purse was there etc.
That substantiation and writing my statement on “the-day-of” is why I remain confident in my
arrival time, the weather and that I didn’t see anyone else.
To post “7:16” 10/4
Did you notice that 716 is the area code on the flip side of the receipt that is used as a note.
Could it just be a scribbled mistake at a busy crime scene? And not a freudian slip.
Sunrise was 6:45 that day. People would have remembered if they left home in the dark.
So I doubt if the time of last transaction can be backed up to 7:16
The register wasn’t too far off. I was still there when it was opened.
I won’t swear to the time I think it was, because I have since learned what the answer should
Also to other posters 10/4
Thank you,
I’m not offended, I expect to be scrutinized, just not shot over a misunderstood timeline.
You may have this apology:
People that know me will tell you: I’m usually two things - flippant and right. (Both annoying)
I believe there will be further investigation.
So, all I can do is testify as a disinterested witness. (unbiased, but I like that word)
As we age & memories fade, Someday my statements will have to suffice.
But in the end, testimony is just testimony, not evidence.
I appreciate those that follow this case, to find Heidi or if there was an miscarriage of justice.

October 5/18


Something just caught my attention---

Notice the date at the beginning of the “Supplemental Report” from OCSD about Tracy Breckenridge.

Notice the date the documents were stamped ‘Received” and the date written by the deputy on page 3 of 3.

They don’t coincide. No green mark or received by the DA’s office stamp.

These two witnesses were just brought to light from Lisa Peebles about Roger Breckenridge’s possible involvement in Heidi’s disappearance? Certainly the deputy who conducted the interview knew of these people in 1994/1995. HHmmm….
October 4/18

Addition to Was Roger Breckenridge involved


Here is the new revelation about the witnesses.

Thank you to ALL who have the courage and integrity to come forward in whichever manner you choose!!

Special Thank You to Mr. Stinson for reiterating that the register times could not have been correct. Does that explain why a deputy went to the D&W in August 1994 to get the transaction record from April 2, 1994? Why would Mr. Whipple have made a memo about Heidi’s case file being tampered with the very next day the deputy retrieved the April 2, 1994 transaction tape? https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/03/how_did_possible_heidi_


 Half-way in the article is the testimony from Mr. Whipple giving some details about the breach.
October 4/18

To Stinson...from Common Sense
I was using Swenkowski's Richard's and your time that didn't you say you were there at 7:41? Timed with a deputy days later?

But my point was that the DA's witness Bivens, what time was he there? He never said to the OCSD. Later he said " he didn't remember telling a cop that he was there between 8-8:30. He didn't id the van the first two times until they showed him pictures and then changed his mind at trial.

I (imo) don't even think he was there at all. If he was, it had to be after 7:42, which according to you, you had to be there too. So Bivens is "confused: so to speak. I used Swenkowski's time as another reference to 7:41 asa he testified he saw Richard there and saw Richard leave after Richard bought items from HEIDI!!!!

I am not accusing you, but the only Bivens who claims to have seen the crime and didn't call until 3-4 days later strikes me as odd to say the least.

I remember someone saying.."we just got lucky, a van pulled in just before we did."

But if Bivens was there after 7:42 and you were there until after 8 am ( your words ) and other people were there a little later than this really makes me wonder how Biven's testimony held up? Maybe that is why he never gave a time in his first statement to OCSD...make sense?

Bottom line I am using other people to figure out what time he was there. And what cop wouldn't ask him for the time he was there. It isn't in Oakes' Statement of Facts...hmmmmm.

Not pointing my finger at you and I will read again...sorry.

I can't believe anyone could read all of these statements and not see a coverup. Even Mrs. Fabin said the van swerving behind her was light blue, just like Bivens said twice to the OCSD then changed his mind.
October 4/18

Reply to don't mean to confuse you more
Don't mean to confuse you even more. What do you think about the last transaction time being crossed off?
If Swenkowski left house at 7:30 and did buy from Heidi at 7:41 and the last transaction was crossed off and changed from 7:42 to 7:16 that would point to Richard being there around 7:16 as he bought from Heidi. But how do you account for Swenkowski leaving a friend's house at 7:30 ( his watch ) and seeing Heidi and Richard at 7:41? **** if they did back up the clock then that would mean all the customers were there a lot earlier than they thought.

I am not using the cash register's time for what time people were there rather using the time they said the left a house, who they saw and at what time?

Remember there were transactions at or before 7:30 and Heidi was there.

I am pretty sure Swenkowski looked at a clock at friends house before he left to stop at D&W and then go to Nine Mile.

It's possible that the wrong time was written down and then changed.

Maybe I am confused about the time, maybe I am looking at it in a different way. From the customers arrivals not the cash register.

If 7:16 was the last transaction then how do you explain customers like Wiltsie etc seeing Heidi before 7:42? Pretty sure they had some idea of what time they were there.

My take on this:

Richard left and Heidi was still there.
Someone came right after that and took her. Bivens says he saw it all but never gives the OCSD a time he was there.
This, I believe was done intentionally. Every cop gets the time a witness was there.
And to Mr. Stinson ( just a question for my curiosity) if you never got a transaction as Heidi was gone, how are you so sure you were there at 7:41? The register wouldn't have anything to do with your time, you must have looked at your watch. Your watch was off if you believe Biven's account of the crime.

And if you go back you will read where a deputy erinterviews a witness and tells them "they have to do better with their time."

**** not accusing you Mr. Stinson just trying to put a time line in place that a star witness didn't know or tell the cops what time he saw a crime.

If anyone can prove me wrong ( with facts ) please respond. I am on your side with all of this but we all look at things a little differently.

ME: I believe cover up.

Sorry if I offended anyone and in no way am I pointing a finger at anyone mentioned to being involved. Hopefully Lisa wins and the FBI takes over.
October 4/18

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Light blue van as witnesses describe they saw...even Bivens, Mrs. Fabin etc.
ld Chevy C-10 Light blue van with dark blue doors on Route 3
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
There's a light blue Chevy C-10 van on State Route 3 in between Pulaski and Mexico - with dark blue doors - parked on a side lawn of a property in between Pulaski and Mexico on State Route 3 van before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County. . You can easily see it from the road. It's on the left-hand side if you're heading west (toward Mexico). It looks to be around the same year as RT's, but more closely matches the description of some witnesses. It would be interesting to see who the property owner is or who owned the before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County.
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
October 4/18

To Dave Stinson..your statement put on Oswegonylion by you
I had driven to the D&W and arrived at 7:40 - 7:41. Again, My House Time. There was a red
station wagon where an employee would park and a white car out by the corner for sale. But
there were no customer cars, So I zipped by the front steps and parked close. It was raining.

So you can see why I am so curious about the time Bivens was there because he didn't give a time nor did the OCSD ask him for one...sound suspicious? Please do not conclude that I am accusing Stinson of involvement in the Heidi Allen crime...I am not.

This in not about Mr. Stinson, rather just a question of time of crime, time Bivens was there and others that may have been there.

And if Swenkowski was there at 7:41 and saw Heidi and saw Richard there and saw him leave, then someone had to come after 7:42 to grab Heidi.
October 4/18

Trump races against clock to roll back major Obama-era environment rules


October 4/18

To what do you think about the time 7:16 crossed out
Tape from register according to Mrs. Duell:

1. 4:06 am
2. 7:20 am paper bought and Heidi rang it up
3. 7:40 Wiltsie buys paper and Heidi rings it up
4. 7:41 Swenkowski buys 2 papers and cigarettes and Heidi rings it up
5. Stinson said he was at the store at 7:41 but Heidi was not there
6. 7:42 Richard buys 2 packs of cigarettes and Heidi rings it up
*** sometime in here Bivens witnesses a crime. But remember he also said there may have been a van, I don't know for sure. But he also stated the van was light blue and then changed his mind and said it matched Richards van...a van he said may not have even been there.
7. 7:45 Stinson sees a deputy and he pulls in to the D&W

You can see that if times were accurate and the deputies watch, wall clock, register were all the same time when Curtis checked it with Duell there.

There was no 7:16 transaction IMO.

I also believe Stinson but I think the only way he could have been there BEFORE the crime and didn't see Heidi is that his watch may have been off 1-2 or 3 minutes.

My whole premise is not to accuse, but to try and figure out how this crime with all these wholes happened but never got solved.

Here's a true story from back then.

A person who I know would not have a reason to lie was told by a guy that back then his brother was stopped by 2 deputies. They found some coke, took it and let the guy go.

This is what I am seeking, not the fact that Gary was wrongfully convicted or poor Heidi is gone but way beyond that. And if you put it all together along with a retired cop saying cocaine was sold out of the Oswego Police department.....now you know who I think is guilty. Throw in the neighbors statements about county issued cars going in and out of the airport at 3-4 am.

Think about Judge King and how he blocked Lisa, Greg turning over evidence the Friday before the trial, Greg telling Lisa that he didn't have much faith in the integrity of the OCSD investigation, Jenn W. and all she said the was dimissed inn a open case, texts erased, files breached, taped phone call the Jenn said was not true but then goes in for another interrogation and says she was told about what happened to Heidi.

Add in that she failed a poly and walked away, that she texted a friend that she lied to cops and the DA was trying to protect her????? Think about that.

10 people testified that 3 others admitted to taking Heidi and King says the stories were all different so it is not reliable. No kidding King, they were probably told at different times...think he didn't throw a road block at Lisa P.? He said NONE of it was reliable..none.

Now I may be a bit off on the time line because I didn't take it at face value, I thought about it a lot and it still doesn't make sense, not that the times were fudged after the crime, but the fact about who was there and at what times. Again I am not accusing Stinsonn or anyone, just being curious about things that don't make sense.

And don't forget MB got a fax from the DA's office, one deputy said he was incharge of the ACT TEAM and Heidi was a CI and those all important jail house snitches that one has already changed his story..and they did get favors for this...read about it.

If Gary is found to be guilty, really guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I will volunteer to finish his time in prison.
October 4/18


Stinson writes:
Reply to “weather” 9/18; I won’t argue with farmersalmanac.com.
If they said, “rain/drizzle, snow/ice pellets”. Then, that was the weather on April 3rd 1994.
Did they say what the morning weather was?
Reply to “killer” 9/22: Sorry, if my story was long. Sometimes names, dates, quotes etc really
drag on. If you find a post or topic redundant; You can skip it. You can skip it.
Reply to “common sense” 10/1: On 9/14/18 I posted everything I ever knew about the case.
Please read it. You still have the timeline wrong.
I was there after Heidi disappeared.
7:41 by my clock - not the register clock, which was broken.
October 2-3/18

Bobby Wheeler lying during a pre-trial Hearing
No big deal, right? He must not have recalled he was at the meeting on April 15, 1994 when Gary was named 'prime suspect'. Must not have recalled getting the warrant from MA in May 1994.

I understand. I sometimes have a difficult time remembering details from a situation I was involved with several weeks after the fact.

October 2-3/18


Was Roger Breckenridge involved
According to Tracey, Bob Wheeler was harassing her. The statement is dated 6/1994 and she says that she and Rog split "last February". I bet Jennifer Wescott lied when she claimed to have gotten with Rog for her 18th birthday in 1995. She wasn't given immunity for lying under oath, simply for signing false police statements. I pity Jennifer's loyalty to...Rog.
Tracy statement




Wow...Wish some people with integrity and common sense would investigate this case. Maybe then we can find out what Really happened to Heidi.

October 2-3/18

Re: Death of Common Sense
Don't mean to confuse you even more. What do you think about the last transaction time being crossed off?


That time of year again
Wonder what equipment will mysteriously come up missing from the DPW this year.....Oh, that's right. It never did happen!!
Beep Beep!!
Ahhhh, the wagon rides. Wagon looked really nice last year. Great work by the DPW guys getting it ready.
There is no corruption in the grand City of Oswego.....never!!!!
October 2-3/18

Depoty Dog RAMSEY
I wonder if Depoty Dog RAMSEY has any chance to be the new UNDER
I wonder if he has the time whith everything else he does and has going on

October 2-3/18






Today's Quote October 1/2018

Power is like being a lady... if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.
Margaret Thatcher

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Re-reading the Da's statement of facts;

Swenkowski leaves friends house at 7:30

Bivens leaves his house at 7:30

Swenk & Stinson Arrive at the D&W at 7:41

Richard arrives 7:42 and buys cigarettes from Heidi, but Stinson says he never saw Heidi, Richard or Swenkowski.

Ok but there isn't any time for Bivens' arrival at the D&W. He said he saw the crime so he must have been by there after 7:42.
But if true, then Stinson who was there after 7:42, and did not see Heidi at 7:41 nor Richard at 7:42 just when did Bivens see the crime?
You can say the time was fixed but that doesn't allow for Swenkowski's purchase at 7:41, Richard's at 7:42 and Stinson being there at 7:41.

And the fact that we know Heidi was taken after Richard got there at 7:42...what time was Bivens there?????

Guess what, there isn't any statement taken by the OCSD from Bivens when he was there. How can this be? Even after he called the OCSD days later ( even though it was on the news at 10 am Easter Sunday, he waited.

Add in Deputy Curtis' call in to the station and this again just does not make any sense.

Bivens even after giving a statement to OCSD NEVER gives a time he was there. But he left his house in Oswego at 7:30 am.

Was he even there or did he make the story up for a reward money? How can the star witness not have a time he was there.
Heidi was there at 7:41 and gone after 7:42. Stinson said he was there from 7:41 until at 8 am.

I remember reading in 2014 that someone said.."we just got lucky, a van pulled in just before us". I will look for it.

But even so, there at 7:41 and kidnapped after cashing out Richard at 7:42? BUT NO ONE SAW ANYTHING.

What really caught my attention was Stinson 's time frame, Curtis's time and when he called it in, Bivens had to be there at 7:42 but that would mean a couple of people had to see it.

Someone is lying, someone fixed the time and no one got a time Bivens saw a kidnapping.

7:41..Swenkowski buys from Heidi
7:42..Swenkowski sees Richard and even watched him leave the parking lot
7:41..Stinson arrives at the D&W..no Heidi but Heidi cashed out Richard at 7:42

Is it possible Bivens wasn't even there?
That Heidi was taken right after Richard left?
and the times were fixed to make it look like Richard and Gary took her?

I don't think so. You can fix the cash register time but that doesn't change the times on the customer's watches.

Like Richard's jury told Dodd..."show us some evidence".

Like to hear what others think, am I missing something, am I wrong or confused? Possible, as it should have been brought out in court.

October 1/18


White House Puts Limits On FBI's Kavanaugh Investigation: Reports

No doubt following the hearings on Thursday the republicans took a head count and did not have the votes to confirm Kavanaugh. Senator Flake and some others wanted an investigation by the FBI. Now Trump and company are creating their own SHAM by putting a time limit on the investigation and putting restrictions on who can be interviewed. Their plan is to create the appearance of due diligence so the fence sitting Republican senators can have something to point to when they vote to approve. The man who was going to “drain the swamp” is doing it by giving all the swamp creatures positions in his administration. To all those assholes who say, it was thirty years ago and every teenager does things they wish they had not later in life, I say it does not matter if it was thirty years or thirty days. In Maryland there is no statute of limitations for rape or attempted rape. That is what that drunken bastard is worried about more than anything else. Lock that lying bastard up in a cell right next to Trump.
September 30/18




Re: coincidence

Keeping in mind that Jennifer is a liar to suite her own needs, she said she was bouncing between her parents’ house.  Obviously, that means her parents were not living together.  I bet that Mrs. Vecchio has been right all along and that Jennifer’s mom DID live on Rice Road for a time and she confronted Jennifer and Roger just like what she swore to!!



Woman told deputies her relative killed Heidi Allen, but they didn't investigate


Roger Breckenridge sits inside the Mohawk Correctional Facility in Rome, NY. on June 23, 2014. Jessica Howard, a relative of Breckenridge, says she told the Oswego County Sheriff's Office twice, in 2004 and 2011, that other relatives of Breckenridge had told her Breckenridge was involved in the 1994 kidnapping and killing of Heidi Allen, 18. She said sheriff's investigators never questioned her after


And yet more proof there wasn't a rehearsed call the nite before...Rojeck told Tonya what to ask


Before Priest got on the phone with Wescott, Rojek told her he would write down questions on a notepad for her to ask as they spoke, Priest said.

Heidi Allen Case: Phone call between Tonya Priest and Jennifer Wescott WARNING: Contains harsh language. This is a secretly recorded phone call between Tonya Priest and Jennifer Wescott about the 1994 kidnapping of Heidi Allen. Includes excerpts from a recording by the Oswego County Sheriff's Office on March 2, 2013. (5:47)



Without Wescott's corroboration, Priest knew that she'd have no proof that Steen had confessed to her or was involved in Allen's abduction. Priest tried to coax Wescott into giving something up in the secretly recorded call.


Priest believes she got it in these words from Wescott: "They didn't even bring her in the house. They made her sit in the van."

 September 27-28/18



September 27-28/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
One of the biggest things to the Gary T. coverup is the Bivens story.

I read the DA's S of Facts but couldn't find any time given by Bivens when he was there.
We know Heidi was there at 7:41 per Swenkowski. Richard paid her for cigarettes at 7:42.

So the crime had to happen after 7:42...but Swenkowski watched Richard back out and leave the same time he did.

Couldn't have come back, too many customers.

So what time did Bivens see the crime? He never gave one that I know of.
This time frame should have been torn apart and freed Gary as it makes no sense...unlesssssss someone or some people pulled a fast one.
Bivens said wrong color at first. Then said it wasn't the van I saw, then changed his mind in court and said it was the van he saw.

We know by the events, file breach and other events that someone is covering for someone.

But for who? No drugs, evidence, sighting of Gary, DNA, prints or fibers to connect him to it.

Gary ( RIP ) if I was on that jury you would never have been convicted. I will never trust any police in my life after this and the shootings in our country.

So who did they cover up for?


They made every convenient mistake possible. Who takes 4 months to get the cash register receipt from the crime scene?

Who takes 6 months to get an early picture of Steen.

Who erases valuable texts.
Who in their right mind would let Jenn walk after her interrogation and the info she gave.
Who would offer her immunity if she didn't know anything? Think about this one...really hard. They knew she knew, they knew who did it, hell they even faxed him from the DA's office...try getting out of that one.

Who would discredit the phone call BEFORE Jenn was interrogated and never knew she was being taped. She said that Tonya cut something. But OCSD and Jenn the inv. had the tape, not Tonya. Another hint to as who is really guilty. And then Jenn admits that she was told and this didn't get her arrested...but Dodd it is on tape.

There are so many holes and obvious deliberate coverups in this case that if Lisa P. wins a Wrongful Conviction and the FBI investigates ( as it is plain the cops covered up this crime ) and gets to the right person which they will, there will be a lot of job openings in the OCSD.

And Todd IMO you also knew what was going on. Was Heidi going to rat on the wrong people who would eventually to save their own hides sing about who else was selling coke back then?

Bivens will be the first to talk, then it's going to be hard to shut everyone else up.
Better think Bivens...they are not your friends when it comes to felonies.

All that has to be done is for Lisa and Randi to win and then you guys lose.

September 27-28/18


Judge Instructions
These are some of the instructions the judge gave the jurors during Gary's trial.
What do you think? Was the verdict consistent with the proof presented by the prosecution?





September 27-28/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After all this, was it a railroad job on Gary with "mistakes" or was it a coverup with intent to HIDE something.
With all the hints Jenn W. gave the OCSD and the facts of her lying, telling of 2 vans, Murtaugh texts erased, MB and his white van never investigated, snitches that were there to get Gary, no evidence of Gary, deputy lying on the stand, Judge King doing everything to stop Lisa P., Oakes late with a mass of info on a Friday nite, suspicious events by OCSD, 10 people telling about the 3 other guys, deliberate measures to discredit Tonya ( phone call was not rehearsed ) the Inv. were there telling her what to say, and just a mass of other things
But why?
Were they protecting certain drug dealers?
Were there so many people involved in dealing coke that they had to get someone and hopefully put an end to it?
Sure looks like it.

September 26/18


Believe it or not

Jennifer Wescott says in her police interview that she was bouncing between Roger's house and her parents house on Levitt Road.
Isn't that near where an army fold-up shovel was found?
September 26/18



Re:Frequent Lion Flier
LMAO good for you, I am also a common poster for Gary Thibodeau because of many of the same reasons. The biggest piece is there is a female teen girl Heidi Allen, still missing (after two decades). The injustice of this case, once you've read all of the material provided shows abuse of power, a total power control on the Sheriff Department and the District Attorneys side, misconduct, they made Garys Constututional rights vanish. To wipe away anyone's Constitutional rights to gain a conviction, is disturbing. I still can not figure out how he was ever arrested, what actual grounds they had to do so. Total and out right of abuse of power. The little gripes on here about using work vehicles, someone having a sighting on the Sheriff in the casino is nothing, the posts should be anger about the suffercation and silence of the Heidi Allen's case, (mums the word is what the counter poster requests) and a community pushing to find answers, not just for Heidi but for Gary. There are many Gary posters. The numbers of supporters reach in to the thousands. That's part to do with why Hilton won. People want accountability, integrity, and justice, proper due process of the law involving the real culprits, truth and answers. One wraps in to another. They want change and a good community. For 20 plus years there has been silence to most everything they've done. Many seek justice for those who can not. Many now try to speak for Gary and to finish where he could not. Including, myself. The biggest injustice ever to face Oswego County and instead of being helpful you find the Debbie downer. Toss it aside and continue posting so it's never silenced again, until it's solved. If the person doesn't like it, they will have the rest of their lives to get over it. No one will ever find Heidi silencing her story. It's been silenced far too long, in turn she is still missing and the death of an innocent man should be enough to weigh heavy on any meek persons heart and open the eyes on those who are not, to how disturbing this case truly is. "The District Attorneys office is distant and out of touch with its community. Due to it, it's at a cost of human lives." 1995. Sad thing is, the same exact thing can be said today. Today Heidi Allen is still missing.

September 25/18


A word from the Queen B
A recent private group chat which was supposed to be a “positive thing” quickly turned ugly. Many of those invited to the group informed me of the comments made. This post is merely to let those in the group know I have no immediate plans to depart (sorry NC, KC, and LW). QB

September 24/18


I am one of the frequent commenters about the Heidi Allen case.

My intention of constantly posting about the case is simple...To inspire people to think about her case. To inspire people to talk about it so her disappearance will not be forgotten. To demonstrate the tunnel vision and false accusation against the Thibodeau's. To expose law enforcement's false/uncorroborated theories. All the while realizing that Heidi's disappearance is not such an isolated incident in Oswego County, NY.

I laugh at the (baited) suggestion that a repeated commenter is trying to interject oneself into an investigation as Bohrer had-that I am he. Really? The only explanation for the constant posting is that the person is Bohrer? What about being a truly concerned citizen-that a young girl disappeared and that two people were falsely accused with one being convicted for her disappearance? What about simply wanting Justice? What about wanting Truth so the same thing wouldn't happen to my daughter considering that law enforcement Really doesn't know nor can prove what happened?

Could Heidi have left willingly and still be alive? Certainly. Unfortunately, unlikely. Even at 18 years old, she had to have understood the gravity of being a CI. Basing that assumption on her conscious acknowledgement of personal protection-she had a Screecher in her possession(?), her mother's assurance that she could handle herself and that Brett claimed he had been going to work with her for a couple months previous to her disappearance until 'traffic picked up' so she wouldn't be alone. Also, being a head-strong, independent woman (from public accounts) like myself, I find it unconscionable that she would have allowed over 20+ years someone to be falsely held accountable.

I wouldn't be so hasty to discount ALL of the investigators/police witness statements on this case. There are some whose influence and actions are questionable and others who were just doing their job, just like there were some witnesses who were 'trying to help and those who were trying to help themselves'. The decision of who to 'target' was made by a select few and perpetuated by the select few. I believe the initial investigation shows that Gary was not responsible. Having not seem All investigative material, I, personally, would not say it was a Fact that any of the 3 boasters are either. Maybe they are. That is up to the Sheriff's department to do a thorough/unbiased investigation which I don't believe has happened. Just saying, there is more corroboration that the boasters may have been telling the truth when 'boasting' as compared to what was said about Gary.

Though inadmissible in a court of law, an investigative tool nonetheless, I dare Bohrer, Breckenridge and Steen to take a polygraph test.

Who cares what I think or say? Agree with me or not? Fine!! Read the documents for yourself and form your own opinion! If I've inspired you to look deeper into the case or to come forward in whichever manner you choose, I have fulfilled my mission. With a little desire and time, one need not solely rely on the 'rumor mill' for answers. Thank you to those who have given truthful information about this case over the years.

Proud supporter of Gary "the Innocent" Thibodeau to the end

September 24/18

Many different reasons but this
also may be one reason these things took place
"A communities feeling about a case can influence a verdict as much as the evidence presented in the

September 24/18


Stinson writes
I only came on this website to refute some misquotes.
I've told my story: what I said, and what was said to me.
Anyone directly related to this case is welcome to see me.
The lawyers on both side know where to contact me.

September 23/18

Lock them Up
That Lock them up sign wasn't the only sign that night, the Allen family arrived with Tee shirts that read justice for Heidi and all signs and shirts were barred from the court room. So it was an organized event pulled off my Allen's family and by the Duells family and friends. So no one cares if he was guilty or innocent. Oobviously someone organized it enough to have the shirts and signs made, it was planned by more than one person.


September 23/18

Jane Doe?
I'm wondering after all these years if any local police agencies ever contacted the FBI regarding the Allen disappearance? I'm thinking NO. Why? because they were not only incapable but also uninterested in solving the crime and contacting the FBI would have derailed their plan to frame an innocent man for a career making conviction. There are Jane Doe's buried in unmarked graves in all 50 states. Seems a simple task to examine a few thousand autopsy reports. What makes the frequent Allen poster believe that the police witness statements are anything but file filler? I mean they had to put something in the files in lieu of actual evidence. LOL The poster is perpetuating the myth that Allen was killed here. Don't assume that any aspects of the case reported by the Sheriff's Dept. are even slightly accurate.


September 23/18

If Rosenstein Is Fired, This Is Who Will Be in Charge of Robert Mueller

September 23/18



The Real "Killer"?
How tired are we all to read one more line regarding the Heidi Allen disappearance? The real issue here is that a man was convicted of a murder when no evidence of a murder existed! No body, No motive, No evidence of any crime. These are the facts that should amaze and inspire not the contradictory minutia of non-credible witnesses who saw nothing relevant because there was nothing to see in the first place. The poster supports the unsubstantiated claim of murder by the DA's office.I believe that the verbose poster at this site who seems bent on shading every witness statement could just as easily be the killer once again inserting himself into the 'investigation' or at least the neverending discussion regarding it.
Question: Were any of the nuke plants on shut-down at the time? Did the police look at the dozens of nuke plant workers with criminal sex histories? Especially any who may have left town that week? Heidi could be a Jane Doe somewhere in Texas. The killer's name might be found among the personnel records at any of the nuke plants. Now there's a useful idea. Sadly, the police did NO investigation whatsoever. Why? because they had their patsy.

September 22/18


Makes one wonder
Wonder what Sheriff Hilton would say if he found out Murtagh threatened someone he knows very well over the Gary Thibodeau case? Hilton will find out Murtagh, this person happens to be pretty close to Hilton's son. Wonder what he will think then of your, I'm so innocent stance, when he puts it all together and finds out, Murtagh had the nerve to threaten witnesses and someone who is not directly involved, who's only a supporter of Gary Thibodeau. I don't think Murtagh, Sheriff Hilton's as dumb as ol Todd. Your actions make you look guilty as hell. Murtagh you may know everyone but you obviously didn't know some of the people you did threaten are pretty good people and link back to the NOW SHERIFF, dumb move Murtagh. Ik certain he will believe them over you any day. Next time Murtagh find out who they are before you go tampering with witnesses and innocent supporters. Cause some day may kick you in the ass.

September 22/18

Re: weird tactics
There was a photo from a news article posted several days ago depicting a woman holding a sign saying "Lock them up"
Just curious about her bias before Richard or Gary went to trial. Was she just a concerned citizen that wanted to see the accused pay, even if they weren't guilty, or did she know something to have such a firm opinion?

September 22/18




I agree that 4 am clock in gets me, the timeline begins there, not the last check out. To accurately pin point what happened you begin at 4 am, who was in the store at that time and why, or was it Heidi, there is no explanation. Why was the silent alarm not working that was connected to the sheriff's office, or the store cameras, the gas pumps didn't operate right, the wall clock, "time stood still for Heidi", Stitson tells you the cash register was broken, so nothing worked right. Tell me did the coolers not work for the deli, because Heidi left a huge slab of meat out in the open, but didn't Brett claim she had already stocked the deli and put everything away in the coolers, so is it possible Greg Oakes some one could have easily distracted her by having them make them a sandwich. Wasn't Bohrer famous for having Heidi make him a sandwich? Maybe the reason why Brett wants an attorney is because he knows more than he's telling. Isn't it then possible seeing as in 1994 it is reported and a known fact all of the doors in the front of the store were used by customers, were reported unlocked. Straight shot from that door to the meat slicer and the newspaper what's a person do, who is used to distract her after the one grabbing hers grabs her, just stand there and watch ? Why weren't the counter tops finger printed due to the paper on the floor did the distracter leap over the counter, placing even one hand on that counter as he lept across it? Maybe to help the grabber, is it possible that's the simple answer to how the newspaper ended up on the floor?Because the distracter accidently hit it, or the breeze from his body snagged it and it hit the floor? Whatever caused it to land where it did, was in one hell of a hurry they never picked it up. The belief this newspaper was on the floor because that paper could have been used to conceal a weapon to lure Heidi out of the store, is assinin, where is the gun used and why then was Richard Thibodeau never seen entering the store with a newspaper, that looked like he concealed something under it or anything for that matter, what did he do walk in leap the counter, pull a gun out with a newspaper request two packs of smokes, pay for them and leave, wtf, none of it adds up??. Then it switches to Baldasaro saying Heidi went willingly with the Thibodeaus, but that still doesn't explain the newspaper on the cashiers side of the counter on the floor.
Lots of questions. But one question I do not have is who fudged the timeline Curtis and Duell, parts of her file are missing, she also ran some of the search maps, had access to the direction people searched in for Heidi, she also found Heidi CI card. She also obviously knew Brett Law, and many tied to Heidi Allen as she did many things to quote search for Allen. She was a direct part of the Heidi Allen Center. Direct part of knowing of Heidi Allen hidden identity. She never once said anything in court up to know of the finding or knowledge to Allen's CI status.
So if you played clue, here is another question, which one faxed Bohrer parts of the investigation from the District Attorneys office? Was it VanPatten the exposer, Curtis the time flipper, Duell the fake, Barney the demented kid, Law the liar, Wheeler the crook, Scrutin the side kick, Todd the dodger, Dodd the mentor, which one cause they were all in and out of the Heidi Allen center, Gary was on foot then rode around in a vehicle on Allen's search. One things for sure it's wasn't Gary Thibodeau who used any fax machines during the search for Heidi.
And another which one dropped off the braclet in Heidis cousins mailbox? Bohrer the creep, Steen the psychopath, Dan the child creeper, Law the Liar, one things for sure being locked away in prison no access to place a non addressed envelope in anyone's mailbox, with Heidi Allen's braclet in it, unless Gary is one of the Alcatraz boys miraculously breaking out of prison, then breaking back in to prison after he taunts Heidis family, will it ever have been possible it was Gary Thibodeau.
Issue is all clues point to a fudged time line an exposed CI, a few dirty officers, Michael Bohrer, fudged evidence, hidden documents, criminals on the loose, the real culprits playing the justice system like a corrupt machine. And no one doing a damn thing to stop them, one things for sure, Gary Thibodeau died trying to stop them, expose them and he gave it his all, good for him. Someone needed to. Because they are nothing but liars and manipulated the majority with confusion. That I agree with.
Anyone ever ask yourself if it was all planned, detailed, timed and everyone played a part to pull off the kidnapping of Heidi Allen? Bohrer tells you the red truck passed my house, a cop in the passenger side, I knew they were up to something, she was to be taken on Sunday. Why Sunday, maybe because they were smart enough to pick a day you can't confirm a real time line. Because you can not confirm who reset their clocks. Without a real time line you'll never solve it, maybe that's exactly what they wanted.


September 21/18


Weather or not here we come
The weather is just a way to discredit Mr. Pierce as they did to Tonya with the phone call....I wouldn't doubt it if they told Jenn to call Tonya the night before as use that as an excuse to destroy the phone all that was tapped.
And while I am at it, when & how did they find out that Jenn called Tonya the night before the tapped call was used?

Oakes told Tonya right after that, the call can't be used because.......how's that for timing?

So without time lines, Oakes knew right after the tapped call and told Tonya the call can't be used. Tonya asked for a poly and was refused....of course. Remember Jenn was offered immunity by Oakes and they offer immunity only if you have info so important to the case they are willing to let you walk. She refused....hmmmmm why?

- Swenkowski and Richard were there at 7:41 - 7:42 as Swenkowski testified to seeing a van and left the parking lot the same time the van did....but did not see Gary or a kidnapping.

- Stinson said he was there at 7:41 and was Heidi's next customer but wasn't there.

_ Bivens who the OCSD didn't record any time that he saw the kidnapping only said he didn't remember telling a cop he was there between 8-8:30...****but no other time was given by him and at 8am the OCSD were there. So how did he see a crime if Swenkowski, Richard and Stinson were there about the 7:42 last Heidi transaction?

To see it he had to be there before 8am...but doesn't say that.

And he also said that he didn't call the cops because he thought it was a domestic dispute.
But he was questioned 3 days later ( which means he called the cops between 1-3 days after the crime ). But he must have known it wasn't a domestic dispute because it was all over the news at 6pm, in the papers etc. BUT HE WAITED TO CALL OCSD?????

Do you people see what is going on here? How times were changed, statements changed, van color was not black and white.



September 21/18

You're outta here...
Today I'm going to laugh!! You good ol boys lost. Tick, tock, time will tell, yes you were only bidding yourselves time. Enjoy your holidays...while the rest of us laugh, and wait for the first of the year. I think I'm going to decorate my Christmas tree with handcuffs, mail them to the new Sheriff come new years, he may need a few dozen extra pair, anyone else have any handy, donate them to the Sheriff Department. Maybe Hilton can teach them how to use them.

September 21/18

Inaccurate timeline
Exactly!! That’s why having both the register tape from April 3, 1994 and the tape from April 2, 1994 that was retrieved on August 11 (with the next day Mrs. Duell’s OCSD file being tampered with) is sooo important. Or someone coming forward that can enlighten us about that and how the first register transaction was 4:06am? Seems like an odd time to be a default setting.

Yeah, Dodd was hoping, and succeeded, in confusing the jurors (public and families) by double-talking. Take the van being washed, take the bone fragments that were tested by the Smithsonian, take the reading of the partial register transaction tape into the record, take the fact that April 3, 1994 was DST where people change their clocks at different times anyhow, take charging Gary’s alibi witness with perjury so she had to take immunity for her testimony, take the witnesses who admitted under oath that LE did not take their statements correctly. AND MOST OF ALL, take the army shovel that was used as evidence that wasn’t even confiscated from the Thibodeau’s!!


September 20/18

Vanosdall Murder Still Open

September 19/18

I don't know why anyone's arguing about who was where when or was it snowing or not. One thinks his memory is clear the other one does as well. Was Pierce right or Stitson. Well the national archieves for the farmers almanac says it sure as shit was snowing, sleeting, ice, snow you name it was falling from the sky with visibility at 2.6 miles ahead. If they passed through at obviously seperate times as Stitson never witnesses the kidnapping so he obviously wasn't there at the same time Pierce drove through that area. Stitson was heading towards 9 mile I believe to go to the gym at work. So he headed towards Oswego, out of it but to me it's obvious by the national weather records sleet, ice, snow, and the confusion to due to the time difference did Stitson drive in after something passed through or are the times just so complete off that Stitson passed through well after the crime had been committed and the roads cleared up, or was it really slightly spitting stuff through out the day? Who knows right, but it's not the weather issue it's a entirely f'd up time line, who says that clock wasn't off by even 20 minutes. The time frame is given and confirmed by the broken cash register and two people Curtis and Kris Duell teaming up and claiming all the times were correct. No one knows how much time actually passes by after the kidnapping, but I bet Brett Law does. New Haven is built off 1,300 estimated square miles who the hell knows where this ice, snow and crap weather on that date came from or from which direction. If your driving in from the north you'll probley run in to shit weather, from Oswego you'll also drive in to shit weather, from Fulton the same thing, if your traveling out of New Haven into Oswego you may get lucky and drive out of it, the further you drive from North to west, from west to north the weather changes because your going further north. Jesus, it's not the weather it's the flipping time line, thank the two who built this fake time line...Curtis, Kris Duell. If Gram Duell said, "Time stood still for Heidi," the times didn't change, then Curtis and Kris both lied, his watch never matched a damn thing. Who would you believe, the 2 involved or the old lady who didn't know a damn thing? Guess what the reality is, Stitson and Pierce may be both right.


September 19/18

Bad Boys...
Look at the look on Randi Biancos face anyone who watched this case unfold in Appeals, knew that Randi gave this look because she knew Greg just lied. The look of death. Randi Bianco and Lisa Peebles both were tough enough and had more courage than anyone to expose the good ol boys for what they are, not so good ol boys..Nice name when your nothing but bad LOL bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do, the people just bitch slapped you.!!! (Believe it, there are many laughing)
You not so good ol boys are all done, I second that!!! Wait until the new sheriff coming figures out who you all, really are. If he has integrity, which many believe he does, he will figure it out. Murtagh, Wescott, Breckenridge, Bohrer, what then will you do. Who's going to toss who first. I have five bucks on Wescott.

September 19/18

Stinson replies to: Was he pulling in?
Well, I didn't think I'd have to explain "Flagging." And I wasn't on the flight deck. Except for being flown off by helicopter.
I am amazed all those jets can fly in willy-nilly with no direction.
But if it's important (it is in my original police statement) Officer Curtis was at the stop sign at 104. Therefore he had passed the East entrance.
I can't possibly know if his intention could have been to turn and come in the south entrance anyway... but I "flagged" him in.
If you're thinking Curtis had nefarious intentions, I should disclose:
Years earlier when I worked with Curtis - I'd been to his house for a beer.
Years later when I worked with the D&W owners' brother Jason - I'd been to his house for a beer.
One of the earlier customers on April 3rd, has been to my house. (He doesn't drink)
Point is: I drink a lot of beer.
Furthermore, when she got older - my kid worked at the store. She got fired.
Her babysitter was an alternate juror. (yes, I thought that would have been inappropriate if seated as a juror)
Point is: Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.

September 19/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
When I read the time lines I couldn't wrap my head around 7:41am. Thought this suspicious as Swenkowski was there then, and saw Richard, Richard a minute later and bought cigarettes from Heidi and Stinson but didn't see anything.
Also a customer there a little earlier.

Ok I'll accept it that no one saw a kidnapping of which Swenkowski carries the most wait as he saw Richard.

Now to Bivens:

In the DA's Statement of Facts ( if there is such a thing ) Bivens said at first it was a light blue van, then a blueish white van and was shown pictures by the OCSD and said that is NOT the van I saw. He slept on it and later was shown more pictures and said about the trailer hitch rust and hanging down he is now sure it was the van.

But in the statement he gave to OCSD, he also said he didn't remember telling a OCSD days ago that he drove by between 8-8:30am.

and also said.." there may have been a van, I don't really remember." Or something close to this.

After banging my head around this I wonder if Bivens was even there. At 8am the cops were there so that destroys the chance he saw a kidnapping at that time.

Also he couldn't describe the van but he could describe the people and mentioned one looked older because of his hair...pointing at Richard? Even mentioned one had a coat on. Very detailed for a guy who also said there may have been a van I don't remember??????????????

My intuition back in 2014 told me that he wasn't even there. Which I still believe today.

And remember in Oakes' Statement of Facts: there isn't any record, statement or fact which says what time bivens was there.

Nothing....except the 8-8:30 by Bivens. Did they talk to him about we have the right guy but need a little more. Didn't Bivens have a pending DWI and an insurance fraud charge against him at this time?

Bivens is not the only person interviewed that said that was not the van I saw...read the S. O. Facts.

Now the OCSD let all this go as it was the truth, but what happened to the guy who ( I posted this earlier on this web page ) that said he borrowed Mike Bohere's white van after MB got it repaired and scraped with it. What happened to the van? Any DMV records showing he owned one or did that did that get shredded too?

Oakes, Dodd, Todd and whoever, the only thing that saved you from Lisa P. is Judge King. And I use the word "judge" very loosely.

Come on people we are very close...keep pushing. Please come forward to Lisa P. ONLY if you have info. Do not trust the OCSD, they are in too deep.

Took two innocent lives to protect the drug dealing. Why cover for drug dealers? Kick Backs?


September 19/18


Bohrer what a lunatic
Bohrer, who testified he was a former IBM researcher diagnosed with "executive burnout due to extreme stress," said his investigation included a blue van and a junkyard in Volney.
He asked Richard Murtaugh — whose scrapyard Breckenridge said he worked at in 1994 and 1995 — if he had scrapped the blue van in question.
"He said yes," testified Bohrer, "then he kind of smiled and said, ' No, Heidi Allen was not in it.'" Bohrer said he asked Murtaugh if a body could be crushed in a van, and Murtaugh replied, "No, that'd be too messy." Bohrer said his investigation into the case went so deep that he eventually rented a camper near Thibodeau's house, just to "feel 'em out," meaning Gary and Richard Thibodeau. After Gary's conviction, Richard was acquitted of the same kidnapping charge in 1995.
"I wanted to determine if in fact they were guilty," testified Bohrer, saying he'd often go to bars and "be a fly on the wall" and listen for tips connected to the case. He said he still goes "back and forth" on whether he thinks the Thibodeaus were involved, saying he leaves it "to the mercy of the court." At one point during chief assistant district attorney Mark Moody's cross-examination, Bohrer said that he generally liked Richard, and followed it up by addressing Gary Thibodeau directly.
"I didn't care for you, Gary," he said, chuckling a little.
"I don't even know you," Thibodeau said calmly, briefly lifting his face from his palm.
Seems Bohrer and Murtagh want to claim the blue van on Gary's property was used. This is one thing the Sheriffs ruled out. So seeing as murtagh and Bohrer both lied, how can the sheriff's sleep at night knowing their lies lead an investigation in to many different directions. Hope you all have a good holiday it may be your last. New Sheriff coming your way and getting you off the streets would result in the streets being much safer.
Maybe Bohrer, Murtagh can have the cell next to you so he can feel you out.


September 19/18

Time Travel With OCSD
July 27, 1994 Herald Journal must have the ability to time travel and obtain Robert Baldasro statement dated July 31, 1994. It's right in black and white. So either the Sheriffs lied about the date they obtained Baldasaro statement to coincide with Thibodeau arrest and leaked it 3 days before it ever was to exist or the Herald Journal can time travel forward in history then back in history. Either way it does seem to appear this was all a set up.



September 19/18

Re: shovel
Upon more careful reading of the police notes on 10/6/1994, the green/black army shovel was found on Levitt Road. The correct spelling should be Leavitt? This road is north of the D&W. A 'round end shovel' was inventoried from Gary's property. Did the prosecution switch the 'round end shovel' that was confiscated at Gary's property search with the army fold-up shovel that was in the retired detective's van?

Here is page 3109, page 3108 was posted a few days ago, that again has testimony of Kleist and a shovel.

Mr. Mulcahy, this might be something interesting for you to look into.?



September 19/18


The shovel, dig deeper in to the articles and you will find a reporter caught the sheriff's removing an army folding shovel from an investigators vehicle it had brain or muscle tissue on it. When asked why they had this item they declined to respond. Makes one wonder what they planned on doing with this shovel.

September 18/18


Stinson replies
I had to get on yahoo search engine and type 'heidi thibodeau' - there is a video 'Oswego County D.A. offers insight into 2013 Heidi Allen Investigation'. It clearly shows rain changing to mixed snow and no snow on the ground as the storm was moving in. It is from later when the store was taped off and news crew had arrived. Sorry, I don't know how to link it. I assume there are Police crime scene photos also. No Snow! That doesn't mean people are lying about their entire statement if they remember snow. It means that memories are easily influenced by later input.
It took me less time to find a video of No Snow than it took you to write an email saying there was.
"Think before speaking. Read before thinking." Quote Fran Lebowitz american journalist.

September 18/18


The Powers that be...
Well as far as the cabin diggers the sheriff's did not do a proper investigation in to their back ground or who they connect to. Jeremy Powers is involved in the Local 168 I.U.O.E. union same union as probable suspect Daniel Barney. Years ago the old women who owned Jeremy's home decided she could not longer keep the upkeep on her home, so they placed a bright blue tiny mobile home to the right side of the old farm house, where Steen resided with this old lady. Jeremy is connected also to Breckenridge as Chucky his neighbor is with Breckenridge's, so called sister. Back then Breckenridges two nephews Mike West and Harry West worked for Chucky and fell from a roof and straight through a roof, one broke his hip, the other broke his ankle. Chucky was sued and his insurance company paid these two boys a huge sum of money. Link, link, link, the sheriff's either think you are all dumb or simply wiped the facts to who they all are under the rug, either way court documents can prove these people are all connected and can prove the law suits. Alexander and Catalano LOL start digging you'll find this is a bulls eye.

September 18/18


Book burning
With Hilton on their asses, wouldn't doubt the evidence burning has begun, deleting, shredding, maybe faxing to Bohrer LOL you cunning, hiding, sheriff's there's a new sheriff coming and I'd be afraid. VERY AFRAID, I am certain Murtagh is, he should be, so should Wescott did you fools really think you could murder people and the little old sheriff was going to last forever to protect you criminals? Betcha thought he was invisible, seems you good ol boys and your goons are done. Wait until Hilton catches on to the many families going after you criminals. He may just hop on board. Integrity lies in honest people and well we all know the Sheriffs from OZ are nothing more than liars, criminals and snakes. Hilton take them to the bank on their lies, some warrants would be nice to see, start with Wescott.

September 18/18

Stinson replies;
The other store clock/advertisement was over the ice cream cooler and across a window, 90 degrees to the register counter. And yes, it had not been advanced. If I remember that correctly (after 24 years.)
I prefer quoting notes.
I said, "I flagged Officer Curtis in at 7:58." I didn't leave at 7:58. I of course stayed as long as requested. I was there when the owner opened the register and we found out that "Heidi" was missing.
I said, "it was a surprise to Investigator Hall and myself that the register clock was broken 4 days later 4/7". I don't know who else checked it or when.
For those wondering why comparing my time to the register was so important. It defined a window of opportunity.
When I did celestial navigation in the Navy, I got my time by radio signal from the atomic clock in Denver. Perfect: I never lost a boat.
In 1994, Like most people, I got my time from the TV. Best I can say is "I never missed the 6 o'clock news". It wasn't perfect and neither was the register. But I know what time I got to the store (per my clock) and that's why the comparison became so important. How the police finally weighed that accuracy - I don't know.
Other things I did in the Navy were weather reports, the ship's Log, and security patrols. You'll have to trust me: I didn't see a kidnapping.
As an interesting follow up to that statement: I do believe we drive on the subconscious part of our brain. Probably why no one uses blinkers. I met with the search expert from Texas, Rick ( B****field?) and volunteered to try hypnosis (I knew a guy), to see if I could recall a vehicle leaving etc. Rick asked the Police. They said, "No. It would eliminate me as a witness." I tried to insist, but he said he had to work with the police and accept their decision. That's no derision on the police. I'm sure they have their rules. Now it's just a another side note many people never knew.
I'm not trying to aggrandize myself as the perfect witness: I certainly didn't realize the gravity of the situation on that Easter Sunday.
Whatever side of the aisle people are on, I'm glad that there is still an intent interest in this case.

September 17/18

Inmate testimony vs recent interview
Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau told him in jail
"They were trying to get me to say he told me he did it," Baldasaro said. "I said, 'That's never what he said.'"
Funny (ironic, predictable) how 20 years later if one doesn't refresh their memory by reading their previous testimony what they recall. Really? A confession, Todd? Both inmates specifically testified that Gary didn't say he had anything to do with Heidi's disappearance. Read Greg's Statement of Facts vs Lisa Peebles/Randi's facts and you'll see the truth that the inmates did NOT say Gary told him he (or Richard) were involved. THAT is YOUR theory..uncorroborated theory. There is no evidence that your theory is correct. Hell, there wasn't even time the morning of April 3, 1994 for the brothers to take Heidi to near the woods at Gary's and bring her back without being missed and then to have Richard's purchase rung up. Hell, Gary had a legitimate alibi (proven in a Court of Law to NOT be lying).

It is a fact (looking back on legal documents posted on this site on December 2, 2017) that Baldasaro received a deal for his testimony.

Gary should not have been convicted after trial. No evidence, the theory didn't fit, he should have been acquitted! An innocent man died in prison at the hands of corrupt law enforcement and gullible jurors. Pray they are held accountable for what they've done like Gary paid for what he wasn't accountable for.
Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau...
Robert Baldasaro says Thibodeau never told him Allen was beaten to death with a shovel, as Baldasaro testified i...
Dodd's excuse for withholding evidence, as per the news article posted a few days ago on this site, was so that the defense wouldn't tell the witnesses not to talk to the police? Isn't that exactly what at least one of the prosecution witnesses did when Mr. Walsh wanted to talk to her...she refused to talk to him. It's all on record in the trial transcript.

What, Rule? What did you say in the news about Heidi and Gary? 'No relationship'. What did Dodd say during closing arguments? The articles are from July 27, 1994. **tainting the jury pool. And that's why it took so many perspective jurors to seat the 12 plus 4 alternates.**


September 17/18

News footage/articles/witness testimony ALL say it was a snowy/rainy day.
Git otta here that Greg thinks Mr. Pierce isn't credible because he said it was snowy, it was. That would explain why Heidi might have been wearing a jacket like Mr. Pierce said. A clerk at the D&W had to reset or fuss with a pump because it wasn't working properly. And can be proven. Wait for it. The proof WILL be posted.


September 17/18


Defies Common Sense
We saw from legal documents posted on this site, that Kleist testified that no army fold-up type shovel was ever confiscated from any of the Thibodeau searches. We can also see from a news article in 1994 and from Greg's Exhibits in regard to the Hearing in 2015 that an army fold-up shovel was found during a ground search and left where it was because of the condition it was in and that a reporter saw an army fold-up shovel in a retired detective's vehicle. The shovel was found April 25, 1994 and the inmates made their statement in July 1994...hhmmm

Ironic that the inmates make claims of an army fold-up shovel AFTER one was found during a ground search and reported in the news. Also ironic is the prosecution tested an army fold-up shovel that showed 'skeletal muscle'. Did the defense ever get a forensic report about the 'skeletal muscle'? Where exactly was the army shovel found during the ground search and did the retired detective ever give a statement about the shovel in his vehicle?

Has anyone else read what I describe and what do you make of that? It's all in black and white if you know where to look.

My point is it looks like the Sheriff's and DA's office were trying to plant 'circumstantial evidence' against Gary and Richard. We already know that some evidence had not made it into testimony for the jurors to consider in Gary's trial that WAS admitted in Richards and Richard was acquitted.

Another point is that it is absolutely obvious that the DA's office was making a conscience effort to withhold evidence in order to get a conviction.



September 17/18

Weird tactics...it really is OZ
See attached. This is one of the craziest things anyone could have done other than Dodds Phantom Purchaer (lol). Before Gary's trial they not only compared his case to that of OJ Simpson, some classy citizens stood outside of his plea at court, holding up signs, before he was ever found guilty of any crime, or ever made it to trial. But that phantom purchaser, really tops the charts by the former ADA Donald Dodd. So in reality they stole Richards van, put that baby on display in the center of Oswego, took notes the night Heidi vanished that Gary was home that night and jotted down his license plate, come up with some lame story Gary fled to Massachussettes and fled with his wife, Sharon. In return Sharon supplies 3 sources of documents to confirm she was in Oswego, that the District Attorney was outright lying. The Sheriffs and DA OFFICALS committed perjury on the stand then and now, you claimed there was a phantom purchaser, pretending to be Sharon on the loose and that's how she got the bank receipts, then you arrest her for perjury, and testify before a grand jury against Sharon and never recorded the testimony, only so she couldn't and wouldnt testify as an alibi, due to fear or retaliation by the DA and Sheriff's, what law, Sheriff's did you not violate to committ this kidnapping of an innocent man. Then you convict Gary off a timeline that doesn't add up, witnesses changing their stories, no evidence, no motive, suspects removed off a list, total violation of due process laws and allowing an American to defend their lives and their guilt or innocence. Then your new buddy Pie liar Petrowski helps you out by bogus, biased, bullshit interrogations, missing evidence and his pathetic failed attempts to lie on the stand. You stood around chanting lock him up, ruined his entire life, took any constitutional right he had, because 1995 was election year, Dodd you made a mockery of Gary to gain votes and used him as a pawn to win election. The year they prosecuted Gary was the first year in Oswego history and the very same day Dodd announced his candidacy for District Attorney of Oswego, that same day the first ever murder case was tossed by Judge Brandt for prosecutorial misconduct against Donald Dodd. Sound familure? Dodd nor Todd (The sheriff's brother) could get their theory straight on another case. In 1995 the citizens of Oswego stated "the DA and Sheriff's were out of touch with the citizens so much it was costing human lives." This is only a handful I can think off, off the top of my head. But that 3000 documentation dump by Greg classic, violation of Gary's due process rights. Could you imagine being compared to OJ Simpson, then have a bizarre phantom purchaser on the loose. All while your brothers van sits in the center of Oswego in hopes to spark someones memory, because they had NO WITNESSES, AND NO GROUNDS FOR ANY ARREST TO EITHER BROTHERS. No motive, no witnesses, no body, no weapon, passed lie detectors, negative to any DNA. Absolutely nothing to tie you to any crime. To constitute either arrested. Tracks didn't match, times didn't match, nothing adds up. But yet one morning you've become OJ SIMPSON, over night, without warning and to prosecute you, they broke every law possible to do so. Imagine that, being stripped of every right you have, the only thing that put you in prison was he said, she said jail house gossip..If prosecuting them was as easy as it was for them to destroy Gary Thibodeau, Oswego would be a better place.

Re : To David Stitson reply
No Heidi did notice the wall clock as Gram Duell stated to reporters "Time stood still for Heidi." Heidi informed Gram prior to her leaving the store she had to fix the store clock. But Gram Duell said Heidi never did, the day she vanished Gram Duell returned to the store noticing the wall clock, she admitted the time never changed. Thus her creating her comment "Time Stood Still for Heidi." You can find all the information on this case at this link, scroll to the bottom and start in 1994. http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/?m=1


September 16/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After reading Dave Stinson's reply it woke me up.

Thinking that there is no way possible for him, Swenkowski and Richard to be there at those times, this needs a full inv. by NYS, DOJ or the FBI.
They did so many petty things, omitted doing certain inv. ( MB's white van ) that I think, I hope and I feel...you guys are screwed.

This is so Mickey Mouse that I expect some will start to sing. Are you listening Jenn? You think they're your friends? Think Again.

I wish to apologize to Dave Stinson for anything I may have written that was inaccurate. I never thought you were a suspect but I can now see your point...sorry.

Now seeing that the time must have been fixed and the fact that the OCSD didn't get the register tape for that day until August and all the other hints of wrong doing maybe Oswego has met its match.

September 16/18


Sentencing phase of Gary Thibodeau-diary and Mrs. Granger's statement
Diary was exculpatory but Dodd didn't turn it over until sentencing?

Still think Gary got a fair trial or that there wasn't prosecutorial misconduct? What about the judge allowing all these things to happen?


September 16/18

RE: Heidi Allen
“There are witnesses who try to help and witnesses who try to help themselves.”
I believe Mr. Stinson was the former. His testimony simply showed the prosecutions timeline was False and, therefore, the inmates’ testimony uncorroborated.

September 15/18

To Dave Stinson
I hope you don't think anyone thinks you were involved with a crime. I don't, but when I read your statement and you said you were there at 7:40 and left at 7:58 it seems like you would have had to seen something. Of course not getting the trial transcript and only reading Oakes' Statement of Facts leaves a lot of questions.

For Ex: Swenkowski's statement said he got there at 7:40 and saw Richard. But Oakes left his time out in the first article about Swenkowski. And if his watch says 7:41 and yours says 7:41, the register time doesn't matter...but I think it was fixed to be fast.

We ( I ) am only concerned about how this inv. went down. I don't believe Dodd, Oakes or most of the OCSD at that time. Too much info not looked at...intentionally....like MB white van, Jenn W. spilling her guts, Jenn W. lying about where she lived, who she knew, no one seeing Gary there...simply, there wasn't a case.

I guess it would seem logical that the register time was fixed for all the right reasons. ????? never checked it until 7 days later?
At first I believe I read the wall clock was wrong and it hangs above the counter so H.A. probably never noticed it.

But I do hope this all comes crashing down.

And a lot of statements were massaged by OCSD...they can't agree on the color of one van. Bivens said he isn't sure there was even a van there. First sightings of a van....were white and that got changed.

Hopefully Lisa wins and the FBI comes to town.

September 15/18


Heidi Allen
Dave Stinson writes:
At 7:42 a.m. Easter Sunday April 3rd 1994 Heidi Allen sold 2 packs of cigarettes at the D&W
convenience store in New Haven Ny.
I was the next customer.
The kids had their Easter baskets and my wife wanted a Sunday paper to read while I went
to the Gym. She was “springing” the clock ahead one hour as I walked out the door. The minute
hand was exactly halfway between 7:35 & 7:40 I petted the geese, got to where I had parked
the car (out of the mud), and drove the 8/10ths of a mile to D&W.
A few days later (April 7th) Investigator Hall and I repeated this drive. He was trying to
narrow the time that was unaccounted for. We put my arrival at 7:41. Estimated by My house
Time! We went into the store to call my house and compare my clock with the register clock.
Surprisingly, the register clock was now way off. The register clock was broken; To be accurate,
each clerk had to set the clock each morning and today's clerk hadn’t set it. We supposed Heidi
had set it when she worked Easter morning.
Interestingly, while Investigator Hall and I were there a man had trouble with the gas pump
and one of the girls went out to ‘flip the handle up’ for him. The girls laughed at his mechanical
ability and said, “ it happens all the time”. There was now more than one girl minding the store. I
thought that smart. But I wondered if going outside while alone would be smart.
I had driven to the D&W and arrived at 7:40 - 7:41. Again, My House Time. There was a red
station wagon where an employee would park and a white car out by the corner for sale. But
there were no customer cars, So I zipped by the front steps and parked close. It was raining.
I grabbed a sunday paper off the stack and thumbed through it. I wanted to make sure it had
been assembled with the TV guide and coupons. They come separately. The clerk wasn’t
Visible. I presumed she was in the restroom. The door was closed. Or in the back. I had heard a
noise. (probably a cooler kicking on I now believe.). I put down $1.50 for the paper. Almost
immediately, another man came in and did the same. Then another. They had no reason to
stay, I had said that I would, “tell the clerk”. Out of courtesy I waited to explain the $4.50. Still no
clerk. I checked the restroom, gave a hello, checked around… No clerk.
There was a purse, and car keys on the counter behind the cashiers area. There was meat
on the slicer and coffee in the pot. The register was closed with $1.38 showing on the display.
Everything looked OK. The only thing out of place was a Pall times paper on the floor behind the
register counter. (Later, Investigator Yerdon told me, the newspaper on the floor was friday’s
and somebody may have a had a weapon under it to get Heidi away from the duress alarm that
was near the cash register)
I had looked around the store but hadn’t looked down cellar. I didn’t want to appear
suspicious. It took a few minutes before another customer showed up. Pat Granger bought
$5.00 of gas and came in. ( I knew Pat from the Plant) Then John Glenister came in, to return
cans. (I didn’t know him) We checked the first floor thoroughly. I walked outside to check around
the employee’s car and around the building. As I got to the car (Heidi's) I saw a sheriff's car at
the corner and waved him in. It was Rick Curtis. I knew Rick also. He had worked with me as a
security guard at the plant a few years earlier. It was now 7:58. My watch time. Curtis checked
the store and called it in.
I wrote my own statement while I was still at D&W that morning. Investigator Herby Yerdon
wrote another with me 2:48 pm 3 April 1994. He wanted to log everything I had done since I’d
woke up: Breakfast, pet-the-geese, everything. I kept copies of those statements.
Heidi’s sister Lisa Burke had written a book. (Where’s Heidi) She got things a little wrong:
There wasn’t any money on the counter before I got there and I hadn’t “run to the street yelling
for the first car.” I had calmly flagged the police in, still thinking we had an inattentive or injured
clerk. And honestly, I wanted to get on with my day.
Someone recently showed me the Oswegonylion.com website. I don’t enjoy being misquoted
and accused of complicity by the short bus armchair sleuths that cut spelling and math class.
So, I will respond to a few twisted internet threads:
I didn’t know Heidi's name at 7:40, John Glenister was there before the sheriff, and there was
no snow for footprints or lack thereof. (as someone on Oswegonylion.com website claims Pat
Granger wrote a year later. The whole letter wasn’t posted).
I had arrived at the store at 7:40 or 7:41 MY TIME! ONCE. Not before and after Thibodeau.
Heidi was gone before I got there. I didn’t see Swenkowski, or her last customer, (presumably
Thibodeau), or ‘husky’ men wrestling anyone into a van. Regrettably, I missed it all.
I was pretty confident of my arrival time and the weather. I never changed my statement or
time to match the broken register time. It was the job of Police to reconcile the clocks and
collate the timeline.
Later as a witness, I wasn’t allowed to watch the trial. Apparently witnesses corrupt each
others testimony. I probably know less about this story than many people - except for my
testimony. But I have since read some transcripts and News. For those that didn’t bother to do
any research, here's the Timeline:
Swenkowski testified he saw ‘the van’ move up to the front steps. Tr 1239
Bivens testified as to seeing a van and two husky men. (and flurries in the air) Tr. 1285
He came forward after the reward and a photo of Thibodeau's van was posted in the
I testified that I arrived and didn’t see anyone.Tr 1396
After 1995, I wasn’t called to testify again. But, I have spoken with certain people as new
“evidence” arose:
I met with Lisa Peebles. (Aug 7 2014) She told me, “she had been tasked by the Federal
government to ensure Gary Thibodeau had received a fair trial.” I met with her to ensure she
had a copy of my statements and notes; how sure I was of my time, the weather, and the
broken clock. She already had them.
Bill Pierce from Hannibal stated (20+ years later) he couldn’t turn around on Easter Sunday
due to “slush & ice”. When I saw Pierce on the news I called the DA’s office and they were well
aware that there wasn’t any ice & slush, or snow.
I’ll add this:
Juror #3. Elizabeth Head now believes: Gary was innocent, there was no real evidence, and
she was told to vote for the side she believed most. (Quotes from TV interview w/ Matt
Mulcahey, Aug.2018)
This last statement by juror #3 disturbs me greatly. Dramatic as it may sound; A community’s
collective conscience and Gary Thibodeau’s conviction once hung on jury diligence.
Gary Thibodeau died in prison 12 August 2018.

September 14/18

Does anyone else think
Does anyone else think that someone-Murtaugh-switched the VIN number on the inoperable blue van that was on Gary’s property during two searches that was stolen in August of 1994 with the VIN from the van that was REALLY used to kidnap Heidi?

It’s not like his buddies, John and/or Mike Bohrer didn’t drive around with switched plates. **refer to documents filed for the Hearing regarding Deputy Crisafulli pulling over who is known as John Bohrer in 1992(?) with switched plates and dropping him off near the Gay 90’s, aka Spinners.**



Crisafulli must be a much better investigator to find out that John had a warrant for a different state but when it came to the investigation of Heidi’s disappearance, neither the Sheriff’s Department nor the District Attorney’s Office could find Mike Bohrer’s conviction relating to Mrs. Schmitt.



September 14/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Still don't believe there was a cover up?

- Mike Bohere stated about the CI card found in the D&W parking lot BEFORE that information was released.
- Stinson said he was at the D&W before and after Richard was there but did not see a kidnapping.
- Mike Bohere received a fax from the OCSD.
- Balasdaro ( jail house snitch ) now has changed his story and this could be huge.
- Jenn Wescott.." after 20 years I still have to tell you guys that there were 2 vans."
- Judge King..what can you say about this guy? He stopped Lisa from calling Tonya as a witness.
- 10 people testified that 3 guys said they committed the kidnapping. Judge King said the fact that all the stories were different made this info useless?????
- Why wasn't DNA testing done on the bracelet left in the mail box?
- A person told police that he borrowed MB's white van to scrap with. This too was not investigated..wow!
- Why was Tonya getting death threats? That would mean the real suspects are still out there, but Gary was in prison....think about it.
- Moe Todd said he had very little to do with the Heidi Allen case. Biggest case in the county and the sheriff wasn't involved?
- Neighbors at the airport stated that county issued cars were going in there almost nightly around 3-4 AM.



September 13/18

Jenn Wescott
Am I making too much out of this stuff.
Last nite was watching HA doc. at 49.50 seconds ( minutes?) the video stops in the interrogation room ( Jenn ) and then a lap top appears on the table next to the cop.
Looks like video jumped, edited, skipped, was stopped. I also posted about Jenn being asked when something happened and she says "August". The same thing happened.
What do you think?
Also MB stated about the lost CI card BEFORE that info was released. I think MB, Roger and Steen were hired to get rid of her. And the fax to MB, pretty hard to dial the wrong number and just get lucky to send it to MB. If Lisa gets lucky with Wrongful COnviction and the FBI suspects a cover up it's gonna be a picnic watching these assholes go down.
The wrong ppl are taking polygraphs.

At about 48.31 with Oakes in the room is the one where the lap top appears.
The first interrogation by Pietrowski is the one that she was asked when it happened and she says " August" and you can see the video jump, skip etc.
This video has been edited but by who and why?

September 13/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Reading the Statement Of Facts, Bivens gives 2 versions of van. It was light blue, then it was whites blue with dark stripe and then he says there may have been a van there I am not really sure.
I think we all have enough info to know who was paid to get Heidi, Jenn gave valuable info that wasn't used??? Why interrogate her then?
We have read about no one seeing GT at the store, not even Swenkowski who was there at the same time as Richard.
Of course we can only hope for Lisa to be granted a Wrongful Conviction and then the FBI investigates this.

Why was Dodd so quick to go to trial? Did he know something we don't? There wasn't any evidence and the investigation should have led into another direction after they came up with nothing.

But still.." God I hope Dad didn't have anything to do with getting an innocent man convicted and sent away to die in prison. I just can't see how he didn't. There are so many questions that have no answers, the story doesn't hold water. Nothing I see could convict Gary.
I believe you Dad, at least that is what I tell you.
I'd tell you I love you Dad, but I don't.

September 12/18

Trudy - Bohrer's Friend
Fact!!Trudy's death was labeled a suicide. It is also fact she burned alive. But her home also burned to the ground. Here's more fact. It's a fact she allowed Bohrer to live with her out of state for a short time. When she began to fear him, she kicked him out of her home. Then she died and her home burned. Strange facts, but all true. The suicide is claimed to have had a proper investigation in to it, but if they were unaware of Bohrer's presence and his back ground, just prior to her death. How well of an investigation was actually done?

September 9-10/18

Here you go, Dick and Greg
More proof that YOU are mislead about the carpet piece from Richard's van.
Inline image
Why did the judge allow the jurors to go to the Sheriffs garage to see the van when there were Many pictures and Kleist testified that there was no indication Heidi was ever in that van?
Hey, what do you know, that transcript page also shows Greg to be more of a liar then we thought from his Matt Mulcahy interview. Greg, you didn't put any of this rebuttal testimony in your 'Statement of Facts'.
Proof after proof after proof that there was no evidence that linked Richards van to Heidi.
I have more legal document proof for anyone not convinced Richards van is irrelevant to the disappearance of Heidi.
WOW, Kleist testified that a fold-up army shovel was not found during any of the Thibodeau's property searches. Another piece of uncorroborated bs from the inmates.


                                                                                                                            September 9-10/18

Search Warrant
Was there a search warrant for the piece of carpet that was missing from the April 9, 1994 complete search of the van to April 28, 1994 when the van was seen at the car wash?

Even though it was an illegal search and seizure, thank goodness there was a police receipt and testing, with results, done on the carpet or Dodd's theory about the van being washed 'could' have been true. It's the people who haven't seen or want to admit to themselves the FACTS who still believe the BS van washing theory. It's not about whether or not to believe this witness, the evidence, and facts thereof, Was presented during the trial.

Soo.....no link to Heidi ever being in the van on April 9, 1994 when it was forensically tested by OCSD with samples sent to the FBI. No link to Heidi after April 28, 1994 when the van was seen being washed, missing carpet piece illegally confiscated and FBI tested to reveal dog blood (just like this witness testified to) and (logically) STILL no evidence of Heidi so the van was returned to Richard after Gary's passing.



Comment about the Lion Whiner
Being the psychic, seer, having ESP if you will, or above average intelligence....I predict the whiner will next say something to the effect of blah, blah, "hiding behind a keyboard" while also not revealing their own identity. HAHAHA, typical hypocrite. I vow to reveal my identity when Greg agrees to answer questions from the public. Quid pro quo, if you will. Not prearranged questions. He will be allowed notes as he obviously doesn't know as much about this case as he claims.

You are right, though, their whining will have the opposite effect of what they hope for-that people will shut up about the Injustice done to Gary, the inept/incompetent investigation by Oswego County Sheriff's in re Heidi disappearance. It's very hard to ignore the blatant disrespect and misconduct by the DA's office, then and now, to try to keep hidden who may have In Reality/Truthfully been involved with Heidi's disappearance.

P.S. Keep reading. Maybe you'd (whiner) care to productively contribute to any conversation...anonymously, if you choose.
                                                                                                                            September 8/18


Ed has not run out of room for all submissions, yet!
I do not believe we will ever know who took Heidi, but what makes this whole mess so unbelievable is how the investigation was handled as well as the trial and appeals process, if this is normal judicial process then we are in trouble, this site has had consistent submissions about Heidi's abduction and yes when Gary passed and when we have an over privileged Sheriff running for a higher office it is of concern to some. People who complain about the spelling, grammar and content are certainly missing the point of this medium provided by Mr. Harrington, you are also the type of person who believes if you have nothing to hide then it should be ok to see and search ones home and belongings, it's just not!


                                                                                                                            September 7/18


“There are two kinds of witnesses.

Those who are trying to help and those who are trying to help themselves.”

What did Pietroski or Rojak tell Jennifer Wescott about lying? It’s hard to keep track of the lies?!?

Here’s one way to get by with lies in a Court of Law---Simply state “I don’t recall”. Because, yeah, that makes the witness credible only if they ‘fit’ the prosecutions narrative or agenda. Right, Greg?

                                                                                                                            September 7/18

The one complaining seems to think anyone cares.
Fact is, no one does. What do we think, we think you need to find something creative to do and if you have an issue with posters then wouldn't common sense tell you the lion isn't for you? Instead you are on here attempting to silence many, because of your vendetta with the Gary Thibodeau case. Well sorry to tell you even though you are use to being a bully and seem to think you can control the population I will link the lion to a few wall's of Gary supporters there are thousands and we will blow up the feeds to make your day even brighter. How's that sound?
                                                                                                                            September 7/18

Yeah Heidi was a CI....and then conveniently not a CI
Oh Lortie Lortie Lortie! New developments in the Heidi Allen case? Trudie Lortie wanted to be a cop, sued for discrimination. UPDATED
This interesting post appeared on the Oswego Lion May 27th 2016

                                                                                                                            September 7/18

Oswego Lion May 27th 2016

"Heidi Allen news....
All True?
Was it not True officer Lortie was married to a psychic. Was it also a fact this same officer ran the Heidi center and had rented a possible place to Bohrer as well. Is it not a fact that a psychic went to the prison with Bohrer and pretended to be an investigator when he did ? isn't that same psychic Officer Lortie wife? Why would a psychic, who is married to the officer who has access and control in certain areas of this investigation. Friends or some sort of acquaintance to Bohrer? Why would the investigators wife the psychic, Ever visit Gary Thibodeau in prison? But why would she also go along with the idea Bohrer was a self proclaimed investigator ? Knowing that was a lie? Who faxed Bohrer documents from the investigation from the DA office? Is this also the same psychic that Lisa Peebles tried to insert in to Gary's hearing, the paperwork Bohrer had on the psychic he was tugging around with. By the name of Trudy last name Lortie. Notes and information he obtained that described not only how she died. But where she might be? Did this same psychic later have Bohrer live with her out of state? So many questions. But a very strange connection. If the Sheriffs are such exceptional investigators. This officer Lortie if he did indeed rent property to Bohrer at one point, or sold, shared, anything. How does he not know who the person is he rented to? With a criminal past like Bohrer's, it did not seem very difficult information for Gary's attorneys to obtained? I wouldn't say he was a very good investigator. These are the people that everyone's listening to that helped prosecute Gary. OZwego County Citizens. Are you outta your flipping minds!!! FREE GARY!!
May 27/16"

Oswego Lion is a local blog of gossip, rumor and news that other mainstream outlets would not usually publish. It often turns up things that later make it into the more mainstream media, but is not necessary to be taken as proven fact.
We saw this a few days ago, but it has now been re-posted at the Facebook Page run by Gary Thibodeau's family and supporters which makes it more likely there is something to the story. Some of the allegations lend credence to other information that has been rumored in the past. We will cover that later in this article. https://www.facebook.com/FREEGARYTHIBODEAU/
We know Trudie Lortie visited Gary Thibodeau, in jail with Prime suspect Michael Bohrer who, FBI profiler, Clint VanZandt, eluded to in the recent Dateline special on the Heidi Allen case.
Lisa Peebles provided Trudie Lortie's sign in details from the prison records, in one of her filings to Judge King's court.
Gary Thibodeau talked to Alex Dunbar in a recently televised interview with CNY Central and recalled the visit of the psychic. Initially Gary didn't remember but then he recalled and gave some interesting detail to reporter Alex Dunbar.

"Oh - the psychic. He said he was an investigator and she was a psychic and wanted to hug me," Thibodeau recalled.

It looks like Deputy Lortie maybe is now retired.. he got an award in December 2003.

"PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS Leg. Rush along with Undersheriff Robert Lighthall the Public Safety Committee members, and Roy Lortie, Patrol Officer Lt. came forward to present Lieutenant Lortie with an award for 29 years of service. "

Trudie Lortie wanted to be a cop, sued for discrimination.

Post Standard Jan 7th 1989
"CNY N E W S Woman Charges Town with Bias PARISH - The wife of an Oswego County sheriff's deputy claims she was discriminated against by the town of Parish after she was denied a job on the town's police force. In a complaint filed with the State Division of Human Rights, Trude Lortie of Colosse said she was not given a police job because of her gender. Jerome Mirabito, an independent counsel representing Parish, said Friday the town received notice of the complaint in September. " The town has denied the charge, Mirabito said. The alleged offense occurred sometime between July and September 1988, according to Mirabito, but no further details have been released. Lortie, wife of Deputy Roy Lortie, could .not be reached for comment. Walter Byrne, director of the state Human Rights Division, said details of complaints regarding human rights cannot be publicly disclosed by his office. Once a complaint is filed,- Byrne said, an investigation is conducted and, depending on its outcome, a hearing may be scheduled. The town of Parish has not received notice of a hearing date, Mirabito said" Post Standard Jan 7th 1989

Something else in common with wanna be cop, Michael Bohrer?

We looked up Trudie Lortie, in old newspaper articles. We expected to find an ad or two advertising her services as a psychic, but came up short.
She doesn't seem to have ever gotten into any legal trouble, or been written about in any articles, or have had any affiliations with groups or clubs. All we could find was her Marriage announcement to Sheriff Deputy Roy C. Lortie, her death notice from 2006, some real estate transactions and a bankruptcy, shortly before she died.

"Trudie M. Lortie November 26, 2006 Trudie M. Lortie, 50, of Parish, died in Pennsylvania on Sunday: Born in Watertown, Trudie is the daughter of Anna and Arthur Grossnickle. Trudie graduated from APW School in 1974. She worked as a bartender and retired as a Mold Operator with General Motors. Trudie loved her family, fun times, camping and country music. We will all miss her. Trudie is survived by her parents; three sisters, Melodie Hall of Susquehanna, PA, Sherie (Mark) Strife of Syracuse, and Joann (Ralph) Harris of Hastings, NE; three brothers, Terry (Mary) Hall of E. Syracuse, Lee Hall of Charlotte, NC, and Reginald Hall of Parish; and many nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, cousins, and great-nieces and nephews. Calling Hours: Monday, 12 to 2 p.m. at Traub Funeral Home, 684 N. Main Street, Central Square. Service: Monday, 2 p.m. immediately following the calling hours at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Trudie's mother, Anna Grossnickle towards the purchase of a monument.
Traub Funeral Home Central Square NY "

Comment on the Oswego Lion

Trudie Lortie's obit. mentions several occupations, but nothing about being a psychic.
It does say she was a bartender. We know Michael Bohrer told Sheriff investigators, in his recorded and published 2013 interview, that he hung out and blended into the background at local bars, hoping to overhear details in his investigation regarding Heidi's disappearance. Maybe this is how he met Trudie Lortie

"3267 state Route 69, Mexico, $79,000; Trudie M. Lortie Estate to Dan 0. Barnhard
Syracuse Post StandardThursday, December 18, 2008, Syracuse, New York"
She seems to have had property in Mexico NY , despite living in Pennsylvania that was sold off 2 years after she died.
UPDATE" This comment was just posted.
AnonymousJune 2, 2016 at 4:36 PM
3267 state Route 69, Mexico, NY. Look it up, it's right near the tracks just before Red Mill Road. Behind it are the woods and Rice Road. Maybe Lisa Peebles should have the cadaver dogs check that location?
Updated. It is a strange connection? Bohrer's Medspars address was 3146 State Route 69, just down the road from Trudie Lortie's 3267 State Route 69.
It's ironic that the one psychic Sally Naramore was trying to send investigators to the same area the other physic lived. We think there is more to this. We didn't find out how and when Trudie Lortie acquired this property.

"1819 Court St. — $45,000 — Ruth G. O'Brien to Trudie M Lortie on Jan. 20 2000

1819 Court St. — $62,000 — Trudie M. Lortie to Kimberly A. Wheeler on Dec. 12. 2000"

In 2000, she seems to have lived in Syracuse for a year and owned property on Court Street.
She sold it less than a year later for a decent profit to someone named Wheeler. We wonder if they were any relation to Investigator Robert Wheeler from OCSD, but that's just speculation on our part.
Wheeler was confronted in court in 1995 by, then defense lawyer, Joe Fahey for inconsistencies as to when Gary Thibodeau became a suspect. He narrowly escaped perjury charges.
He was involved with getting jailhouse snitch testimony against Gary.
He also went alone to talk to "Danny Barney" after Heidi's father and a probation officer, named him as a suspect.
No record of what was said has surfaced and why he eliminated Dan Barney. The next day Wheeler records Gary Thibodeau as prime suspect in the days investigation notes from OCSD.
It's a common name and unlikely connected, but does anyone know if Kimberly A. Wheeler is a relative of Deputy. Wheeler, who Trudie sold her home to?

"Trudie M. Lortie, Parish, Chapter 13, major unsecured creditor. First USA Bank, Wilmington, Del., $7,976. Syracuse Post Standard August 25, 2005"
A bankruptcy was filed shortly before she died and may have been related to medical expenses? She seemed to be able to hold onto the property she owed in Mexico NY.

Syracuse Herald JournalSunday, August 12, 1984, Syracuse, New York
"MR. AND MRS. LORTIE The Rev. Dean Hill heard the wedding vows of Miss Trudie N. Banks and Roy C. Lortie July 7 in Parish Methodist Church. The bride is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Grossnickle of Parish. The bridegroom is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Leon Lortie of Watertown. Matron of honor was Anna Grossnickle. mother of the bride. Bridesmaids were Linda Stitt, Darcy Spencer, aunt of the bride, and Joann Hall, sister of the bride. Traci LaBreck and Melissa Spencer were flower girls. Rick Spencer, uncle of the bride, was best man. Robert Griffith and Todd Rhoad ushered- Jeff Nash was attendant Ring bearers were Ryan Braky and Jeremy Spencer. After a reception in Hastings Fire Station, the couple vacationed in Jamboree. Wheeling, W. Va. The bride, a graduate of Altmar-Parish-Wllllamstown High School, is employed by General Motors, Fisher Body Division. The bridegroom, a graduate of General Brown Central School, is employed by the Oswego County Sheriff's Department."

Roy and Trudie Lortie may have been separated and Roy Lortie remarried as there was a real estate transaction recorded in 1990 for Roy C. Lortie and Sandra S. Lortie. It could have been a relative, but it looks like Trudie was out of the picture before Heidi Allen disappeared in 1994.
Syracuse Post Standard September 12, 1990

Syracuse Post Standard January 13, 2000 (full article below)
Syracuse Post Standard December 18, 2003 (full article below)
The rental of property to Michael Bohrer ties into this old post on the now defunct Peeled Onion Blog from May 12, 2015.


Here are Bohrer's notes that Sheriff investigators got from him in 2013 and were eventually turned over to Federal Public Defender, Lisa Peebles, before the hearing.

Another comment on the Oswego Lion
Deputy Lortie wrote the report that Joe Fahey , then Gary Thiboeau's lawyer, saw in 1995. This is at the heart of the defense case, that the full CI information wasn't turned over to Fahey in 1995. Van Patten wrote a report at the same time Fahey was asking questions about the Lortie report in 1995. Deputy Van Patten had dropped the CI card years earlier, outside the D& W.

The Lortie Report 4/27/94
Heidi Allen's role as drug informant was issue at 1994 hearing
Mike McAndrew | mmcandrew@syracuse.comBy Mike McAndrew | mmcandrew@syracuse.com
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on January 13, 2015 at 10:34 AM, updated January 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The question of whether Heidi Allen was an informant for the Oswego County Sheriff's Department before she was kidnapped was first raised in 1994 when lawyers for Gary Thibodeau were preparing to defend him before his trial.
Below is a story that was published Dec. 7, 1994 in The Post-Standard. It reports that Thibodeau's lawyers were planning to ask a judge to order the district attorney's office to turn over any records it possessed relating to Allen being a confidential drug informant.
This week, Thibodeau's lawyers are back in court seeking a new trial for him in part because they say prosecutors and the sheriff's office did not turn over records that showed Allen was a drug informant, records that they say could have helped them defend Thibodeau at his trial.
Former Oswego County Judge Jack Brandt testified this morning at the hearing.
District Attorney Greg Oakes has said the defense was provided with all required records before Thibodeau's 1995 trial.
By Janet Gramza
A defense lawyer in the Heidi Allen case has renewed questions about whether the 18-year-old New Haven girl was working as a police informant when she vanished from the D&W Convenience store April 3.
Kidnapping suspect Gary Thibodeau's lawyer, Joseph Fahey, said his questions are based on a report by an Oswego County sheriff's sergeant who recognized Allen's name as that of a "confidential informant" the morning she disappeared.
Fahey said he will ask Oswego County Judge John W. Brandt on Thursday to direct the prosecution to disclose all information about Allen's possible activities as an informant.
Sheriff's department officials say Allen did speak to deputies about an unrelated drug case two years before she disappeared, and the information she gave was never used.
Fahey said that if that's the case, it would bolster his efforts to get the case against Thibodeau dismissed.
Gary Thibodeau, 41, and his brother, Richard, are charged with first- and second-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Allen, based in part on statements by two men who were in the Worcester County Jail in Massachusetts at the same time as Gary Thibodeau. Thibodeau was in jail awaiting trial, after he was arrested in May as a fugitive from Massachusetts on misdemeanor cocaine-possession charges.
The two former inmates, Robert Baldasaro and James McDonald, claim he told them he abducted Allen because she was "going to get him in trouble" with the police over drugs.

Fahey said his interest in getting the answer was piqued by a report by sheriff's Sgt. Roy Lortie about Allen's disappearance.
In his report, Lortie wrote that when he heard a transmission about Allen's disappearance on the police scanner April 3, he recognized her name as that of a confidential informant who had worked with the department's Anti-Crime Team when he oversaw it in 1991 and 1992.
Lortie wrote that he informed Undersheriff Reuel Todd that a confidential-informant file on Allen should be in the department's locked drug files. "The file would include names of dealers that Allen would have been involved with, " Lortie wrote.
Lortie also reported that investigators were at first unable to locate the file, and asked Allen's police contact, Deputy Chris Van Patten, where it was.
"Van Patten did not recall Allen as a confidential informant in 1991 until (I) reminded him, " Lortie wrote. "Van Patten then called the office and had someone check his mailbox. The file was located and relayed to the crime scene."
Fahey and Richard Thibodeau's lawyer, Bill Walsh, said Tuesday they had not been given a confidential-informant file on Allen in response to their discovery demands requiring the prosecution to show them its evidence in the case.
Sheriff's Lt. Dean Goodsell and Todd said Tuesday that there is no formal file, because Allen was not really an informant.
Goodsell and Todd said they stand by past statements that Allen had talked to investigators in 1992 about possibly informing on a drug deal involving a friend, but the case never went anywhere. Goodsell said the case did not involve the Thibodeaus.

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Here's a piece of evidence I guess the OCSD must have " forgotten " to investigate:
oswegonylion news page
OSWEGONYLION.COM. aka oswego lion OSWEGO NY 13126. ... "after 20 years I still have to ell you there was a second van". Mike Bohere had a white van that he lent to a person who gave a statement of this...but this was not investigated. ... MB moved to Mexico with his brother after his wife left him because of abuse.

*** remember Jenn and others said they saw a WHITE VAN. Richard's van is BLACK AND WHITE.
                                                                                                                            September 7/18


To Thibodeau, OCSD, wrong spelled words, same person...I don't think so.
All these don't make sense???/ Typos they are typos.
You sound like a OCSD that is panicking. Hang on, it's gonna get worse. Hear this: how did Stinson NOT see a kidnapping if he in his own words was there before Richard and after Richard. This case is falling apart.

September 6/18

Thibodeau, OCSD and misspelled words
You're so smart, answer this:
What would chairs look like if our knees were behind our legs?
Or: If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?
Or: What's the difference between 3/8s and 2/8s?

September 6/18

New 'suspects'
Bohrer, Breckenridge, Steen, Barney, Murtaugh....ALL had some involvement with the investigation in 1994/1995.

Greg, read your own filing. NONE of them were just cherry picked from 'bad' members of the community. AND, some of them even 'confessed' to what happened to Heidi. sir (not capitalized for a reason), you are a dope and should be fired or resign from embarrassment. 3 cadaver dogs indicated in the cabin in the woods but, yet, not one of 6 State dogs so much as indicated on Gary's property. Which according to your narrative, Heidi was taken, dismembered, burned in Gary's stove, buried on his property or (at the same time) taken to MA in the Caddy on April 3, 4, 5 when it was PROVEN they were in Oswego!!

**Silent prayer that Oswego County will be rid of it's vermin masquerading as 'fighters for justice'.**

Lisa B,

You were right about an aspect of the Appeals that were sensationalized....the fact that an inoperable van was stolen from Gary's property in August 1994 by Breckenridge, Murtaugh and another. You know, from being in court and listening to the evidence (lack of) that the blue van on Gary's property could NOT have/did not have any sign that your sister was in it. Likewise, there was no evidence that Heidi was ever in Richards van. Additionally sensationalized was the disturbing of the area off Rice Road. Your DA claimed publicly that it was a reporter and former investigator who disturbed the area when, in fact, it was 2 other people who claimed responsibility days before Greg made his public accusation.

However, what was not sensationalized was the fact that 3 people who were investigated in 1994/1995 stated that they knew what happened to Heidi. The cadaver dog indications on Rice Road, also, were not sensationalized. It is a fact that they indicated as opposed to no indications from State dogs on Gary's property in June and/or July 1994-when the scent would have been 'fresh'.

It really is sad to keep believing lies!!


September 6/18


Dan Barney is a pos, but the DA believes he's an angel and must be Bobby Wheeler did also for crossing him off the list as probable suspect. Now big ol Dan sits on the town board of New Haven the very town Heidi vanished from. Ironic.

September 6/18

Re: Just Curious
Yes, he did. It’s in the Defense’s filing and the document has been posted many times and reported in the news-Among the exhibits in the court papers, results of a lie detector test taken by Gary Thibodeau from prison in 1996. The certified polygraphist concludes there "are no significant reactions to the above questions that are indicative of deception."


Re: Mrs. Granger's statements
Yes, they were turned over during the sentencing phase of Gary’s trial. Dodd wrote a letter in August 1995 about the statements and the copy of Heidi’s diary in the popo’s possession. Damn shame that Dodd KNEW about these three items and didn’t turn them over to the Defense so Fahey may have had time to use them during the trial for the jurors to take into consideration. Isn’t the prosecution required to turn over witness statements a week before trial? Why did Judge Clary not take opposition to, at least, Mrs. Granger’s April 3, 1994 statement not being turned over until July 1995?

Strategic move not to turn them over? I’d say so. The diary had no mention of Richard or Gary and we KNOW the diary was used in Richard’s trial.

More and more research into this case makes Dodd and the investigators look crooked. I hope KARMA comes swift and hard for those a-holes.

September 6/18


Re: Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
What do you think? I
can tell at least 4 different writers of comments about the
Gary Thibodeau/Heidi Allen case/ incompetent OCSD.

Since we’re playing
psychoanalysis of comments, I can tell that the 2 commenters
(about how many people they think are commenting) have a
particular personal grudge against someone. No, no
need to confirm that I’m right.


September 6/18


I do not pay that much attention to spelling especially when you are dealing with auto complete

and auto correct and I cannot always tell who is behind an email address. Between the teachers

unions and the various education departments spelling and grammar have been butchered to a

point that there is probably no going back to the English language of 50-60 years ago.

All things considered I would say there appears to be 4 or 5 regular posters re: Heidi Allen/ Gary Thibodeau

and then probably another 3 or 4 that post only once or twice a month.


Spelling aside the repeated use of various words, phrases or expressions tends to give a person a voice

which is sometimes quite recognizable. Going back to the election for mayor of Oswego in what, 2016?

Easily 90% of the posts that were pro Barlow or anti Tresseder came from the same two people using a

variety of email addresses.

Re: Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
I’ve got to agree. Most of the posts make
no sense and the consistently misspelled words are a
giveaway to one person writing them.

September 5/18


Mrs. Granger's statements
Mike Bohrer knew when he was writing his notes, etc…for his book in 1995, that Mrs. Granger caught Mr. Stinson lying about going outside to check for Heidi because there were no footprints and he ‘knew’ the clerk was Heidi? But the best Pietroski could ask Bohrer was what the public heard of his questioning? Did anyone think of asking Mr. Stinson again, since he made a statement after reading Heidi’s sisters book, what he recalls of April 3, 1994 or his testimony? Maybe Stinson is witness number 4 that stated something different to LE than what he told them. While we’re counting, witnesses 5 and 6 whose testimony was made to fit the prosecutions narrative were the inmates since, clearly, they had been told details by Gary that he was getting from his family reading him news articles while incarcerated.

The pattern of massaging witnesses is becoming painfully obvious. But yet the AG didn’t see it that way? Unless they were wrongfully steered or information withheld.

No wonder, Greg, that you initially questioned Pietroski’s integrity in a Court of Law. Pietroski, and anyone in LE who thinks something wasn’t wrong with the investigation to begin with or more recent investigation, Should Be Fired!! Get some people in there who can figure out how 1+2=3223112.

September 5/18



Just curious.
Did Gary ever take a lie detector test?


September 5/18

Gary Thibodeau..The Death Of Common Sense
Watched the Heidi Allen video on You Tube.....sure looks like it was edited in some spots. You can see Jenn's leg move in a jerky fashion but all the rest of the video is smooth.

Also watched as MB was talked to by a deputy at his trailer. He said he wasn't a violent man: Did time for attempted kidnapping in Wisconsin.

Beat and attempted another one I believe in either Wisconsin or Binghamton area.

Did he beat a woman in Beacon, NY?

Naw he's not violent.

September 4/18

As promised
Here is the complete witness statement from Mrs. Granger who was present at the D&W with Mr. Stinson before Deputy Curtis arrived and part of the letter she wrote in July 1995.

To the person who can't understand information for the Heidi Allen case, let's make this real simple.
First, read Mrs. Granger's April 3, 1994 statement. Note the received stamp.
Second, read the handwritten note she sent to LE on July 14, 1995.
Third, note the received stamp on the handwritten letter.

Why were both the initial statement and the letter both stamped for July 21, 1995? Does that mean the April 3, 1994 statement was NOT part of the 'entire' OCSD report that Dodd claimed to have turned over to defense? We July 1995 letter doesn't have a green mark either. Was it EVER turned over to the Defense? More pages are available to read if anyone would like to read the complete letter.

Note, this is witness number 3 who claims that LE did not take her statement correctly. 2 witnesses testified to such and this witness wrote a letter.

Seems to be a pattern of incompetence with those investigators.




                                                                                                                            September 4/18

Dan Barney
Dan Barney what a piece of shit. Yep a real tough guy. Always beats on guys a lot smaller than himself. Never heard about him fighting someone his own size. A big punk. I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with or knew something about Heidi Allen's fate. Just look at his background.


September 4/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
We have all been told of the vast amount of evidence the OCSD had on G.T. Of course we have yet to see, hear or been told about it...you know, like the rabbit in the hat thingy.

So let's just take a look at what the OCSD ignored, didn't follow up on, lied about in and out of court and any other info they chose to hide, forget and bury.

1. Swenkowski held the door for Richard, left at the same time as Richard and NEVER did see Heidi, Gary or a kidnapping taking place.

2. Stinson said he was there before 7:35am and flagged down a cop at 7:55am....but never saw a kidnapping. Which brings us to Bivens who says he did see the crime..but also said he was there between 8-8:30am.

3. Didn't Gary prove thru his relatives that he was home all morning?

4.How did Oakes know the caddy was in MA, when deputies testified in court that they had GT's house under survellence on the 3rd, 4th and 5th and the caddy was in the driveway.

5. How was Sharon spotted around town, talked to a pharmacist and others but was in MA at the same time?

6. Why did VanPatten tell a friend of a big bust coming from the help of a "GIRL" in Oswego?

7. Moe said on Dateline we had numerous people to look at yet never investigated Mike Bohere's white van.

8.Were the neighbors of Steen, Bohere and Breckenridge interviewed to see if they heard any of them leave early that morning?

9. We know a man testified that he borrowed Bohere's WHITE van to scrap with...but again nothing was done except for a cover up. I think I read that the DMV couldn't come up with document proof if MB did own a white van....I can understand how hard it must have been to punch in "Michael Bohere" to find proof. This is Mickey Mouse stuff people.

10. Oakes says he is certain GT is guilty..so Greg please tell us so we can put this to bed before the FBI comes to town.

11. We KNOW Jenn Wescott lived on Rice Road, knew Roger Breckenridge and went to Florida with him...this is on the tapped phone call...but again this too was ignored.

12. In Jenn's interrogation video, she is asked when something happened. She said "August" and then the video stops as if thee was an edit to it. See for yourself....You Tube.."The Heidi Allen Case"

12. "After 20 years I still have to tell you (OCSD) that there were two vans"...Jenn Wescott. Sure sounds like she knew all about this case, lied about not knowing anything and should have been arrested or held for questioning after giving the investigator this info. NOPE, but how do we ignore this? By simply telling the people that a professional investigator knew what he was doing and the public doesn't have any knowledge of how interrogations are done. Excuse me, I am laughing so hard I need a break.

13. Why did Judge King determine the witnesses that heard the 3 say at different times that it was unreliable because they all had different versions. Well Judge King, maybe they heard it at different times...but nice try anyway.

14. Jenn Wescott told them that they brought Heidi to the her house..( the same house Jenn said she never lived at ) and King says it's hearsay because Jenn did not see Heidi. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? How many statements are used in court by DAs to help build a case?
This is one up on the Hostess Twinkie Defense. Of course King you must know that most if not all statements would fall under your hearsay ruling. So why bring Steen etc. to court to tell what they heard...it's all hearsay.

15. Oakes, after just hours determined that the call between TOnya and Jenn wasn't any good...even though it was the investigators telling what to ask.

16. When Jenn was caught lying to the investigator...saying things about a white van etc. why wasn't she arrested on suspicion of knowing or being involved in a crime? Bring her in, ask questions, get some info they needed and then let her go....BRILLIANT!

I guess i could go on and on but if you were the cops, investigating a possible murder would you have ignored all of this?

Who were they covering for?

Brother if you can't answer that question you are really not trying.

First one that talks walks, all others go to prison.The Blue line is now a dotted line!


September 2-3/18




Refreshing memories

September 2-3/18

Refute This
What is really messed up over your refuted evidence claim is this. If finding nothing on Rice Road rules these suspects out, then common sense tells even the idiot DA, no human remains on Gary's property or his brothers rules them out as well. Breckenridge also testified Wescott lived on Rice. Maybe Purdy should explain her link to Leo Richardson's bar. But then again they all lie why would she ever tell the real truth? Brian Mensch testified he lived there, Purdy testified she lived there. We could go on and on, Breckenridge testified Wescott lived there, but truth is they are all obviously lying. But why? Purdy has repeated aliases and repeated addresses, wonder if she's aware some know about the camper and the couple who lived in a trailer at the end of rice road in the 90's. Do you truly believe her bullshit seeing as the landlord denies ever living with her in the same trailer. Everyone's refuting, it's the same trick Oj Simpson's attorneys used to free that murderer and the same trick the idiots in OZ used to cover up their cover up. Are you going to refute these facts. Including where Purdy seems to like having her family reunion? Please anyone with a lick of common sense knows one thing, that one thing is simple you morons have blood on your hands and it does not take a genius to figure out who the real culprits are.

Darcy Purdy has 2 rice road addresses lmao the DA didn't look too hard.

September 1/18

Does the person who sends you post after post realize that most people don't have a clue what she or he is rambling on about?? Most are so incoherent that it's impossible to decode.

Are we supposed to think it's a bunch of different people writing them when the writing style is the same right down to the misspelled words?

It's really getting old and I know the answer will be if you don't like it, don't read it or don't visit the site. I do like this site but the good stuff gets buried by all the incoherent Heidi Allen case posts.

September 1/18

Gary Thibodeau
Maybe, maybe not that he was a low level drug dealer. I don’t personally know but when people start saying “we didn’t like him” even though they also, didn’t know him, makes one wonder that there had to have been more than just his brother was at the store where Heidi disappeared to want to “get the man”. Obviously, the Sheriff’s department did a great job getting Gary’s NCIC report but yet couldn’t or didn’t find out about Bohrer.? I bet that something like assault on a police officer would make the boys in blue hold a grudge!!

Steen and Bohrer, for sure, admitted to being drug dealers.

Just like the juror said that they thought Gary was in to something but didn’t necessarily think he kidnapped Heidi. Shame on the judges instruction for them to deliberate based on who they ‘believed’. They were in a court of LAW where the burden was ‘Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt’.

Yeah Todd, like they could have found other ‘opportunity’ than a busy Easter morning years after your deputy recklessly dropped Heidi’s CI information in a public parking lot. If she hadn’t been ‘used’ up to that point, maybe she was going to give some usable information or maybe she threatened someone in the lot that morning that acted spontaneously. You guys can live with that shame. Just like the shame of forcing a minor to sign up to avoid their own trouble. Her consequences for what she had done would not have affected the rest of her life. Unless she was vying for public office. Ultimately, Sir, you failed your mission to find Heidi. So, in your infinite wisdom of Gary being guilty even though you claim to have limited involvement with Heidi’s disappearance, What is your speculation as to why Gary didn’t ‘give it up’ like you claim he did to the inmates? Nevermind, don’t answer. I don’t want to hear any more of your cockamamie lies.
                                                                                                                            August 31/18

Same ol trick new victim
It's funny some people have reported loosening of lug nuts on their car. Funny someone just did it to Richard Thibodeau. Better hope nothing happens to Richard Feds are no one to mess with, Murtagh. You have been the only one publically threatening to burn the Thibodeaus home to the ground. Your home would be the first door knocked on then your buddy Dan Barneys. Dumb asses.
                                                                                                                            August 31/18



The information group is bigger than I thought!
Bohrer also had copies of the investigation in 1994, faxed to him, with the District Attorneys number as the incoming fax.“Are you prohibiting me from asking Mr. Dodd if he faxed documents to a primary suspect?” Bianco asked the judge.
“Yes, I am,” he said. “You’re the one calling him a primary suspect.”
The judge refused to let Gary Thibodeau attorneys , question Donald Dodd on why the District Attorneys office faxed, Bohrer parts of the investigation. Suspect or not. That is not normal procedure. Why and how could this happen? sending investigation material to this guy! needs a closer look, just look for documents with a blue check mark, the system to track this material.
                                                                                                                          August 29-30/18

Set some things aside and he's a regular Joe!
Bohrer was a suspect in two other attempted kidnappings. He was also a suspect in a brutal beating to a female in Beacon, N.Y. Bohrer is from Milwaukee, it seems where ever Bohrer went back then. Things happened to women. Including his wife leaving him, for suspected abuse to his daughters. Now setting all of this aside as the investigating team did, what would make you think he could be involved? now that's more than enough for any linch mob! Why? because they knew he did not do it! which means they knew who did, they also knew it wasn't Gary, but that was their story and boy they struck to it!
                                                                                                                          August 29-30/18


Still not a reasonable doubt?
Here are five ways District Attorney Gregory Oakes and Assistant DA Mark Moody refuted the defense:

1. Judge's denial

Oakes objected to an attempt by Thibodeau's lawyer to introduce testimony about a 1981 abduction conviction against one of the three new possible suspects, Michael Bohrer. King ruled the two crimes were not similar enough to admit the 1981 case out of Milwaukee into evidence.

The victim, Catherine Schmitt, was flown in from Milwaukee to testify. But King would not allow it. She told Syracuse.com that Bohrer, a stranger to her, grabbed her from behind and dragged nearly all the way into his car, punching her in the face as he went. Thibodeau's lawyers argued that crime was so similar to Allen's kidnapping that the judge should consider them as proof that Bohrer might have been involved.

2. Who lived at Rice Road?

Darcy Purdy testified she her and her boyfriend were living in a trailer on Rice Road from January 1993 to the end of 1995 -- not Jennifer Wescott or Roger Breckenridge.
If that's the case, it blows a hole in the defense's theory that Breckenridge, Bohrer and James Steen brought the kidnapped Allen to that trailer on Easter 1994.

Purdy produced mail and a marriage registry showing that was her address in 1994. She was married in September 1994.

3. No human remains

A team of investigators from the Onondaga County Medical Examiner's Office spent two days sifting through dirt at the site of a collapsed cabin in the woods off Rice Road but found no human remains.

The team went to the site after a state police cadaver dog indicated it had picked up the scent of human remains near a collapsed cabin in an area close to where Steen alllegedly confessed to hiding Allen's remains.

Deputy Medical Examiner Dr. Laura Knight testified that she's conducted forensic excavations at three sites based on cadaver dogs alerting, but none produced any human remains.

4. Dodd's green marker system

Dodd, who prosecuted Thibodeau, testified that in 1994 and 1995 he had everyone in his office use a green marker to show that a given document had been copied and placed into a box that would be turned over to Thibodeau's lawyers. He said that mark verified that the evidence had been turned over.

Defense lawyer Randi Bianco argued that the green mark only indicated that a document had been copied, not when, by whom, or if it was turned over to Thibodeau's defense. King agreed that the mark only indicated the document had been copied.

5. Confidential informant info kept confidential

The owner of the D&W Convenience Store testified she never disclosed to anyone except her mother and police that she'd found a lost index card and photo revealing Allen was a confidential informant.

Kristine Duell found the items in the D&W parking lot in January 1992 after Deputy Chris Van Patten dropped them there. Van Patten testified that he never revealed Allen's confidential informant status to anyone outside the sheriff's office.

Thibodeau's lawyers contend the dropping of those items exposed Allen's identity as an informant and provided a motive for drug dealers to target her. The lawyers contend reports about the dropped items weren't disclosed to Thibodeau's trial lawyer.

verb (used with object)

to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe.
to distrust.
Archaic. to fear; be apprehensive about. They have control of the word reasonable, another big grey area I guess.

                                                                                                                          August 29-30/18

Fat Lady Sings
It ain't over until the fat lady sings and Jennifer Wescott isn't singing yet, but I'm certain she will be in the end.
Re: Gary Thibodeau..The Death Common Sense
                                                                                                                             August 29-30/18


                                                                                                                             August 29-30/18

conviction or convection?
How many noticed, in a submission I used the words Investigation,trail and convection! no I will not use the word conviction, it wasn't, it was convection Physics. the transfer of heat by the circulation or movement, The transfer of blame. Nothing and I do mean nothing linked Gary to this other than Heidi and the Sheriff, informant confidentiality plays a large role in this puzzle, to protect an informants identity has a wide range of gray area, yes you can lie,cheat and even steal under it's protection, this narrowed the information field to just a few officers, you've seen their names here on this site. This made steering the blame quite easy and in full control of all information within this little group! A low level drug dealer doesn't kidnap he just drives a white caddy, why do cops hate white caddy's?
                                                                                                                             August 28/18

You will never guess who.
Who was at Gary's funeral.
God I hope you are telling truth about this person because this is what I was hoping for seeing that King "leaned" to the DA, evidence ignored, hearsay (bs) King witness statements are used all the time, Jenn Wescott statement ignored, D&W: Stinson, Swenkowski (truthful), taped ph call was used to discredit Tonya, nothing more...Inv. told her what to ask so that kills the day before call as to setting up questions...and why would Tonya do this if her intent was to get to the truth, death threats to Tonya..why?

Oakes.."my kids hair etc would be in my car, they found
nothing in the van...lie. They did, I didn't match Heidi's DNA..per Kliest. Steen: "she was gonna turn in some big big guys". THis says a lot about who, what and when.
Where did RT and GT kill her in such a short period of time.
Oakes lied about caddy being in MA, per deputies stake out of GT's home.
3-4 people at D&W saw NOTHING. Stinson should have as he said he was there before and after & flagged down a cop.but did not see a kidnapping????????
Jenn: "after 20 years I still have to ell you there was a second van".

Mike Bohere had a white van that he lent to a person who gave a statement of this...but this was not investigated.
Guy said someone called Steen morning of his killing 2 ppl but doesn't know who used his phone..yeah right.

The truth is no one is going to kill for being turned in for selling pot.



All these obvious mistakes were covered up by a judge and others. This is going to be the crash of all crashes. Wait and see who was involved.

Oakes" I don't have much integrity into the OCSD inv. of this crime". Said that to Lisa Pebbles...then changed his mind after someone talked to him.
And after all this, no sighting of Gary at the store, even when Swenkowski held the door open for Richard, and Stinson said he was there before and after.

Man am I glad I am not any of you guys. Get ready because the FBI does not fool around.


Karma baby karma. Now it's your turn.

Congratulations and thank you for all the citizens that uncovered, exposed and pointed this in all the right directions...we did a great job.

Now is your chance to do the right thing....contact Lisa, FBI or DOJ on the qt if you know something.
                                                                                                                             August 28/18


For three days I've had no sleep, seeing the words that came out of our top good ole boys mouth,"lets remember this is about Heidi", just hearing you speak her name disgust me, you P.O.S we know this is about Heidi it has been since day one, I believe that your department was involved in her disappearance, and now Gary who was innocent was lost by your hands, the Sheriffs department has innocent blood on their hands and our Government just keeps handing you sanitary wipes to remove and hide your possible crimes against the community you serve, so do not think we have forgotten this is about Heidi, but now it's about you, we are teaching our grand children to know the difference between a Sheriff uniform and car as to a Troopers uniform and car, they will grow up knowing that all police are NOT GOOD. and to avoid your type at all cost!, this is age of corruption, lies and deceit and you are now a gang, I so much hated hearing Mr. Sullivan say I've worked everyday to get were I am, are you kidding, you for some reason had all the bad disappear a chance everyone else does not get, mommy and daddy with the POWER to hide your past,well not so, you just can not get all the dirty stains out of your little laundry basket, YES THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT HEIDI YOU P.O.S you made it about Gary and your corrupt department even your presence at our county fair ruined a nice day! thanks. Who could believe that a group of elected Judges looked over all this bullshit and decided that the investigation, trail and convection was done in accordance with our Judicial system and that they showed beyond any REASONABLE DOUBT that Gary was guilty. How could this be? how high does this injustice go?.
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

Clark Hamilton senior ring a bell you lying pos. you seem to think no one knows who's van you stole well everyone does now don't they. ISN'T his ex girlfriend linked to you. she sure is, she has then and is now once again working for you. sick bastard. guess what murtagh we have an audio of how you steal vans and switch the vin numbers. we are going to leak it to the public by the time you read this. it'll be LIVE
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

How is it they pulled off the van? This may explain.

                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

Gary the Innocent Thibodeau


                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18





Authorities return Richard Thibodeau's van decades later


                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18


You will never guess who.
Who was at Gary's funeral.
Who said what.
Tick tock, tick tock...
The real good ol boys may just rock your clock...\
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

kicking the beehive!
"I remember her saying she was bringing information back to someone," Carter said. "It was a big deal that she was doing this. Carter remembered that conversation Easter morning 1994, the day Allen, 18, disappeared from her job at the D&W Convenience store in New Haven. Easter morning Heidi had a report ready and considered it a BIG DEAL, now who was getting this report that Easter morning, now did anyone other than Carter, Heidi and one Sheriffs department officer know this meeting was taking place, doubtful, could it be just luck that the abductor intervened just before this information could be given that morning. This would be the same officer at the investigation STEERING wheel as he told his boss Heidi's great fear of a local coke head and that the information she had would surly put this mainline drug dealer away. THE VERY FIRST COAT OF BLUE PAINT, applied by this Sheriff himself. Step one: implicate someone else in the crime, 2: Establish a motive, 3: Get behind the wheel and STEER!. And real nice job giving the van back the day of Gary's funeral, best not to kick this beehive ass holes! there still buzzing around your dumb asses!
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18


Someone wanted to hide a piece of our puzzle WHY!
Was she actively working as a confidential informant for the Oswego County Sheriff's Office before she was abducted and presumably killed?
The official word from the police: No. Deputies only signed her up but never used her, they said.
A judge initially said it was undisputed -- Allen was an informant. Four months later, he reversed himself without explanation and agreed with the sheriff's office - she was no informant.
But at least four people have offered proof to the contrary Syracuse. com. Wow even a Judge said it was undisputed! "she was" then without explanation he changed his story, why is everyone lying when it comes to weather she was or not an informant? They testified under oath, and lied, the D.A. lied under oath and even a judge, WHY? and then all the time spent as to weather Mr. Walsh got the informant card as part of the evidence the Sheriffs sent, The Sheriffs had a fool proof method to make sure all documents were sent, A GREEN MARKING PEN WAS USED that insured all material was sent, they marked the file with a green check mark if it got sent, no index sent, no information sheet describing what was sent, wow this was a high tech dept then, and Gary's lawyer kept his files in his attic, we've come along way since 94. Why is the connection between Heidi Allen worth so much right in your face lying, because the information could solve this crime! there must be a connection if so many would lie about something this simple, she was or she was not, yes we know now, but why were they hiding this!.
                                                                                                                             August 25/18

Suppressed, Tampered with, withheld, failed to disclose and just disappeared! WHY?
Why hide evidence? count how many times.
Evidence Concerning the Non-
Disclosure of Heidi Allen’s Confidential Informant.
File and the Loss of the File by the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.
Failure to Disclose Brady Material Concerning Heidi Allen’s CI File.
The Creation of Allen’s CI File by the Oswego County Sheriff’sDepartment.
Attorney Fahey Specifically Requests the Oswego County District
Attorney to Disclose Allen’s CI File on December 8, 1994.
Attorney Fahey’s Request for the CI File was Frustrated by the
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department and the Oswego County District Attorney’s Office.
The Location of Allen’s CI File Prior to Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
Failure To Disclose Brady Material Concerning Deputy Van Patten’s Loss of

Allen’s CI File in the Parking Lot of the D&
W Convenience Store Prior to Her Abduction.
Deputy Van Patten Drops Allen’s CI File in the Parking Lot of the D&W Convenience Store.
Deputy Montgomery Retrieves Allen’s CI File from Kristine Duell at the D&W Convenience Store.
Kristine Duell’s File is Tampered with in a Restricted Area of the Sheriff’s Department.
The December 9, 1994 Internal Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten, Montgomery,

and Anderson Regarding the Loss and
Recovery of Allen’s CI File.
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department Investigator Whipple’s Maintenance of the Allen Investigative File.
Chief Assistant District Attorney Dodd’s Document Procedure.
The People’s Concealment of Allen’s CI Stat us during Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
Dodd’s Concealment of Allen’s CI File after Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
Dodd’s December 14, 1994 Claim of Disclosure of the Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten,

Montgomery and Anderson to Attorneys Fahey and Walsh.
Neither the December 9, 1994 Memoranda nor Allen’s CI File Were Disclosed to Fahey on March 21, 1995.
Dodd’s May 17, 1995 Claim of Disclosing the Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File.
Dodd’s June 5, 1995 Second Claim of Disclosing the Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File.
Evidence Developed during the April 7, 2015 Recess of How Allen Became a

Confidential Informant for the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.
Failure to Disclose BradyMaterial Concerning Darlene Upcraft’s Sighting of a White Rusty Van

Parked in Front of the D&W the Morning of Heidi Allen’s Abduction.
The Prosecution Actively Suppressed Material Evidence Concerning Heidi Allen’s Status as a

Confidential Informant and the Fact that Her Status Was Compromised by the Oswego County

Sheriff’s Department Prior to Her Abduction.
Gary Thibodeau’s Trial Record Proves the CI Evidence Was Suppressed.
The People Have Failed to Establish the Disclosure of the CI Evidence.
The Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File Were Never Turned Over to Fahey.
The December 9 , 1994 Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten, Montgomery,

and Anderson Were Never Turned
Over to Fahey.
There is a Reasonable Possibility that Had the Evidence Been Disclosed to the Defense the

Result of the Proceeding Would Have Been Different.
Trial Testimony of Robert Baldasaro.
Trial Testimony of James McDonald.
Dodd’s Closing Statement to the Jury

Newly Discovered Evidence of Alternative Suspects Responsible for Allen’s  Disappearance.
Direct Observations of Alternative Suspects Responsible for Allen’s Disappearance.
William Pierce
Jennifer Wescott ..........................................................................62
Priest and Wescott Communications
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department Recorded Interview of Wescott
Text Messages between Murtaugh and Wescott Disappear after the Sheriff’s Department

Takes Custody ofWescott’s Cell Phone
Oswego County District Attorney Conceals Wescott’s Admissions.
Additional Police Interviews of Wescott
Wescott’s Post-Conviction Hearing Testimony
Third-Party Corroboration of Wescott’s Admissions
Carl Robinson Confirms Wescott Lived on Rice Road