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Today's Quote August 24/2019

Every time I paint a portrait I lose a friend.
John Singer Sargent

177 E 2nd news
Just a quick note. 6 arrested today, 1 OD saved w/narcon, windows boarded
Up. Appears the police have removed the tenants.

Aug 24/19

177 East 2nd Street
Was pleasantly surprised when I returned home from work today and saw that 177 East 2nd street was all boarded up. Plywood covering some of the upstairs windows and the door that enters the two front apartments. Not sure when this happened. They were partying in the apartment last night until almost 6 in the morning. Must have been there last Hurrah!!! Hopefully the scourge has finally been eradicated from this house.... But as I write this there are about 8-10 people hanging out in front of 177 East 2nd and no one know what to do. Apparently the word hasn't spread yet that they are out of business!!!!!

Aug 24/19

Really, Greg?? Response
This is a joke of a cover up. So many mistakes that we the public uncovered.
I also agree with another poster below yours about the timeline.

I love to think about things. I have been over this 100 times and I still can't find one explanation.
I do have my theory about who was there but didn't see anything.
Could he have been threatened?

Bivens is a coward. He got talked to by MB after MB got a fax from the DA's DWI file.
THINK ABOUT THIS. WHY WOULD ANYONE GET A DWI FILE FROM THE DA'S OFFICE?
HE TALKED TO BIVENS ABOUT HIS TROUBLE WITH THE LAW AND CONVINCED HIM SAY IT WAS RT'S VAN AFTER HE STATED 3 TIMES IT WAS BLUE.

I know HA won't be found but the did the DAs, LE, judges break the law or step on their ethics obligations?

Judge King: if it took me one year to to make a call on one issue I'd quit my job.
Who the ph*** do you think you're kidding?
And all along killing anything Lisa had...very weak. I think I'll check your records and see if you really have a law degree.

Maybe the judges should also be sworn in to tell the truth.

Please don't give up. We have put so much info out there and Matt's doc spoke volumes and Dodd's stupidity gave even more.

Looking for HA OCSD? Then why was those tapes pf Tracy etc. hidden and not used to solve this.
Involved in the coke business? I think so. So is there a big organization behind all of this?

Bives
Dodd
Oakes
Wescott
Vanallen
Roger
Steen
Bohere
Pietroski
Todd
OCSD
and who else

HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELVES.

THINK ABOUT HEIDI AS SHE WAS BEATEN AND FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE.
LET YOUR MIND'S EYE PICTURE THIS FOR YOU AS YOU SLEEP AND THE DEMONS VISIT YOU

YOU'VE GOT TO BE WORRIED THAT SOMEONE WILL TELL WHAT HAPPENED....FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES.

WAS IT WORTH IT? TWO PEOPLE DIED.

I WONDER HOW LISA'S WRONGFUL DEATH APPEAL IS COMING.

YOU THINK LISA DIDN'T GIVE THE FBI INFO FROM MATT'S DOC?

IT'S BEEN TOO QUIET.

TIC TOC TIC TOC!

....and the relatives of those involved....can you too forget and forgive about two murders?

Aug 24/19

Spectrum Office
When you go to Spectrum you are dealing with people who were rejected by McDonalds.
She was probably just trying to get your address so she could drop by after work.

Aug 24/19

Mr. Stinson
You posted about wanting to ask some questions to the OCSD.

OOppsie...A timeline of events that was impossible to have happened.

Here's your chance to state those questions.

I don't think a lot of people believe you.
The customer's time of purchasing doesn't fit.

Aug 24/19

Trump stupidly again
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?noredirect=on

Aug 24/19

lies
Everyone knows this entire case is one lie after another. What's sad about it is many looked for a new sheriff someone who brought hope to the area and to this case. No accountability, no integrity. Sad thing is with the new sheriff nothing's changed. The feds look just as bad as the sheriff's then and now. People had hope in Hilton. Now as I speak to citizens about him and his change he spoke of. They have no faith he will fix the shit they created. A part of rebuilding integrity is admitted how fd up the entire prior dept was. Fixing the mess they created would be one hell of a start. Now not one that I've spoken to believes in Hilton or the FBI. They all stay silent, they all hide the truth and they all lack integrity and accountability. That's why OZ never sees change. That's why Hilton should never have promoted it.

Aug 24/19

Dunsmoor
Dunsmoor is connected to a lot more than you people will ever figure out.

Aug 24/19

Don't give up.
You can't fix anything in OZ without fixing the shit they've already done. By your belief just sweep it away like they always do. People are pissed off. They are not going to sweep shit away. They want accountability and justice. Last one standing will win this battle. Gary's group is only growing. It's not going away. You have a missing teen and a dead innocent man. If you think taxes come over the life of two citizens you need a good slap. Mulcahy is gearing up. He's not even close to done yet. God forbid the sheriff's get off their dead beat asses and find truth and Heidi. That's their job if we sweep that away any one of you are subject to be a Heidi or a Gary.

Aug 24/19

Barlow budget :
No tax break, just spend, spend ,spend. Does he realize SENIORS in this city, are going broke , with all these DSS people moving in, (THEY PAY NO TAXES ) just drink, do drugs and pay nothing,

Aug 24/19

Re: Death Steps
State law requires railings for anything over four steps.

Aug 24/19

Today's Quote August 23/2019

No man ever got very high by pulling other people down.
Alfred Lord Tennyson

Really, Greg??
Investigator reveals that Heidi Allen files were tampered with during 1994 investigation
https://cnycentral.com/news/local/investigator-reveals-that-heidi-allen-files-were-tampered-with-during-1994-investigation
OOppsie. Was that a "mistake" that came to light?
OOppsie....Baldasaro's "deal".
OOppsie....Dodd wrote "not to turn over to defense" on a lead investigation.
OOppsie...Heidi was signed up and gave names of dealers.
OOpppsie...Greg said in COURT that he questioned the integrity of Pietroski regarding the investigation of new revelations.
OOppsie...the Sheriff's department brought a small excavator to a possible site of remains AFTER the ME had concluded it's forensic (they could have taken soil samples as well as visually looking for remains. Speaking of remains, what was the determination of the bone found at the 'cabin' that didn't exist to Todd?
OOppsie...Heidi's diary was admitted in Richards trial (and he was found not guilty, btw) but didn't come to light until Gary's sentencing. What did the judge say about it? Mostly trysts with her (using loosely) boyfriend. No mention of either Gary or Richard.
OOppsie...A timeline of events that was impossible to have happened.
OOppsie...A deputy lying during a pre=trial hearing.
OOppsie...11th hour turning over of documentation not given to the defense before.
OOppsie...Dodd 'thought' Gary and Sharon were in MA on April 3,4, and 5.
OOppsie...'complete lack of evidence in the van as if it was cleaned'. Even when the FBI did try to match hair and fingerprints. Even when a deputy testified that the van 'was messy' when it was brought in on April 9, 1994 for the first forensic testing. Do the math and think about it....6 days, still being driven. 25 days still being driven. 2 and a half months....still being driven.

Indisputable FACTS.

But, yeah, the CRB affirmed the prosecution position...OOppsie, their determination was INCONCLUSIVE, in reality. Be brave, and call in the FBI to help you find Heidi Allen. There is not one among you that has the cojones to affirm the TRUTH?

Aug 23/19

Spectrum Office - Oswego, NY - ID for paying a cable bill with cash.
I walked into the Oswego “Spectrum” office to pay the monthly cable bill and handed the woman sitting behind the counter the cable bill and cash to pay the total amount. The woman took the bill and the money. Then she asked for *id* to verify the name on the bill? When asked why an *id* was needed to pay a bill. All she said it was for security reasons. Since when did "Spectrum" start requiring customers to produce an *id* to pay for a monthly cable bill...

Aug 23/19

Really?

What was the handwritten note about Baldasaro getting probation for violating probation when incarceration was requested by the FL probation department?
Another lie, Greg. Too bad Lisa didn’t call you out on this specific claim during the Hearing!!

Aug 23/19

Twitter Users Demand '25th Amendment Now' After Bonkers New Trump Claims
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d5e06cde4b0b59d256f1b59

Aug 23/19

Anthony Scaramucci just talked about something I have been thinking for sometime now. Trumps ego will not accept a defeat in 2020. So if he cannot rig or steal another election he will come up with some excuse to walk away before the election orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and this is entirely within the realm of possibility, he will try and have the election thrown out call his Nazi followers to arms and refuse to leave the White House.

North Carolina Governor Vetoes Bill That Would Have Required Sheriffs To Cooperate With ICE
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d5dbe96e4b0b59d256ed0ba

Aug 23/19

177 E. second St.

Aug 23/19

U.S. Added 500,000 Fewer Jobs Since 2018 Than Previously Thought
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d5ece71e4b02cc97c8a4624

Aug 23/19

CI confidentiality
PPffftt.
Oh yeah law enforcement wants/ed to keep Heidi’s status a secret…then they wouldn’t have to say in court that the dope deputy dropped her card in public. Then no one would come forward about that same deputy opening his mouth in a bar. Then they wouldn’t have to admit to signing up a minor to pass drug information. Were there no deputies who could have gone undercover instead of getting information from a minor?
What does Greg know about ‘confidentiality’ unless it suites his agenda? Was any of Heidi’s CI information from the CI card redacted before he filed them? Did he file an affidavit from a deputy that named another individual as being a CI?

I just bet, that Mike Bohrer was a CI during that time as well. I bet that HE became one for a similar reason as was given by Martha Sturtz to explain Heidi’s informing, notice I didn’t say exact same reason….that he became one to get out of his own trouble. Notice how Mike drops names of those he ‘thinks’ were involved in the drug business and their status. Anyone should be logically hard pressed to not get the connection. Mike had a pager, he was infatuated with Heidi before the disappearance, he lived nearby, he sold, admittedly, marijuana during that time, he was gone from the New Haven area for a short time after Heidi disappeared, he was a suspicious person that law enforcement ‘investigated’ back in 1994/1995. Yes, Mr. VanZandt hit it on the head, even with the original profile, that Mike Bohrer would be a primary suspicious person. Oh, let’s not forget that Dodd couldn’t find Mike’s criminal record from 1981 in 1994. Yeah, just the poor wittle old nut case who was doing his own investigation about Heidi disappearing. Take with a grain of salt….didn’t Martha also say that Mr. Benningfield suspected Mike in 1994?

Wouldn’t a guy who was pulling an all-nighter with his buddy, maybe, want to stop by his favorite convenience store to see if the object of his obsession was working, to make one of her infamous sandwiches for him?

Aug 23/19

Questions
Phone records were subpoenaed from MA. Were records from the D&W store line or pay phone? If not, why not?

Where did the inmates get the story of “they took her to near Gary’s house to talk to her….Richard brought her back…dropped her off…forgot cigarettes…went back to buy them…”? Wow!! Someone really came up with a hell of a doozy ‘story’ that was factually impossible to happen. Please don’t tell me law enforcement believed it, the inmates believed it and the jurors believed it? No one believed the disinterested witness, who didn’t know the Thibodeaus personally but was familiar with his van, who heard it go west and back east once? This witness, well…gotta read the testimony to know for yourself, heard the van go west at about 7:00am and go east within a half hour. How in the heck did Dodd convince the jurors his timeline was correct during Gary’s trial? Oh, I almost forgot, “We thought the DA had something to get that far.” (which is not a standard by which to convict. Judge should have instructed them as such). Wouldn’t this witness be credible when compared to another defense witness who testified that a deputy told her she would have heard Richard’s van at Gary’s , if he was in fact there? Bet that van echoed loudly when started in the Sheriff’s garage.
What time did Brett really leave the store? If you believe law enforcement and his testimony, he left at 6:35am. If you believe Heidi’s sister, he left at 7:15am.
Brett testified that Heidi was making a sandwich. She was so busy between 6:35am or 7:15am to the last transaction that she didn’t put the meat away?

Curious…whose names were in Heidi’s ‘day planner’ besides Brett? We KNOW Richards and Gary’s weren’t. And I mean other males.
It’s really scary that there are many people in this world who believe that just because an officer or ADA/DA presents a ‘theory’ with no corroborating facts that they must be telling the truth. Thank goodness Many wrongfully convicted have been given EXONERATION. Win at all costs.? Right DA’s?

When is SOMEONE going to step up and do right by Heidi, Gary, the community?
So many questions, so many answers and so many more questions!! Heidi’s life mattered and whomever took it needs accountability. I also demand accountability for Anyone who lied or remained silent for their own selfish reasons.

Signed,

Asking for a friend

Aug 23/19

From Oakes’ briefing for the Court of Appeals-
“Significantly, neither of these men received any benefit for their testimony (i.e
more favorable plea or sentence). There was no quid pro quo in exchange for their
testimony, so there was no incentive for them to falsely implicate Appellant. (SA
494, 524-26, 563, 573).”

“While Appellant disparages their testimony and characterizes them as nothing more than jail house
snitches, they received no consideration for their testimony. Further, in evaluating
their reliability, it's worth noting that neither man claimed that Appellant directly
admitted to kidnapping and killing Heidi Allen.”

Also, Greg, please explain why you say they didn’t claim Gary ‘confessed’ or admitted but Dodd says they did when interviewed by Matt Mulcahy. Shall I refresh your memory. Dodd was so adamant that he repeated ‘confessed’. Damn, you guys can’t even keep your stories straight with each other. Almost to the point of comical.

“I shall not rest until Justice is served.”

Aug 23/19

Today's Quote August 22/2019

Never apologize for showing feeling. When you do so, you apologize for the truth.
Benjamin Disraeli

Look nothing is going to be done about Heidi.
Its a shame however lets move on and concentrate on Oswego. LOTS OF PROBLEMS HERE TAX TAX TAX Its coming. Right BABY BARLOW.

Aug 22/19

It has been a long drawn out affair but I think the fat lady has one more aria to sing.

Why was Matt Duell going to be asked to poly?
Good job, initially, LE for your investigation. Why is it Gary was suspected if he wasn't there? You should have known from the moment someone amongst your ranks suspected him that it couldn't have been him and Richard. An alibi and no physical evidence or positive ID from any witness but, "He was close enough"? No one had any integrity back then to speak up and do what's right even though "We didn't like him"? You guys suck!! So much for law abiding. Even coming from those who are supposed to Uphold the Law!!

Phew, LE!. I'm so glad there is something called EXONERATION for people who are truly innocent of crimes that a jury of their peers 'thought' were guilty. Course, if it wasn't for the circus put on by the DA's office and Sheriff's department, this wouldn't have happened....deputies lying under oath, prosecutor not turning over ll he said/was required by law to give to the defense, 'coaching' witnesses to get the conviction, inappropriate instruction from the judge, relative of the victim on a Grand Jury, twisting facts....Instead of listing what was wrong, What was right?

VIOLA! Captain Dunsmoor connected to another missing girl's investigation.

The rat packs names all at once
How refreshing to finally see the names of those responsible for the Heidi Allen injustice, all in one row, now your on the right track.

Aug 22/19

Hypnotize
To influence, control, or direct completely, Maybe the RAT PACK can not tell the truth! Maybe Mr. ADA Moody was also hypnotized when the Mighty F.B.I was at his house? When he requested their help they put a sign on the door GONE FISHING! ring any bells Mr. under the radar Moody. You and Ralph, what a mess!

Aug 22/19

Today's Quote August 21/2019

Keep in mind that the true measure of an individual is how he treats a person who can do him absolutely no good.
Ann Landers

OC Sheriff notes provided by Greg
Shows that Miron and hypnotist (on 4-14-94 6:30am brief with Goodsell, Scruton, Wheeler, Whipple, Yerdon, and Yager). Ralph, did you ever “check w/ Dr. Myron (Hipnotist)”? BTW, you spelled the doctors name and hypnotist wrong. (Pardon my attention to detail and accuracy) It wasn’t checked as other tasks were when completed. Do you or do you not recall what I speak of? It’s OK if you don’t because I know you must be very old by now and (possibly) have diminishing mental capacity. WHY and for whom would they consider hypnotizing?

There’s one name amongst the bunch at that briefing…that just doesn’t feel like he….fits. Someone that it feels like actually has some integrity?

**Maybe someone could please post the note I’m referring to and/or enlighten me?**

Aug 21/19

CRB on Gary's case
Really?? Here we go again.

‘The Defense has access to THE ENTIRE OCSD case file but we’re not giving them this or that that I’m not telling you what I’m not giving.’(from 1994/1995 in re the trial ‘evidence’) **If you want to see the direct quote from the pre-trial Hearing in December 1994, it can easily be found and posted.**

Read the second paragraph of the letter from the AG to king, Greg and Lisa Peebles….We took photocopies of what the prosecution gave us and they didn’t give us Everything.

Without seeing, yet, page 2 of the letter that names the representative from the Sheriff’s office who signed the certification of “completeness” of discovery…I bet it was Pietroski!!
Way to go Matt, for doing the legwork. It’s all written in black and white.

Thank you, editor, for continuing to post legal documents that have been forwarded to you from this case.
What else can be done? What other forum can be used to get the Truth out?

Aug 21/19

Fire
http://www.oswegocountynewsnow.com/news/it-looked-like-a-roman-candle/article_c6bcc85a-cbf3-11e8-ad7f-57eda520a96c.html

What the HELL? Unbelievable!! He has a rental house across the street from a close family member of Heidi Allen? He was named a “probably suspect” person in 1994 and Heidi’s own father was suspicious of him in his daughter’s disappearance?
I wonder if that was more than just a coincidence…the rental house across the street from Heidi’s aunt and uncle…no tenants…the burning.
I would hope it was just a coincidence. BUT if it was on purpose and you KNOW, please call the investigator.

Aug 21/19

Today's Quote August 18-20/2019

I'd rather have roses on my table than diamonds on my neck.
Emma Goldman

Heidi Allen and the very friendly interrogations
Why would the OCSD video tape a deputy talking to MB at his trailer?

TO make it look like they are on to something.
Oldest trick in the book...hide something in the open.

Why wasn't anyone else that was talked to or interrogated video taped?

Like Tonya , Roger, Gary or Richard? NOT TO FORGET TRACY'S TAPED CALL ABOUT BLOOD ON THE BACK SEAT. Did they interrogate her? She said that a LE was at her house so much she hated him.
But was anything done with this LEAD? NOPE, can't get my friends arrested it may lead to something else...hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Didn't fit their agenda did it.

JW made an ass out of the OCSD by her interrogation, what she said and what the OCSD DIDN"T DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you LE actually believe the public is that stupid. A child can figure this out

Seems like the FBI did in the 2014 trial..." who do you think you're kidding Oswego." Remember that guy?

You think he was there just to kill time?....THINK AGAIN!!!

Soon someone will come forward with the info they need....you can bet Heidi's and Gary's lives on it...oh yeah, you already did.

Aug 18-20/19

If some of you have so much on BABY BARLOW
then why are you not confronting him in front of the public forum. It makes sense does it not. Especially Jim Bell the same code enforcement person who was getting paid for 2 jobscorrect. He is still on the School Board. WAKE UP PEOPLE. WHY was he not let go. Maybe get Tom Decastro back he was not afraid to speak up of course we have to deal with SUPERMAN DEAN

Aug 18-20/19

The proof is in the 25 year old pudding
Wow 25 years of investigation, must be because their so good. Again the CAN NOT, WILL NOT F.B.I can not and will not touch this case, it's been 25 years now the killers are all almost dead!!

Aug 18-20/19

Workers at Trump's Pennsylvania speech were told they had to attend or use paid time off or receive no pay
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/17/politics/workers-trump-speech-attend-pto-no-pay/index.html

Aug 18-20/19

He is back at it again –
Scriba Town Supervisor Robbie Ramsey is it true that you made the Scriba Town Attorney represent you in a very unrelated Scriba issue while his time was being billed to Scriba? Is this even ethical? "Making" the Scriba town attorney who doesn’t seem to get that the hidden clauses and the legalese will come back later to haunt everyone… you know, the red-icepick face – Caracoli. Why are you making the Scriba town attorney do your threatening work that you are too much of a coward to do? Especially when it has NOTHING to do with the town of Scriba? Is this being billed to Scriba Town or do you speak with him about your bullying issues off working hours? Your SH*T gets more Interesting by the minute. Mr. Scriba Superisor did you know that It's unethical and illegal to use the town attorney for other matters not related to Scriba town and those hours are billed to Scriba Town. Is it also true that it was caught on tape that you had a female in your Scriba office alone on an UNRELATED Scriba Town issue on a weekend day when no-one was there ( or you thought no one was paying attention)? They were. Want to see?

Robbie, why are you telling people that you are being bullied by several members? Grow the F*uc* -up Robbie. You are not being bullied, your working ethics are a concern. You and Caracoli are both stupid F*uc*ers! You are the biggest baby of all. Face it, you as unethical as they come and no one likes you but the "Businessmen and County officials " that you give PCs to. You pulled the same sh*t at the highway department. You do not get your way and you start shit. What is your saying? " you corner me and I will chew through you like a rat" Have you ever watched yourself eat? You chew like a rat. Go ahead. Pull the mirror out. Anyone that has ever been around you while you eat, knows exactly what I am talking about. You are a douche-bag and very unliked. You keep doing you, You miserable short, bald bad breath dickwad

Aug 18-20/19

THE REVOLVING CYCLE
Caracciolo takes a Sh*t in the bathtub and writes a story about it? WTH man! Did it ever become a best seller? um hum.... NO!

Aug 18-20/19

3.21 salad
the BOSS lady needs to eat more salad! The fat ass really needs to eat less and work more. The fake blonde needs to burn down that place like she has done to her houses and other businesses that she has run. Why is Habitat under investigation?

Aug 18-20/19

177 East 2nd Street
Well Molly walkers are still in the house so apparently they have not been evicted. Ambulance just left as one of them OD'd on Heroin. Of course she refused treatment after being brought out of her stupor so maybe she will finish the job later tonight. I am hearing rumors that Fred and Tom sold the property to some Eric guy so maybe he will have a set of nuts and do something about the mess that Tom and Fred let happen. One of the neighbors took a vacation and apparently someone tried to break into his house. It's sad when someone cant even leave for more than a day without wondering if their property will be there when they return. It is very sad what has happened to this once great city.

Aug 18-20/19

American Families Will Pay $1,000 Per Year For Trump's China Tariffs
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d5ade7ce4b04e1e14de8a9e

Aug 18-20/19

Today's Quote August 17/2019

The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.
Ayn Rand

Big Cheese
The big man who holds all the answers to Heid's abduction, did'nt say ya did it, but the rats did, I see you almost every day Ralph, guilt is aging you fast, why carry this shit to your God Dam grave. You like Todd should be cremated, It is your only escape from me pissing on your grave. And what a smile you will have when you know who I am, and you will know, when you are most vulnerable!!!

Aug 17/19

Welcome home
Welcome home Bohrer. No we didn't locate your missing brief case just yet. But wanted to ask you one question "WHERE'S HEIDI."

Aug 17/19

For those waiting
The FBI has taken out many political figures, gangsters, corrupt officials they do not mend broken walls but make them fall. The FBI was not completely involved in this case. If you think they agreed with this case your bubble will be popped. I do know something you do not on this. The FBI did certain things in Gary's case. Not everything , the case is in the jurisdiction of the sheriff dept. Always has been, always will be.

Aug 17/19

Bohrer
Be aware Bohrer may be back in upstate New York. Bohrer sightings may happen at any time. He has a new p.o. box if you'd like to check on him or drop him a line, po box 254 Parish, New York 13131.

Aug 17/19

Oswego City Budget
If you listened to Barlow and Corradino regarding the city budget you would get the distinct impression that spending is down for 2010, which, like Trump, would be a blatant lie. The city appropriations are up by $150,000. the only saving grace is that health benefits, which have been reduced, have been dropping over the past several years The assessed value of the city has again been artificially increased by $1,360,000 causing certain property owners a tax increase and the tax levy has again been increased. This is an important point, as there are the favored few that have not had a property tax increase for many years. Here is a short list of friends of Barlow who don't have to worry about their property(s) taxes going up :
Kells, DPW commissioner...40 rental properties...no tax increase in years
William Barlow Sr. .....added a big garage with concert double driveway...no tax increase for years
Jim Bell.....no tax increases in years, and remolded a house that did not get a tax increase and he did it without the expense of building permits.
Corradino...rentals have had no tax increases for years
A Avery...rentals have had no tax increases for years and he also got a couple of million for his new building downtown from the DRI.

These are a few, and the list goes on...Galloway, Broadwell, Waterbury, Pauldine, ect.

Aug 17/19

Serious allegations
That's some really serious allegations against the feds putting them in the same category committing conspiracy and covering up for a few shit head sheriff's. Which I find comical knowing what I do know. Here's the kicker next time post some proof of your allegations as it stands at the moment no one believes the feds would stand by idle and watch corruption take place and be a direct part of that corruption. I can say this you'll find out hopefully soon exactly what they believe then and now.

Aug 17/19

So many secrets
The intended recipient is Rob Ramsey. Not you. Nevertheless if you were able to get value out of my message and apply it to your own situation that speaks volumes.

Aug 17/19

Today's Quote August 16/2019

Great ambition is the passion of a great character.

Those endowed with it may perform very good or very bad acts.

All depends on the principles which direct them.
Napoleon Bonaparte

Death Steps
Was checking out the new steps at the park today and notice a young lady with her grandmother standing at the top of the stairs. The grandmother was afraid to go down them because of no hand rails . I'm thinking who the hell would spend this kind of money and not install a hand rail for the elderly or someone with a walking disability. Seriously Barlow and Kells , did you have your heads up each other's ass when planning this. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. What if they're wet and someone slips because of no railing. OSHA would love a pic of this. And what about the disability act , Wow another dumb move of Barlow and Kells.

Aug 16/19

Laughing in their face
Our current justice system isn't just blind it's arrogant. What happened to Gary and to Heidi was wrong. Gary passing away will never change that fact. We all watched an innocent person fight for his life, only to die. Then watch again as more information was with held and released to the public. There's no integrity in any of their games, the documentation dump, the lying, the bullcrap investigation that led to another innocent persons death. Several department's are responsible for this. They got away with it for the sake of not humiliating an officer and his little drug buddies? I'd say that it is not a conspiracy, they are corrupt. No one is willing to admit their obvious wrong doing and incarceration of the wrong man. Many are going to laugh at them in the end. I'll be there right beside you. What's wrong is wrong wouldn't be very right by us to stand by idle and not fix what they broke. Two wrongs never make a right.

Aug 16/19

Parking and Speed improvement Syracuse Ave.
Whatever happened to this highly publicized project? It was supposed to be completed before Harbor Fest. More BS from BS Barlow.

Aug 16/19

2020 Budget
How much money is being spent from the sewer separation fund for the general operating expenses of the city? We know that the Camden Group, which is overseeing the operation of the water and sewer plants, is being paid from the fund. Are all expenses attributed to water and sewer being paid from it? Is that how the Tax
rate is being kept low? Will we ever see an accounting of that fund?

Aug 16/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense-----response
I Wish
i wish somebody would do something or just end this sorry for her loss call all them people back somebody knows exactly what happened what a cover up

Those people did know something, all 10 of them but Judge King said they were unreliable and their stories about the "3" telling they did it wasn't any good because they were all different.

But Bivens changed HIS story about the van from it was blue until the trial and said it was white...but that's ok in a Kangaroo court.

Just think about all the evidence and actions NOT taken by OCSD and we all know what really happened huh DODD?

A tape of Tracy B. on the phone about blood on the seat and must take it to Canada and the fact that JW told them they had to go talk to Tracy & Roger was left alone.

To just mention one incident.

Todd said on Dateline that they had not suspects for weeks after the crime.

Funny thing is Todd, Richard called that morning and told you he was there and you arrested him and railroaded his brother even though he wasn't at the store.
And then at this time you still didn't have any evidence.

But hell, just make something up, excuse JW, Steen, Roger and MB.

And that video of a deputy talking to MB at his trailer is an interrogation? What about Steen, 10 ppl said they hear him or the others say they did it and Steen wasn't investigated, interrogated or even suspected.

Aug 16/19

To those waiting for an F.B.I investigation
The mighty F.B.I was there right from the start, remember Mr. D.A said the F.B.I saw the van being washed days AFTER it had been searched. Which shows they have been involved in this case since the beginng. You will only see the F.B.I if one brick in the BLUE WALL thinks about not forgetting it. CAN NOT, WILL NOT, the F.B.I mends broken walls.

Aug 16/19

Today's Quote August 15/2019

A kingdom founded on injustice never lasts.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Not just Ramsey
Road Patrol Rob Ramsey and Inspector Gadget Rob Moody are both old idi*ts with no integrity and showcase their small d*cks! and unethical behaviors. They have both slept around with many in this entire department. These guys are NOT cool. The idi*ts of the Oswego County Sheriff's Department. Neither can spell for sh*t. These men cheat because they are incompetent in their life and in the bedroom.

Aug 15/19

Over 80,000 Sign Petition To Have Street Outside Trump Tower Named After Obama
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d537d82e4b05fa9df069011

Aug 15/19

I Wish
i wish somebody would do something or just end this sorry for her loss call all them people back somebody knows exactly what happened what a cover up

Aug 15/19

The investigation of nothing
Barlow's Body Transfer Station (?)

Yep maybe. Why did the people stop the OCSD from searching their land and lawyer up?

Did the OCSD get a search warrant, or even try?

Dodd said nothing came of the Tracy tape.." blood on the back seat."

Boy telling his story, but of course according to Dodd, he wasn't informed about the results...please.
Who do you think you're kidding?
DA in this case and he wasn't given any info about a lead???

Just look at all the info that has been uncovered.
Dodd held that evidence because Roger would have been arrested and then the sky would fall.

Why did the OCSD go thru all the phone taps, interrogations and chasing leads but did not use any of it.

I really believe that they asked or made JW to look like a liar so anything she told them could be dismissed.

ADD UP ALL THE LEADS ETC YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THEN ASK YOURSELF WHAT THEY HAD ON THE BROTHERS.

NOTHING!

They intentionally ignored evidence, hid it and railroaded Gary.

Aug 15/19

Aug 15/19

Today's Quote August 14/2019

There is nothing to winning, really.

That is, if you happen to be blessed with a keen eye, an agile mind, and no scruples whatsoever.
Alfred Hitchcock

Epstein

He had to be silenced.

Barr is making a big deal of it to give the impression the government cares.

Fact is these girls were supplied to clients at Maralago and several of Trumps other clubs.

Sure the Donald didn't know about it just like he didn't know about all the illegal working at those clubs.
When the time is right Barr will declare the investigation over.

The only hope those girls have is the New York Southern District.

Aug 14/19

Heidi Allen------cops and the DA
SO STURTZ, YOU KNEW EVERYTHING? YOU KNEW ABOUT THE LITTLE BOY? YOU LET AN
INNOCENT MAN DIE IN PRISON?
So did the cops and the DA. And Dodd has the audacity to say to Matt that he wasn't informed of any action on this?????

Are you kidding???? The prosecuting DA wasn't told about one of the most important leads in this case?
Also not giving evidence to the defense which is what the law calls for?

Oh yeah it was made available..lol. Then why was other evidence given to the defense and not this?

It sure looks like the public is right..the "three" did it and the cops and the DA's office covered it up.

This is so damn obvious, so many leads to this, so many mistakes by LE covering this up & so much evidence hidden by the prosecutor.

And you don't think the FBI is not going to investigate this?
They have to. It'll make them look like a joke if they don't.

The Appeals Court also makes me shm. Evidence was so strong. What evidence. Being seen at GT's house ( if it really happened ) does not make a person guilty.

Can the Appeals court be trusted. I would have bet anything that Lisa would have won an appeal.

What evidence??????????????????????

Our criminal system is...criminal.

Logic would tell you there wasn't enough evidence, Brady Law was violated and actions taken by LE shows a cover up.

So the judges let a man die, a man that had NO NO NO evidence to convict him with.

All for the sake of some LE selling coke...two people lost their lives.

King + the Appeals Court = The Jeffery Syndrome.

Aug 14/19

Jeffrey Epstein
Is it possible that Epstein was dispatched to keep him off the witness stand to keep those Trump secrets regarding underage sex trafficking secure?

Aug 14/19

2020 Budget- OFD
Funny how the Mayor has not commented on buying the Fire Dept 2 new ambulances and adding 10 extra people in 2020. Where is this secret money coming from????? A couple years ago he was full steam ahead with privatization of that service now he’s going all in, typical politician talking out both sides of his mouth.

Aug 14/19

Barlow's Body Transfer Station (?)
The body was disposed of on Barlow's property with the Barlow's complicit knowledge? Heidi was shot by a sheriff who may have been involved in the cocaine business at Nine Mile? Would it have been more beneficial at the time for those in power to cover up the crime to avoid political embarrassment and possible conspiracy charges? Was it an election year?
Is Billy Barlow mayor of Oswego? Has anyone interviewed Brett Moore recently? Has anyone killed Brett Moore recently? The van was scrapped in Canada? Was any real attempt made to verify this? Is there a record of contact with the RCMP? Can you explain the behavior of Heidi's aunt? These questions and their answers are some of the missing elements to an award winning screenplay based on true events.
-James Patterson-

Aug 14/19

Judges with “Integrity”
Hon. James M. Metcalf has my vote for high ethical performance and outstanding integrity.

Aug 14/19

Today's Quote August 13/2019

I could be a jerk and get a lot more publicity, but that's not who I am.
Pete Sampras

So many secrets
wasnt difficult to read between the lines with your post. Very heart felt comment. I took it as this, you see many people standing and fighting, you see the anger and frustrations, the hurt they have caused, you also know the truth to who and what they are. You are asking we step back to not always retaliate, that is not always easy to do, when they've hurt your loved one. As for me being the recipient as in I, you wrote that to those fighting. I am one of those fighters. So do me a favor sir, I'll play nice as long as you pull the trigger and help get this to end. We can only corner them for so long with no authority backing us. With no power, we are at a stand still. All we are doing is holding the line until the dominos fall for the sake of those they hurt, including Gary Thibodeau. Your message opened my eyes, to the idea some times the calm before the storm is harder on them than it is on us. So when I say I, I spoke to another about your post. I said that poster is talking to all of us who's heart is in this fight for justice. To listen to follow suit. So we wait. I've been peaceful lately with that idea. Maybe that storm will bring men in suits and some serious trouble. So I, and we shall wait for now. We have found a way they just don't know it yet. What happens when you corner a rabbid animal they spring in to defence mode. My only prayer is that you and they move quickly before anyone else is hurt.

http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/2015/10/heidi-allen-likely-only-15-when-she-met_

27.html#!/2015/10/heidi-allen-likely-only-15-when-she-met_27.html

Ahhh. Mensch and Wescott got immunity to testify? But why?

Hmmm, interesting what one can learn about immunity from research. Speaking of immunity. Sharon was given immunity because she was (supposedly) lying about where she was on April 3, 4, and/or 5 and about Gary’s alibi, yet she was Acquitted during a trial by jury.

HHMM, Martha. Just fluff and drama by the prosecution. So these particular witnesses are in-credible? Yup. Didn’t believe Sharon-especially because she was indicted (with your niece’s sister-in-law as forewoman of that Grand Jury) and she was the accused’s girlfriend. Then don’t believe these other two? Geez, this is a hard one because they all told some truth. So let’s see….

Sharon told the truth about being in OC on April 3,4,5-lying charge DISMISSED.

Sharon told the truth about where she and Gary were on April 3-Acquitted. **just curious, does Dodd know how or what Truth is? Maybe he should stop thinking about how to make stuff up to suite himself…Oh, wait, that’s what a narcissist does.

Jennifer gives at least three different interviews and signs a police statement that she was telling the truth about what was written down. Phew!! Thank goodness she had Several Recorded Interviews. LIAR!! Hey, Greg, you know if you put your…mind to it, Jennifer can be charged for lying under immunity. Start with her knowing Steen and Bohrer. She goes in to an elaborate recollection “How I knew Steen from the races” when she was young yet you allow her to lie to the court because of the presumption under immunity?. “Go ask Tracey”. ‘bouncing back and forth between my parents’ house and Breckenridge gramma(?)’ around the time of Heidi’s disappearance? Dropping out of school several times between January 1994 and December 1995? ‘would babysit Roger Breckenridge’s kids for drugs? You should be fired, Greg. Add in the police ride recording (Thank you, Matt M. for sharing that with the public) This interaction between Jennifer and OC LE (including the DA’s office) is the proof of their incompetence and lack of intelligence.

Summoned to testify but doesn’t show…..four words DTMB. What is he afraid of? Helping to get Gary a new, fair trial? Or from people ‘on the outside’? Afraid of the early “probably suspect’ person? Interesting that Dan Barney wasn’t called to testify at the Hearing. Read the transcript about that scenario. Quite intriguing if you ask me. How and why did Wheeler rule him out and the very next day, Gary became prime suspect? Wheeler, Wheeler, Wheeler.

---While I do tend to believe Stinson’s statements and testimony….what I don’t believe is the timeline of events when taken into consideration with this Testifying Witness. Using his recollection 20+ years later to discredit someone coming forward after all these years…disgusting. Read what was written from Ms. Granger, or any other number of police statements about weather conditions at any time in the New Haven area on April 3, 1994. I do Admire, Mr. Stinson, though, for working with both defense and prosecution-for remaining a disinterested witness and not forming an opinion about what he ‘knew’ of the case. I, on the other hand, cannot sit by idly why people are falsely accused, a (wrongful) conviction and a young woman has been missing for over 20 years. I realize the fight is exhausting and draining (mentally and physically) but this is a missing person. A relative, a friend, a potential mother, wife….

Scrutiny? Yup, to weed out the truth from lies. To inspire others to come forward. To get Justice in this case!! To hold the proper people accountable.

‘We’ do care. The question is how much? Do we care only enough to hold a candle every now and then or do ‘we’ care to get the whole truth and have an answer? Do we believe hearsay ‘stories’ about the disappearance and trial? Or do we want Facts as determined by the legal process (statements, recorded interviews, forensics)?

Say something, cowards. Only post the blah, blah sH!+ about the poster must be involved? Nothing else to say? Why not try reading for once? Or are you illiterate and need someone with intelligence to post/read for you. Maybe you are just too old and Your memory/thinking capacity is diminishing?

Lastly, Don’t feel ashamed, Brett. Even nowadays, the younger girls like the older guys. It was not unheard of for the relationship you and Heidi had. What is rarely heard about, though, was a guy so young to be abusive to a girlfriend. What you should be ashamed of is your lack of integrity in helping Heidi be found!!

Aug 13/19

Barlow's Smoke and Mirrors 2020 City Budget
The paper today reported that Barlow and the Clown Council would release the 2020 Budget Plan at tonight's meeting. A preview of the plan shows that it is a re-election budget year for Barlow and the Comedy Council and with that they are proposing, with no changes to the tax rate, should alarm you as the numbers are disturbing.
The spending plan $45,210,000 says it down $800,000 from 2019, but, the 4 year average spending plan has been $46,268,000,so needless to say, there is your first puff of smoke, reduce the spending plan to make it look like a savings.The second puff of smoke is labor. Yes, in 2016 there was a reduction in labor, but over the next 3 years the labor pool has gone from 276 employees in 2016 to 289 employees in 2020, an increase of 13 employees at a cost of $900,000. Third puff of smoke, the tax revenue has dropped by over $600,000 from 2018 to 2020. So now here comes the mirrors.
Assessed vale of the city of Oswego in 2016 was $733,000,000 and is now over $808,000,000 est. for 2020. By artificially increasing the assessed value of the city by over $75,000,000, the property tax rate will stay at $15.67/$1,000. assessed value. Yes, increasing you property value will increase the property taxes you pay, but not the rate. you will pay an additional $1,175,000 in property taxes. By 2021, you are gong to get a tax increase, especially if the state checks the assessment of the city and sees that it is overvalued.If you look at Barlow's history you will see the following
From 2016 to 2018 your property taxes went up by 9% with a minor reduction of 2% in 2018 Total tax increase was 6% since Barlow and the Comedy Council was elected.. From 2016 to 2018, revenues went down by $855,000. From 2016 to 2018, the Real property Tax Levy went from $11,200,000 up to $12,269,000 an increase of $1,068,000 additional property taxes you paid and was done by the artificial increase in the assessed value of the city.
Over the past four years, this administration has bought millions of dollars in city equipment, police cars, pick-up trucks, etc.. that has increased our debt, while increasing labor cost, allowed the roads to get to their current horrible condition, and has given millions to their friend through the State Downtown Initiative of $10,000,000, while the housing stock in the city is crumbling,
This budget is smoke and mirrors, and will come back to bite you in the butt, and you will still have the incompetence in city government. You might want think about a write in candidate that will turn things around.
These are not make believe numbers.....but, you will probably buy into the façade and go on your merry way until you get hit with another 60% tax increase. You might want to ask the clown that represents you individual wards for some facts regarding this budget.
Gee I wonder...
What my children, wife and relatives think about me.
There isn't really any info that points to me, them, us! Is there?
They can't possibly think I allegedly was involved in a kidnapping cover up, murder or turning my back for coke kickbacks...can they?

OH GOD WHAT DID I (WE) DO?
OH WELL WHO CARES, GT IS DEAD AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN...I HOPE.

PEOPLE OF OSWEGO COUNTY. THESE GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO COME AFTER YOU IF YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN INFO TO LISA. THEY DO NOT WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.

DODD IS GOING TO THROW THEM UNDER A BUS IN MY MO.

Naw there isn't any info that points to you guys.

wait and see.

You think Lisa is going to forget how the Appeal Court screwed her and GT?
How kin made it impossible for a fair and just defense?

Greg said GT would be convicted again in another trial.
I am not a lawyer but I am willing to bet any amount of money that i could win if anything goes and the judge stays the ------- out of it.

Are you worried Dodd?
Greg?
JW?
The "three"?
Todd?

The boy.
Jw will crack under an FBI inv.
Dodd will turn states evidence.
Greg will do the same.
Steen, MG and Roger will confess.

Tracy B. will destroy all of them with the truth...etc. etc etc. as heard on a tape the DA hid from the defense.

Dodd you are going down.
Who's going with you.
As soon as the FBI gets in, a lot of people are going to spill their guts to save themselves.

AND WE WILL BE THERE TO LAGUH IN YOUR F***** FACE.

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC!

Aug 13/19

Re. Waterbury.
Lmfao 850 grand. Now he knows why they call it the money Box!!

Aug 13/19

Trump Administration Weakens Endangered Species Act Amid Global Extinction Crisis
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cf7b7b4e4b01713bed4df9b

Aug 13/19

Today's Quote August 11-12/2019

IT WASN'T GARY TIMES THREE!
Martha Sturtz : it has been made public before as it was secretly recorded
At a local real estate office

Matt Mulcahy: Martha Sturtz it has been.. although it was not allowed in court, right?

Online poster: Martha Sturtz So the SD works on real estate on the side? Glad that bunch of liars are gone!

Online poster: Martha Sturtz What secretly recorded conversation? Are you saying you didn't know a deputy was recording you when you said your family purposely hid from the public that Heidi was giving names of drug dealers, albiet from school (supposedly), to LE? Or that Heidi agreed to "inform" in exchange for only a PINS? Those words were recorded without your knowledge beforehand? Did syracuse.com play 'the entire' interview because I don't think so.

STURTZ, REAL NICE AUNT!

Martha Sturtz: Ah well what ever if we don’t find Heidi s remains it is of no interest to me lol just fluff and drama
From day 1 our focus has been to bring Heidi home
Wasn’t until our 20 year thank you to new Haven community gathering that any one was concerned enough
(if we don’t find Heidi s remains it is of no interest to me lol just fluff and drama)

Online poster: Martha Sturtz Unreal!! So give up and watch as the only (wrongfully) convicted person dies in prison?

Martha Sturtz : Online poster share what was done in first 20 years to prove what you say
we were still looking for Heidi
We never gave up
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Martha Sturtz: I wont be watching it as I know what Was said and I know all the intimate details as I lived them for 25 years
Where s Heidi?
That’s all we care about
SO STURTZ, YOU KNEW EVERYTHING? YOU KNEW ABOUT THE LITTLE BOY? YOU LET AN INNOCENT MAN DIE IN PRISON?

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Online poster: Martha Sturtz My response was to you having no interest in finding Heidi’s remains. That’s what you said “fluff and drama.” Your LE are the ones who would not follow-up on leads and dismiss any they got for frivolous reasons. Sounds familiar. Wheeler’s lying in court was frivolous too.? When did the lead about Bohrer blabbing in a bar go in to LE? It was before Tonya came forward. But....LE dismisses because ....? What about the lead from the Onondaga County inmate? Greg dismisses because.....? What about the crap pulled on Rice Road? No chemical soil testing after 3 dog indications And LE brought a small excavator to the site After the ME soil sifting. But the Rice Road site didn’t really fit Greg’s agenda, now did it?

Online poster: Martha Sturtz you know all the lies. You cheered when an innocent man was convicted of a crime he did not commit.

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Conversation Tracey Breckenridge, had with Roger Breckenridge. Appears to be a recorded statement from Tracey, while speaking with the OCSD!
#1 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: " I said what's going on?"
#2 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "He says, "I guess I got to get that van out of Murtaugh's"
#3 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "I says, why?" He said "Because it's got evidence in the back."
#4 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE:"I go, "What do you mean [by] evidence?"
#5 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: He goes, "There's blood on the backseat."

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Specifically, it is my opinion that Brent Moore, witnessed Heidi Allen's body being transported in a van and then saw her body burnt in a garage shed on the property of the Barlow residence located on Parkhurst Road, in the Town of Scriba.

Brent's account of these events, despite his young age, as told to his mother, Debra Moore, and the Catholic Charities Councilor, Camilia Utick, have the characteristics which both research and experience associate with true and accurate reports.

My examination of the drawings made by Brent and his accounts of their representations, in my judgement, contain images which accurately reflect the details of the Barlow residence and the location of Heidi Allen's remains.

Brent's behavior following the events he witnessed is entirely consistent with the expected sequelae of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Brent's mother reports that he has had difficulty in sleeping, has had of somatic complaints, and stressful concerns regarding Heidi Allen

It is my considered professional opinion that Brent Moore's accounts of the events he reports have sufficient credibility to warrant further investigation in pursuit of their ultimate physical confirmation in determining Heidi Allen's remains.

Executed this 11/09/04
Murray S. Miron

Aug 11-12/19

Grand Opening
I went to the Stewart’s grand opening this morning and there was a drunk man who looked like he fell asleep in a tanning bed. It turns out he’s one of our city councilors. People from the children’s museum were there along with a bunch of kids. He reeked of alcohol, his speech was slurred and he is the worst possible role model for our kids. Take this advice, if you’re drunk, stay home! You’re going to kill someone or yourself. Barlow, you need to do something before someone gets hurt or worse.

Aug 11-12/19

Trump Administration Authorizes Highly Toxic 'Cyanide Bombs'
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d4e1aa5e4b0fd2733f0878d

Aug 11-12/19

Shooting on Utica street
What ever happened to the gunslinger after he shot the unarmed young man? Is he still in jail? Is there a trial scheduled? He has the dubious distinction of being the first “road rage” shooter in Oswego, but, probably not the last.

Aug 11-12/19

Rt. 104 east :
I have to agree , where are these bumps coming from ??? Also what a beautiful mess they made on the northside of the road, 15ft trees growing into 40 to 60 ft trees, so attractive !!!! Should have left the 4 passes with a lawn mower ( when they are not just riding around the city) and done, no now it looks like shit !!!!! Also i now here the city workers have 100% free medical, are you kidding me, we all pay, were is this lying Mayor getting all this money. Lastly they are putting new sidewalk up in the woods across from the east side dunkin dog nuts, when my socalled aldeman put in a work order in early may and nothing. This city needs to be investigated it is jut like dc with Orange head CROOKED !!!!!!! Drugs everywhere thats why when kids can leave they are there is nothing to keep them here NO JOBS > WE have had a industrial park for at least 25 years and still nothing . OH i forgot a indoor water park WOW !!!

Aug 11-12/19

Chase Bank forgives all credit card debt for Canadian customers
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/co7kbh/flabbergasted_chase_bank_

forgives_all_credit_card/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Aug 11-12/19

Chase is one sorry excuse for a bank. You get a few mature people that know what they are doing and a whole bunch of kids who do not have a clue. If you are doing anything other than simple banking they will end up costing you money.

Our thanks to Mr. Harrington
This submission is to thank Mr. Harrington for the creation and maintenance of this social media platform, A site that lets all of us submit freely our views and concerns about our city. And most important the injustice that is the Heidi Allen case, you must realize that the group who took Heidi’s life read these post every day, almost like the Sunday paper and are so pleased when they see the mis-guided trains of thought that they planted so early on. Such as the van, the only van involved was simply seen getting a pack of smokes, all the others are bullshit, planted information that has worked so very well, while the real killers set back in their paid retirement and know it's to late. This platform tears away at the mighty blue wall, body cameras and social media or demanding clarity. And yes soon it to will pass. So thank you Mr. Harrington for your site, and the red ink that sometime in past angered me so has shed common sense on many subjects and has made me re-think my positions. Thank you Ed for your site, your fairness in all submissions and weeding out the bullshit lawyers!.

Aug 11-12/19

Today's Quote August 10/2019

If something is personal to you, you are much more likely to act.
Xavier Becerra

So many secrets
An impressive observation. Although this may apply to you. I do not believe that you are the intended recipient. If indeed you are, my apologies. Moreover, If you really want to do something you’ll find a way. If you don’t you’ll find an excuse ~ Relaja!

Aug 10/19

Just asking a question...or several
Is it possible that Gary and Richard were the scapegoats for a distant relation/s who may have actually been involved in Heidi’s disappearance and presumable murder?

Still…..in all this, it is crystal clear and obvious that IT Wasn’t Gary and/or Richard who committed this heinous act against Heidi, her family and the community.

Good job, LE, at keeping the attention on surface level. Now, do your jobs and get to the truth and hold anyone accountable for lying In A Court of Law and/or committing this crime. While you’re at it, why not look into other cold missing persons cases? Many (in the DA’s offices throughout the State) lay their campaigns on closing cases such as this. Look at Mary Rain. She won election on the back of finding and prosecuting Garrett Phillips’ killer. How did that turn out? Answer : She was elected, prosecuted Nick Hillary and was disbarred due to egregious misconduct in his prosecution. Compare Greg Oakes. He won election on the back of keeping Heidi Allen’s (supposed) kidnapper and murderer in prison. Who needs to say what to someone to get “the powers that be” to take notice of what Greg and the Sheriff’s department have done? Hidden documents not enough? Officials lying under oath is not enough? Not one single piece of ‘evidence’ that points to Gary and Richard being guilty. Not even ‘evidence’ taken as a whole.

“the inmates ‘knew’ things they could have only gotten from Gary. “ No DUH! His family would read him news articles and keep him apprised of what was happening as far as LE investigating HIM.

“they made the van move.” No DUH! Richard freely admits to being at the store that morning and making a purchase.

“she was trying to protect her man” No DUH! Because he didn’t do it and she wasn’t lying even though she was indicted just before Gary’s trial.

“a kidnapper would ‘hide’ the vehicle they took someone in” No DUH! Richard was still driving his van a week, month, until his arrest in May 1994, after being forensically tested just 6 days after the disappearance.

“he was a ‘bad guy’” Does not justify a guilty verdict for a crime one does not commit. That’s The Law!!

“the inmates had no reason to lie. They did not receive any benefit for testifying” *Laughable THAT was a lie. Baldasaro IN FACT received probation for violating probation that caused his incarceration in MA to begin with.

“Gary said Heidi was pretty….(supposed) crush on her” So what? Gary was the only man to ever say that about Heidi? Did he EVER socialize with her without Brett around? **Clever move, Dodd, by getting the inmates to say that Gary had sex with Heidi or a physical connection to her. What say you, OOPSie, did Heidi have a relationship with Gary while involved with Brett? Sick, that right there would have made me, as a family member, not believe what the inmates said along with their admitted eavesdropping on Gary’s jail phone conversations. Anyhow, aren’t inmates’ calls monitored anyhow, why would the inmates NEED to be asking him anything about what they were purposefully listening to? Secondly, did her diary mention trysts with Gary? Answer : Gary or Richards name were NOT in Heidi’s diary/planner-fact, read the trial transcripts…of course unless the judge misrepresented or Dodd lied about what was written. But for some reason I don’t think they did.

‘Series of unfortunate events’ summarizes the accusation and cockamamie theorieS Le came up with to convict Gary. NOTHING MORE.

‘foul smell from something burning on his property’ AND…..what did the forensic testing reveal? Logically, anyhow, did anyone research what it would take to disintegrate a body in a ‘fire pit’? So, forensic testing revealed teeth in the furnace? *Buzzer* Wrong answer. Look at the Smithsonian forensic report about the furnace debris.

No ONE ID’ed Richards van at Gary’s on the morning of April 3, 1994 until March 1995 when the minor witness claimed to have. Yeah, Dodd, don’t really take into consideration a child’s testimony when compared to an adults but you sure ran with the minor child when adult neighbor witnesses didn’t ID Richards van at Gary’s on April 3, 1994 with 100% certainty.

“no morphological details that suggest a human origin” found in the furnace debris. No human remains found on Gary’s property. No remains found near the pond where a witness reported supposedly seeing Richard and Gary attempting to dump a rolled carpet. **Bet this is where Steen gets “we were almost caught by a passing car.** No DNA found on ANY tool confiscated from Gary’s property. No DNA from Heidi in Richards van…when it was tested on April 9, 1994, not after it was seen at the car wash on or about April 28 OR 15, 20+ years later.

“just a different jury” why Gary was convicted and Richard was acquitted. Yes, different jury AND different ‘evidence’. Much more was brought to light and presented to the jurors than was allowed (or shown) in Gary’s. PROSECUTORIAL Misconduct!! To get the conviction AND get elected DA. HHmmm, sounds like…Mary Rain. Would that be because she worked as ADA for…Dodd?

You people really think that Joe Shmoe Q public doesn’t have higher reasoning power to figure you out? Not one person may know EVERYTHING correctly but what is known does not amount to Beyond a Reasonable Doubt that Gary was guilty. Show me what it was, then, if it wasn’t speculation and false theories!!

Too much time on my hands to be thinking of such things with this case? No way, Jose. A young woman has been missing for over 20 years and a person was wrongfully convicted for being the cause. That’s what the focus should be. Heidi’s case STINKS.

Aug 10/19

The paper....not for copy for defense attys.
" it must have been looked at but it didn't go anywhere." I don't know.
You were the prosecuting DA and the OCSD inv. didn't inform you of what or what not the boy said?

Are you kidding? Tracy's statement about blood on the seat was that also not looked at? She even mentioned to take the van to Canada....I believe.

AND NOTHING WAS FOLLOWED UP? WTF SHE JUST ADMITTED AND JW TOLD THE OCSD THAT THEY NEED TO GO TALK TO TRACY AND ROGER AND THEY COULDN'T PERFORM A SIMPLE TASK?

But I really like that grunt you did when Matt told you about the little boy seeing a cop shoot her in the head...you couldn't even speak!!
You grunted like man so scared his voice wouldn't work.

And then you said the Swenkowski was an adult male and Stinson was an adult male....too much info Dodd. That's what cops look for when questioning people. "an adult male." Which means what. Matt asked you why you believe Swenkowski and Stinson but not the little boy.

You think adults don't lie? You did , ask Lisa P.

You guys have only one chance....it the FBI doesn't investigate this.

But then why was that guy at the 2014 trial that said.." who do you think you're kidding Oswego?

Start worrying. Sleeping well? Night sweats, agitations, short temper now?

Aug 10/19

The obvious case of covering up a crime
When cops investigate they take statements an then see if they are true...especially from suspects.

In the S of Facts the first 3 witnesses said the van was blue.
Bivens of course changed his mind but the other 2 did not.

Wouldn't the fact that it was blue excuse the T. bros? Why did they Bivens change his mind?
Fax + MB + talking to Bivens about helping OCSD by changing his story may have gotten him out of a DWI...the FBI if they come will have privy to this inf.

Why did Mrs. Fabinchange her story from blue to white. Did they convince her somehow?

Why would you look for a white van if witnesses said it was blue?

Where did RT get a blue van from? Where did he park his white van during the crime as it was seen by several people that day.

GT's blue van didn't even run so that's not the one.
They massaged testimonies to fit a white van.

Why did JW say to them " after 20 years I have to tell you cops there were 2 vans."

YEP TWO VANS!!!!!

Has to be a cover up, no one is this stupid.

Still the time line has me baffled. I cannot put it together. If they turned it back, then all the customers times would be wrong and people that told when they left their houses to go to the store would have arrived before they left their houses....???? See what I mean.

If they turned it ahead then again the customers who bought items when Heidi was still there somehow were at the store and the church at the same time.

THE ONLY REASON THE GOT AWAY WITH THIS:

THEY WERE INVOLVED..NO QUESTION.

TODD STOPPED THE FBI COME FROM COMING IN...TOO OBVIOUS TODD YOU MAY BE GOING TO PRISON THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

TRACY BRECKINGRIDGE ON TAPE ABOUT BLOOD AND NOTHING WAS DONE TO INVESTIGATE HER MORE?

JW LYING WHERE SHE LIVED AND THE OCSD KNEW WHERE IT WAS.

MAN AT THE SCENE SAW A BLUE VAN SPEEDING AND DID A "U" TURN AND THE OCSD DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO TALK TO HIM..WHY NOT HE'S A WITNESS...YES A BLUE VAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIVENS WAITED ABOUT 5 DAYS TO CALL THE OCSD. HE MUST HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE CRIME BEFORE THAT. WAS HE COACHED ON WHAT TO SAY AFTER MB GOT THE FAX? I THINK SO. 5 DAYS TO REPORT WHAT HE SAW AS A KIDNAPPING...5 DAYS? MAYBE SHORTER TIME PERIOD JUST A GOOD GUESS ON MY PART. HIS TIME OF BEING THERE ISN'T IN HIS FIRST STATEMENT...SEE THE S OF FACTS.

AGAIN TODD WHY WOULD YOU NOT ASK THE FBI FOR HELP?
BECAUSE MAYBE YOU WERE AFRAID OF WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND.
RETIRING IS NOT GOING TO SAVE YOU.
NO STATUTE FOR MURDER.

TIC TOC TIC TOC

Aug 10/19

East side speed bumps
What is up with the marked speed bumps on east 104 starting at Monroe and up the hill towards Dunkin’ Donuts on both

side of the roads? anyone know?

Aug 10/19

One Sick Indivdual, I Cannot Find Words To Explain This Psychopath
''Andre and Jordan Anchondo were the parents of this child. They were shopping for party supplies for their daughter, who is turning 6, at Walmart when the shooting rampage began. Andre died protecting Jordan and she died shielding 2-month-old Paul, who was grazed by a bullet but survived.''
None of the still hospitalized victims in El Paso wanted to meet with HIM, so the orange freak's people dragged the 2 month old baby, that was orphaned when its parents were murdered by the weirdo's follower/ shooter in El Paso, to a photo op with the grinning, thumbs up sorry-assed excuse for our, (choke) prez and his smiling bimbo of a wife.
The baby's parents died trying to shield him and the orange haired creep figured it would be good to use the orphan as a prop. I don’t think I’ve ever met any NORMAL person who would think the appropriate response would be flashing a thumbs up smile, but I'm sure his fans would okay it. Something is wrong with him. I swear he is not human. The man is the baby's moron uncle who seems happier than a pig in crap to be photographed w/ his hero. The woman is a hospital administrator and she seems less than enthusiatic to be part of this abomination.
Oh well... supposedly he was ELECTED to the job, so we're stuck w/ him... at least for a while, until next year.

Aug 10/19

177 East 2nd Street
Every time it seems like maybe something is being done a new crew show up at 177 East 2nd Street. Desi Parsons fresh out of prison hanging out there now. This POS is worse than all the others put together. Some how the tax paying, working, retired old folks need to have a say in this. There has to be an avenue for them to go to besides calling OPD all the time. The slumlords Tom and Fred don't give a SH*T at all as long as their rent is getting paid (by hard working people). I am seriously afraid to leave my house for work as I do not know if anything will be there when I return. The city doesn't care because I am sure they probably get some sort of grant money for letting these lowlife scum live here. Even as I sit here writing this they are letting off fire crackers and playing with there pellet guns believing they are gang bangers!! I am again calling out OPD and Mayor Barlow to do something before someone gets hurt in this neighborhood!!!!!

Aug 10/19

Today's Quote August 9/2019

I've always been aware that the image you patiently construct for an entire career can be ruined in a minute.

It scares you a bit, but that's the way things are.

Roger Federer

177 East 2nd Street
Well another day and another arrest. Saw OPD drag a molly'd up individual out in cuffs tonight. Rest of the tenants from the other apartments must have liked it because they started shooting off fire crackers. They are getting as bad as the druggies. Constantly shooting bb or pellet guns off in the back of the apartments. Landlords are doing NOTHING!!!! It's time for them to be held accountable.

Aug 9/19

So many secrets
For some unusual reason I knew you were directing that comment at me. I can't explain how, I read it several times. I knew exactly what it meant and who you were speaking to. It may have only made sense to me. So do me a favor. I'll stop slapping them if you hurry up. I'm certain you know exactly what I'm trying to say.

Aug 9/19

Is Your Bike Missing?
Look in the front yard of 202 E. Fifth St., yard is full of all kinds of bikes........just sayin’

Aug 9/19

177 E. Second St.
How long will it take to rid yourselves of the mess forced upon you? It took three years to get rid of the Syracuse Ave. drug dealing hooker. Gotta love Oz.

Aug 9/19

Moscow Mitch, Republicans, NRA
Everyone who is up in arms over nothing being done over the sale of highly powered assault weapons needs to face the fact that as long as "Deadhead" "Moscow Mitch" who flat out refuses to present any bills to penalize any foreign government who interferes in our elections and his totally useless fellow Republican Congressmen who would rather sit back and see lives snuffed out
than to fear losing support of the NRA of their political party. They keep telling
the American People that if a Democrat President gets elected that they will
take their guns away. This is no more than another Republican lie. The Dems
DO NOT want to take the average hunters or those who have firearms for self
protection guns away from them. It is the high powered assault weapons such
as the AK-47 that they want the sales to the average Joe to stop. I can't for
the life of me believe that the Republican gun owners truly believe that the Dems
actually want to take all their firearms. The only way to get these assault (war)
weapons off the market is enough people vote in November 2020 to overcome
foreign interference by voting for all Democratic Candidates. I am one of the many
now ''Former Republicans" who voted for Trump and now I realize more than ever
it was one of the biggest mistakes that I ever made in my life and no longer or ever will be a member of the Republican Party ever again after seeing this Circus in Washington DC which as gone on far to long. It is time for this Republican Congress to wake up once and for all. Wake up "Moscow Mitch" !

Aug 9/19

Trump goes to El Paso
Bethea-ElPasoProtest-2.jpg
Trump brags about crowd size outside the El Paso Hospital that he visited, but he did not mention they were carrying signs telling him to go "back where you came from"! Survivors of the shooting that were in the hospital refused to meet with him because he is a racist!

Aug 9/19

Today's Quote August 7/2019

Choose your companions from the best; Who draws a bucket with the rest soon topples down the hill.

William Butler Yeats

So many secrets
You are more than welcome. It is pleasing that you understand the value in what the message represents. Your efforts do not go unnoticed. You have the canny ability to weed out the nonsense.

Aug 8/19

White House Violated Law With Plan To Move Hundreds Of USDA Workers: Inspector General
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d4ae71ee4b09e72973fab05

Aug 8/19

Reply to coincidence
Explain, then, why Mrs. Granger’s original statement taken April 3 or 4, 1994 has the same received stamp as the letter she wrote at a later time?” Were you in the habit of marking documents differently for the defense and/or

You are right on.

There are so many stupid mistakes in this cover up.

Who from the DA Dodd's office sent Mike Bohere a DWI fax?
Was the DA's office involved or someone that works there/
Or did a Deputy involved in the murder/cover send this to Mike Bohere?
How did he get MB's fax number? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Still don't think this is a cover up?

I hope the person who posted about new people coming forward and one saying he saw the driver of the van and it was not Richard T. is telling the truth.

Dog & Pony is right.
Why bring JW in if Greag said she is a liar? Just for show and tell.

I think Dodd just hung all involved with the paper Matt found saying.." not to copy for defense attys." Does this speak volumes about his case along with all the other stuff.

I read in 2014 that a woman at the store the time of the crime said that a deputy said I have to go find that van.

****** she said no one mentioned a van.

How much detail does one need to see what they did here.

-Tape a call and say it isn't credible
- 10 witnesses telling that they heard some or all of the "three" say they got Heidi and King says not credible. 10 witnesses King, you should be investigated too.
- Dodd saying that GT confessed i Matt's doc...but Baldasaro now says GT NEVER confessed to getting Heidi.
- 3 months to get the register tape..lol and idiot would know why.

- now we have a kid, ROGER'S WIFE ON A POLICE TAPE saying there's blood on the back seat. And what shows you the some cops were involved in this murder...THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING WITH THE INFO?????

_ Dodd hid all of this from the defense and then said it was available....sure it was, all you have to do is find it.

- Dodd, Todd, Greg deputies involved, King and possible elected officials in O. CTY should be investigated and tried.

YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE IF IT HAPPENS.

People do not hold back. Call Lisa and let her know what you have. We all owe it to being a good human being and doing what is right.

Night flying lessons at the Fulton Airport at 3-4 am.

How PHUK**G MUCH DO YOU NEED TO SUSPECT THEY WERE INVOLVED?

This reads like a first year law case.

BYE BYE if the FBI comes to Oswego.

Who will turn states evidence to save themselves?

Aug 8/19

Today's Quote August 7/2019

He makes no friends who never made a foe.
Alfred Lord Tennyson

Trump Ran Facebook Ads Decrying An Immigrant 'Invasion
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d49b208e4b0d291ed07a5af

Aug 7/19

Murtagh
I'm confused on Murtagh. Let me explain why. In 94, who owned Crosby Hill? His father or Murtagh Jr. The reason I ask this is because if his father did, the only name given was Richard Murtagh, no one ever mentioned a junior. So why is it junior is so nervous and online spreading lies? It's as if when that name came up, instantly guilt by his behavior tends to make you believe he was some how involved and the name being given is his own. The reason I believe that is because say he did own the junk yard but had no knowledge of the van being brought through. That's all he would ever have to say. He could have said I did own it but am unaware if the van came through. He could have said simply lots of workers came and went, many people come through my gates. Not every vehicle is check especially on busy days. Wouldn't that answer had been enough, instead of what he's been doing for over 5 years now?

Aug 7/19

Countries Warn Their Citizens About U.S. Travel After Mass Shootings
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d48c7c9e4b01ae816c74da3

Aug 7/19

Strange....coincidence
Lisa Buske’s sister-in-law, Mary, was forewoman on the Grand Jury that indicted Sharon Raposa/Thibodeau for lying about where she was on April 3, 4, and 5 and for lying about Gary’s alibi? The indictment was handed down in March 1995?

How can that be if the Sheriff’s department KNEW on April 4, 1994 that Gary’s Caddy was at his residence? The DA’s office or the Sheriff’s department didn’t share that information between themselves until after she was indicted? Or did Dodd proceed in front of the Grand Jury to get the indictment to taint his jury pool for the Thibodeau trials? Clearly both because Dodd testified before king saying that he had read/seen EVERY piece of paper dealing with the case. That was by December 8, 1994? Right Dodd. When did you enact your document marking and copying procedure? Lie… if you say it was from the beginning. I’d say, “Explain, then, why Mrs. Granger’s original statement taken April 3 or 4, 1994 has the same received stamp as the letter she wrote at a later time?” Were you in the habit of marking documents differently for the defense and/or court record? I know, your memory was crystal clear for testifying at the Hearing but now, not so good? That was over 20 years ago and you are getting old. Memory fades over time. Right? But isn’t that what notes are for. To refresh memory? That’s OK. Don’t say anything or answer questions because every time you open your trap a lie oozes from your jowls.

Hmm…Sharon wasn’t proven to be a liar but Wheeler was. Dodd has been proven to be a liar as well. Oh, Greg, your right in the mix as well. Credible witnesses even though they change their ‘statements’? Not if your name is Jennifer Wescott and your ‘statements’ fit the prosecution narrative. Funny how that works!!

Dog and pony show and fluff and drama is right! All put on by the prosecution side. What a joke they have been shown to be. Dare I say, criminal. How often do you see a gallery member approach the prosecution table to give the DA/ADA and envelope/folder? It did happen! Just look at the court record or, better yet, give Greg a call and see what he says. Maybe, Just maybe, you could get a copy of the page from the Hearing transcript from the Clerk’s Office. It is public record, you know? Couldn’t have waited until court was in recess or the DA/ADA was in his office? No, because that’s how one makes a dog and pony show. “oh, someone took a picture of me!” Well, who was it then, Jennifer? Dog and pony show put on by the liar so she wouldn’t be taken seriously when she gave credible/corroborating information About What Really Happened To Heidi.

What’s the reason no one outside of that clown of law enforcement investigating Heidi’s disappearance is investigating? Praying that Hilton finds the integrity to properly investigate this missing person case No Matter Who Tells/Orders him not to. That’s what integrity is. Heidi’s disappearance has ALWAYS been bigger than her family/friends. It’s a community issue, as other missing persons cases are. Someone took her, someone killed her and someone is a coward not to tell where she is.

Timeline of Events, Attention to Detail, Logical Conclusion, The Bigger Picture. Fortunately for the prosecution…simpletons. The Sheriff’s and DA’s office should be ashamed of themselves for continuing this farce of Justice!!

As El Paso Mourns Mass Shooting, Texas Gun Laws Are About To Get Even Looser
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d48dabde4b0244052dff9fc

Aug 7/19

Re177 East 2nd Street
Just wondering how much longer the elderly /retired and the young families with little ones have to endure the behavior that goes on from that house.
The drugs/the language/the fighting!!

Aug 7/19

Where are the Republican Senators
Why hasn't the Republican Senate publicly decried the killings by the white supremacist and why hasn't Moscow Mitch re-convened the senate to vote on Gun Control Bills and other measures.
Here is a list of things the senate should do to stop the hate killings by Americans on Americans:

Ban Trump from using hateful rhetoric at news conference's,hate rallies and on Twitter
Ban military style weapons (AR 15's) and large capacity clips
Make mandatory Federal back ground checks on ALL gun sales, especially at gun shows. Implement a mandatory 15 day waiting period to complete the transaction.
Place the same restrictions on purchase of ammunition and limit the quality that can be purchased at one time and take purchases.
Restrict the donation of large sums of money from the NRA to all federal offices.
Restore the funds that Trump and the senate reduced to fight domestic terrorism,
Make domestic terrorism a federal crime.
Monitor and take down dark web sites that foster hate, white supremacy, racists ideals, and neo-Nazi's.
Implement a red flag policy.
Have all senators either grow a spine and stand up to the Trump Party or resign.

We need to stop the killing and take our government back. I am not against gun ownership, but there is no place in the sport we call hunting that an AR- 15 is needed. Be a responsible gun owner and if you collect more than 6 guns, apply for a collectors permit.
I can hardly wait for all you gun nuts to start screaming about the 2nd amendment.

Aug 7/19

Judges with integrity
It was honor to finally meet my new friend Adam and his family. He has the best attitude despite his wrongful conviction. We’re going to work together to tell his story and to make our justice system even better. ( tweet from the judge who set an innocent man free last week)
These judges do exist. Judges like kangaroo King should take notes, instead of doodling. Only in OZ, do you catch a judge ruling on things never requested by the defense, or finding everything irrelevant to save face for his buddies. In the outside world there exists judges with integrity and aren't afraid to speak the truth. This judge went against the DA and the sheriff. Stood his ground and did what was right. Take note Oakes bar none this guy has far more dignity than your pathetic back room lies. When you questioned the integrity of the leading investigator in Gary's case you should have had the gutts to do what this judge just did. But instead you became the coward of the county.

Aug 7/19

Today's Quote August 6/2019

Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact.
George Eliot

Trump and His Republican Hate followers
Ed, I can not disagree with anything you said as it is all true. What we have all failed to also recognize is that Trump is making allies of Russia, China and North Korea and throwing the allies of the US aside. These new allies operate much the same way that the Nazi's did[ summary executions, murdering news reporters, using news outlets like FOX to spread their hate, using race to get the haters to do their killing, taking from the poor to enrich themselves. They are using the WEB to manipulate our elections to keep Trump and the Republican haters in office which could change the way we live as free Americans.
I find it really interesting that the Republican haters have failed to chime in on their fellow haters and the pleasure they got from the murders of non-whites which they endorse. You were correct when you stated that Trump may not have pulled the trigger, but he and his "Trump Rally of Haters" and his spewing of white supremacy slogans were the catalyst behind these murders. Now they want to hide in the shadows and Trump, with a smirk on his face says the hate must stop. Give him a few days and he will be Tweeting more hate about Baltimore and inciting more shootings.
It is time to realize that this entire group of Republicans in Washington must go and we get back to our government as it was designed for the people. There is no place left in our government for the Trump Republican Hate Party

Aug 6/19

That fat bastard does not do anything unless there is something in it for himself. I am guessing he is hoping to get special preferential deals to build Trump hotels in those countries.

Ocasio-Cortez Tells Off Kevin McCarthy: Blame White Supremacy, Not Video Games | same old Republican bullshit
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d47928ae4b0acb57fce8a54

Aug 6/19

RE: It Was Not Baltimore …………… Yet
Way to go Ed. You nailed Trump but good. Everything you said was on the money

Aug 6/19

Today's Quote August 5/2019

“We know what Trump is doing. He stokes racism. He incites violence.

We shouldn’t be asking if there’s anything he can do or if he’s responsible for this when we know the answer.”
Beto O'Rourke

It Was Not Baltimore …………… Yet
None the less trumps little Nazi followers killed nine more innocent people in a racist attack in Dayton Ohio. Ever since the shooting in Parkland Florida apologists for Trump and the NRA have been blaming these shootings on mentally unstable people and the mental health problems in this country. Evidently that is not selling well anymore and the new culprit is the video game industry.

Currently the Racist president is uncharacteristically quiet on Twitter. How many days do you think it will it be before he whips up his white supremacist followers into another frenzy? I am betting that fat orange freak can not go more than two.

Where is our local congressman, former US Attorney and Trump puppet John Katko? Did he come home for a well undeserved vacation from sucking up? Public service is not a zero sum game. You are either for the people and the country or you are against it. You can not serve a Tyrant and the citizens of a Democracy at the same time.

JOHN KATO MUST GO!

Lets not forget Congressman Brandissi. You won a close election and seem to be hiding out not doing anything controversial. It is time for you to grow a set and start speaking up.

The person that pisses me off the most this weekend is Bernie Sanders when he said “I am sure that president Trump does not want anybody in this country to go around shooting people” and he is asking us to buy into the bullshit about all these shooters being “unstable”. Well I am sure that somewhere back in Nazi Germany some Rabbi stood in front of his congregation and said he was sure Adolph Hitler did not want any of his followers to go around shooting people too. Anyone that believes that horse shit does not deserve to be a candidate for president.

Here is a news flash for you Bernie. That racists, rapist son of a bitch could care less what his followers do or who they shoot. That stupid fucking moron is just as guilty as the ones that pull the triggers.

Beto O'Rourke laid the blame for the shootings in el Paso on trumps hate speech and in doing so looked more presidential than any other candidate so far.

I wonder if there are any video games about assassination? If not that is something to look forward to.

Fake News
Trump claims to have ordered whitehouse flag to be at half mast.
Bullsh!t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The pulley on the flagpole jammed and they could not get anyone to fix it on the weekend.
He just trying to claim credit and look like he cared about the people that were masacured by his MAGGOT followers.

Aug 5/19

Heart breaking
I just watched a case unfold. An innocent man. Same as Gary's tampered with evidence, witnesses hidden, evidence such as finger prints and DNA also hidden by the DA and acting Sheriff Dept involved. He was freed the judge intervened and freed him, he even came off his podium to shake the innocent mans hand. That's integrity and that's doing what's right no matter who political career is on the line. But to see a judge carry that much respect makes you wonder why OZ is so demented. It takes one hell of a person to do what this judge just did. To bad Gary wasn't set up by kangaroo king and the goons from OZ he may have had a fighting chance if he had atleast one person with integrity, in power willing to buck the system. Sick county, only in OZ do those in power run with the criminals. At this point you cant figure out which ones are worse. Gary's case is far from dead. The day you all get arrested and charged the crowd will cheer louder than they did in court freeing Adam.

Aug 5/19

Brewing
Many new witnesses as stories on Gary and Heidi churn out by the news, are popping up. The witnesses are and have done it publically, which means new leads. One in particular saw the driver of the vehicle that morning and it wasn't Richard nor Gary. That's not the only one. One other poster claimed I'll quote her that fat cow Wescott did live on Rice Road. They are posting in their real names. Keep your eyes out, something's brewing. P.s. mulcahy isn't done just yet.

Aug 5/19

So many secrets
Well said. Ty.

Aug 5/19

Trump's Racism and White Supremacy is working
El Paso, Dayton, Charlottesville, La Vegas
Florida, Park Land, Pittsburg, Gilroy Calif, South Bend Ind., Washington, White Swan Hospital, Virginia Beach, Aurara Il, Livingston Tx, and the list goes on. All Hate Crimes shootings with an AR-15 or equivalent, and all under Trump's watch and Moscow Mitch's control of a ball less senate.. Trump keeps up his hate, racist, white supremacy speeches and the wackos go out and do Trump's killings. Trump and Moscow Mitch should be arrested for inciting these people to go out and kill. they are just as guilty. Trump and Mitch did not pull the trigger, but they caused the trigger to be pulled.
Trump, Moscow Mitch and the ball less senate need to go. Republican hate is not what our country is about. Shame on the 30% Republican hates that support this type of hatred across our country. Also time for the NRA to be dissolved.

Aug 5/19

Snitches
You missed the point. Word travels fast on this wall. Releasing a quote snitches name here, there or anywhere is dangerous, especially in OZ. Heidi is an example of what happens to snitches there. If you know anyone who's a quote snitch it's best to not leak that info. For their sake reguardless if you don't agree or don't like that person. Anything's possible. Was my point. Watch who you say anything to.

Aug 5/19

Well, here goes, ....AGAIN!!! AGAIN!!! (w/ some updating/upgrading)
Anyone who actually believes what that goofy looking, orange-skinned, double-chinned, fat-assed, fish-mouthed, golf-playing, bird-nest & neon yellow haired, freaky clown sitting on his 'thrown' in Washington or at one of his crookedly gotten golf resorts, says in order to justify their mistaken stand, and oh by the way, I DON'T MEAN the supposed intellectuals, aka NOT drumps, I mean the 'POORLY EDUCATED', that he loves so much and literally brags about!
HE said those words!. I'm kinda thinking he's referring to the stupid f**ks that swallowed not only the hook line and sinker, but also the friggin' boat motor and trailer, voting for and continuing to defend the jerk!
I mean the either too lazy to actually research this thieving, lying, scamming POS that got hired... notice I didn't say elected? ... con artist that sits in the White House, profitting from stuff he should've divested himself of, but didn't ...and laughing about his 'POORLY EDUCATED' supporters that don't know any better as they repeat daily, "YEAH! WHAT HE SAID! ... lock her up!". Instead of looking into this no-good jerk's history, they go to his 'pep rally like' shows and get on tv chanting his half-assed garbage. HE SAID THOSE WORDS PEOPLE!!! Hehe, they voted for a 'stupid hat and a bunch of stupid, or should I say, 'poorly educated' bumper stickers' and now hang 'trump in 2020 flags' in their yards. Jesus Mary and Joseph!!!!! I NEVER realized how many frigging 'tards there are in my country.
Drumph IS NOT STUPID! He has, as did his father and his siblings before and scumbag kids now, for many years used a pretty sharp criminal consciousness to swindle, con, scam and screw people out of many, many, millions of dollars. His crooked way of .... ahem ... what he calls 'doing business', has worked for him, while all the time, everyone else was getting royally f****d... you know, the rest of us that actually work/ worked and pay/ paid our bills!
This POS has actually bragged publicly that he is "the king of debt"! Yep he runs up debt and then files bankruptcy, leaving people..., employees, small companies and banks that trusted him AND sometimes we/ us taxpayers, royally f**ked. Now he's crying foul as it seems he's been be exposed and that the media is treating him unfairly.. Holy Crap, this'll be a shot to this supposedly self-made billionaire moron's ego, huh? Oh chit! HE'S not the moron. The foolish American supporters of this crook are the morons.
HUH! Hmmmm, I worked every day, and like my own Father, got by ... you know, paying the bills and hopefully raising, in his case, a bunch of kids, in mine two kids, that he and Mom could be proud of. Hehe, does anyone other than me remember the long ago phrase, 'when our ship comes in', which would today translate into ...'when we hit the lottery'... . That meant that being work-a-day folk, we could hope that maybe someday get a lucky break and climb out of our 'just getting by' spot, all the while being ripped off by these f**king theiving bastards. Hmmmm, having grown up in the 'flats', right next to the harbor, I remember asking Mom, when a grain boat or cement boat came in, "is THAT our ship, Mom?"
In crump's case, it was "Hey dad, who're we gonna screw next?". Yep, that scarf bum's looking out for us! DUH! He sure as hell's NOT looking out for me! Maybe I'm TOO well educated for that!!!!
He's actually bragged about using the tax system w/ all of its loopholes to "pay as little as I have to, according to law". OKAY, ya friggin' ripoff artist... SHOW US YER FRIGGIN' TAX RETURNS! Show us just how you used the system to do what ever nasty chit ya did, crapping on the rest of us dumbasses that actually work/ worked for a living and paid what we were told and believed was our fair share of taxes!!
Anyone that really gives a damn about knowing real, NOT FAKE NEWS, facts about their freaking hero, check into the writings of David Cay Johnston. Johnston, a journalist and Syracuse University professor, who has been interviewing and writing about this jerk for many, many years is 'THE MAN' about 'drump'. He's also a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist that is respected world-wide as one who has and WILL expose corruption, especially financial corruption. He is imminently qualified to write a real, honest-to-goodness appraisal and exposure, "The Making of Donald Trump", of the creep that has bullshitted so many regular, hard-working, tax paying, god-fearing American people and who, for the defense of his own ego, is destroying MY country. I say MY because it would seem that the ordinary work-a-day Joe or Josephine has been suckered into believing his crap versus looking a bit deeper and seeing that we all have BEEN and CONTINUE TO BE, screwed over by his past and continuing crimes is NOT our USA! We are NOT being availed of the stuff this country of OURS should be providing for US...us/we Americans!
Dumph fans ... go ahead and vote for a bunch of freaking bumper stickers! THEN CONTINUE to defend your screw-up, because you're a supposedly 'proud American' ... and I refuse to even repeat the crap that made you lean in this creep's direction! I, and on this point I'm choking, because to take one side or the other of this foolish crooked system that we have as politics, must say that for whatever perverted reason, the GOP is totally screwing up, screwing us, and what I've mentioned before as, MY/OUR country!
This POS(piece of shit) is a freaking CRIMINAL... and has been for 40 plus years! For the longest time, I just settled back, watching, and knowing that I had no bearing on any of the stupid crap going on. I'd go to work, come home and crack a cold beer, resigning myself to being a kind of historian, a logger of my own observations.
When I heard of this clown actually running for office, I thought, 'No Way... the American people CAN'T BE THAT STUPID!' Guess what, you were! Ya voted for a tv personality!
Unfortunately, thanks to the morons that follow this jerk, we ALL ... we AMERICANS... have been screwed by a useless POS...AND the repuglicans, moscow mitch & the rest, that's bought and paid for by freaking russia!!!!
If ya don't think YOU have been part of this screwing, look closer to the idiots that are actually sayin... by the way, many of HIS followers, saying... "Well russia's not all that bad". Holy S**t ...RUSSIA'S NOT ALL THAT BAD!?!?!?!?!? Good God!!! what in holy hell has happened to us????
I would LOVE to have one, any or ALL of this bastard's supporters respond to my personal rant. I'm afraid the only way it would register would be if it wasn't fox screw's crap or any of the other moronic ignorance that I hear daily from the dumbest f**ks that ever drew a breath!!!!
H0LY F%%K!!! WE'RE SCREWED!!!!
::Oh Yeah... as a post script. drumph isn't the main item here. We've been screwed by the repuglicans, to get their way and that idiot is simply their 'face'. He isn't intelligent enough to do this crap. He's simply an ego freak, absolute freaking crook and a rubber stamp that can get the dumbass fools to support THEIR agenda, all the while making his own treasonous ass richer.
Remember Reagan? Now THERE was a freaking moron that as a "B" film actor couldn't even remember his own lines. America hired that clown...TWICE, only to find years later that our figurehead prez actually had alzheimer's disease!

Aug 5/19

They are all liars
Petrowski man crush is Curtis. His idol, his mentor. Isn't that so Petrowski. You use to take one of your ex gf TM over to his house. Not just once, many times. Yup spoken to her directly myself. You are all liars. Higher ups 5 years ago Petrowski were told to watch you. Boy did you f up just as I said you would.

Aug 5/19

Shooters Names
Some of the media are refusing to broadcast or publish the names of the recent mass murders sent by there leader Trump to kill off the blacks and Latinos
If they are not going to take a stand like the Baltimore Sun did then they should at least stop rebroadcasting and retweeting the rants of that racist pig in the white house.

Aug 5/19

Which one
Who was involved in the airport at any point in time from the 70s straight through til now. If the Sheriffs name popped up now or then, how unusual would you feel that is in regards to the idea drugs were funneled through the oswego airport? If you knew the head sheriff at some point was involved with any aspect of the airport, everyone would instantly say that's fd up, and immediately say no wonder Heidi's case went the way it did. Which sheriff was it?

Aug 5/1919

Trumps New Campaign Slogan
Promises Made Promises Kept, and Make America Great Again are out. The new 2020 one is
LOCK AND LOAD

Aug 5/19

Agreed
Well then, I have to agree. All the suspects and the liars that be did was piss Peebles off. Does anyone deep down believe she just walked away. I highly doubt it. What she did was stew then stand up and dusted herself off. The people are coming for you, that I truly believe John 3:16 (Murtagh). Lisa will be the one leading. If you also believe you only pissed off a few. Times that number by several thousand. If not more. Believe in Peebles if you believe in anyone. She's fighting for all the right reasons. There will be a time this blows wide open. When it does may she gladly flip OCSD right off, seal it with a smile. Lisa isn't just a fed. She's the best they have as she turned down a huge job at the white house for Gary's case. I'm certain she also will not forgot what you've taken from everyone including herself. The idea of handing the case over upon Gary's death was already in line before he passed away. So I wouldn't doubt in any way she did just that. Believe in her, she's the only hope anyone has. This promise of change isn't happening. Maybe she'll be the one to force it.

Aug 5/19

Today's Quote August 3-4/2019

Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary.

It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body.

It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
Winston Churchill

Trump Inspired MAGA Maggot Kills 20 Hispanic Men Women And Children
http://www.startribune.com/police-warn-of-an-active-shooter-at-an-el-paso-texas-mall/516373562/

I told people after Charlottesville If you did not have a gun you better get one. This guy drove 600 miles to kill the rapists and murderers Trump claims are invading the country from our southern border. Next he will probably send his Nazi followers to Philadelphia to kill the Democrat controlled RATS which infect that city.
This could be the thing that brings Trump down long before the Democrats get off their asses. Imagine a huge lawsuit by the El Paso victims, against Trump. Bigger than anything this country has ever seen before. I can see Sarah Huckabee, Kelly Conway, Sean Hannityy and Rush Limbaugh all sitting next to him as co defendants.

Aug 3-4/19

Facebook Says It Dismantled Covert Influence Campaign Tied To Saudi Government
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d442f85e4b0aca3411c7bc2

Aug 3-4/19

Ambulance
I see listed on the Common Council Agenda to spend more money on an ambulance that we never seem to use. I noticed a new one at Harborfest, is this the one they are now getting approval for? Seems a little late.

Aug 3-4/19

Yea we see how it works
Ya wanna know it works ask good ole boy Ralph how it works, Van Patten was one of his rats and while your talking to Ralph ask him to show ya his army shovel and boots he brought back from Nam, the big cheese is getting old but has every answer to every question requarding Heidi's injustice. He once had a heart. From Hannibals first cop to Hannibals biggest flop!!!.

Aug 3-4/19

Defense Secretary Reveals Plan For Ground-Launched Missiles In Asia
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d4571b3e4b0aca3411e57ab

Aug 3-4/19

Another Mall Shooting
El Pasong inTX. is the current site of America's shooting gallery for the sick haters that are nothing more than kids that think playing shoot'em up games on their computer makes them brave. Going into a at the shopping mall and shooting unarmed women and kids just shows how the hate spread by Trump and Fox News is affecting the kids on social media. If these little haters want to show how brave they are, join the service and go to someplace like Korea, Vietnam, Iran, and Afghanistan having somebody shooting back at you. These cowards are just like Trump....hide from the service and behind MaMa's skirt, then ambush people while they have their backs turned. This is the mantra of the new Republican Party.

Aug 3-4/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Cover up? Nope says Greg Oakes. Well explain these SUSPICIOUS actions and non-actions of LE.

- Bivens gets a DWI file of Bivens faxed to him. Who the hell gets a DWI from the DA's file sent to them? No one!
- Oakes says Gary went to MA to dump body but two deputies testified in court that they watched Gary and he did not leave the county. Oakes trying to get a man convicted
when he knew he was innocent. Putting it into the news puts thoughts in people's minds.
- Todd not asking the FBI for help in a cse he did not want solved for law suit reasons, covering up cops selling drugs and who got to Heidi.
- Dodd caught lying to Lisa P. Gary's lawyer.
- County issued vehicles going to airport at 3-4 am witnessed by people living near the airport. Any ambulances, cop cars, sheriff's cars?
- Tape disclosed by Matt Mulcahey in his documentary from Roger's wife stating the van has evidence in it.
- Tape of Rich M. telling his wife they won't get us for drugs but may find out about Heidi. This says volumes about this case. Not getting us for drugs makes it sound ( imo ) that the cops knew but didn't care...why not?
- Dodd not turning over really important evidence that Matt uncovered. It said at the bottom of that sheet that Dodd was going to ask judge .....hmmm judge know something too?
- King discredits ten witnesses saying they heard guys saying they got Heidi. But anyone that testified for the state was always credible.
- Was King brought in to stall and squash the appeal? I think so.
- Heidi a CI? Looks like it doesn't it. They said no but on deputy ran the program that Todd said didn't exist and stated he signed Heidi to a CI. Doesn't matter if she gave them evidence or not she was still a CI.
- Jenn Wecott was brought in to help the DA etc. cover this up. They got info so why didn't they use it?
- The 3 were not investigated very much on where they were that morning.
- Took 3 months to get cash register tape and 6 months to get a picture of James Steen to show Pierce...now that's good police work.
- Kid testifying to seeing cop shoot Heidi in the head..Dodd hid this info and even stated so on paper. Dodd should go to prison.
- I like the "grunt " Dodd did in Matt's doc. Man did he look guilty....yep sure as hell did.
- Why wasn't the info from the junkyard owner given to the defense?

- And there is o much more. After all this does anyone doubt that this was a cover up?
How could you when all the explanations from LE can be proven false or at least leave a huge amount of uncertainty about what they DIDN'T do in their investigation.

******** so tell us, how does it feel about getting away with murder? I hope you don't think you wives, girlfriends, children friends actually believe you.

Well it may not be over yet. Lisa is the key and remember she is a FEDERAL DEFENDER. FEDERAL! So is the FBI!

Sleep well because I have a really good feeling that somone's conscience is bothering them.

THERE IS SUCH A THING ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING. TIME DOESN'T MATTER. IF YOU HAVE GOOD PROOF DON'T LET THE TIME GONE BY SWAY YOU FROM CALLING LISA.

PS: Mr. Bivens your testimony changes and the fact that you said 3 times the van was blue along with 2 other witnesses means that you are a liar.....

New Thought
First country to enter , apply . Wanting more pay does not mean a reason to seek polictico asylum , and it is first country entered , and you also have them coming from the Middle East . How do we determine who the bad people are
And they are using kids as camoufalage , grow some brains, this is about votes if the dems can not control the electro college .

Aug 3-4/19

Today's Quote August 2/2019

The world is made up for the most part of morons and natural tyrants,

sure of themselves, strong in their own opinions, never doubting anything.
Clarence Darrow

Love, Lust and Lies
Telling the truth is obviously very challenging for you Robert. Why do you feel inclined to tell lies to spare someone's feelings? Although the truth hurts, it is best to come clean. Your mistakes are clouded with your regret and guilt. Your lies are repeated wrong choices, and it is making a decision for the person you claimed to have loved. You remember the letter you wrote, it was all lies so that you could push that guilt away from you but continuing to pretend to be the person she believed you were. Your lies are not wanting to admit what you have done. Robert, you don’t lie to the person you really love. You do not do something you know will break her and then break her again by lying over and over. Lying meant losing her, the person you truly loved and then replacing her with that one someone that is paranoid and unsteady, insecure and irrational, hurt and unpredictable. She deserves so much more than lies and blame-placing. She can see past your bullshit and that terrifies you. She deserved more than to always feel like you were only giving half of yourself when she was giving everything she could. She deserves to be given the chance to heal, no matter how messy or chaotic or ugly that healing might be, she deserves to find her way back, even if that isn’t to you. Why do you keep her in this state? Why? It is selfish and evil. You know how badly you have hurt her and continue to hurt her. You don’t get to decide what she can handle. She is trying not to let her world fall apart around her when you intentionally look the other way when she is right next to you. She is trying to heal because you failed to love her.

Aug 2/19

See how that works
I’m so sorry you missed the point of the ambiguous comment.

Could be wrong, but…..’Who cares? Except for those who may be ‘snitched’ upon.” Doesn’t that mean that only a potentially dangerous person would care to know a snitches name? Doesn’t naming a snitch, in essence, make the namer a snitch as well? The namer is dangerous and a hypocrite, to boot. “See how that works?’ refers to only a dangerous person-who would be the ‘exception’ in the second sentence, would care to publicly name a ‘snitch’. Get it now?

Course, if you look at the comment from the writer being one of ‘those snitched upon’, I guess you got the point though You Would Be Wrong. I DO care that Heidi was labeled a snitch by dangerous community members. I care that a deputy was blabbing at a bar to non-law enforcement person/s that he had a young female CI in the New Haven area. I care VERY much that the same blabbing deputy (carelessly) dropped an identifying document in a public parking lot for an (undetermined) amount of time. I care that it was written on a public rest stop bathroom stall that ‘Heidi Allen is a snitch’. MOST OF ALL, I care that such an Injustice was done to both Heidi and Gary Thibodeau/Richard Thibodeau by the Oswego County justice system.

Where are the officers willing to speak up, like VanPatten’s big mouth, to get Justice? They should know more (and be able to ‘prove’ more) than the general public. There have to be some with half a brain that will speak for those who can’t!

Aug 2/19

177 East 2nd
Aug 1st and Molly Walkers still live here. So much for the eviction. It is 8:06 Thursday morning and already 1 girl on girl fight outside and at least 15 different people have come and gone since 7:00 a.m. that I have seen. One good thing I guess is I have seen the police drive by 4 times already this morning.

Aug 2/19

Iran Clams Saudi Arabia Killed Over '3000 Americans' and still gets to 'have Nuclear Weapons'
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ckhwb0/iran_clams_

saudi_arabia_killed_over_3000/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Aug 2/19

Dunkin…Cluster Fu%k on West First and Utica Street
In a couple of weeks we will see the opening of another Dunkin (formerly Dunkin Donuts) on the corner of West First Street and Utica Street. This was probably the worst site that could have been chosen for a drive-thru Dunkin, as was expressed by the citizens who showed up at the Planning and Zoning Board meetings, along with the 1,700 people that signed a petition in opposition to this Dunkin. The protesters concerns fell on deaf ears at the Planning and Zoning Boards and the city actually had a bogus traffic study done by a former Syracuse City Planner, Jim Napoleon, who stated that traffic would only be affected by 5 seconds. Hell, they cannot get Rt. 81 planned thru Syracuse and we want to rely on this guy, who knows nothing about traffic problems, especially the traffic patterns at the corner of West First and Utica. Gee I guess we can rely on a guy that was hired by Dunkin, to have our best interest at heart.

There are several questions that now have to be asked regarding this location

If this is a drive-thru, why does this location need 25 parking spaces?

There is one driveway in and the exit will have two directions that go north and south, across several lanes of traffic.

Traffic flowing north will go from 2 lanes to one lane at the entrance at Dunkin causing a pinch point, Left lane traffic going north across Utica St. will tie up one lane turning into Paul’s and will be confronted with the cars pulling out of Dunkin going south jockeying for the left arrow turn lane to get across the bridge. Cars that are heading north across Utica Street and wishing to go downtown will be held up because of the turn in lanes for Dunkin and Paul’s.

There is parking on both sides of First Street from the driveway of Paul’s and Dunkin, north, all the way to downtown, which turns this street into a one lane street.

Car s going into the YMCA heading south will be confronted with the cars pulling out of Dunkin going north, which will be a one lane.

The YMCA, Paul’s and Dunkin are open early morning and will be competing for parking and traffic flow on First street.

This will be quite a show in the mornings and the bogus traffic study took none of this into consideration. The political aspect was strictly two greedy lawyers filling their pockets with $$$. The city attorney turned the Planning and Zoning meets into a joke and tried to keep people from speaking out and pushed his agenda down the board members throats (as if that was hard) and SEQRA (State Environmental Quality Review Act), as presented by the city attorney, was pushed through with no documentation or challenges by the board ( the public was not allowed to speak on this). Yes, the traffic, I fear, will be a cluster Fu%k, and if I am wrong, I will post a note here saying so, but I am confident that will not be necessary.

Oswego; welcome to the Dunkin Cluster Fu%k!!

Aug 2/19

Today's Quote August 1/2019

Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it.
Milton Friedman

Re: Gallagher pool....
Speaking of this pool...I espied quite the scene there just a couple days ago and it wasn't a Baby Ruth....unless of course the child who dropped it happens to be named "Ruth"!

Aug 1/19

177 East Street
Well tomorrow is the 31st and the landlord has told a neighbor that the Molly Walkers have been evicted. Well not one thing has been moved from this house. People still coming and going all day long. So either the land lord lied about the eviction or the drug addicts don't care and don't plan on leaving. Should be quite a show for sure. Stay tuned as it appears it is gonna get interesting.....

Aug 1/19

I thought Waterbury was a slum lord

I live in presidential park and walk by the apartments on Lincoln Ave and they are slums. The owner or landlord whoever he is rates right up there with Waterbury The people that live in them are first class slobs..The buildings look like shit.The roofs are disgusting and the city should do something about it. We pay pretty good taxes around here and if we have to live around scum bags our taxes should go down. I would love to see the place the owner lives in and I will bet it does not look like these apartments.Hey code enforcement get off your ass and do something.

Aug 1/19

Kristen Gillibrand
Time for Kristen Jellybrain to drop out of the race. She has done nothing as Senator for NY and has flip flopped on just about every thing she stood for. Her record is dismal and she forgot there is a county by the name of Oswego. Bye, Bye, Jellybrain.

Aug 1/19

Interestingly enough her last words after the debate were to beg people to go to her website, hopefully to donate, so she would qualify for the next debate. She is not in the same class with those people.

Kamala Harris is starting to look bitchy. Other than her attacks on Biden and Trump what is she. I think Biden did ok but will fall in the polls. People said Booker did well but the more I see of him the less I like him. I feel the same way about De Blasio.

Sanders and Warren were really good and looked the better of all candidates. Other standouts were Buttigieg and Gabbard in that order. Yang, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar and Williamson also did better than their first debate.

All in all the candidates of the first night were much more focused on the issues and less focused on taking shots at each other. They were more impressive overall.

Barlow gives $27,000 to Oswego Health to transport employees
What the fu*k! Our spend and tax mayor says he is happy to give Oswego Health $27,000 to purchase a 12 passenger van to pick up their employees and take them to work and return them home. Really! Our tax dollars are being used to give free rides for the Oswego Health Employees to get to work and back home. This is an outrage! For years, we all had to provide our own transportation to our jobs, be it purchasing a car, taking a bus, sharing a ride, or walking to work on the "shoe leather express". Now the country and city are purchasing a van, paying a person to drive it, providing fuel, maintenance and paying for registration and plates. This $27,000 is in reality turns out to be $90,000+ coming out of our taxes.
Our spend happy mayor and Michael Harlovic had the balls to quote " community residents have long cited the lack of affordable transportation to their work site as a challenge to remain steadily employed". What the fu*k have the rest of us been doing for our entire work life? Every day people find ways to get to work and back, WITHOUT having the taxpayers provide transportation for them! This type of giveaway is a big reason we are a welfare county relying on the state to fund the welfare residents of Oswego. Look around. All I see is low cost housing going up all over the city and out in Scriba; all funded by your tax dollars.
It is time to replace the city council, the county legislature, the mayor and any of the "bleeding heart" assholes that think this is a good use of your tax dollars to be replaced. Contact these representatives and tell them to stop wasting our money on foolish shit like this! You want to work; find a way to the job and back home, on your dime, not ours!

Aug 1/19

See how that works
Who cares other than those who would be snitches upon, how well did your belief work for Heidi. Some of those that are being snitches up on are dangerous so yeah who really cares, Oswego already have one CI missing. Obviously people like you don't care and have no compassion for human life or for who you put in danger.

Aug 1/19

Aug 1/19

Today's Quote July 31/2019

I only wish that ordinary people had an unlimited capacity for doing harm;

then they might have an unlimited power for doing good.

Socrates

So many secrets in Oswego County
The secrets that are pure will always remain. Others pretend they know. They do not. Don’t let what is said hurt you. No one “really” knows except the ones that experienced it. People continue to push you into a corner. Do not react. Keep mental notes and put everything in perspective. People in general are afraid of change. And there are many people in your circle that are ridiculously jealous that you continue to make strides. Remember who you are, and when you are losing focus. Stop. Take a moment and get back on an even keel. Deep down you know. Life throws curveballs. People change. Circumstances change and thank God that nothing lasts forever. Forever gets complacent, boring and unappreciated. You have one chance at this life. You will discover your happiness and once you accomplish this, you can make others happy effortlessly. Believe in what you know in your heart. Most importantly, relaja!

July 30/19

Smh
Because Jessica Howard identified someone wrong in an old photo. She must be unreliable. Not so. Her testimony in court was of a family secret. That secret was the Breckenridge family knew where "Heidi was buried but wouldn't say other than by some shed or cabin." That testimony is documented in 1994 and noted by the sheriff's that "gram Breckenridge knew where Heidi was buried but wouldn't say." It was a secret in 94, documented by the Oswego county sheriff's. It was in Lisa Peebles filing. Only know to the public until years later. Only after Jessica's statement was taken. Murtagh her testimony supports, supporting documentation noted in 1994 and hidden by OCSD. It was a family secret. Also a secret the Sheriffs knew. Wrong again Murtagh. Bravo Sal Lanza for not knowing that. Why do you think Lisa took her statement. Lisa filed the documentation of knowledge of this by the sheriffs regarding this rumor back in 1994. It was never followed up, until Lisa Peebles. Read the court records and try again.

July 30/19

Today's Quote July 30/2019

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

Kirsten Gillibrand

Some people say at this next debate she will try and make some bold statements or attack another candidate in an effort to inject some life into her down for the count campaign. I think what we will see is just how much she does not belong on that stage to begin with. She was the first to declare her candidacy and she should have been the first to drop out.

July 30/19

SNITCH
Who cares? Except for those who may be ‘snitched’ upon. See how that works?

July 30/19

Shovel
Wonder if Matt Mulcahy would enlighten us about the shovel/s involved in the Gary Thibodeau trial.

1) Where did the ‘army fold-up’ shovel come from?

2) What did forensic testing of the ‘army fold-up shovel’ reveal?

3) In hindsight, could there be a connection to the ‘army fold-up’ shovel being found during the ground search on Leavitt Road in 1994 (via police notes filed by Greg Oakes) and the fact that Jennifer Wescott tells police in an interview that her parents lived on Leavitt Road around the time of Heidi’s disappearance?

4) You’ve seen all photos taken from Gary’s property? How would you describe the shovel (and other tools) physically taken from the property for forensic testing? Was any found to have a link to Heidi. And by what means (positive physical evidence) to match for Heidi’s DNA?

Did you ask Dodd about Baldasaro’s ‘deal’ with FL and MA for him being available to testify in Gary’s trial?
What does the trial testimony say about conversations the inmates had with Gary?
Did you find any other evidence at the Sheriff’s department that hasn’t already been made public that you can/will share?
Will you be doing another special with more information? Curious about more information about the little boys observation as investigated by Dr. Miron. **fluff and drama? That an investigated witness saw a uniformed person wearing black boots shoot Heidi? Why is that any less of a theory than what convicted Gary? I like Dodd’s explanation…he was too young to be a testifying witness…NICE!!!
As always, thank you for responding to public inquiry.
If You (anyone in general) Know Something, Say Something. A young life, wrongfully convicted person, was taken from their loved ones!

July 30/19

Stinson replies;
This case won't be solved or reopened on this site. But there is a new book being researched. He now has my number, as does Lisa P or the cops.

July 30/19

No it probably will not be solved on this site and as long as Republicans run Oswego County it will never be reopened by any county agency. However without this site it would never have gotten the attention it has nor would it have progressed as far as it has.

More Coward Trump Lies
I just heard coward Trump say that he went to the Word Trade Center on 9/1/2001and it makes me sick. He looked out of his apartment window in Trump Tower, from floor 66, 67, 68. funny that there are only actually 58 floors in the Trump Tower, another f'ing lie, saw the smoke, heard the news, then got in his Limo and drove across the George Washington Bridge to Bedminster Golf Corse in New Jersey. He ran from the Vietnam War with fake bone spurs just like he ran from the World Trade Center on 9/1/2001. Instead of calling him the orange man he should be called the yellow strip man for the yellow stripe that runs down his back.

July 30/19

The van
Some people keep thinking they used Matt Duells van. Wrong. They may be stupid but they are not that stupid. They stole Herms sisters van. Yes they stole it. That's not a lie from Steen. They took her van without concent. She works and has for years for both Brow family and the Murtagh family.

July 30/19

"The people that are sent to our country are not the people that we want,". "They come in through the lottery, they come in through chain migration." Donald Trump.

I totally agree with President Trump. Just as soon as he is out of office and in jail where he belongs we are going to send that B!tch Melanie and her parents back to the communist country they came from with there citizenship revoked premanently.

July 30/19

Crazy
Nothing like plastering another snitch name across the internet publically. Smh..so people have 0 dignity. If anything happens to the snitch you should be held completely responsible. Another VanPatten.

July 30/19

Stalker
To the poster doing drive bys by the Thibodeaus hopefully you get charged with stalking, you claim Richards insane to keep the van. Lol you may need some help yourself or a job, something to pass your time you obviously have way too much on your plate. You obviously have a fetish you cant get under control.

July 30/19

Not just Ramsey
It's not just Ramsey. Officer Moody was sleeping around with Murtaghs sister Beth. There are witnesses to back that. They met up at the Hastings rod and gun club on Smith road, while he was on duty. Then they'd drive back to his place in Hastings as she laid down in the back of his patrol car. She'd smoke a pack of smokes prior to arriving because his gf was complaining of smelling smoke in their bedroom, so she made certain to rub it in. If his gf sees this post and if that's a complete fact hopefully she's smart enough to put it together. On top of the fact that skank would then take a shower in her home. Hey Rob you got a phone call from the bikers lmao in which you denied these claims. How do we know. Your little fling couldn't keep her mouth shut.

July 30/19

Today's Quote July 27-29/2019

I know the law... I am it's greatest transgressor.
Roy Bean

Gallagher pool
Ran into a old friend of mine, She let me know a few things going on behind the scenes in the city. Apparently the pool is being run with inexperienced employee's. They are unsure of how to operate the chemical feeders/ filter room etc. Supervisor in charge has no answer for them as they have no clue. But when they ask the question and get no answer they get suspended with out pay. Pool was shut down one day by the health Dept! Maybe they need to stop by every day! Thats what happens when you have inexperianced workers taking orders from people who don't know how to do the job theirselves. But it all stems from the top. The Mayor has appointed this guy as his leader and he is self proclaimed the best leader going. This job as commissioner should always come from with in, someone that knows the internal operations! He knows absolutely nothing about this pool and the operations required to run it in a safe efficiant and healthy manner.He put a giant sand box in over there for heavens sake only to have sand blowing in the pool. From what I hear there is over 500 people in that pool a day that is quite the bather load plus with the sun beating down on that pool burning up the chlorine and no one knowing how to set the chemical feed is a recipe for disaster. Just wondering TK are all the swimmers taking showers? When do you shock your pool? Do you know the ideal readings for this pool to operate in a safe and efficiant way? Of course you don't, you just know the pool needs a radical slide put in without any engineering!. You were put in a position by this Mayor and in my opinion it is absolutly a terrible pick by this Mayor. You came here with agenda's and I will give you credit on that as you have succeded to accomplish what you have set out to do. The Mayor knows of these activities and has done nothing about it. Blows my mind how you can get rid of good employees that know how to run this City, harrass them and the Mayor and personnel director sit back and do nothing. But my biggest thing that put me over the top is the latest from the pool. Someone will get sick and you will find a scape goat and they will pay the price WHY? Because you have a big ego and can't admit when you are wrong! When is the last time for any reason you said you were sorry or apologized? But I am sorry for posting this truly I am, but you need to go simple as that. Plus you don't believe in God! But thats because you are the supreme being. Do us all a favor and resign! The Mayor is not going to get rid of you and the personel director is scared to do her job and she knows it! Like you always said be a team player do what is right to get the job done!~ The right thing is for you to be a team player and resign! Is your truck still off the GPS system still? If you don't resign I hope you take the Mayor down with you! I havent posted or visited this site in a long time. Doasn't mean much when you don't leave your name. This time I am sure I don't have to plus this is my last post I will ever put on here. I wish the City nothing but the best, love my home town and want nothing more but for it to succeed. But this guy needs to go and I am sure so many agree with me. Adious!

July 27-29/19

Trump Attacks Elijah Cummings As ‘Brutal Bully’ From ‘Rodent Infested’ District
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-elijah-cummings-brutal-bully-

rodent-infested-district_n_5d3c4ec1e4b0c31569eb6234

July 27-29/19

2nd Shovel
All this talk about a second shovel found inside an investigators van. Here's the article and proof the reporter caught them red handed with one. But would not admit why they possessed it. Just that it came out of an investigators van. Which investigator? Should have been the next question

July 27-29/19

SNITCH
Jaimie Thorpe is a snitch!!!

July 27-29/19

Re.the van.
Decided to drive down middle road yesterday to see the van for myself. Holy f##k yept there it was sitting in the driveway. Freaked me right out. Not only that it looks like onionville driving down though there!!

July 27-29/19

Reply to Stinson
Please ask them on this website. Cops are hiding a lot and will not give you anything.
I am interested as are many others of what your questions are.
Tks.

July 27-29/19

177 East 2nd Street
Possible some good news for this neighborhood. Spoke to a neighbor last night who said he talked with one of the land lords of this shithole. Apparently the molly walkers have been evicted. No evidence of such as they were going strong last night but I guess time will tell if they are gone or not. Then we will see who moves in next...

July 27-29/19

ice cream man
first of all let me clarify my husband's initials are not J.E.
second, he is NOT an offender or killer. He is a family man and this bull should not be said. if I find out, I'm about to turn you in for slander.
How dare you post lies and think it's ok...

July 27-29/19

Security Footage
Has anyone ever hooked up in the back room at Alex’s On The Water, while the wife sits in the boat aimlessly, drunk off of her rocker with friends? I certainly have. Should be security footage on that moment too. Eyes are always watching.
Happy Harborfest! Stay safe

July 27-29/19

Such a joke
Oakes is not worried about what's right or just. He's got his eyes on a judges position in two years. I say roll the dice Gregory. Once you leave the DA office and run for judge. This is what'll happen. The public hates you. If it's not obvious. When that door opens for the public to destroy you, it'll happen. So when you leave and announce your run for judge in two years. You will lose twice around. No one will ever vote for you but the ass kissers looking also to boost their political career. You should pray the ass kissers out weigh the majority. Because once they can put you in the position to lose everything. The public will take that open door, vote you completely out, then they are going to close it. The committee should listen more to the public than what they are, to endorse Oakes was a huge mistake. In the end you'll be no more in OZ other than a shit ass attorney or saying hello at the local wal mart. Your arrogance to believe you'll ever wear a robe is disgusting. Ever ask if you are too arrogant for your own good. If you believe whole heartedly that the public loves you, you may need to seek mental help as a narcissist.

July 27-29/19

Integrity is value
Which one of the Gleason girls did the Scriba Town Supervisor marry? I remember Rob as the short guy in the wanna-be cool guy crowd. Very nice guy and really really short. He never did anything wrong to me. It was mentioned at the memorial last week that he was trying to make a name for himself so that he could show-off at the OHS reunion. My question is why? - don’t get hung up on your high school days buddy. You are probably mid 50’s by now, let HS days go. They are not important. It does not matter that you were not popular. Look around you. The popular people haven’t accomplished anything.
If being a town supervisor in Scriba New York of all places means making a name for yourself you should get out more. There’s a whole big world to explore that you could do really great things If you really want to make a name for yourself. If being a womanizer is true and you’re screwing around on your wife no matter how emasculating she supposedly is, it is wrong in all sense. If you are giving courtesy’s out to local business people for votes and favors, than you are abusing code and cheating the community. Buddy how about start over today and build off of the nice guy you once were. Being a nice guy with integrity and good character shows more achievement than having a town supervisor title where everyone is talking crap about you, watching every move you make and airing your dirty laundry.
OSH Alumni

July 27-29/19

Lest We Forget
Your Town: The story of two Civil War southern cannons being kept in an Oswego DPW garage | WSTM

July 27-29/19

Pictures
Most normal people don't just snap, snap away. Typically you need permission to take someone's photo. Some remember only after the incident occurred, not everyone's got their eyes glued to a phone. But business cameras could quite possibly support their claims. Too bad the DnW cameras were down, along with the security silent alarm system that went to the Sheriff Dept, along with the clock broken and the register.
How convenient for the store owners. How unsafe for their employees. Quite lucky Heidi's family did not slap you with a law suit for wrong full death due to neglect for the safety of your employees. The Duells are extremely lucky. Most families in search of answers would have taken you for everything you owned.
But how inconvenient for Ramsey. He may not have gotten so lucky. Any one with photos of the inconvenient man post them. 99.9 percent get on here thinking this is pure gossip. Think again. Many things have been spread across this wall in honesty and typically backed by some documentation. In time you begin to notice its typically truthful. So Ramsey instead of defending yourself. I wouldn't push, they may slap you pretty hard with video, recordings, photos. Push away but fair warning they push back.

July 27-29/19

Mitch McConnell is a Russian asset.
By blocking election security bill after bill, he is aiding and abetting Putin’s dismantling of America. Oh yeah he too also got a ton of $$$ back-doored FROM Russia! It's a fact!
One reason the GOP stays in lockstep to keep the lid on Trump's treason is that if the flag-waving "America First!" "MAGA" base ever realizes they've been punked, suckered, conned, duped by Mitch McConnell and the rest of these crooks to do Putin's bidding, they will freak out.

July 27-29/19

Today's Quote July 26/2019

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.
Socrates

Trump’s Border Patrol Chief Was In Secret, Racist Facebook Group
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d39b7ebe4b004b6adbc1773

July 26/19

Ramsey Watchers- we want pictures!
Agreed! Produce pictures Ramsey Watchers. We only give a damn if it is true anyway. We know that Oswego County Legislator Shane Broadwell, a Scriba Town Resident, could easily answer this by looking at the security footage at his families restaurant, Alex’s On The Water, last Saturday, July 20 between the hours of 2145 - 2200. He most likely won’t because he gets PC’s from Ramsey.

There should also be some reunion / bday/ Dunsmore scholarship pictures from last weekend that could place these two together. The woman was supposedly wearing a while dress with black vertical stripes, 30’s, mousey blond straight hair and is very plain-Jane looking. And he 5’1 late 50’s, bald and a sporting a unibrow wearing a white shirt / khaki shorts with yellow teeth and nasty breath. Very easy to spot.

July 26/19

Today's Quote July 24-25/2019

Women, like men, should try to do the impossible. And when they fail, their failure should be a challenge to others.
Amelia Earhart

Coward = Scriba Town Supervisor
You totally disgust so many with your evil self centered agenda. You continue to hurt your family and others which makes you revolting Robert Ramsey. Are you proud of yourself? Do you feel accomplished now? You always wanted to rise above and make a name for yourself. Have you been polishing those your grocery store dancing shoes for that reunion? A very interesting reel will play for all.

July 22-25/19

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
Ramsey, putting your arm over your eyes does not hide you. Just because you pretend that you cannot see others it does not mean you cannot be seen. Nor does it hide your actions, nor guilt.

July 22-25/19

Question For Ramsey Watchers

With all the sightings of this guy with other women why are there no pictures?

Everybody has a camera on there cell. Where are the pictures.

July 22-25/19

Here’s the ‘thing’.

The timeline is very important when determining When Heidi may have gone missing and Who could have taken her.
LE and the DA’s office don’t acknowledge that the time on the register was off. They are using 7:42am as a FACT when it, clearly, is not. Was there time for someone/people to go there after Richard, not make a purchase, and abscond with her? Makes more sense than a purchasing customer taking her in only three minutes. Community, rightfully so, wanted answers. Do you recall the fear from the citizens as reported by the news in 1994? I didn’t experience it because I wasn’t involved in any manner but was able to read old articles on http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/.

Real facts matter, not the contrived ones from law enforcement. Read Bivens’ testimony posted here about changing his time to fit LE’s theory. They not only asked him what time he witnessed the altercation but they told him what time it supposedly happened so his statements/testimony would mirror their theory.

How can you do these things to your wife? For you to step out of your marriage union and rub it in her face by prancing around to the local establishments is definitely disappointing. This will haunt you in days... years to come. You are a very bad person. People fall in and out of love all the time. But rule of thumb is that you clean up your backyard before you move onto someone else. You have serious lack of ethics and character. No morals in the union of marriage. It is men like you that cheapen what marriage is all about. You truly are a pathetic little man.

July 22-25/19

Listen up Wives and Girlfriends
We "Men" don't cheat because we are unhappy or because we don't love our families. We cheat because we can. Simple as that. 40 percent of married couples are impacted by infidelity,

1. Frustration in the marriage is a common trigger

2. We "Men "are more likely to have affairs than women because we are seeking more s*x or attention.

3. "Once a cheater, always a cheater" - We "men" are three times more likely to cheat in our next relationship.

4. People who have strong narcissistic traits or personality disorders are more likely to cheat. Scriba Town Supervior Ramsey is Narcissistic and has multiple personality disorders - Go to Youtube and listen to the bastard beg and cry like a two year old.

Basically women... wives. you let yourself go and become unattractive, you complain about everything, ALL THE TIME. Sometimes we want to just BUILD the WALL. You become nags and you do not put out, you hold that over our heads. And... you expect all of your needs to be met and you want us to love you unconditionally and just deal with how you have let yourself go. No Ladies, Reality Check - Get it together or expect that if we haven't already, we will cheat on you at some point. Fact - Read the studies. - This post is not for your rescue Ramsey. You are still a major DOUCH-BAG.

Liz
I am sorry for what you are going through. I think we all feel badly for you. Toss him to the curb. You deserve better. Hang in there.

July 22-25/19

Alex's on the Water. Mr. Legislator Broadwell
Will you please run those tapes for Saturday, July 20th approx 9:45-10:00 pm and confirm if this is true about Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey walking through your restaurant, holding hands with a 30 something-year-old woman ( definitely not his wife)

You live in Scriba - You voted for Ramsey - You are a Legislator and your Dad own's Alex's on the Water... you have access.... and unless you want to tell us that the tapes were not working that night... LMAO! (likely) Did our loser short man town supervisor Rob Ramsey cheat on his wife at your establishment on Saturday, July 20th?

July 22-25/19

Today's Quote July 23/2019

The only way forward, if we are going to improve the quality of the environment, is to get everybody involved.
Richard Rogers

Ramsey Date Night - Without the Wify
Yep, seen this. It was roughly 9:55 P.M. Saturday night, Scriba Supervisor Ramsey and a woman (not Liz) walked right out of Alex's restaurant holding hands. She was wearing a white dress with black vertical lines. Mousy blonde straight hair. Little make-up ( lipstick and mascara only) plain-jane She was not "chubby" more like slender with a bit of something-something (fat) in the right places. Boobs and hips! Maybe mid 20's to early '30s. "He" Rob was wearing Khaki shorts and a white shirt buttoned down a little bit too much to show off his gray mainly chest hair and a gold chain to represent that he is Italian ( Rob is mostly Scottish with roughly only 25% Italian - he likes to pretend he is 100% Dago).

They, Rob and the woman came out of nowhere. The place was empty. we never saw them sitting at a table or the bar, and we were there awhile. Rob and the woman walked through the patio area, into the restaurant hand in hand and out the doors they went. He had a blank look on his face an she was talking up a storm. ( odd behavior) Why did they walk through the restaurant and out the doors if you were not there for a drink or to dine? Something fishy going on here.

July 23/19

Rob Ramsey’s date ( not his wife)
He seemly no care in the world. Douch-bag Adulter Rob Ramsey had a bit of arrogance if you will. His little man, short-stepping self “ coming out of nowhere, highly reconzible as he walks past us. Our jaws dropping in dismay knowing it is not Liz, his wife. Rob held this woman’s hand and strolled right past us as if he was someone who is full of self-worth or self-importance. **laughable** The short little man has a sheriff badge and he thinks he has superiority over others. “ man the only superiority you have is when you are pulling someone over writing traffic tickets on the nights you’re not at the Dunsmore Brothel”. The rest of your exsistance you’re just a short little rat with a big nose, bad breath and yellow teeth with no morals. You lack integrity man. You are only a street road patrol officer. You give the real cops a bad name. Why are you cheating on your wife? The disrespect you have showboating your 28-30-something blonde date locally is classless. Have some respect for your wife Liz and adult children and take this s3it out of town like your buddy mike did.

July 23/19

Billy’s truth
will eventually come out. kill my business, force me out of town, laugh at me publicly and not take me serious. You think you control the one who can blow the lid off it. maybe. Keep up the charade but it’s too late, you forgot you handed me the evidence. look good in every photo, fool the voters. The growing chorus knows the truth. whispers will get louder. hold tight. from Vlad.

July 23/19

RE: Oakes
Wouldn't you think the DA Oakes would be more concerned about the prosecution of felons in his own county and getting them sentenced to incarceration than putting forth any effort to keep felons from other counties in prison?

He has an office of newbies who don't know enough that a Town Court's proceedings are open to the public and should be conducted publicly, yet allows the entering of a plea and the details of said plea to take place in chambers! His office can't seem to get a conviction for a misdemeanor that has anything to do with the crime the defendant was charged with - even when other's hand it to him on a silver platter requiring little effort on the part of his ADA's and yet he has time to write the parole board.

He must think it makes him look good for the election.

Check out the case of the Hannibal Dog Control Officer admitted to owning an injured dog, she couldn't say how he got injured, but she sure as hell didn't seek medical attention for him. To the DA's office, this add's up to Providing a False Statement to Police. If she is a really good girl and doesn't hurt any other dogs and vets the ones she still has, yes, she is still allowed to own animals - she can withdraw her plea and enter a plea to Disorderly Conduct - not Animal Abuse or Neglect! Now that's tough on crime!
Come on people - there must be someone who can challenge Oakes for this office.

July 23/19

Congratulations Billy?
Your soon to be nana and mom-in-law are pretty confident your getting ready to ask a very important question. Could there also be a little one in your future? Your life is about to change forever.

July 23/19

177 E. Second St.
Sunday a girl fight, probably Jaimie T and her skanky friends, word is she buys her sub at 177. Lock her up

July 23/19

HBO reveals shocking racism after North Country boy’s murder; DA Fitzpatrick responds
MO, Donald Dodd should be sanctioned all these years later for similar tactics he used to get the (false) conviction against Gary Thibodeau for the disappearance of Heidi Allen. “Don’t show to defense”. “The inmates received no “deal.” Lying, deceit. Wonder how much longer it will take until we find out he coached his witnesses to say things to sway the jury. I mean, like written proof or witnesses coming clean.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2019/07/hbo-reveals-shocking-racism-after-north-country-boys-murder-da-fitzpatrick-responds.html

July 23/19

Today's Quote July 22/2019

Every man's life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died

that distinguish one man from another.
Ernest Hemingway

United, Oswego landlord Doug Waterbury’s victims found their power: ‘We took him down’
https://www.syracuse.com/news/2019/07/united-oswego-landlord-doug-waterburys-victims-found-their-power-we-took-him-down.html

Oswego authorities lacked will to investigate landlord for sexual harassment
https://www.syracuse.com/opinion/2019/07/oswego-authorities-lacked-will-to-investigate-landlord-for-sexual-harassment-editorial.html

July 22/19

In 1985 or 86 I had a conversation with City Building Inspector Leslie Marlette. According to him Doug Warerbury narrowly missed getting charged with rape sometime after an incident that happened at 13 Liberty St. Marlette said the victim was adamant about filing charges but someone in the police department had convinced the girl not to follow through because it was her word against his and she would have to go through a public trial.

You can not tell me his wife and his brothers did not know what he was doing all those years. In my opinion any settlement that did not involve double digit jail time was too little too late.

The Ice Cream Man?
Tell me I did not see convicted killer and sex offender J.E. driving an ice cream truck in the city?? Well he did vote for Barlow

July 22/19

Basketball Court
The people using the basketball court were predominately black. That is why they were moved to the new location. How fitting they were named after a Dunsmoor since they are some of the biggest slave owners in the area.

July 22/19

City Owned Basketball Courts, Really?
Ask the city of Syracuse or ANY municipality in the entire country how that worked for them. Gang related crime; drug dealing, rape, people murdered over pick-up games. The basketball courts are an open invitation to criminals. While the entire rest of the country is closing/removing city owned courts our mayor saw an opportunity to scam us and disrespect the memory of his dead 'friend' at the same time. Must have been some kick-back.

July 22/19

88 E. 12th St
Meth lab.Repeat offenders.
Bath salts too

July 22/19

177 East 2nd Street
What happened?
Drug bust. Wish they would bust 177 E. second St.
I second that statement!!!! 8:00am this morning two girls screaming at each other and fighting outside. Lots of unrepeatable things being said. Whatever happened to a quiet Sunday Morning..... This place is an eyesore. Code enforcement was around last week and took pictures of all the crap on the front porch. Few days later the land lord was there looking at the crap so I assume he got a letter to clean it up. Guess what it is still there!!!! I will be selling my house in this neighborhood soon and I am already coming to terms that I will not be able to get probably half of what it's worth just because of the area. So sad but so long as I will be moving out of Oswego. It is a shame what this city has turned into.

July 22/19

Police
Oswego police department are all kids and they are afraid of everything. you boo they will run the other way

July 22/19

A perfect example
Mr Ramsey, what a perfect example of what our Sheriffs are all about, Now Hilton and everyone else in the department know of this fine Officers actions, however that BLUE WALL thing means they really have to support his actions he too knows to much. And how the public see's him really does'nt matter, they do not serve the public.

July 22/19

Today's Quote July 21/2019

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
Confucius

Scriba Town Supervisor Ramsey with chubby blonde Saturday night!
Rob Ramsey who is the chubby blonde you left Alex’s Restaurant holding hands with tonight? You literally walked right past us. It was not Liz, your wife. WTH. Holding hands even dude!

July 21/19

Flavors
Come celebrate the memory of Garrett Dunsmoor at Lake Elizabeth with live music
Lake Elizabeth
779 County Route 53
Oswego, NY 13126
Isn’t this the same place that our Scriba Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey took his girlfriends to engage in s3xual misconduct while Robs wife, slept aimlessly through the night?

“Dear Mr. Scriba Town Supervisor Rob Ramsey” ... were you or were you not on the clock with the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department under Sheriff Hilton’s watch as “Sheriff Road Patrol Deputy Rob Ramsey” as you engaged in your trysts at Lake Elizabeth coined the Dunsmore Brothel?

July 21/19

G-Man’s Memorial Fundraiser - are you kidding me? No ticket - No admittance
Barlow said Garrett Dunsmoor, a 22-year-old man who tragically lost his life last summer, embodied that purpose, adding it was “totally appropriate” to name the basketball court after Dunsmoor — “epitomizes everything he stands for.” Should this have said, "epitomizes everything he stood for.”

With all due respect, “G-Man”, Garrett Dunsmoor rarely, if EVER, as in NEVER played basketball at Breitbeck Park. “G-Man” Garrett was an avid Lacrosse player.

There have been several young deaths in Oswego County to which they did play basketball at Breitbeck Park. Why were the Courts not dedicated to any of them? What political agenda were you really going for Mayor Barlow in dedicating the Breitbeck Park Basketball Courts to Garrett Dunsmoor? Where is the relationship to this????
Furthermore the unveiling of the Breitbeck Park Basketball Courts as “ Garrett Dunsmoor Basketball Court” occurred just two days before the Dunsmoor Memorial Foundation held their Garrett Dunsmoor $40.00 per ticket Memorial Fundraiser. Is this a coincidence or used as a platform to capitalize on the $40.00 ($44.31) per ticket to get into the Garrett Dunsmoor Memorial Fundraiser? It definitely worked, the tickets are SOLD OUT!

FOUR hours left online to buy tickets yet it is closed to buy tickets! Bravo

“Any funds raised will support our mission to enrich the lives and invest in the future of youth in and around the Oswego Community despite their means.”
Many of us that knew, partied with, hung out with the “G-Man” Garrett Dunsmoor on a very personal basis wanted to attend his fundraiser. However $40.00 is a steep price for us poor college students living on a budget. Why was there an added $4.31 fee added to the $40.00 general admission price? What is the fee for??? This brought the total cost to attend Garrett’s Fundraiser to $44.31 per ticket. Was the Dunsmoor family banking on the change of 69 cents per person to be an additional “donation” perhaps??? -

$$ Cha-Ching $$

G-Man, we are with you in thought - the memories will be with us forever RIP Garrett
Signed,

The “real friends - the real poor friends” of “G-Man” Garrett Dunsmoor ~ RIP our brother

July 21/19

Stinson replies
I'm absolutely sure of my time. What happened before 0741 or somewhere else I can't explain.
I know the SOF is not all inclusive. I wish it was. Because I have questions too.

July 21/19

What happened?
Drug bust. Wish they would bust 177 E. second St.

July 21/19

Refineries Across America Could Create Catastrophic Acid Clouds. It Almost Happened In Philly.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d1d12bbe4b01b834730fb65

July 21/19

Today's Quote July 20/2019

Somehow politicians have become convinced that negative campaigning pays off in elections.
George McGovern

What Happened

88E 12th St. Oswego

Police with guns drawn surrounded the house.

Yards and yards of crime scene tape and all the windows broken out of the house.

July 20/19

Mr. Stinson
How can you possibly believe the last transaction made by Richard was at 7:42am when another disinterested witness heard and saw his van go west then back east between 7-7:30am?

These next few questions are not specifically for you but feel free to try to give a logical answer:

How can you possibly believe Richard could have been the one bear-hugging Heidi based on Bivens testimony? Sorry, I retract the question because there is no logical answer unless one where to have refreshed their recent memory of his ENTIRE trial testimony. Just so you know, some pages have been posted on this site that Gregory didn't put in his SOF.

How can the ADA/DA theory possibly be truthful considering there was no physical evidence to show the theory to be realistic, true or corroborated?

Care to explain how Sharon was not proven to be lying about Gary's alibi and Richard was found not guilty of kidnapping and presumably killing Heidi but Gary was-considering the public knowledge of the differences in the two trials?

No doubt that the ADA/DA's theory is correct? Or, maybe, you (not you per say) just believe every word that comes out of a law enforcement agents mouth even when those words have been proven PROVEN false?

Some of us are willing to fight to the end for the truth...For Heidi and for Gary.!. And I will keep posting and asking questions til the truth is realized. (That's for the ignorant people who think that the only reason someone would post about this case is they are involved or the 'killer'. Get a clue, ms. genius. You make me laugh with your outlandish theory. 'Fluff and drama'-worth it to Get The Truth. 'There is some truth behind every lie')

Keep on keeping on, supporters. Vaya con Dios

July 20/19

Thank You
I want to thank you to the person who found my purse in a cart at Wal-Mart thank you so much

July 20/19

Dear Melania
Pack your bags and get your ugly ass back to which ever Slavic country you came from and take your commie parents with you.

July 20/19

Murtaugh
He isn’t too smart for a business owner.

Here’s a history lesson for you, Murtaugh.

April 3, 1994-Heidi disappears

April 9, 1994-Richard cooperates with forensic testing of his van and giving DNA samples

April 28, 1994-During FBI surveillance, Richards van is seen being washed at a car wash

Between April 28, 1994 and May 25, 1994 when Richard, Gary and Sharon were arrested, Oswego Sheriff’s deputy confiscate a piece of carpeting from Richards van that was removed since the forensic testing on April 9, 1994. Read the trial testimony, dummy, Richard and/or Teresa were given a property receipt for the missing carpet that had CANINE DNA.

June 1994-Sheriff’s confiscate furnace from Gary’s property while he was in MA jail

July 1994-Gary is released from MA (where he was given time served…hard to justify TS for drug trafficking, NO?) Arrested for Heidi’s disappearance and his property was searched again, with the help of State police canine and grid searching. What did they find? NOTHING to link to Heidi. Also, what did they find? Look at the police photos that have been made public-a blue van and white trailer on the property. You can agree that the trailer wasn’t mobile? In what condition and how did you have to STEAL that blue van, Murtaugh? Flat tow, hooked from front, hooked from back, hot-wired and drove it out?

August 1994-Rog, Murtaugh, and still not clear whether a male or female, took the blue van from Gary’s property.

Damn, Jen, why did you have to go and be video-taped telling Pietroski what you did about the time around Heidi’s disappearance? Why did you have to go and tell so many lies In A Court Of Law? Were you a good little girl and performed during the Hearing as the Murtaugh’s instructed? Jen, the most interesting thing I found from your questioning was your claim of your parents living on Leavitt Road. Where was an army fold-up type shovel found? Not At Gary’s!!!

July 20/19

Bottom Line with Boris Epshteyn

I do so love hearing the republican bulshit that flows from Trumps Russian Communist Jewish friends.

Please Mr. Putin take him back.

July 20/19

Today's Quote July 19/2019

If we could just find out who's in charge, we could kill him.
George Carlin

let's not forget
let's not forget the young boy who stated, he saw a police man with black boots shoot Heidi.....and an forensics expert said he was telling the trut

July 19/19

A leading Holocaust historian just seriously compared the US to Nazi Germany
Topics, ranging from Trump’s “America First” foreign policy — a phrase most closely associated with a group of prewar American Nazi sympathizers — to the role of Fox News as a kind of privatized state propaganda office. But the most interesting part of his argument is the comparison between Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Paul von Hindenburg, the German leader who ultimately handed power over to Hitler.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/5/17940610/trump-hitler-history-historian

July 19/19

Stinson replies to sof
Stinson replies. I posted what I believe about the cash register on June 7-8. Whatever happened to Heidi, happened within seconds of her last transaction. Not 7:16. Not 7:30.

July 19/19

FBI Criminal Profiling 101
D'Oh! I forgot that the person who insinuates himself into the investigation with no apparent connection to the case seeking to steer the boat while keeping an ear open for any sign that they're on to him is the killer. Every time. Now if this criteria fits any of the narcissistic cast of self-serving sleuths being referenced here in these encyclopedic texts then you all know who the killer is. Simple
Homer J. Simpson

July 19/19

> Murtaugh comments:

> Well it's taking over 20 yrs an still don't know 100% I'd almost say it's the perfect crime ..
> Posted on Oswego County DA: James Steen is pathological liar, but not Heidi Allen's killer
> 10/22/2014 4:28 PM
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> Maybe there's a 3rd person jmo let's say he knew better or maybe looking at life an not just a month or two who knows
> Posted on Oswego County DA: James Steen is pathological liar, but not Heidi Allen's killer
> 10/22/2014 2:57 PM
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> you all going to hate me now but .... Back in day when roger & jay ( thumper ) where around jay was a great kid but his last few years free he got into that stuff you smoked / put up your nose um I think it's called bath salts .. He even burned down a trailer a yr or so before he killed Vicky turned bad an I mean real bad fast but ... Jmo though don't hate me too much .
> Posted on James 'Thumper' Steen described as a violent braggart capable of kidnapping Heidi Allen
> 10/5/2014 8:11 PM
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> Is there still a cash award up & if so how much is it .. What you got to do to receive it ty
> Posted on Judge in Heidi Allen case reverses decision, will allow DA to respond to wrongful conviction claim
> 9/19/2014 5:48 PM
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> As a matter of fact I do on my way to new haven now had a nice road trip to fernwood too wink emoticon
> Posted on Judge to prosecutor in Heidi Allen case: You missed chance to respond to wrongful conviction claim
> 9/18/2014 9:42 AM
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> Omg please no mistake we (3 of us) picked up two vans at gt house ... Me roger & a 3rd person picked up a dift van in fern wood I can't tell you where it was but I'm sure I can drive right to there like I did last week going to Gary's house ( that I had only been to twice before in the 90's
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:25 PM
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> It was a red house is all we can remember
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:17 PM
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> I'm sorry I don't I'd just be guessing but one of my helpers just asked me if I remember going to fern wood to get a white van at 1st didn't remember but after talking a bit I do now
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:08 PM
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> No in fern wood ( I think that's how you spell it
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 11:05 PM
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> Omg I don't know I just remember him coming to me wanting me to pick one up for him .. Never gave it much thought till tonight talking it over with my staff
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 10:55 PM
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> You all ready for this one ????? I do remember going with RB to fern wood to pick up a white van that he had to junk back around same time of the ha deal
> Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
> 9/14/2014 10:52 PM
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> Never said I didn't know Roger .. As far as the cascade goes no I haven't followed it until my name was brought into it. Never met MB or GT OR BL ....
> Posted on Roger Breckenridge prison interview: I had nothing to do with Heidi Allen's kidnapping (video)
> 9/10/2014 8:51 AM
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> Rich Murtaugh
> Sep 14, 2014
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> No that mb is way out there as soon as he said he knows I killed my 1st ( only) wife I knew he was off his meds ( by the way she lives in Syracuse ) lol
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> ImBarbie
> ImBarbie
> Sep 14, 2014
> @Rich Murtaugh Yes, he's out there but still a smart guy.
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> Rich Murtaugh
> Rich Murtaugh
> Sep 14, 2014
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> If he's so smart why he living in a camper with not a penny
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> ImBarbie
> ImBarbie
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> @Rich Murtaugh I know some really rich people...that live like paupers.
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> Rich Murtaugh
> Sep 14, 2014
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> Ur right I do too but only a few months of the yr though not yr round plus I was told he didn't have a thing ( I was going to sue him for the wife deal but can't get water from a stone I was told
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> My roll, I rolled a 7 beat that. Thats just parts of 2014, we have five years to go of Murtaghs comments because they are everywhere.

July 19/19

Today's Quote July 18/2019

Hatred, racism, and extremism have no place in this country.
Angela Merkel

Is Trump A Racist Or Are The Democrats Self Destructing Again!

The answer is Yes and Yes.

Democrats are pointing the finger and playing the racist card at the drop of a hat. They have worn it out to the point no one cares anymore. If Trump tells four congress women of color, Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley, and Tlaib, to go back the country they came from is that a racist statement? What if it were four congress men? What if they were white? Am I a racist if I wipe my ass with my left hand instead of my right maybe I should check twitter before I go any further. Telling someone to go back where they came from is not racist it is merely an attempt by a less than intelligent person to make a point or win an argument. Since three of the four women were born in the USA and the fourth has been a citizen longer than Trumps latest bimbo wife his statement only draws attention to his ignorance which I am sure is greater than any ignorance this country has ever seen before.

A year ago I called for the Democrats to replace Nancy Pelosi. Was I ever wrong on that one. Pelosi is the only one with her eye on the ball and the only one that can deal with that fat orange asshole some people call the president. However she does not fully get what this devious despot is up to. Trumps heroes are absolute rulers who murder their enemies. While he does not want to be seen in that light he is going full tilt to whip up the hatred of his supporters. He is accusing his enemies, currently Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley, and Tlaib of saying and doing unspeakable things to him, calling them" "a dangerous militant hard left" and all the time hoping someone among his racist followers will assassinate one or all of them. It is no longer hate speech. It is a deliberate and calculated effort to get someone killed.

Probably the only two books he has ever read were written by Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini because he is attempting to consolidate power and eliminate anyone who opposes him just as they did. I can not wait for the day when I see Trump and his family dragged through the streets and hung in public just like Mussolini. Surely it would be like nothing this country has ever seen before and that draft dogging short peckered son of a bitch will finally get the attention he deserves.

Looking like a parade
I do believe after watching repeated new people speak out publically. The idea it'll look like a parade is correct. You pissed off the public. That's not always a good thing.

July 18/19

Several ways to find the "Statement of Facts" (incomplete at that)
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243844202/Statement-of-Facts

http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/2015/10/statement-of-facts-da-greg-oakes.html

July 18/19

Google "Heidi Allen Statement of Facts" as well.
These "facts" are interesting. But more interesting is what was left out of Greg's "Statement". The rebuttal and surrebuttal witnesses weren't important to mention? Taking the jurors to see Richard's van After deputy witnesses had testified to no physical evidence in it and there were a multitude of photos shown to the jurists? What about the juror who was taken into chambers and asked if she told someone she had made a decision before ALL the evidence was presented? What about Bivens saying in court "I don't want to send an innocent man away." when pressed by the defense as to why he changed his drive-by time after the deputies told him what time they suspected Heidi went missing? What do you think, Mr. Stinson? DId LE pressure you about time? Also, how many minutes do you believe "the timeline" is off? 1, 2 10, 30, 40 something minutes wrong? Isn't an accurate timeline important? What about the bartender witness whose testimony was struck by the Appellate Division in 1999 but Greg still quoted that testimony in front of the NYS Appeals Board in 2017/2018? Why, exactly, was the testimony struck? Read the Decision and then find (online) what that testimony was. Actually, some has been posted on this site-pages right from the original trial transcript.

Statement of Facts? my fat toe. Partial, as most of this case is...Partial Facts, Partial Truth. Here's Whole Truth-No Justice for Heidi's family, the Thibodeau family OR THE COMMUNITY.

July 18/19

Trump is a Raciest.
He has demonstrated for years by his actions that he is a raciest and a white supremacist He has a new hat for his base of haters and it is called...MARA ( Make America Raciest Again).

July 18/19

Roll the Dice
Sal is online defending the likes of Murtagh claiming that if anyone posts, says or makes accusations against Murtagh and his part in the disposal of Allens remains or the van without direct proof is nothing short of defamation. I for one have yet to see anyone post anything accusing Murtagh of taking part in the disposal of Allens remains. Where Sal or even Murtagh got that idea from is beyond me, Sal may want to ask himself how he came up with that theory. What I have seen and experienced through others is that Murtagh is very defensive and often posts lie after lie about the Thibodeau family(defamation, slander), people Murtagh openly admitted on Sal's wall he did not know. I also see Murtagh sending threats across the internet to the Thibodeau family one, in particular, he would burn their home to the ground. I also am aware he has tampered with and threatened several witnesses and a film producer on line. I wonder if Sal knows exactly what he is getting in to because every move, every post coming from Murtagh has and will continue to be documented, seeing as Richard was acquitted of the charges, all the lies Murtagh claims online and accusing even Richard, is nothing less than defamation, threatening Richards family is assault and harassment, two can roll that same dice accept in the end, Murtagh could also face harassment, assault with the threats and tampering with every witness that came forward, on top of him harassing several people in public places. What he and Sal do not comprehend is not one person other than the suspects named Murtagh in an ounce of this case, not one of the suspects ever claimed he was ever involved in disposing of Allens remains. All the time's Murtagh names have been brought forth were from Officer Wheeler, Steen, Wescott and Bohrer. Never has anyone ever claimed Murtagh took part in the disposal, what they do know and can fact check Murtagh and Sal both on is the fact repeated people have named his junkyard as the point of entry for disposal of the van used to kidnap Heidi Allen. So, Sal, you want to push lets push and we will release every threat Murtagh ever tossed across the internet, including throwing in a few witnesses he actually made threatening telephone calls to. We will tie your hands so tight you won't be standing up for anyone when it is said and done. Once any judge sees the threats Murtagh will bury himself, and any case he feels he has for defamation can be countered with a lawsuit for his rants on the claims he makes against Richard and the threats of burning his home to the ground will do one thing, make the public see how much of a pathetic man Murtaghh truly is, his simple defamation lawsuit will turn in to arrests. It'll also show the public how crazy Sal is for the following suit, he hasn't watched Murtagh enough to know that Murtagh is tampering with witnesses and I am certain that charge will hold far more water than any defamation lawsuit he ever wants to threaten. You do not want to roll the dice Sal. WE do have all the threats and multiple witnesses, many, upon many posts from Murtagh your best bet is to inform your client to stop posting altogether, you may want to inform him he could also face multiple charges if push comes to shove. I can promise you on this side of the fence, all of Murtagh's lies are nothing less than defamation, harassment, tampering, assault. Roll the dice Sal, let's see which way it goes. In the end Sal he will bury your name even further as he is doing well enough burying his own.

July 18/19

Hey Greg. Hey jurors
This says it all. “No proof for this trial”
No physical evidence. No positive ID. Witnesses getting deals. Massaging of witnesses. Misconduct by the prosecution. Deputy lying before the Grand Jury. Inaccurate timeline presented by the prosecution at trial. Tainting public perception via false information to the media. Falsely using a Grand Jury to, before the witness even testified, taint an alibi witness….just what to expect from a corrupt system in Oswego to have some kind of closure. But really was it closure? It should have been if it were a fair and truthful trial.

“Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law”

Yes, Dodd, you did have to ‘prove’ this and prove that. Your case was based on speculation and a BS theory. Those jurors did such an INJUSTICE on that day by convicting the wrong guy. What say you, juror #13? Would you have a different opinion had you heard about other suspects/POI or about all the documents the prosecution failed to turn over to the Defense? Or were you taken in by the mob mentality of “We have to get someone.”?

This case is disgusting. Likewise, lacking moral character-those who know something and aren’t speaking up against this Injustice. Heidi’s life was worth the embarrassment. Gary’s life in prison was worth the embarrassment.

July 18/19

Blocked
Murtagh is online doing all he can to flag and block anyone who's fact checking him. What's the matter Murtagh you can't handle facts? He's attempting to silence anyone who even posts a document or facts to Garys case by reporting the person on facebook and flagging every comment he comes across LMAO..coward, here you can't silence anyone. There you can't either because they'll all just hop on to another account. No one but poor Sal has your back.

July 18/19

Today's Quote July 17/2019

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight.
Phyllis Diller

Peices of the puzzle/ Lanza posts a Parody
I was a student at SUNY Oswego. Originally came from Brooklyn New York. My father was an attorney. I've been interested in all things law enforcement, drugs, and deviance in all forms since childhood. I've worked all sides of the law. I have rubbed elbows with the low in high places, and I know the highest of the low.... I'm not in Oswego anymore.
One of my funniest sites that I've seen happened shortly before I left. I saw the Three Amigo's together (gosuck,Tatoo, boydine) but that's an aside, or perhaps not.
I always wonder why no one except me ties together the Woods, Allen, and New York Pizza cases together. Why is Oswego Police department never discussed?
Scotty's towing, that would be an interesting discussion.
Amanda hanging out with the owner.
I always refer to Scotty's tow truck as the snowmobile.
Since we're talking about funny business in the business world, the landlord tenant business would be great for money laundering, especially when most of the town is owned and run by the same people. The landlords are the police, the politicians, and public servants. Everyone wares many hats.
New York pizzeria fire is tide up with the drug trade.. somewhere along the line somebody was going into business on their own... Maybe royalties weren't paid to a larger organization, or money was taken that was supposed to be cleaned with pepperoni and chicken wings...
pathefinder bank... Perhaps I should be careful with this one....the guys wife bakes really good, at first I was surprised he was mixed up but then I concluded he realized he was in too deep too late.... It's hard to speak up for what's right when your wife runs a business and you hold such a key position, besides a banker here you know what follow the money means.
Sal, is that you posting? Or is it a Parody? The sad part is also the funny part: I think it really is you..if anything you are the most sophisticated of the unsophisticated.... You've demonstrated yourself to be an ignorant small town attorney....
Sal you know me, we spoke on the phone, My two stepsons are the tasmanian devils, one of which you represented, that's how I know how you accept payment. Bitter pill is the truth....
Here is a piece of the puzzle: you may physically have to go down to the library and look for a local newspaper article about Ronal Eliason LSD arrest Onondaga hall...Ron is dead... Supposedly he died of a heat stroke in md more than 10 years ago... When we lived off-campus together on East 4th Street near shaperio paper, we had two interesting guests very frequently, both police officers, one in the future would be charged with rape that was handled in civil court somehow, and the other became a mayor
I had fun living off campus, Ron was there for the summer, but during the school year lived in the dorms... The actual big LSD bust happened happened on campus.. I think they waited so they could do it there so that would be less involved with the city.... I was a drug runner but I didn't know it. I just thought we were going for an ounce or two of pot... Years later I realize that the two book bags were flat on way to Rochester and on way back full... I think they were not full of onions....
Here later I was joking myself that I didn't realize I was working for dumbsmoore farms onion transportation...
I mean it anybody over the head with it but there's a lot of clues here some very obvious especially for people in the know..
I make really good pizza, but I'm also a good listener.
When I work for a domestic violence shelter one of the sheriff's deputies was they're on official business. Before he left he was joking around with a couple of female counselors. He took his gun out I practically Force the councelor to hold it in her hands.... Now that's a creepy piece of the puzzle.
Task force that busted Ron, I'm kind of hoping that there was one guy on the raid that found out that Ron was connected to the players in Oswego. Ron sold mostly marijuana some lsd, I don't know about the coke but I know he snorted it, because I free base with him a few times..tie in ron to the cops and the landlords.
Two the Oswego sheriff's department detective came to talk to me smudge, and bald thin italian guy.... They kept on trying to get me in the back of the car so we can talk because it was so cold outside.
deviance is a hobby of mine, never get into the back seat voluntarily because your chances of survival decrease if you're taken to a second location..... I honestly think my life is in danger. I don't care. I don't know what Tanya knows. But I know some stuff that Tanya doesn't know. And so on down the line. We all hold pieces the puzzle, some know it some don't.... If I think really hard I know I have more pieces of the puzzle. Everyone knows nobody wants the tree cases solved, much less linked together.
I close with a trivia question: how long did the authorities know exactly where Carol's car was?
I also ask where do the police fill out the paperwork while in fulton, perhaps a quiet spot with a nice view of the river would be a good spot.

July 17/19

Bizarre
https://www.syracuse.com/news/2015/01/michael_bohrer_self-appointed_

heidi_allen_investigator_moved_to_be_next_to_thibo.html

July 17/19

Heidi Allen & the OCSD
Why didn't Pietroski arrest or hold JW after he listened to the taped call and he KNEW she was lying ( even admitted to it later ) and they still did not pressure her for more answers.

Why did Ruel Todd say that Pietroski did a very good interrogation. Four hours and they couldn't break her? Must be she's head and shoulders smarter than they are. If they didn't cover up/protect her than they really showed how lost and inept they are. I thought this was going to be easy.

Why did Pietroski take JW phone? What was done with it? Erased texts? Not a word about it.

How could anyone listen to that taped phone call and say it was not credible? Isn't it funny that Oakes told Tonya that and then King said the same thing.
All she said on that is very close to , if not the entire truth.

Hell, she said she didn't know any of the "3" but lived with Roger and these clowns couldn't even take that and run with it to use against her.
**********************unless they didn't want to. Which I think is the truth. So much ignored and hidden from Lisa and RT's lawyer. Why, why would you hide evidence that may help a defendant unless you were involved or knew who was and didn't want to open a box of worms.

" you're not in trouble, you're going to leave here by yourself". Of course she's in trouble, she knew they were going to kill her and didn't call the police to try and stop it.

How much evidence can you turn your back on, hide and ignore and not draw suspicion to the OCSD.

You don't think we know...oh yeah we know. The FBI knows, the guy in the court room knows and I'm sure there are a lot of people that know.

Maybe someone will step up and tell the truth.

Didn't a Deputy get caught lying to the Grand Jury? What was done about that? Were some of the judges involved with the coke selling in as helping them if they went to court? Seems like it doesn't it.

Too bad Tony didn't have a tape recorder on her when they interrogated her.

This has a lot of players in it and it is not going away. 2019 and we now know more than we did in 2014.

Sleep good because it could happen any day now!

July 17/19

Heidi Allen
If someone has the link to Oakes': Statement Of Facts please post the link. Got a new computer and can't seem to find it...???

July 17/19

There will never be Justice!
That's right no TIC TOC and all have gone free except the innocent, the big cheese and the rat pack are all in their 70's and have gotten away with murder. The F.B.I saw this mess and rubber stamped a cover up, It would never be in the public's best interest to know what this group has done and gotten away with. And the only people paying any price is our new Sheriffs Department. They are seen as a gang!, how hard to teach our children that we have both good cops and bad cops in our county. Our children and grand children are taught that just like in cowboys days, the bad one's still wear black hats, we all fear being pulled over by a Sheriff who has been trained to be above our laws and yet enforce law on us. I still state that I will not pull over for a Sheriff, I'll run all the way to a location were a trusted police agency is.

July 17/19

177 E. Second St.
When no one is being arrested it is because they are snitches.........confidential informants. They rat out their “friends” so they aren’t arrested, no honor among thieves. Just sayin’

July 17/19

Rep. Ilhan Omar Has Been A U.S. Citizen Longer Than Melania Trump
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2cfd80e4b0a5833c5d8a31

July 17/19

Points system at Oswego Speedway is determined by the owners
How could the fastest time trialer start the pole in the feature last week. I think every fan should be given a printout of the ever changing rules at the Speedway. The only track I know of that makes their own rules and changes them on the fly. They stack the deck for the car's they want up front. No matter their time trial or heat finish. There is no over site. I here people complain how the track is run. Not many people in the stands last week. That speaks for itself. They are trying to increase the number of fans but they are losing the battle.

July 17/1

177 East 2nd Street
I guess being lookouts is better than them doing or selling drugs. Although I am sure that's not far away. I am amazed at how many people actually go in and out of that house. Seems like 20-30 different faces every day and not the same ones day in and day out. I bet I have seen over 100 different people in that last 2 weeks and I am NOT exaggerating. It is crazy the amount of different people!!!! As for the Meth busts, I would venture a guess that has slowed down because of the Molly/Herion that has taken over. It's all over the city too. I took a walk along the river the other day around 6:00pm. I honestly didn't feel safe walking by the large groups of sketchy people. It is not a place to be after hours that is for sure.

July 17/19

What a joke
Richard Murtagh the more you post the guiltier you look. Online posting your name never came in to this until mid 2000s, such a bullshitter. Officer Wheeler wrote a statement in regards to Murtagh and his name coming up in 94 because Murtagh stole a van off Gary Thibodeau property without his concent. Wheeler then made his was to Crosby Hill. Murtagh you wouldn't know the truth if someone slapped you with your own 8 ball. What a pos he is. He also claims he never spoke to cny reporters and if he did they twisted his words. Fake news right Murtagh. You are one sick human being. On top of the fact you stole Gary's van that was on his property with no wheels or transmission when he bought the property. Gary was furious and wanted to press charges on anyone stealing off his property. So this idea Murtagh you may have taken the van Gary used is a lie lmao. One they searched his property when he was arrested, toom his wood stove that van was ruled out, two if you disposed of the van you claim he used I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been looking to press charges on you. Instead been relieved. That entire story about stealing Gary's van was a ploy to cover your asses for when you moved the real van off Valley Road. Keep talking Murtagh. The public will keep burying you. You deserve nothing less. Seek Mental help Murtagh you need it.

July 17/19

Today's Quote July 16/2019

I would rather be uncomfortable with the truth than to be lied to in comfort.

That's just my nature.

Jesse Ventura

Speedway
Harry kept the place up. When he was gone the maintenance ended.

July 16/19

177 E Second St
The ones on the porch are lookouts. When DeCare was first on the job he was making meth bust once a week now you never hear anything. Did everyone stop using and making meth or is the chief giving out free passes like Dehm was. It’s for sure no one is afraid of getting caught.

July 16/19

Watch "Ocasio-Cortez Exposes Evidence on Trump's Dirty LIES with BRILLIANT speech" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/oL98mAmTRTw

July 16/19

RE Lanza defending Pagano and not Ciezeski and Sugar.
The answer is you can defend lazy but you can’t defend stupid.

July 16/19

Today's Quote July 15/2019

Truth is the glue that holds government together.
Gerald R. Ford

Dodd and the way out of anything:
When you stated to Matt M. that all the files were available did you mean that the defense has to find them as opposed to your office giving the defense all the info in a case?

All available is an excuse to make it look like the defense didn't do their job and go after the info you are supposed to hand over.

Just who the ph**k do you think you're kidding?

Well actually no one. The only reason you didn't get caught is because you and the OCSD and possibly others did all they could to make GT look guilty.

What was that oath you took?
If they do investigate this case, there are going to be so many witnesses it'll look like a parade....then you are all screwed!

July 14-15/19

How the Florida Legislature used a parking rule to supress voting - News - Daytona Beach News-Journal Online
https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20190713/lane-how-florida-legislature-used-parking-rule-to-supress-voting

July 14-15/19

Reply to Dodd about GT's confession:
https://oswegocountytoday.com/allen-thibodeau-families-react-to-heidi-allen-case...

Mr. Baldasaro, one of the inmates, stated to a news reporter that he did not testify to Gary telling him he abducted Heidi which is confirmed by reading the entire original trial transcript and not just the biased summary of Oakes’ Statement of Facts and annexed Exhibits.

July 14-15/19

Heidi Allen case
Bivens told the OCSD that he saw two guys take HA.

One he described as having white air and in Matt M. doc he said one looked older.
Now seeing that GT was 36 then and all the other players "The 3 " we about that age, who was the older guy? Bivens said he had white hair. Was he massaged into saying this by the OCSD?
Is this all getting closer to the truth?

Keep searching because with the info Matt found and Dodd didn't turn over the rains may start coming.

tic toc!

July 14-15/19

177 East 2nd Street
Despite all the drug dealers and Molly walkers in and out of this house there has been no response from the Slum Lords Tom and Fred.. The police are now making routine patrols but it hasn't really change anything. Now a new and very serious and concerning development has started at the house. For the last few days I have witnessed 6-8 Young kids probably 12-15 years old hanging out on the porch of 177 East 2nd. They are hanging out smoking cigarettes and every now and then they say something smart ass to people walking by. Just a matter of time before they start selling the drugs or worse yet start taking them......

July 14-15/19

greeting to you Sir
I am sorry for this interruption. I have no other way to reach you than these ways if the contents here under are contrary to your moral ethics. Please accept my apology, but please treat with absolute secrecy and personal.

With due regards, my name is Sokg . the business manager of auditing and accounting department of a Bank in South East Asia .

There is a draft account opened in my bank in 1998 by a long-time client of our bank. a national of your country. he was a CEO/a textile company owner. business man. a miner at Kruger mining company in Cambodia. he was also a geologist and a mining consultant to several other mining conglomerates operating in China and Taiwan. Japan. Indonesia. Pakistan. Vietnam all in Asia.

Before he passed away on the November 16th 2004 by car accident with his wife and two children along Cambodia Vietnam road. leaving nobody as the representative of his account after his death. I want to present you as the representative I will use my position and influence in our bank to make sure they release this money to you for us to share. Kindly get back to me for more details.

Best regard
Sokg Maon

July 14-15/19

Today's Quote July 13/2019

I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life,

and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.
Henry David Thoreau

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

Looking again at Matt's doc. I started to really pay attention to all the taped calls....AND WHY NONE OF THIS IFO WAS NEVER USED!

First i'd like to know how the OCSD inv. knew that JW phone called Tonya the night before the Deputy's taping with Tonya.
They had to have JW phone taped. If so , why didn't they release what was said, how long was the phone call and tel us that they collaborated with the two girls.
Jenn said that her son pushed the wrong button...did they ask her son about it? After this is the reason they said the call couldn't be used. REMEMBER they said that Jenn and Tonya may have discussed what they would be saying in the real taped call the OCSD inv set up.

WRONG! If they knew because of a taped call, they would know what was said.
I don't believe JW's son pushed the wrong button on her phone. I believe that the OCSD had someone call JW and tell her to call Tonya so the OCSD inv. could discredit Tonya and her info. After the call, Oakes told Tonya that the call is not credible and used the fact that JW & Tonya talked the night before. They also, to take Tonya out of the picture refused to have take a poly which Tonya asked for.

***** Hello OCSD am I getting close?

Also JW put herself in the middle of this crime by telling Tonya all she knew about a white van, 3 guys bringing HA to her house and leaving her in the van...probably already dead.

Then JW gets called for an interview and Pietroski proved that she was lying and LET HER GO....Sal still think this wasn't a cover up?

ALL THE TAPED PHONE CALLS:

JW with Tonya all this info ignored by the OCSD....again!

Roger's wife telling on the phone that the OCSD taped that there was blood in the back seat and we need to get the van to Canada.

JW taped saying the Thibodeaus did not do it and that GT & RT were not at my house. And later said she was at her Mom's house?????

OTHER INFO:

Dodd why wasn't there a green mark on the paper that you wrote..not copied for the defense but said it was all available to the defense but they never saw it. Being available is a sleight of words to help you slip out of the fact that you didn't want this copied and given to the defense.

Also at the bottom there was written that you were going to ask the judge....couldn't make out the rest.

Was the paper that was dated Friday found on the floor at the store at the time of the crime finger printed?

Jenn was never interrogated after she failed a poly.

Now listening and reading all these clues, hints and confessions by these people didn't lead you to a new investigation?
You must be ph*****g kidding me Dodd. How much do you need? How much did the OCSD need to convince them that others were involved?

Or didn't you want to use this info because some cops and the "3" would have been found guilty.

There was enough for Oakes and OCSD to look at others, confessions on the phone, evidence of the van by Roger's wife.

COVER UP!

DON'T YOU TAPE CALLS TO GET INFO TO INDITE SOMEONE? WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU?

YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY EXPLAIN THIS TO THE SATISFACTORY OF ANYONE.....SO YOU HID IT, SET IT UP LIKE THE JW CALL WAS NOT CREDIBLE, MADE TONYA LOOK NOT CREDIBLE AND SHE EVEN ASKED FOR A POLY WHICH OAKES REFUSED TO GIVE HER. BUT EARLY IN 2014 INV. OAKES TOLD TONYA THEY ONLY GIVE POLYGRAPHS TO PEOPLE THEY DON'T BELIEVE.

BUT GAVE ONE TO JW WHICH SHE FAILED AND THEN WALKED AWAY.

DODD, OAKES TODD, OCSD & ADAS YOU CALL THIS AN INVESTIGATION WITH INTEGRITY?

YOU BETTER HOPE LISA DOESN'T GET THE FBI OR NYS COMMITTEE ON FALSE CONVICTION TO INV. THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE GONE AND YOU GUYS KNOW IT.

DODD YOU SET UP AN INNOCENT MAN TO GET IT OVER WITH SO NO ONE WOULD FIND OUT WHO WAS SELLING COKE, WHO KILLED HA AND WHICH DEPUTIES HELPED COVER THIS UP.

I HOPE THEY GO AFTER JUDGE KING TOO.

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC

July 13/19

Today's Quote July 11-12/2019

I can't change the direction of the wind, but I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination.
Jimmy Dean

Wescott vs God
Wescott believes she is blessed. Lol blessed by God. Lol she might be lucky but she sure is hell is not blessed. God doesn't support murder. When he started to support people like you Wescott let us all know. You've been protected thanks to Sal and the pos DA, once they are all gone Wescott what happens to you? Being protected by corrupt officials is not God lol that's just pure luck. It's called shit luck. You have very few mow in your life. You don't know who is who. In the end we will make sure all you have left is a prison buddy. Because here's a promise Wescott. There are others making their rounds. It's not the Sheriffs.

July 11-12/19

Lanza Defending Joe Pagano
I saw Sal going out of his way to defend Pagano but he had nothing say in defense of Ciezeski or Sugar.
You really are at the bottom when Sal Lanza can’t come up with a good word for you.

July 11-12/19

Shouldn't this be titled Swimming With Boys?

July 11-12/19

hey-trump

Today's Quote July 10/2019

People only see what they are prepared to see.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Lanza
“ does negative advertising work???? Should a candidate throw mud at his opponent and do you approve of it?”
Lanza and his goomba Benedetto conducted an anonomous smear campaign against Coleman.
Benedetto couldn’t bear losing a third time and his partner in slime Lanza figures he can somehow curry favor with a few republicans to use down the road.

July 10/19

Isn’t It true!
Isn’t it true you left the Trailriders after some of the clubs funds came up missing?
Say it isn’t so!

July 10/19

Proof that" all in all he's just another brick in the wall"
Has our top cop ever mentioned he would look into the Heidi Allen case, even while running for this job-NO. has he ever even mentioned the case to the public-NO. Did he refuse comment and to be interviewed by Mat- Yes. So again he can not,and will not make any public comment on this case, and the F.B.I your hoping for great things from, they have done their job! Now it's your turn to show some proof. What has he done, just as he was told OBEY!!!!!!!!! so all in all he's just another brick in the WALL.

July 10/19

Re: Sleezy Sal
**sometimes I spell thinks wrong on purpose**

What a whiny ass cry baby!! 'Oh, the editor reads comments...' blah blah before posting. Guess what, baby, not all of my comments are posted EVERY time. I don't whine and cry about it. Could be not posted because of being too crass or threatening. Maybe the comment was simply overlooked. Or, maybe, the editor has a personal vendetta against you. So many possibilities. Which is correct? The point is that you are a whiny ass baby complaining about it.

Oh, I see how it is. Just because someone hasn't told you something before means it didn't happen? OK, mr. genius lawyer. What facts or corroboration did the witness offer? Well, for one, he wasn't the only one or two or three that heard Steen talking about Heidi and her disappearance. Hindsight is 20/20, mr. genius. Sometimes information comes together at a later time. That's called an EPIPHANY. Look it up, dude. Speaking of epiphany, what did Bohrer say about an 'epiphany'? That Gary didn't do it. Notice I didn't put quotes. This gives you the opportunity to research EXACTLY what he said for yourself. If you need some help finding his statement, I can/will post it for you.

Boring? I don't find this site 'boring'. It also can be informative. Where else can we learn about the BS that goes on in Oswego that mainstream media can't or won't report? I suppose Facebook can be good for that, if you have the right "friends".

So which is it, psychic? Am I college educated or comment on this site all the time and should go to the basement? Both? Am I a man or woman? What difference does it make anyhow? If I say, "My truck is bigger than yours." what does that tell you about me? If I say I can hunt, like fishing, car races, word and number puzzles and will fight for what I believe in, what does that say about me or who I am? You said you "know" who the commenter is. Appears that you don't really because you are still phishing. How about this for a novel idea? There are more than one, two, or three intelligent people who comment and post here and think you are a sleezy lawyer. AND you are making that more apparent every time your comments are posted.

I'd like to try my psychic abilities on you.....Which Murtaugh female is posting using your name? Is it the one who can't fight her own battles alone..because she would lose in one-on-one combat, so to speak? Nah, I think it really is Salvatore Lanza because he is.....a sleezy lawyer.

Geez, I'm surprised you haven't chimed in before now. You've been talked about regarding representing Richard several times over the past several years. So tell us from your own mouth, was Richard and/or Gary's photos shown to witnesses before their arrests on May 25, 1994? I'm curious of your answer because I already know what the correct answer is!
Great Move Kicking Lanza To The curb
I wonder if he is still shagging that blond woman at the county clerks office. Heard she retired so Sal would have to have a new excuse to hook up.

Are you a Christian, sir?

Have you had your 15 minutes of fame, yet? I think you should keep opening your trap. At the very least, it is entertaining. But, if 'THEY' tell you to stop talking publicly, you should obey your master even though The Government has granted each and every one of us Freedom of Speech. But, I guess that rule changes when you are also bound by ethical and legal standards.? EX: slander or libelous- calling someone guilty who was found by a jury of their peers to be INNOCENT.

How far back have you actually read comments on this site? As a lawyer, being unbiased about your personal connections, what do you think about that which has been posted about Gary and Richard vs their connection to Heidi's disappearance?

In conclusion, thank you for chiming in about the Heidi Allen disappearance. I am overjoyed that you, or someone using your name, is inspired to publicly comment. Even if it is lies, because truth often can be determined among lies. I look forward to the times Murtaugh grows his set (or is it beer balls) to say something about the case. Now that's someone I would love to have a conversation with. Unfortunately, he can't back up his words even if what he says is true. Also, I dare you to get approval from Richard Thibodeau and make your file/notes of his representation public or give it to him!! You do still have them archived somewhere?

P.S. I will entertain other discussions in another post. Also, I want to apologize to anyone who has been retaliated against, regarding Gary/and or Heidi, because someone 'thought' these multitude of comments and legal postings about that issue was them.

BRAVO to the family of Tammy Mahoney for fighting for Justice for their loved one and the attention they bring to other missing people. No One's life deserves to be taken! Whether a CI, drug addict, innocent child, wife, husband, brother, sister, mother, father, other family member, professional, laborer or homemaker!

God Bless you all.!.

July 10/19

Reply to Sal...
All of this GT and HA commentary....it's done. What don't you understand? Why don't you understand? It's been brought to Court and appealed. You lost. A cover-up? What next...9 11 never happened?

You don't understand that a lot of people think some OCSD and the "3" were in it together. Look at all the signs and clues about JW giving them info, Roger's wife on a taped call, JW taped call etc.

How can you possibly NOT think there was a cover up?

They had enough info to go after other people but didn't..so obvious.

July 10/19

Better check out Oswego Speedway
I don't think this beam is holding too much look around. Light hit from limited super modified hit the front grandstand wall. Started the stands rocking. Look up look down but be sure to look all around.

July 7-9/19

Psycho Sally
Thank you so much for putting an end to the lies, and insane rants. The site will be even better for it. It would have been funny to watch the election process unfold though.lol

July 10/19

Re: Farnham
To the poster. Most of the clients at Farnham are court mandated to attend. They have to go wherever there's room. They don't have a choice where that is. Most of the clients also suffer from various mental health issues. Not everyone can afford to send their siblings out of town to a private rehab simply because they are ashamed and embarrassed by them.If you're who I think you are then you know exactly what I'm saying.My questions to you are: How'd your brother(s?) do in rehab and do you guys do "lead work"?I have a '49 Hudson that needs a little work and I don't pay for Bondo.
-the guy with the '49 Hudson-

July 10/19

Terrific Guys
I've always believed in, respected and defended the idea that everyone has a right to their opinion, but a couple of weeks ago, a good friend's daughter set new limits on my liberal thoughts on how much respect drumpkins deserve.
She has always been a pretty sharp young lady and as she progressed though college, I honestly believed that her thought processes had developed along an at least logical, thusly acceptable line as opposed to a cultist brain sink-hole.
We spoke a while and sure enough, she had been drumpified. Soooooo I mentioned a well known, proven fact about her orange skinned hero and her immediate response was a shouted, "FAKE NEWS!" Well needless to say THAT conversation came to an abrupt end. Within the next few days I made a point of seeing her at a social gathering and said in no uncertain terms that I had always given everyone their air, the right to their feelings, opinions, religion, political ilk, etc. but in her case I'd decided that rather than admit a simple proven fact and yelling "FAKE NEWS!" when something didn't jive w/ whatever she didn't want to hear and/or believe, she just spouted that brain-dead refrain and that in fact now she had degenerated into the realm of fucking morons! She actually was appalled when I called HER a fucking moron.
The point of this l'il rant is to preface the fact that my following notes, ALL proven & recorded facts and statements WILL be shrugged off by the drumpite morons as "FAKE NEWS".

----Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants. Mr.(choke) Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women.(Jesus H Christ! they were freaking kids) Trump said on the Howard Stern show that he was “allowed”, as the owner of the pageant, to go backstage while the contestants were getting dressed. OH YEAH...some of these 'contestants' were 14 and 15 years old, freshmen and sophomores in high school. Hey daddy and grandpa trumpkins... IS THAT "FAKE NEWS!". How would YOU feel if that was YOUR little girl or grand daughter?
Drumphs own words... “You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK?" I'd ask, "And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”
One of the girls said, “He just came strolling right in. There was not a second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”---
The picture is of that creep drumpf and his then pal Jeffrey Epstein. He now says that although he knew him, he didn't agree with him. BUT!!!!!!!
In 2002 he said, and this was a quote, before he had coined the term "FAKE NEWS"
“‘I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.’ - Donald Trump, 2002”. The quote is from a 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein.
I'm sure the orange idiot thought the "younger side" was a good idea.
He's a creep!

39 Years
Lanza claims to have been married 39 years to the same woman but when he says it it sounds like a life sentence.

July 10/19

Today's Quote July 7-9/2019

Sports do not build character. They reveal it.
Heywood Broun

Coward/SAL
“Look at it subjectively and not objectively”. I believe you meant that to be the other way around; look up the meanings. However, maybe not. –

S. Sotomayor

July 7-9/19

What's in a name?
Once upon a time a local Lawyer in his circle of Good Ole Boys, found that our D.A and the local gang known as Oswego County Sheriffs have had great concern with information being submitted by someone here, these postings are from someone with an inside track to this club. This information is touching way to close to home, when Mr. Wonderful Lawyer man began posting here it was to loosen some information, how? ONLY COWARDS SUBMIT WITH NO NAME, nice try Sallieboy, but as I said your a blind Lawyer and not yet quite that good. The early Oswegonylion polls show your already behind and there's no else running! The Good ole boys need a name, they have checked everyone they thought it could be or did they?

July 7-9/19

177 East 2nd Street
This morning around 8:45 I heard a commotion and saw two individuals in a verbal/physical confrontation. One of the guys was driving a truck and another from 177 East 2nd Street was screaming at him. The guy gets out of the truck to confront the Mollie Walker who of course talks shit but won't do anything. He takes a picture of the license plate then scurries away to avoid getting his ass kicked as he is alone. When the truck leaves he then calls his buddies and starts bragging how he is gonna break this guys jaw blah blah blah. Wonder why he didn't when he had the chance??? So I start wondering why Fred and Tom (slumlords) have done nothing to correct a growing problem. I sign onto the real property tax website to do a little snooping. I look up all their other properties. It becomes so much clearer now that I am able to actually see all the other SH*T HOLES they own. It's no wonder they don't care about 177 East 2nd Street because I would assume by the looks of their other properties it is just the same old same old at all of them. They are making a killing off of HUD and MOLLY HOUSING!!!! This city will not clean up until the Slumlords are held accountable for the trash they rent to. I thought there was a law stating how many non related people can share an apartment. There are at least 20-30 bedding down in 1 apartment at 177 east 2nd street....... I do want to give a big SHOUT OUT to OPD who have made their presence known. They are up and down the street all day. Unfortunately it hasn't helped a whole lot. Same guy who was scared to fight this morning was also up and down the street taking pictures of neighbors houses and cars. Time for more security cameras to be installed today I guess.

July 7-9/19

Sallieboy
My can't social media be brutal, I think you had better luck with your CB radio! Just because your allowed to play on both sides of the fence that you'll always be accepted there. These people here are not your regular red necks or as dumb as you think!

July 7-9/19

RE. the van.
Yept that's what I would do to. Rent a spot at harbor flop and display the van. Even at at a buck a head to look inside it you could make a killing! People would be lined up across the bridge just to look inside it. I would also have Richard there wearing a tee shirt that had just call me lucky on the front of it.

July 7-9/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After all the lies and actions that make me believe this was a cover up remember this:

R. Todd..Sheriff: " back in those days we didn't have a system for Confidential Informants." Or something to this affect.

Really! Then why is there a card with Heidi Allen, Julie Roberts and contact info etc? Was it made to be dropped and found to get the word out about HA maybe turning in some "big" people? And the fact that one Deputy said he was in charge of the CI program ( the same one Todd said didn't exist ) and he personally signed Heidi Allen into the CI program.

This has so many holes, mistakes and stupid actions by the OCSD that I can't help but to believe some are guilty.

Thank you Judge King for letting me off the stand when I was nervous and/or upset.. Is this a reason to let a witness off from a trial?
...and was Lisa given an opportunity to call MB again?

10 witnesses all unreliable..lol.

NO WITNESS AND GT WAS FOUND GUILTY.

I CAN THINK OF 20 REASONS GT WAS INNOCENT AND NOT 1 THAT PROVES HE WAS GUILTY!

July 7-9/19

Buddy Broadwell and his Captain's Club
Buddy you really need to take a closer look at the Captain's Club, it's gone way downhill. Here are some reasons why :

-the manger and the workers do not do their job

-the club is filthy

-75% of the members do not log in

-anyone who has ever worked there gets in for free

-member guest passes are used everyday for the same people so why get a membership ?

-guest passes and waivers are rarely recorded

-people bring in boom boxes to play their own music loud without any respect to who else is in the gym

-same music consists of f-bombs and the "n" word

-people are working out without shirts on and getting on the equipment, then they never wipe down the equipment (that's a health hazard)

-the steam room and sauna smell like urine from people pissing in there

-the locker rooms are always filthy and smell because everyone is allowed to just walk in there and make a mess

-people throwing the weights on the floor (Buddy your carpets are all torn up because of this and the dumbbells were being broken)

Buddy you should be embarrassed about what goes on at the health club, your workers sit on their fat asses and do nothing because they're afraid and lazy. If they would stop letting all their buddies in for free you wouldn't have to raise the membership prices. Most of the equipment has been there since you opened the hotel and the hot tub, sauna, steam room and pool are always broken. You can tell your wife to stop with new uniforms for the workers, it's like putting lip stick on a pig. It's still a pig, not a pleasant first impression when you visit the club. I hope this really lights a fire under your ass to do something about the health club.

If you ever want to discuss these issues make yourself available or leave your cell number at the desk so members can contact you directly

July 7-9/19

Trump makes series of false claims in two-day New York tweetstorm
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/politics/fact-check-trump-false-new-york-tweetstorm/index.html

July 7-9/19

This company city hiring monday night for some job.
https://www.google.com/search?q=c%26s+companies+central+ny&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#lkt=LocalPoiReviews&trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:nav,rc_ludocids:10014763605973320152,

rc_q:C%2526S%2520Companies,ru_q:C%2526S%2520Companies

July 7-9/19

O'h Sal
This is the issue with you. You kiss ass where ever it's convenient politically for you. You do not have the gutts to run for DA because then you'll have to butt heads with the Republican party. You do not have the balls to take on the Gary Thibodeau case and at this point its best with your friendship with Murtagh you are never near it. As far as your stupidity on your Facebook with running your mouth along with Murtagh about Gary and couldn't pin point the lies he spewed on your wall and you went along with it. Yes you looked like an idiot. Do us a favor don't run for DA, that county needs someone who doesn't OBEY, who isn't afraid of who's political toes they step on. We don't need an ass kisser, fence walker...just stop. Did you look like a fool. Yes you did because you walked right in to the lies fed to you. Yet, you still believe Murtagh had nothing to do with Heidi Allen. Lmao if he lies that bad openly on your Facebook imagine what he's lied about to the Sheriffs. Smh..grow up Sal, stop being a fence walker, grow some balls, figure out which side you are really on

July 7-9/19

Blue wall poster
Here's the key with you. You can make up all you wish about the FBI, claim Hilton's to obey. Until you post proof should anyone believe a word you say. Post proof or stop with your fantasies.

July 7-9/19

Dodd, Todd, good ol boys
Would it not have been smarter to leave Heidi's case a cold case? Instead of this assinin made up ludicrous lies you spewed on the Thibodeau family. To cover up for incompetence of a few shit ass officers? You wonder why the public's ripping you apart. They will continue to. Now the right and moral thing to do is to exonerate and clear Gary's name until you can do a proper investigation. Who's gonna sue you, no one, Gary's gone and so is his wife. Exonerate Gary dead or alive. Leave the Allen case open in hopes she can some day have real justice. That's too easy, the moral road none of you seem to walk on, you never have and you never will. But there is a pretty place in hell for all of you that roads laid out and has been the day you sent an innocent man to prison for your corrupt asses. That's where you belong.

July 7-9/19

I applaud you
Tammy Mahoney family. Standing ovation. Big time, powerful, moving and motivated. They do not care which political persons career is on the line, they are out for the truth. Their face book alone is true to Tammy. Everything is pushing for truth for not only Tammy but they are noticing the many missing people in the upstate area. They have spread information about so many families. They are bringing attention very quickly to their case and hoping to bring awareness for the other families with missing loved ones. The family wants the real suspects in custody, they want the real perpetrators and only them. Very brave and brilliant on how they are tackling Tammys case, all they are doing is being honest. But it's working.

July 7-9/19

Farnham
I am writing this as a hard working tax payer that has been fortunate enough to lead by example. My parents both worked to support six children and did not collect one dime from the state or federal government including unemployment. I know the drug concern in this County unbelievable but it doesn't make it right for organizations to make huge profits or waste tax payers dollars. I read an article that Farnham was granted $1.5 million dollars October 2018. I would like to see how this money is being used. I would also like to know why each County has a different set of rules on their programs. These programs are funded by the State and Federal government which is "the hard working tax payer." Why I bring this up makes me furious.I had to wait a week to calm down before I posted this. Some Oswego County Residents don't fit the Farnham program so they take a cab to a facility that will except them. Who pays the taxi bill? Yes, again the taxpayer. You do the math, how many thousands of dollars are wasted in transportation because they don't fit their program? Taking a taxi six days a week,to and from a facility is unbelievable.
That's why Farnham is here and don't worry I already called the Attorney General and the Senator who helped get the Grant money to investigate. All rules should be the same accross the state of New York." Oh I forgot I am in Oswego County".

July 7-9/19

The sniveling little cowards on this site.
I now know all of the players on this site who have bashed me for no reason whatsoever. I know who you are. You are so frightened...scared of life....scared of what the next day brings....go take your anti-depressant and crawl under a rock.

Nope...I will use LION just like Trump uses Twitter. I don't care if you don't like it.

Gossip????? What's happening politically? Well, I think the new Administrative Judge for our district will be Hon Jim Murphy. An outstanding jurist. A great selection!

Now that Tom B has won the primary....who will be chosen to fill his seat as Court Attorney Referee? Any guesses?? The job pays about 155,000/yr. Comes with benefits. Lawyers are lining up.....

Who will the County Republicans choose as their candidate to fill Judge Todd's seat? It's next year.....C'mon, you must know by now.

You know...there is other gossip to report other than GT and HA....important gossip that needs to be out there for discussion.

Will Greg Oakes try to run for Todd's seat next yr or Hafner's seat in 2 yrs?

Is it important for a candidate to be in all of the parades....do parades guarantee victory in an election??? What about yard signs????Do signs cause people to vote???

What about advertising on the internet????? Is that important in a race?????

Is it time for Oswego Country to have a female County Court Judge?

Finally, does negative advertising work???? Should a candidate throw mud at his opponent and do you approve of it?

Let's spice up the conversation on LION.

Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19

What a bunch of weaklings that hang on this web site.
No one signs their name. Everyone is frightened. I have no use for people like you. So scared.....fear of what could happen....go to your basement and hide. You are right....I don't hang with people like you.

All of this GT and HA commentary....it's done. What don't you understand? Why don't you understand? It's been brought to Court and appealed. You lost. A cover-up? What next...9 11 never happened?

Yes, I am going to run for District Attorney. I predict Gregg Oakes will throw his hat into the County Court race. That will happen in the next 1 or 2 years. Doesn't matter...the party likes another individual for the position and it AIN'T GREGG. I know I will win the position. Look at how many people voted this year...14%. All those parades mean squat. Fact is...nobody votes.

I'm a no nonsense guy. That's how I will approach the office. It sure pays well too. $4,000/week is nothing to sneeze at. So, yes, I am interested.

And I won't convene a special grand jury to look into the HA case. Too much time has passed. The 3 stooges and others have all kept their mouths shut. I'm not going to waste anymore taxpayer resources. The case is done

You all know I'm a good lawyer. I enjoy going to court and watching the other side shudder and shake. I lie here awake at night just thinking how I'm going to ruin folks like you in court. I believe in karma.

I have been winning most or all of my cases. I just haven't won the murder cases. Must be the police did a good job collecting the evidence. Remember, you aren't going to win at the trial level. You win on appeal in Rochester.

You will be seeing me more on this site. I never came to this site until recently. I enjoy posting my views. I know that deep down inside you love me. You really do. Lol. Goodnight you bunch of weaklings.

Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19

Your boring site
This site is sooooo slow. Why does it take centuries for you to post? You have lost my interest. So long you bunch of sniveling cowards.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19

The Cowards on this site
So you say that hunting and snowmobiling is enjoyed by certain types of people who are not good people????? Well count me in with that crowd. I love snowmobiling and I have been an officer of the Mexico Trailriders for the last 10 years. Before our paths went different ways due to a falling out I hung around with Ron 24/7. I learned some things about his methods. The rest is behind me. I wouldn't believe one syllable that came from his mouth. When I saw the defense called him to the stand, I knew the defense was compromised. I changed my opinion. I knew I had been lied to.

I love the people of this County. They are going to love me even more when I'm District Attorney. I'm coming.....Get ready......Get used to it.
Salvatore Lanza, Esq

July 7-9/19

Very slow to post news
I think I have figured out this site. You post your gossip and then the administrator of the website reviews the post every morning and determines subjectively which post we'll make the page. The postings are only done once a day. That's just way too slow for my taste
I can tell by the individual who is making comments against me there. It is a woman and she has excellent punctuation. She is obviously college-educated. She may even be a former editor or news reporter. I will look at her written post again and make further observations.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19

This site is sooooo slow.

Why does it take centuries for you to post? You have lost my interest. So long you bunch of sniveling cowards.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 7-9/19

Observations From The Lanza Posts

1- You know how this site works. You have been reading it for a good ten years and have posted several times in the past under the name legalpad.

2- You are such a great lawyer and have such a great practice you need to supplement it by running for public office?

3- A year ago you were telling everyone you would run against Oaks this time around. Now it is sit and wait for him to move on to something else. What happened no balls?

4- You are “a no nonsense guy”. No you are a total bullshit guy.

5- “You will be seeing me more on this site. I never came to this site until recently. I enjoy posting my views. I know that deep down inside you love me.” “I will use LION just like Trump uses Twitter.”

You are a lying sack of sh!t.

You are not going to use this site for free advertising or ranting like that serial sexual predator Donald Trump.

How do I know this because you are all done here. I don't care if you don't like it. I seriously suggest you reach out to some professional that deals with bipolar disorders.

addio pazzo

Today's Quote July 6/2019

Fortune always favors the brave, and never helps a man who does not help himself.
P. T. Barnum

Sal,
you DON'T take medical malpractice because your sister is a doctor.
I'm sure the local and regional newspaper would be more than happy to take your advertisements. They don't belong here, more over, here, we know the truth, and laugh.
District attorney? 😂😂😂😂😂
As to deer hunting with witnesses.....I bet you do, you always hang with that type. Decent folks stay away from you.

July 6/19

Looking into the future of Oswego politics
We all know that next year will be a big political race (2020), President, state senator, state assembly, etc. The local race that will capture a lot of attention will be County Court because Judge Todd has indicated he will not seek another 10 year term. Look for Gregg Oakes to run for the County Court seat either next year or in 2 years when Judge Hafner retires (age 70 by law). That’s when I will announce my run for District Attorney.
Salvatore F. Lanza Esq

July 6/19

Cowards who write anonymous posts...reply to Sal
I really don't understand your thinking....GT case.

Look at it subjectively and not objectively.

We all know the things the OCSD did not do in this case. It's full of holes, lies and back turning on certain issues and clues.

Did the Matt M. doc. ring a bell for you?
You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Ex.: Bivens changing his mind 3 times on the color of the van...why? Was he done a favor? Did MB talk to him after he got a DWI fax? And who in the hell gets a DWI fax from the DA's file...what's that tell you? MB was given this to persuade Bivens to change his story about the color of the van..one hand washes the other.

Neighbors at the Airport: we watched as county issued cars entered the airport at 3-4 AM a lot of the time...why? I was told by someone back then that coke was coming in from the airport...

Why was the FBI denied access to this case, a case that still has not been solved.

Why no line up?

Ahy let JW walk after all the info she gave them and they never followed up or pressed for more....hmmmm. Why Sal as a lawyer would you not think these and other things were suspicious.

Not meant to attack you but: what year did your friend you hunted with know something but never mentioned it to you? Was it before 2014 and now when we are getting more info?

Didn't the fact that 3 witnesses said the van was blue? Then changed their minds. Why? Did the OCSD persuade them to. Why didn't the OCSD listen to the guy who told them he saw a blue van speeding and do a u-turn?

You must be blind sided by the fact that the law and lawyers need proof but sometimes questions lead to that.
Judge King was brought in to stop any appeal...very obvious. Why would 10 ppl who heard the "3" say they got Heidi say they were unreliable? Where is the proof that you lawyers need to prove they were unreliable? THERE ISN'T ANY!

This inv. by the OCSD is a joke and a cover up.

True story: a guy told someone I know wouldn't lie that back then the OCSD stopped him, found coke in his car, took the coke and let him go.

Would you have used the fact that Bivens said they were as tall as Heidi and husky? RT is short, GT was medium ( no one I would back down from ) would you have made Bivens seem unreliable about this?

His time he said was 8-8:30...impossible.

Sal don't lawyers need proof to win cases? So where is any proof that the bros. did this especially when Swenkowski left the same time RT did from the store but did not see a kidnapping. Bivens however did see a kidnapping...how can this be? If Swenkowski saw RT then he should have seen a kidnapping...unless Bivens made up the whole story? As a lawyer what does your education tell you about this very weak case?

It can only be if there is a cover up by the OCSD and others because Bivens said.." van was blue." Right make but not the right color.

And finally: did you pay attention to Dodd's reaction after Matt told him a boy saw a cop shoot Heidi? Only a grunt..not any answer. Matt let him off the hook by not waiting for an answer from him.

Did the question the OCSD inv. asked Jenn in the car what she felt like after answering questions about Heidi? or similar statement.

"I FELT DISHONEST."....JENN WESCOTT.

AND THE FACT THAT YOUR HUNTING BUDDY DIDN'T MENTION ANYONE MEANS NOTHING. HE KNEW YOU WERE A LAWYER AND WERE YOU RT'S LAWYER THEN?

I read a statement you said about this case, if I can find it I will post it.

NAME WITHHELD BECAUSE OF TWO WORDS...GARY THIBODEAU.

One last thing: IF THE FBI, DOJ OR OTHER GETS IN TO THIS CASE AND : IF NO ONE IS ARRESTED FOR A COVER UP I'LL DO THE REST OF GT'S TIME. IF THEY ARE, WOULD YOU DO THE REST OF GT'S TIME?

WANT THE BET?

July 6/19

Sal the self promoter
Sal, please stop using the lion for your free advertising. IF you are as good as u claim
you should not need to advertise. If you need to, at least pay for it as do the rest of your peers. By the way, thanks for the heads up on your politcal plans, this is going to be great.
ha m

July 6/19

CECU AVVUCATU
First to address your dislike for those who choose not to use their name, It would bother someone like you not to have a name to work with, it takes away all your little fear tactics and does not allow you any way to dig dirt, or in your game, material to discredit making you in the Old Country a cecu avvucatu, a blind lawyer!. You have used this site to advertise your most awesome services, How ever your hypothesis that your the best Lawyer in N.Y is supported only by very weak premises. And out here in public, justice does not end with such a corrupt trial, in AMERICA we the people will decide when to stop our seeking Justice for Gary and Heidi!!! P.S do your advertising somewhere else I think most have heard enough from you.

July 6/19

Reply to Sal
Lastly, I don’t want to hear anymore about GT and Heidi Allen. The case is done and a jury has spoken. The case was reviewed by Judge King and denied relief. Everything else is pure speculation.

This case is far from done. If Matt M. didn't dig up more hidden evidence, ( is NOT speculation ) then it may be done.

Taped phone calls about bodies, Heidi, drugs etc.

Judge King tried to make it all go away. I agree with Lisa, an appeal should have been won by the defense. The appeals court said the evidence was too great.....what evidence? Finger prints, DNA, body found, dropped in MA, eye witness to seeing GT kidnap her, evidence found on the bros. land, house cars?

NOTHING AND YOU KNOW IT!

I'd love to argue this with you, just you and me but I know it will be taped and videoed. This puts my life in jeopardy...possibly. I am not afraid to fight but if I don't know who is coming I can't defend myself. Tonya got death threats in 2014. Tell me who sent them? Did GT....nope. Then this must mean the real killers and the people who helped cover it up are still out there. Did the OCSD try to get the phone records? NOPE!

Did they ask for a lineup? ...NOPE!

Did they ask the "3's" neighbors if they saw them leave early that morning?...NOPE!
Did they inv the fax to MB?...NOPE!
Did they ask JW about the 2nd van after she said.." after 20 years I still have to tell you there was a 2nd van." NOPE! Because they KNEW there was a 2nd van.

Did they inv. the time and clock at the store and how Stinson says he was there at 7:41 am but didn't see anything. But Bivens did. If Stinson didn't see anything then that has to make RT & GT not guilty and Bivens made up the whole story..( this is what I thought when I first read it ).
I doubt he was even there and his time was 8-8:30 am????? His time he said he left his house and then got to the D&W doesn't make sense. Left at 7:30am got there between 8-8:30 am? But he did mention a BLUE VAN so maybe I am wrong about his story. Check the Statement of Facts where they question Bivens, his time of being there isn't even mentioned or asked about by the OCSD.

Did they inv. the guy who said MB had a white van the he just got repaired and this person said he borrowed it to junk with...NOPE!
The DMV could have proven this is 5 minutes. Did they go to the DMV?.....NOPE!

Did they follow GT when Oakes said he took the body to MA to dump it...NOPE! GT was watched as testimony by 2 deputies and didn't go anywhere far. If he did, wouldn't they have followed him? Come on Sal any law official would have followed him. Still think there wasn't a cover up?

Ten witnesses to the "3" saying they killed her and King said they are not credible because all the stories were a little different. No kidding King, 10 different times. and why weren't they credible?

It took the OCSD 4 months to get the original cash register tape for the day of the crime...4 months!!!! That should have been the first thing they took as evidence.

It took them 6 months to get a picture of James Steen to show Pierce

They just solved a murder case from 1984, nothing is over unless it is being covered up.

Who was the guy in court in 2014 that said.." who do you think you're kidding Oswego." FBI?

If you really believe that it's over because of the jury then why do you appeal cases and tell of how you reversed them? How many has the Innocence Project got released after a failed appeal. I would like to ask the Appeal Court that said too much evidence to over turn...tell me the evidence because I don't see any and neither did RT's jury.

Appeal is part of your duty as a lawyer and you have used it. Many have appealed but got off from the Innocence Project.

I would ask you and everyone to watch on Youtube: "Johnnie Frank Garret" or may be titled...."The Last Word". A lawyer said a judge can get you convicted 100 different ways. They executed an innocent kid and the real killer confessed.

THE ENDING WILL KNOCK YOU OFF YOUR CHAIR. TAKE 60 MINUTES AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO YOU. FRANKIE GARRET GOT HIS REVENGE...WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE ENDING TO THIS DOCUMENTARY.

TELL US ON THE LION THAT YOU ACTUALLY 100% BELIEVE G.T. IS GUILTY BECAUSE OF.....(PRESENT THE EVIDENCE PLEASE.)

And finally why is it that a lot of the public following this case believe there was a cover up as to who really killed her? Too many things were Mickey Moused and easily proven to be false.

KARMA KARMA KARMA...TIC TOC TIC TOC

July 6/19

Running for D.A
You may have the perfect qualifications for D.A, not for what you can see, but rather what you are willing not to see. Good Luck!

July 6/19

Old City
Hey Larry, if you want people to come to Old City get your A/C fixed. Quit blaming the city for your failures when you can’t even make those who do choose to patronize you comfortable. And the new park looks fantastic by the way.

July 6/19

Funding authorized for armed sheriff's officers in schools.
Endless opportunities to recruit confidential informants.
Oh, dear Lord, Barney Phyfe on the loose.
http://www.oswegocountynewsnow.com/news/funding-authorized-for-armed-sheriff-s-officers-in-

schools/article_6d9944b2-9d0b-11e9-9e87-5307aca36f2e.html

July 6/19

Today's Quote July 5/2019

“I wake up in the morning, I don’t know what’s going to happen to me that day.

That, I think, is part of the intensity of my advocacy, because it better be f***ing worth it.”
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

What's creepy
Is that you know what their neighbors are doing. Let me ask you, when does everyone else's problems become yours? The answer is they don't. So let me know when everyone else's problems became Richard Thibodeau's.

July 4-5/19

Jackass poster
Who wants to pool our money together bet on who we all think the odd ball poster actually is. My money its Murtagh he has a certain slang lingo when he types he's often adding words like now or just my opinion. He's often lying and telling tall tales many of them are directing lies on the Thibodeau family, everyone debunks immediately. He's been all over online making up stories, many times. Often he's slapped back with facts or called out by the public. But bless his twisted heart he never gives up. He in all honesty, deserves the douch bag award because John 3:16 He truly believes, another Murtagh moto.

July 4-5/19

Ocasio-Cortez Unloads On Kellyanne Conway In Border Bill Tweetstorm

Kellyanne Conway is an anemic republican slut and not worthy of responding to on Twitter or any where else.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-kellyanne-conway_n_5d1c5247e4b03d6116443ad4?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006

July 4-5/19

Rush Limbaugh Suggests Drinking Toilet Water Is 'A Step Up
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rush-limbaugh-migrants-toilet-water_n_

5d1c52e3e4b07f6ca5860a0b?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006

Not a surprising comment from a fat slob who sucks d**k. Before his radio career got started he worked as a hat check girll in the men,s room at the Grey Hound bus station in St. Louis.

July 4-5/19

Re: Hilton can do nothing
Wouldn’t it have been a Lot easier for Dodd to have gone to Bivens to give him his DWI deal by telling him he REALLY didn’t see anyone kidnapping Heidi…that he was mistaken of what he saw? Instead of making the New Haven community, and beyond, in chaos as it was right after the disappearance.

Their ‘secret’ would have been safe, an innocent man wouldn’t have suffered a price for something he didn’t do and the community wouldn’t have been in FEAR. Who’s lame brain idea was it to spread that she is probably in witness protection? What a conspiracy theory if I ever heard one. Aren’t conspiracy theories supposed to have some basis in FACT?

Heidi is missing and the family should be pushing, pushing, pushing for the answer for themselves and the community who has so graciously sympathized with them over the years. It’s called multi-tasking, fighting for your loved one and living your life. They don’t have to be exclusive. Look to the family of Tammy Mahoney….now that’s fighting for your loved one.

July 4-5/19

Cowards who write anonymous posts
Anyone who writes a post anonymously on this site is nothing more than a sniveling little coward. In Sicilian, we call these people, “gli scugniti”. That means they are nothing more than a mosquito…a nothing.

I’ve already told you that I consider myself to be the best lawyer in Central New York. That is my opinion. If my clients go to jail, I know I tried my best to keep them out. At my office, you will receive professionalism, courtesy, integrity and respect.

Look at the cases that I handled that went up on appeal and were overturned. Remember, tough cases are won on appeal in Rochester.

I handle hard cases. I don’t take every case.

If you are in trouble, give my office a call. It doesn’t hurt to talk to me.

Lastly, I don’t want to hear anymore about GT and Heidi Allen. The case is done and a jury has spoken. The case was reviewed by Judge King and denied relief. Everything else is pure speculation. I must say that the key point that swayed my original opinion is when the defense called a certain individual to testify. I knew this person and I can say with certainty that when we snowmobiled or hunted deer etc, he never once mentioned any of the individuals who were brought up as possible suspects.
Salvatore Lanza Esq

July 4-5/19

The U.S. Is ‘Headed To Fascism
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-us-is-headed-to-fascism-says-ocasio-cortez-after-tour-of-detention-

facilities-at-southern-border_n_5d1bb8bde4b07f6ca5857226?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006

July 4-5/19

The blue wall
What's outrageous about your post is the idea those in power are incapable of great things. Badge doesn't give you honor or integrity. Many officers are loosing their lives due to bad officers. The good ones need to start making moves to combat the idea the blue wall is above the law. No one is. No One should ever be. We are all human. The bad officers are giving the good ones a bad name. If they support the idea of a blue wall. They support corruption. Maybe that's what Bohrer means about which ones are bad and good. Because that idea represents they are just as bad as each other if they can't do their job and create justice. A murderer is a murderer and protecting one simply because he was a former officer is ridiculous. If this were the case every where the Green River killer should also have been left alone. It's not the FBI, it's not Hilton its the mentality of those in OZ that would have no dignity, integrity or balls to do what's right to save face for one or two or even three corrupt officials because across the country many officers have been brought down. Why? Because of officers with integrity. If they really had any they'd do their job.

July 4-5/19

FAKE PATRIOT
FREAKIN' DRAFT DODGING, FLAG HUGGING' WEIRDO

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADOLPH HITLER AND DONALD TRUMP?

ADOLPH HITLER SERVED IN THE ARMY!

SAD BUT TRUE THAT ONE FACT MAKES HIM A BETTER PERSON THAN DUMBF**K TRUMP.

Obey
Obey like Hilton's a dog. Please they better hope they don't have a rebel as a Sheriff because if they do, obeying won't be their problem. So much for standing tall. My gutt says Hilton obeys no one. If he doesn't Obey. He will indeed be voted back in. The public supports him or he wouldn't be the Sheriff. Now if he doesn't do anything he's teetering on losing the next election. So Hilton by the prior posters beliefs you are to do as you are told, let the criminals run the county, as they always have . I'm pretty sure that's not why he ran for office. The officer's involved in Heidi's are not police officers just criminals wearing a badge. How could the blue wall ever be proud of that?

July 4-5/19

How Extreme Heat Overwhelms Your Body and Becomes Deadly
https://www.wired.com/story/how-extreme-heat-overwhelms-your-body-and-becomes-deadly/

July 4-5/19

Running for District Attorney
I have decided that I will be running for District Attorney in another 4 years. I will wait for Gregg Oakes to finish out his term of office. I want everyone to know well ahead of time of my intentions. For now, I will continue to practice as a sole practitioner. If you need my help, please call my office. I'll get you in to see me immediately. Honesty, Integrity, Commitment.
Salvatore Lanza, Esq.

July 4-5/19

Your negative comments from the anonymous cowards
I handle many different areas of the law..... Bankruptcy, Family Court, divorce, wills and estates, criminal matters, DWI, business law and corporate law,real property matters and real property closings. I handle all aspects of litigation in Supreme Court. I also handle appeals to the appellate division.

I do not handle medical malpractice or personal injury cases in my office. They are very expensive to bring to court and they require the retainer of experts which can be very costly. Those cases I refer to larger firms in Syracuse. I don't handle medical or dental malpractice. I don't handle workers compensation matters. All of these cases are such that you really need to hire someone in Syracuse whose practice is solely limited to that field of law. I also don't handle Social Security disability.

It doesn't hurt to call my office and set up an appointment. I will tell you if you have a case or not in my opinion. Give my office a call if you have any questions.

Salvatore Lanza Esq.

July 4-5/19

Today's Quote July 3/2019

The very essence of instinct is that it's followed independently of reason.
Charles Darwin

Court suspends license of ex-DA
Mary Rain learned her trade from none other than Donald Dodd. Plant corn get corn.
https://www.nny360.com/news/court-suspends-license-of-ex-da/article_fac8d3ab-e277-5618-831a-6ac2b69a00cc.html

July 3/19

Slumlord Arrested
He is the owner of the dump at 202 E. fifth St., which the code enforcement department has deemed unlawful to occupy and is allowing little children to reside there. How great the Code Enforcement department is.......pure unadulterated BS. Here’s a novel idea, do your job!

July 3/19

Hilton can do nothing!
Our new top Cop can not do anything related to the Heidi Allen case, This case was investigated by the F.B.I. what they found can never be made public and Mr. Hilton will follow his orders to leave this case alone. Those who were responsible for Heidi's abduction are ABOVE the LAW and the blue wall will stand united, right or wrong. Mr. Hilton will not and can not even comment on this case. we can only vote, this position is controlled and protected, if Mr. Hilton wants to keep that desk he will obey!

July 3/19

Salvatore Lanza And 2-4 Joe Pagano
These two are the laughing stock of every courtroom within a fifty mile radius. Lanza is famous for not telling clients when their court dates are. When the judge issues a bench warrant the cops haul them out of their homes in handcuffs. How many of your clients have you done this to Lanza? Go ahead and take off your shoes and sox. We can wait while you count them.

Pagano got his nickname “2-4 Joe” from the District Attorney’s Office. Almost all his clients are court appointed and he typically pleads them out 2-4 years in jail.
If it weren’t for Cieszeski and Sugar these bums would be at the absolute bottom of the legal barrel.

July 1-2/19

Re: Heidi Allen case
Lisa, is that you? Or is it Martha? How does it feel knowing you helped send an innocent man to prison, all to defend the

“family name.”

July 1-2/19

Motorcycle Fatality On Rt. 104 Oswego
Why has the female driver, that crossed the oncoming traffic lane without yielding, resulting in a motorcyclist's death, never been identified in the local press AND issued a ticket for 'failure to yield the right of way'?
To read the news reports, the accident was due to the cyclist's (excessive) speed acceleration. People behind the rider reported that as the light had changed in the 'highway traffic's favor', he had just changed to second gear, indeed accelerating to the posted 40 mph limit.
She prematurely turned and crossed traffic to enter a business on the south side of 104, failing to wait for the cyclist and the rest of oncoming traffic. Her ECLIPSE(NOT a bue honda crv) was struck by the bike on the passenger side.
My main question is, why hasn't her name been reported in the press and why hasn't she been issued a ticket?
IF I am wrong and the public HAS been notified of these facts, would someone please state the facts on this site?

July 1-2/19

Re: "Richard got off some how"
HAHAhaha

Let me break it down for you.

Bivens police signed statements indicate the 2 guys about as tall as Heidi were seen leading/taking her to a blue van. Later, after being shown several photos and a drive by of his van claims "that's the one".

Richard reported being at the store and making a purchase, in his Black and White van.

Bivens testifies that the man walking from the van had a limp. Now, where does that say in his statements? Logically, if you can, that means Richard was the one (supposedly) holding Heidi. Let's review facts about Richard, and you can see for yourself in police notes that are public via Greg's filing for the Hearing. Richard is 5'4", 5'5". How tall is Heidi? Oh wait, that's in police notes that are public too. Heidi is 5"10, '511. How can Richard possibly be the one holding Heidi if, as Bivens testified, the men were as tall as she?

Next, let's examine Richard's van.

First, it is clearly Black and White. Bivens, as an expert according to the ADA because he worked in an auto parts store, claims in police statements that the stripe looked to be painted on. Fact, it isn't unusual to see a van with the stripe as Bivens claims to ONLY be attributed to Richards van. I could post at least one other right now that is rustly AND has a stripe as Richards.
Second, examine the complete absence of Heidi's DNA in Richards van. A witness claims to have seen the van driving erratically away from the store, heading east on 104, appearing to be struggling with something in the back. You've seen pictures of the van from the April 9, 1994 search, right? The police, via Gary's trial transcript, describe the inside as being "messy". How do you explain no DNA of Heidi, then, if she was struggling in the back? You do know that it was on approximately April 28, 1994, during FBI surveillance, that Richards van was seen at a car wash? You do know that the van was inspected again by police after that incident? You do know that a piece of carpet was missing? You do know that police retrieved the carpet piece (thank goodness they gave them a receipt), matched it to the area removed from the van and found CANINE DNA on it? You do know that was testified to, in Gary's trial, by a police witness and a character witness for Richard?

Now, let's examine Richard and Gary's alibi's.
First, Richard had character witness testify, in Gary's trial, timeline of events of his movements the morning of April 3, 1994. Noting one in particular who was totally disinterested who claims to have heard Richards van go by his property heading west on 104 at approximately 7:00am and heading back east "less than a half hour" later. This begs the question, HOW CAN THE transaction record be accurate if his purchase was at 7:42am? Just disregard this witness? Yeah, because he was testifying for the Defense. (Speaking of transaction record, how could the register turn on be at 4:06am if Heidi didn't get to the store until 5:00am before resetting for DST?)
Second, Gary had an alibi that testified he was home the morning of April 3, 1994 and was woken by Richards phone call from a relative's where he was for Easter dinner. That alibi witness was falsely charged with perjury, Before Gary's trial, for lying about her whereabouts on April 3, 4, 5 and for saying Gary was home the morning of April 3, 1994. You do know that the charge of being out of town on April 3,4,5 was DISMISSED because there are several witnesses that saw her in Oswego during those days? You also know that she was ACQUITTED, in a front of a jury of her peers, for lying about Gary's whereabouts? Gary's jurors didn't have the benefit of reading THAT in the papers before his trial.

Now, let's examine the theory about what happened to Heidi AFTER she was kidnapped.
First, the prosecution contends, via "coached" witnesses, that Heidi was taken to Gary's, dismembered (with an army fold-up type shovel?) and burned in his outdoor burn pit (right in his front yard, no less) and buried on his property. You do know there were 2 searches of Gary's property? One in June 1994 and another in July 1994. Both times, Gary was incarcerated. You do know that the furnace was confiscated and samples taken? You do know the police set up property grids to search his property? You do know that the State Police used cadaver dogs to aid searching? You do know that soot piles/dirt piles were sampled? You do know what the FBI analysis revealed? From the Smithsonian report posted here before "no morphological details that suggest human origin" from the furnace. Negative dog indications or alerts. Negative human remains found on his property. The "army fold-up shovel wasn't even confiscated from Gary or Richards properties, including homes and vehicles. Information about that has also been posted here before.

That's three strikes ADA. You're out! Gary should have been ACQUITTED too!

There's more....

Let's examine this "confession" that Dodd claims Gary made to the inmates. Again, look publicly to the police notes Greg filed for the Hearing. Geez, it's all right there in black and white for you to read for yourself instead of asking others what they think or believe. You could have even taken some time and gone to the Oswego County CLerk's Office to read Gary's transcript yourself. NO WHERE did the inmates claim Gary told them he committed the crime. They claim that Gary knew a lot about it so he must be guilty. Do you remember weeks and weeks of this case being in the news? You also know that Gary was actively being investigated while he was in MA? Why wouldn't he know "things" about this case? Community members/Heidi's family and law enforcement were ALL commenting and being featured in news articles. You must have missed the inmates' testimony of where they admitted to eavesdropping on Gary's phone conversations and then asking him questions about what they heard. That was also in trial testimony. But you, nor anyone who only has partial Facts from word of mouth, would KNOW that unless you were unbiasedly listening to testimony or read the transcript.

Have I covered everything? In simpleton terms, Gary's conviction did not fit the verdict. He should have been given a new trial on what the prosecution withheld, at the very least. Personally, he should have been exonerated. Sidenote: interesting how the prosecution wants to keep their informants confidential yet Greg files a police affidavit naming another CI besides Heidi. I even have wondered if Bohrer was working in that capacity then with the "private investigation" with a Sheriff's wife and yelling down the street that he knew what happened to Heidi and to ask Bobby Wheeler. CI is a wide cloak for OCDA when useful!

Praying that Hilton does something with the information and connections that have been made evident to hold accountable those who covered up/were involved with Heidi's disappearance.

July 1-2/19

Reply to Heidi Allen Case 6/29.
If you paid attention you can see how the OCSD disregarded info from JW, man seeing a blue van do a u-turn, Roger's wife phone call on the Matt M. document.

And a host of other things like hiding evidence...the 3 yr.old boy's story.

The Thibodeau's are innocent..." they brought her to my house in a white van and wouldn't even let her come in the house"..JW...again just ignored after getting that info.

A ph****** 12 yr.old could have solved this case.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO let's hope the FBI gets involved and then we'll see after people start turning states evidence to save themselves what the truth really is.

I agree that some postings are BS, but the brothers did not do this. Remember Dodd said Gary confessed, and now Baldasaro is saying he never did confess to him....Dodd has a bad memory when it suits him.

Cover up...tic toc tic toc

July 1-2/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Reply to: The van

Why would a black and white van that had no evidence and was not seen at the store that morning bother you?

I would think the fact that 3 witnesses saying it was BLUE and then changing their mind to say it was Richard's van should bother you.

Did you ever ask why they changed their minds?

One guy told the OCSD he saw a blue van driving fast and made a U-TURN and they wouldn't even listen to him.

I REPEAT, WOULDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO HIM!!!

A kidnapping and they ignored him...why?

Because it was a cover up for who really did it. If you haven't figured it out that there were some important people from OC involved in drugs and killing Heidi and setting up Gary to get away with this crime, ask yourself why Mike B. got a fax from the DA's DWI file. And after that Bivens changed his mind about the van.

REMEMBER JENN WESCOTT.." AFTER 20 YEARS I STILL HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THERE WERE 2 VANS."

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? and I don't believe Rich M. at all. Why would his wife write a letter to the OCSD/DA about what she knew?

Put it all together, evidence ignored, JW spilling her guts and they let it go, no one saw GT there and Bivens said the description didn't fit the brothers. Neither of them were husky or tall.

Hidden evidence, lying cop on the Grand Jury, Judge King with a closed mind as he tried to try a case.

Oakes lying about GT going to MA when he was seen in Oswego and 2 deputies testified that they watched GT's house and the caddy never left. And if it did, WHY DIDN'T THEY FOLLOW IT????

June 29/19

Sal
Re: Sal: not sure how much to say so this post goes up. Sal is as dirty as you can get. He receives payment in kind for fees...I can bring a witness too...btw a piece of the puzzle OPD Officer TM was in business with Acid Dealer Ronal Eliason (Onondaga Hall LSD bust)

June 29/19

RE: Kind words (?)
The only cowards around there are the ones who have been named as being involved with Heidi’s disappearance and try to shift attention from themselves by making jokes, false allegations, and fabrication.
Pretty clever for your “friends” to be part of the circus that went on during Gary’s hearing. “Someone keyed my sister’s truck.” “Someone took a picture of me.” Galley member handing the prosecution a folder…..sleezy….. Birds of a feather, Sal.
Don’t care about who is writing negative comments about you?....Sure, that’s why you posted twice with one being a partial resume? And you’re GUESSING about who said what about you. Like I said, stop believing the Murtaugh’s. There are more than one, two or three people who are disgusted by your connection to them. By the way, not impressed by your resume and you fit right in with most of your clientele. Notice I didn’t say ALL.
Now about me….Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me. Happy Birth Day Dear……. For my birthday, I want….world PEACE!

June 29/19

Sal
Sal, the guilty flee, when no man pursues.
Me thinks, thou dost protest too much

June 29/19

Mr Wonderful Lawyer
Wow, what a wonderful pat on the back you gave yourself,The one who walks boldly into Court guiding his client to the bench were you bend him or her over to receive their screwing, while you gently and ethically pat their back and collect your win or lose profits. I'm sure you will just keep doing your job honestly and ever so ethically. Your part of a blood sucking system and a wonderful usher!

June 29/19

Re.Heidi Allen case.
Though the years I've had many people tell me they knew this and they knew that and gary and Richard didn't do it. And I always asked well if you knew this why didn't you go to a local law enforcement agency and report this information. The answer I always got was well I didn't want to get involved. Bullshit you didn't go because you know it's all bullshit. They got the two that did it. Gary went to prison right where he belonged. Richard should have but got off somehow.

June 29/19

Your kind words about me
Lots of negative statements about me on the LION. Doesn’t bother me at all. You either like me or you don’t. Richard T didn’t remove me from his case….Judge John Elliot did because he felt I was handling too much by defending 2 murder cases at once. He removed me and assigned his friend, Bill Walsh out of Syracuse. So get it right.

I think and I know I do a pretty good job in my law practice. Practicing 34 years, and I’m still married to the same woman. I haven’t been fired from a job because of alcohol or drugs. As you know, many lawyers who you all claim are just the best can’t make that claim. Stability….honesty, integrity, commitment. You can call me on my cell phone 24/7 even on weekends. And hey, I live in Volney, not in fancy Manlius.

I’m not sure what I’m going to run for in the next few years. But, it will be something. I want to know why people shudder and shiver when they see me on the other side of a case. You should have hired me. I don’t feel sorry for you when you walk in with a lawyer from Syracuse. I’m going to do my job. Professionally and ethically.

I think I’m pretty good at what I do. Alan Jones? I protected the record for appeal. That’s why I objected so much. We were never going to win the trial. I knew the Appeal was the key….and look…the Appeals Court agreed with me and reduced his charge to Manslaughter 2d, 15 years. He never killed anyone anyway. I still don’t believe it. He was railroaded just like they did to Gary T. No evidence.

Sleazy?? Low IQ?? LOL. A month ago I did a non jury trial in County Court. A sex case. The Judge was going to give my client 20 years. The District Attorney assistant put on his case and I simply cross examined ever so softly. At the end of the People’s case, the judge dismissed all of the charges of the Indictment to the shock and dismay of the District Attorney. My client walked out a free man.

Sleazy?????? I guess if that’s what you want to call it….fine…….it’s fine by me.

Salvatore F. Lanza Esq.

June 29/19

Salvatore Lanza
Hey folks….read the posts about me by an anonymous coward. I know who wrote it….I don’t care.

I consider myself to be…presently…the best criminal defense lawyer in Central New York. That’s my opinion. Some examples…Alan Jones…reversed conviction by the Appellate Division. Chris Chadick…reversed by the Appellate Division and sent back to trial court…About 1 month ago I did a non jury trial in county court. The judge was going to give my client 20 years on sex charges. I tried the case…and the county court judge dismissed the entire Indictment. My client walked out of court a free man.

Remember, I know which cases we won’t win at trial in front of a jury. You have to protect the record for appeal to the Appellate Division.

Joe Pagano Esq….one of the finest trial attorneys I am proud to know and practice with. We we’re co-counsel on the Tetro/Bunnell case. It’s up on appeal. I think the convictions will be reversed.

If you need me….give me a call.

Salvatore F. Lanza Esq

June 29/19

Wescott
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2015/02/could_jennifer_wescott_

plead_the_fifth_at_the_heidi_allen_kidnapping_hearing.html

June 26/19

“Some people try to help and others try to help themselves”

Rightfully so that the legal presumption of pleading the 5th is that the truth “incriminates”. So why not, Greg, give Jennifer immunity in hopes THE LIAR just may tell the truth. How can she tell the truth when she has a Murtaugh clan member hand signaling to her from the gallery?

Bivens also tried to plead the 5th during Gary’s trial but the judge told him to answer the defense questions about lying on his insurance forms about a car accident in October 1993. What did he say during defense questioning about why he backed up his timeline of driving by the D&W? “I don’t want to send an innocent man away.” TT page has been posted here MANY times.

June 26/19

Dumb ass sheriff = Rob Ramsey = Scriba Town Supervisor
Let's face it. The doltish of the bunch is the little ba--ard man child Rob Ramsey. Why? He's literally ignorant as F-CK. Convinced it is in his DNA. Let's give the little dude some credit because he does appear to at least try most of the time. But dude. Trying isn't doing. You do not belong in this position. You get sh-t backward's and you misspell over half of your words in a basic sentence. Let alone, you have a difficult time trying to carry on an intelligent conversation. Let us be clear that this isn't a roast on you. Lord have mercy if it does not turn out the way you want it to, you are always blaming others. You are a coward. Get on your wrong side, you are calling us every name in the book. Why you have remained....is beyond.
The majority of us just do not see you as the right supervisor over the town, Rob. You are a complete Jacka-- to everyone that is around you. What the Fu-k happened to you, man? Some go out of their way just to talk shit" truths" about you just because you get under so many peoples skin. You are watercooler talk - and not in a positive way. You are tolerated because of how politics work. You have had two years to actually do something productive and make a difference. You have really NOT done a damn thing except using a brand new shovel to dig up for a ceremony, and have supposable affairs, which we still think is an attempt for attention plot on your part.

Pasco, Lag, Sheldon, and Kenndy -- Weigh in - defend your leader if you genuinely feel that he is the right man for the Town Supervisor position of Scriba... The constituents want to know.

June 26/19

Reply dumb ass sheriff
I have no idea why that poster brought Ebby in to this. Ebby was not involved. Ebby was always back then attorneys for Herm Jordal. No joke. He was in the in crowd helping the Jordal family get out of trouble. LMAO he was to.

June 25/19

RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff

...and what proof do you have to back up your claim?

There still hasn't been any evidence by anyone to prove GT was at the store.

Are you a cop trying to convince the public of this.

Watch Matt M. doc. and start weeping because there is enough there to start an inv. into this crime they called an investigation.

June 23-24/19

Re: Sal and Murtaugh
I’m glad for Richard Thibodeau that he didn’t keep Sal Lanza to represent him through the whole legal process. I remember Sal as a sleezy lawyer back in the 90’s and he appears to STILL be a sleezy lawyer. Knock on wood I didn’t need services of a criminal lawyer then or now. The alcohol must be affecting his brain if he doesn’t remember his short representation of Richard Thibodeau. Fact is, the news quotes him as saying there was no photo line-up of the Thibodeau’s before they were arrested. This is corroborated by a letter Dodd sent to the court and Defense detailing who, when and what photos were shown to people for ID purposes.

Sorry, not sorry, Sal would not be a good replacement for Greg. Isn’t there anyone A LOT better than him. Mike McAndrew perhaps? Someone with integrity.

June 23-24/19

Everything
I hold peices of the puzzle.....Troy Martin & Ronal Eliason & Bateman Sr. 1990 something, NY Pie Fire, woods, Allan, Oswego Police, cocaine, murder, rape...

June 23-24/19

Wescott
"Accident or suicide it'll get their job done." Wescott is in harm's way. She knows too much. Ten or twenty years pass, her and Priest will end up missing or dead. If either takes place Gregory Oakes should be held fully responsible. When things die down something unusual will end their lives. Wescott couldn't hold a candle stick to Priest, her integrity is more superior than even the OCSD. Priest HAS proven herself. Wescott's proved one thing, how TO LIE TO AVOID PRISON. Wescott may be safer in prison and Priest should be in protective custody. Because she is not it shows you how little your life matters to the DA or the Sheriff's. Priest took them all on and has had more courage than our entire county. Oswego needs a DA, TOO BAD PRIEST didn't come along.

June 23-24/19

Hilton
If Hilton did the right thing it would be a tremendous change for Oswego County. Question is will he?

June 23-24/19

Insanity at its finest
https://www.lolwot.com/10-of-the-creepiest-souvenirs-serial-killers-have-kept-from-their-victims/3/

To the poster that keeps repeating his post about Richard Thibodeau's van and his desire to keep something that rightfully belonged to himself. Here's a piece you may want to read. All murderers, keep something that BELONGED to the VICTIM, heres a list of the most notorious murderers and their prizes they kept. Including saliva, under wear, news paper clippings, clip of their hair, a watch, their clothing. It would mean something if the van belonged to Heidi. You are either involved in this, acquainted to someone who is or insane. I do not believe the FBI or anyone would even support your idea. The van never belonged to Heidi and not a drop of DNA was ever found inside. Not a hair, clothing fiber, finger nail, blood, saliva, nothing. So what's in it that links to Allen? Nothing !!! I never knew it was criminal to want what rightfully belongs to you returned. You conveniently over looked the box of news paper clippings, documents, faxes and a book labeled Heidi Triangle's written by Bohrer and taken from Micheal Bohrer's residence. It's a fact those pieces collected from Bohrer's camper hold accountability to his guilt than Mr. Thibodeau seeking to collect his own belongings.

June 23-24/19

Robbery
The very owner of the van involved with Heidi Allen was involved in the robbery at the wire mill. They stole truck loads of copper. Millions worth. If you knew the van owners location in the 90's, Google maps might show a tractor trailer in her driveway back in 94 to 95 time frame. Their nephew did get caught after trying to round house kick the security guard and did time in prison for it. The rest walked away Scott free. Two men to a truck. 3 trucks missing along with their trailers. That were filled with rolls of wiring. Where is it you dump off millions in copper wire? Murtagh may know the answer to that. How is it capturing one they could never connect the 6 other wire mill robbers? It's about not just drugs but lots and lots of money.

June 23-24/19

Robbery the one who was caught
Here ya go. Start connecting the connections.

The very owner of the van involved with Heidi Allen was involved in the robbery at the wire mill. They stole truck loads of copper. Millions worth. If you knew the van owners location in the 90's, Google maps might show a tractor trailer in her driveway back in 94 to 95 time frame. Their nephew did get caught after trying to round house kick the security guard and did time in prison for it. The rest walked away Scott free. Two men to a truck. 3 trucks missing along with their trailers. That were filled with rolls of wiring. Where is it you dump off millions in copper wire? Murtagh may know the answer to that. How is it capturing one they could never connect the 6 other wire mill robbers? It's about not just drugs but lots and lots of money.

June 23-24/19

Reply to reply to reply to reply..Dumb Ass Sheriffs
The post on June 12, 2019 Are you ph***** serious????

No one saw GT there

RT would not have called the cops if he did it

Ebby wasn't involved

Did you follow this case from 2014?

Did you watch Matt's doc?

Did both DAs hide or late giving evidence.

Matt's doc is the most powerful yet and this proves the bros. were innocent. Of course there was even more but the OCSD ignored all of it.
A child could have seen what was going on...speaking of child...did this kid just bring them down?

Dodd is a liar, corrupt sob that broke his oath.

Anyone with the IQ of 16 knows this was all a cover up.

Watch and see if the FBI or the DOJ jumps in.

June 23-24/19

RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff
The post on June 12, 2019 Are you ph***** serious????

No one saw GT there

RT would not have called the cops if he did it

Ebby wasn't involved

Did you follow this case from 2014?

Did you watch Matt's doc?

Did both DAs hide or late giving evidence.

Matt's doc is the most powerful yet and this proves the bros. were innocent. Of course there was even more but the OCSD ignored all of it.
A child could have seen what was going on...speaking of child...did this kid just bring them down?

Dodd is a liar, corrupt sob that broke his oath.

Anyone with the IQ of 16 knows this was all a cover up.

Watch and see if the FBI or the DOJ jumps in.

June 23-24/19

RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff
The post on June 12, 2019. “First I would like to say that I enjoy reading the posts on this site.
Now to get down to business. I think gary and Richard are guilty. Richard is one lucky sob he should've rotted in prison right along side his brother. Some how he got lucky and ebby got him off the hook. Are this other bullshit is just what it is Bullshit. I watch a lot of crime shows and all the murderers and rapist keep trophies from there victims. Why do you think Richard has been whining about getting his van back for years.”

June 22/19

Wescott
“The only reason she is alive is the constant publicity around the Heidi Allen case. She knows to much and has already said to much. When all this quiets down she will have a tragic accident of some kind like so many others have had.”

The DA will protect her, or at least she thinks so. Oh, my bad, he’ll only protect her from prosecution for continually lying to law enforcement about others being involved with kidnapping, murdering, disposing of Heidi. Way to go, Greg. Too bad Jenn didn’t have the fortitude and integrity that Tonya has. If Rog is an insignificant person as sounds, why would Jenn protect him? OH, it’s not Rog she’s protecting, she’s afraid of the Murtaugh’s? Speaking of Murtaugh’s…Hilton, have you called upon the FBI yet? What about the AG or is that the DA’s job? Hilton, you are aware that the AG’s true determination of what they were given by the DA’s office and Sheriff’s Department was inconclusive in contradiction to what Greg was spouting publicly? Is there no way to help them reach a conclusion?

I actually pity Jenn. That she was involved with people ‘like that’ and has such a low moral character.

“Live long and prosper”.

June 22/19

Sal & Murtagh
The other night I watched Sal Lanza team up with Richard Murtagh across Sals Facebook. What got me was the idea Sal couldn't decifer between lies. Murtagh made several false comments. In which I screen shotted the entire thread. Murtagh claimed Gary's mother was selling drugs out of her home and that everyone went there to get these drugs. Dumb comment and Sal fell for it. Gary's mother has never lived in Oswego let alone the state of New York. Then Murtagh tells Lanza he thought Gary was a Federal CI. Lmao!! When is it Murtagh stops his lying? When is it people like Sal find their brains and actually study the case. Lanza then went on to claim Gary knew RB and JS from rumors he heard, not true and both Steen and Bohrer made it clear. Gary, they knew of him as he just moved to N.Y. and Bohrer made it very clear in court by saying to Gary I never liked you which confirmed Steen confessing Gary wasn't liked. Bohrer ( not Mike Bonner as Sal called him) also describes Gary as being not liked while he and Sharon stayed at Becks due to their fire because he was nothing more than a fly on the wall. To drug dealers that's not a good mix. So Lanza expressed he feels Gary must have been involved due to being an aquaintace to RB, JS, which he is not. One could also say the same thing about Sal and his link to the Murtagh family. Must be Sal, if that theory held water, we'd all be in prison because you knew of someone who committed a crime and would be guilty just by knowing of them or knowing them. That is not how the laws work. Smh, what a pathetic theory, and you are an attorney? Then Sal went on to claim Gary must have sold drugs in order to have an income( that stemmed from Murtaghs claim Garys mother sold drugs from her home) Sal was immediatly informed Gary was disabled. Sal cracked a joke about Gary being able to walk in court, FUNNY he then remarks well he wasn't wheel chair bound. Really Sal, what a low life, you don't know Sal that Gary shattered both of his feet falling over 30 feet and was in a wheel chair for years until rehabilitation helped him learn to rewalk. Then for years he was crutch bound until his walking became more natural again. Sal you looked like an idiot making these claims and a fool degrading anyone disabled. Next time Sal make sure what you are told that you fact check before you comment. Not only did you feed in to Murtaghs lies you went with it and sided with a liar, you became the laughing stock over night. Sickening to see an Oswego attorney not only make fun of someone disabled but to watch him feed off the lies Murtagh posted about the drug dealing from Gary's mothers home and how everyone went there to get their drugs. So tell us Sal, were they traveling all the way to Massachusetts to get their drugs? Because that's where she lived and died. Why not Sal tell the public your play in helping Wescott gain immunity? Smh..no one Sal then believed it was easy to point at Steen being in prison. Making yet another b.s. comment seeing as Oakes lied and didn't pull all reports on Steen that came in prior to him ever being incarcerated. Thus Sal you are a direct part of the problems in OZ. If you commented the other night drunk. Here's an idea stay off face book when you are drinking. Heres some more advice if you have zero knowledge of this case, can't decifer between lies and facts. Don't comment at all. If I could link the entire thread here I would. Be thankful it's not linked seeing as it was deleted as I snapped the last photo of the entire pathetic conversation. Murtagh posted to the Thibodeau family he will be seeing them real soon, heres a fact you will not be seeing the Thibodeaus soon because if you do, it'll be fun and games until the cops show up ask your buddy Steen how that worked out for him. That was the second threat Murtagh the first was you'd burn their home to the ground. Sal considers a person such as Murtagh a friend LMAO Sal always does seem to side with the citizens riding in the gray areas of the law. Must be the only friends he can get. Be thankful you two fools I don't link every ounce of that bs convo here. Maybe I will..maybe you both deserve to be publically called out on the lying. Cross your fingers Sal I don't.

June 22/19

Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff

Many of the names on the original post you responded to are right from sheriff notes from the original investigation in 1994 and 1995 (or from personal knowledge). Just look here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/243843580/Affirmations-in-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Vacate-Judgement

, https://www.scribd.com/document/243843840/Exhibits-1-25

, https://www.scribd.com/document/243843960/Exhibits-26-40

, https://www.scribd.com/document/243844092/Exhibits-41-50

, https://www.scribd.com/document/235564005/Thibodeau-Gary-Motion-Filed-7-30-2014-Updated

, http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/

. Just to post a few resources. Investigation 101-- rule out people--go back to the beginning if a suspect doesn’t fit the evidence. Clearly, there WERE others besides Gary who were questioned and investigated. LE knew of Breckenridge, LE knew of Murtaugh, LE knew of Bohrer. It’s not new to them. So don’t let Murtaugh fool you into believing that his name just came up from Jenn Wescott in 2013.

The connections make sense and also show that Gary couldn’t/wasn’t responsible for Heidi disappearing. Unlike the bs theory the ADA presented to the jury that they fell for. The Law said Sharon didn’t lie about Gary’s alibi and The Law says Richard is innocent. What other conclusion can be drawn than Gary HAS to be innocent as well.? And since he didn’t kidnap Heidi, someone else did. It’s not rocket science.

There is so much to read on this case to make connections and that’s why Greg is not getting the backing by the community and beyond. Not to mention his blatant lies that have been exposed. Drugs, drugs, drugs. That’s how most people are connected to this case.

And HEY, to another commenter—Watch your mouth!! Richard was not proven guilty in a court of law. He is innocent, no matter what you ‘think’ or believe. With all that was presented at Richard’s trial, he was determined by a jury of his peers to have NOT kidnapped or killed Heidi. You know what libel means? I understand though, commenting anonymously so that you won’t be held accountable unless…..nvm. You’ll have to come up with another theory considering Richard is Innocent and Gary had an alibi.

June 21/19

Wescott

The only reason she is alive is the constant publicity around the Heidi Allen case. She knows to much and has already said to much. When all this quiets down she will have a tragic accident of some kind like so many others have had.

June 21/19

What does the drug book tell us?

It tells us who the big cheese is, the person who's name never gets mentioned the holder of this book also holds all secret info held under the disguise protecting an informant. This is were all the lying started. Rule one and there's only one, never release information on an informant. You can now lie to the public as well as Judges. The big cheese has all the answers but no one ever mentions his name, the register tape and others got all of the peoples attention, just the way it was planned. If these last three do not come forward soon and think they are above the law so be it we can see justice without the law!

June 19-20/19

Mr. Big cheese

I have and never will mention any persons name, but how wonderful it would be if the big cheese sat down with Matt Mulcahy and told how all the rats were placed under his protection and involved him in a cover up. This was once a good man. Lets clear the air we are all to old to carry this shit around any longer!

June 19-20/19

Motive??

If Richard Murtagh truly believes that Gary Thibodeau was a Federal CI, would it give them motive to pin it on Gary Thibodeau? Look what happened to Heidi. Why would it not happen to Gary? Did Richard Murtagh give a motive to why Gary? Who ever said Gary Thibodeau was a Federal CI working under cover? No one but then again no one ever said Heidi was defiantly without doubt a CI either and some how Micheal Bohrer knew. So how does Murtagh come up with this theory or information regarding Gary Thibodeau? Wouldn't that as well explain why framing Gary Thibodeau did not matter?

June 19-20/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

Does anyone wonder why the biggest case in Oswego Cty. wasn't tried by the DA, but the ADA?

Did the DA know something he didn't want to get involved in?

Oh Dodd, Matt's documentary just hung you and a lot of others if it's investigated.

Yeah you're an honest person. Did you know about all the coke being sold by "important" people in Oswego Cty?

Why else would you hide evidence, lie and take a person not even id to court...man is this going to deep.

Don't wear green to prison, it clashes with your eyes.

June 19-20/19

Settlement reached in Oswego landlord sexual harassment lawsuit

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/settlement-reached-in-oswego-landlord-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/

June 19-20/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense...reply to Dumb ass sheriffs

Dumb ass Sheriffs

I read your post 3 times. I don't know anyone of these people. Not from Oswego area.

But where did you find this info?

For 25 yrs. none of these names have been mentioned.

Not degrading you but would like to know more.

Are you a cop or ex-OCSD deputy?

June 19-20/19

Hilton
Hilton may not be willing to do the right thing. It may hurt his career. But doing nothing will hurt it even more. The people voted him in for change. Not to fear what's to come. But to be the driving force behind justice. It seems it may never come to that if he's insecure about the political bridges he will burn. Even though the public will rebuild every last bridge for him. He under estimates the power of the public

June 18/19

Re: Ralph's drug book.
Is this Ralph happen to be Scruton? If these names that were given are detailed in an OCSD deputys drug book, what's that tell anyone? I spoke to a person who directed me to Ralph Scruton. Who his name is never mentioned. It's only whispered behind his back. So no I do not know Scruton but I do know Wheeler. He's dirty always has been.

June 18/19

Ralph's drug book.
I don't know a Ralph or any drug book from this Ralph. But if you find Herms drug book you'll connect them all. I never read any book. I know them all. Every last one. That's the only reason I'm aware of who is who. Who did What. But if it matches that Ralph's drug book what's that tell you?

????????????????????????

Is this a judge dressed as a pirate or a pirate dressed as a judge?

June 18/19

Re: Idiot
Sorry to have upset you! When I post here it is not meant for the public so much, I submit to the eight men that hold all the keys to solving Hedis kidnapping, these eight men read this platform more than you and I, I'm speaking directly to three people now! Your submission of who's who reads like GPS for junkies! and matches the drug book names.

June 17/19

Charlie P
whoever cited doing shots with Charlie P in his patrol car has an inside track, it's no lie , and not made up. Sheriff Hilton, you got some in the know old timers who are turning.

June 15-16/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Timelines questioned, witnesses changing minds on the color of the van, Jenn W. giving a lot of ignored info, Oakes lying about GT going to MA, Dodd caught in a lie by Lisa P., no one seeing Gary, Bivens, Fabin and another man telling the OCSD the van was blue and then for some reason changed their mind to white, the "three" virtually being left alone etc, etc, etc.

BOTTOM LINE: cover up for those selling drugs. You don't cover up for criminals, just for cops and others.

We all know what happened here. It's so obvious it's laughable.

How man were involved?

Retired cop telling that coke was sold out of the Oswego Police Dept. True? Don't know.

But look and think about how this investigation was done and what the OCSD didn't do with new info.

There was so many mistakes made by those involved in a cover up you could cover a table with them.

Todd NOT wanting the FBI's help...but said he won't rest until they find Heidi????

I must repeat..." who do you think you are kidding Oswego? "

I said back in 2014 that maybe they took a van and made it look like Richard's. One person said highly unlikely...but now it seems probable.

Soon someone will step up and save themselves if it hasn't happened already. If you don't think Dood, Todd or others won't turn on you...think again!

June 15-16/19

Reply to Ralph's drug book
You are an idiot.

June 15-16/19

Lies, Lies Lier X's Three
This was written regarding the Heidi Allen Case and was originally published on the Oswego Onion on January 18, 2015

We are all still watching all Greg O.

Lie, Lies, Lier X’s Three

Our sisterhood casts…thrice times three,
Yes there is one, blessed be…
oh we thought you knew, it appears your still the fool.

We wish you best, the best that you can be, even though you have made our hearts heavy.
We are not unkind, but we know the truth, and lies you have told will soon catch up with you.

All in good time, that is on our side, as we wait with our candles that bind, and unwind.
We sit by our fires, stirring our winter pots, we have been casting and bonding a wee bit more.
We know just what your are, there is evidence that you can’t just put in a jar.

The soft fragrance fills the air as you remember, a boy inside, and held a candle with tears in your eyes.
Ah yes we remember you too, now you are the one who battles the good.
We are not broken, think of us as trees that bend, becoming stronger until the end.
As it will be you, that determines your fate, make your choice,
as it will, so will it be, it will be times three.

June 15-16/19

Re: Hearing
That was Murray Miron at the Hearing, wasn’t it? The man who said ‘who do they think they’re kidding’.?
Murray Miron passed away from pancreatic cancer July ’95.

June 15-16/19

Trump starting another war this time Iran. We have lost all of our allies. Trump is a fool
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-consistent-criticism-of-iran-pushes-us-to-point-of-potential-conflict/2019/06/15/be997678-8ecb-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.e53ffea7c119

June 15-16/19

Dr. Microns interview
believe Dr. Microns interview , or not, the fact is, one it was learned the kid indicated a cop was involved..........the fact checking, and follow up.....STOPPED. Why? Because, many suspected it was too close to the truth, and killed that avenue of inquiry.
Ask yourself, how, and why, would a kid make that up? He described the "policeman with black boots" exactly as a child would. Shot in the foot? Maybe that also happened.
Bottom line...the situation was not fully investigated. Check the records the days it might have happened , given the time line of the kid being at his fathers, who was on duty? From the kids report, sounds like he, or SHE, was in uniform at the time, it strains imagination that he or she, would dress in uniform to do a murder. ....unless they were on duty at the time. Who was on duty at that time frame? Why did VanPatten suddenly resign? What the hell us going on and possibly covered up?

June 14/19

re: dumb ass Sheriffs
Wow, all those names, It looks like you have had access to Ralphs little black DRUG BOOK!

June 14/19

New names in black Vics
In a recent post those two names bring back such GOOD OLE memories, back doing shots off the dashboard of Charlie P's patrol car, back when you could sit in Hotel and pass joints with our off duty GOOD OLE BOY, maybe under cover work, sometimes you just got to get your hands a little dirty to do your job, These new names hold the key, if not the quilt!!!

June 14/19

RE: Dr. Miron
It is not a fairy tale. What has been posted is from his report. Watch the documentary again, what I say is right there. You must have missed the details of what Dr. Miron did with the boy. That’s OK that you don’t believe. Like I said, watch the documentary again.

June 14/19

Just noticed
I wouldn't doubt it. You have Heidi aunt also online claiming the public only cared about Gary. This family of Allen's forgets the amount of people who came to their aide, the money donated and the time many have spent to help. One thing they can't seem to comprehend is this. Heidi will never be given justice with out exonoration to Gary Thibodeau. Without the exonoration the state of N.Y. considers the case closed due to Gary being found guilty for it. The first step to any healing, truth or justice is to exonerate Gary, then arrest the culprits then and only then can Heidi ever be put first. Steps have to be taken to get to Heidi and justice for her first. This family pushed for Gary to stay incarcerated their push helped steal the life of another. If they wanted real justice they'd have hired an outside PI to account for the ooopsies made by the Sheriffs. Martha quote claims on Mulcahy wall that basically what's done is done. It's not done, Heidi deserves justice. It'll never be done Martha until your neice is given a proper investigation and brought home. Martha claims they did hire the Texan. Yes, but that Texan also told their family he felt Bohrer was involved. Do you listen ever Martha? The very person you hired you didn't listen then. You sure as hell are not listening now. The Allen family God granted this push by the public will put Allen first and will bring justice for the loss of her life. We are trying. Are you?

June 14/19

Hilton
Do you hear us now. This is not going away. It's going to get worse. Accountability, integrity. This public has it, when is it you begin to listen? We are all trying its your turn. We voted you in to bring justice. Not silence.

June 14/19

why all this now?
Why didn’t Gary’s family do anything to help him w appeals or attorneys or private eyes for the first 20 years?
Whether you think I m lying doesn’t matter to
Me I m happy with myself and our efforts to find Heidi
We got a search specialist here we got national guard here we got the whole community to search we kept all the records for Heidi center we offered reward we attended every public event in case we call on every found body or remains we attend events for missing children
It has always been about Heidi for all 25 years
And for you it’s all been about Gary
Different sides of a tragic story for all involved
The what if’s the should of s could of s can’t change what has already happened
So sad but true. -Martha Sturtz
Reply to her. "You should never be happy with yourself lying about your neice and your efforts in bringing in the Texan he told you then he felt Bohrer committed this crime. You knew all about Bohrer, so did your family. You ask why now.
"THE DEAD CANNOT CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE IT IS A DUTY OF THE LIVING TO DO SO FOR THEM" Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness These are the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence for each of us; EXCEPT IF YOU ARE MURDERED YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY RIGHTS. Someone took them and now THEIR RIGHTS ARE NOT PROTECTED. That's why Martha. To bring justice to and for both Heidi and Gary. To push the constitutional rights both were entitled to that were stripped from them, Illegally. The push from the very public you claim could care less, obviously they are the ones that will secure the right of justice, due process and truth. Be thankful for the public they are the very ones trying to find Heidi Allen."

June 14/19

Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og0BPi48DGQ

Read 43:02 about what Dr. Miron ALSO wrote.

June 14/19

RE: Miron report
Check at 40:00-40:02 to see what you call a lie.

June 14/19

Incompetent
Thanks to the non efforts of OCSD, their attempt not to solve the Heidi Allen case but to attempt to connect the Thibodeaus again in a case in Mass, a family now has closure. This entire time their lame attempts at trying to convince the public they were investigating missing Heidi Allen turned in to closure for another family, OCSD failed in linking the boys once again. So instead of focusing on this case. The idiots dragged another department in to their drama. If they put that much energy and effort in to Heidi's case they would have solved the case 25 years ago. One question Oakes explain how if Richard never went to Mass how is it you would have ever linked him to that crime when you have zero evidence linking him to any crime. Smh, you are a waiste of tax payer money and completely incompetent as a District Attorney. God bless the family who now has truth. Oakes may you rot in hell.

June 14/19

Hearing
That was Murray Miron at the Hearing, wasn’t it? The man who said ‘who do they think they’re kidding’.?

June 14/19

Goodsell
Man! Dean Goodsells name seems to come up a lot in the Heidi case/cover up. Hmmmmm.......Goodsell was an Investigator Lieutenant in OCSD and tight with Scruton, the Lt. at the time. Alan Goodsell was a Sgt., at OCSD. It's claimed the van was hidden in Deans mill. Goodsell made rank fast, and is tight as a fishes asshole with Todd and Scruton. Despite the fact he never took a test to make Lt..
Ask some old time deputies, if you weren't a good old boy, who went along..........you were out. Sheriff Hilton, save yourself, if it goes south, and it will, and you did nothing, it won't look good. Call in the feds.

June 13/19

Taped
Quit taping people's phones. Hilton if you want to chat name the time or place. I'll be there. Instead of tapping let's chat face to face.

June 13/19

Re: Dr. Miron
I have been qualified as expert witness and have testified in a number of Federal trial matters in this country and Canada in which these psycholinguistic

techniques have been employed and accepted into evidence.

On Wednesday, November 9,1994 at the invitation of the Oswego County Sheriff's Office, accompanied by Deputy William Cromie, I interviewed Debra

J. Moore, her son, Brent Moore, age 3, and members of the staff of the Catholic Charities Counseling Service.

As a result of these interviews, it is my professional opinion that Brent Moore's report of the certain events, pertinent to the disposal of Heidi Allen's

body, which he witnessed are true and accurate accounts of those events.

Specifically, it is my opinion that Brent Moore, witnessed Heidi Allen's body being transported in a van and then saw her body burnt in a garage shed

on the property of the Barlow residence located on Parkhurst Road, in the Town of Scriba.
,
Brent's account of these events, despite his young age, as told to his mother, Debra Moore, and the Catholic Charities Councilor, Camilia Utick,

have the characteristics which both research and experience associate with true and accurate reports.

My examination of the drawings made by Brent and his accounts of their representations, in my judgement, contain images which accurately reflect

the details of the Barlow residence and the location of Heidi Allen's remains.

Brent's behavior following the events he witnessed is entirely consistent with the expected sequelae of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Brent's

mother reports that he has had difficulty in sleeping, has had of somatic complaints, and stressful concerns regarding Heidi Allen.

In the course of my interview with Brent, he evidenced a mature understanding of the distinction between reality and pretense. He presents as an

active, alert, articulate and bright child. This picture is drastically different when the child is in the presence of his father, Richard Mitton. When he

visit his father, Brent does not talk and is quite frightened of him.

It is my considered professional opinion that Brent Moore's accounts of the events he reports have sufficient credibility to warrant further

investigation in pursuit of their ultimate physical confirmation in determining Heidi Allen's remains.

I declare under penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of New York, and that the foregoing i true and correct, and that I am competent to

testify to the same in court.

Executed this 11/09/04
Murray S. Miron

I WOULD SAY THAT THE PREVIOUS POSTER, REGARDING MURRAY S. MIRON'S STATEMENTS IS NOTHING BUT A FAIRY TALE. QUIT WITH YOUR LIES, THIS IS THE TRUTH! WHERE DID YOU GET THIS STATEMENT FROM?" Mr. Miron
Have you carefully read the document about the 3 1/2 year old boy?
While the first interview, Mr. Miron found the boy credible, by the second he couldn’t determine what caused the agitation he exhibited after going by the Barlow residence. Key phrase in the second interview was that Mr. Miron asked the boy if Heidi had also been shot in the foot and the boy replied Yes."
I BELIEVE THE STATEMENT I TYPED ABOVE. YOURS REMINDS ME OF THE LIES CERTAIN PEOPLE POSTED ON sYRACUSE . COM

June 13/19

Immunity to a liar.
Let's quote Greg Oakes. "Wescott wouldn't know the truth if it smacked her in the face." So here's a question for you Greg. What gave you the legal right knowing no matter what happened Wescott was going to lie, you admit she's a liar but illegally gave her immunity? Does that make any sense? Giving a citizen you admit lied to you, immunity for what purpose? So she could not be charged with perjury. What side of the law are you really on the gray side of the law?

June 13/19

Just noticed
Did you see the name of the Forewoman on Sharon Raposa’s Grand Jury. She related to Lisa Buske? Nah, can’t be.

June 13/19

High school
Oakes in high school. If the public only knew. He was not liked because he was a habitual liar. His worst enemy was one of Lisa's witnesses. Greg lied so bad in high school he had the reputation of a habitual liar. He had one friend Mark. His worst enemy use to toss his geeky ass in to the lockers. Oakes was a geek in school. Told tall tales. Ask his class mates. Ask his classmates also about his love hate affair with the wrestling team. If you good folks only knew the real Greg Oakes. Why he had 1 friend. LMAO Mark, Greg was your only friend. The majority couldn't stand your lying and labeled you an asshole then. Still think you are an asshole today.

June 13/19

re: TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE
Conversation Tracey Breckenridge, had with Roger Breckenridge. Appears to be a recorded statement from Tracey, while speaking with the OCSD!
#1 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: " I said what's going on?"
#2 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "He says, "I guess I got to get that van out of Murtaugh's"
#3 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "I says, why?" He said "Because it's got evidence in the back."
#4 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE:"I go, "What do you mean [by] evidence?"
#5 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: He goes, "There's blood on the backseat."

These quotes are from the Heidi Allen Files broadcast, from Matt Mulcahy . Just those 5 sentences prove Richard and Gary Thibodeau
had nothing to do with the kidnapping of Heidi Allen. They also confirm all that Tonya Priest told DA Greg Oakes! I am so irritated that the Oswego
County Sheriff's Department and the Oswego County District Attorney's Office, didn't listen to the truth tellers, but chose to go with the liars
stories!

June 13/19

Crime shows LMAO
That's about the stupidest comment yet. Trophies first off they keep trophies of their victim like a piece of hair, a watch, so on. Keep watching your crime shows you do need some more education lol. Crime shows lmao. Name one crime show where the object the accused kept was the very vehicle they used to kidnapp someone in. They don't. They burn, bury, sink or destroy them. What a stupid comment. You win idiot of the year award on that one. Ebby LMFAO its Walsh and Fahey. I've never in my life seen such stupidity in a post. Crime show this, your obviously guilty of one thing being a dumb ass. Boy do you have your facts backwards their PI.

June 13/19

Mr Bigs big black vic!
How frustrating sitting in our local breakfast house looking across at the towns GOOD OLE BOY the prick that has the answer to every question there is about Heidi Allens disappearance, a perfect example of how a N.Y.S becomes a tainted department. This past Sheriff has been so very lucky or skillful that his name is only mentioned in passing. Titus saw Heidi in that big black vic!. And you have not fooled everyone. We will speak soon.

June 12/19

Liar Dodd
Dodd lied to get this indictment. Look how it says that “it was a fact” that Sharon and Gary were in MA on April 3, 4, 5, 1994. By golly, how could that be a FACT if two police officers took their plate number at their residence in the evening of April 3 morning of April 4 AND she made transactions at local Oswego Businesses? By golly, that ‘FACT’ was dismissed in A COURT OF LAW. HAHAHAhahaha. Dodd can thank Greg for filing the indictment paperwork for us all to see this lie!!
Fact is, Dodd is a clever liar but there are people smarter that catch it. Do you really believe the words that come out of your mouth, Donnie?

June 12/19

Re: Bivens
Read the transcript pages that have been posted on this site of Bivens' partial testimony. On the oswegonylion, do a ctrl "F" and type Bivens. That would be the easiest way to find the testimony without looking at the whole site. You could do that with ANY key word.
Bivens changed his time that he drove by the D&W because LE told him what time they thought Heidi disappeared. 8-8:30 did not fit their theory.

June 12/19

Stinson replies to Fact check:
You can find my post on connections at 9/19/18. Or my original police statement.
Summary: I had worked with Curtis, and was acquainted with Easter morning customers
Swenszkoswki, Granger, and (learned) at least one more. They all worked at the Nuke Plant.
Since then, (off-the-top-of my-head), I worked with Kris Duell’s brother Jason, I’ve had
excavation done by Heidi's Uncle Russell, Uncle Don was my neighbor, My kid worked at the
store when she grew up.
I’ve crossed paths and maybe said, “Hello” with Brandon Roth (mocdwi), Wayne Mahar
(skywarn class), Hand & Hall (Dogs @ Longbranch park). It’s a small World.
I’ve even met Lisa Pebbles.

June 12/19

What If ………………. The shovel
Someone said Steen admitted Heidi was killed with a blow to the head with a shovel. Several people mentioned a shovel in the back of a deputy’s car during the search of Gary’s house and questioned what became of it. Some said it had some kind of tissue on it. Some speculate there was no tissue and had nothing to do with Heidi and that explains why there was no more mention of it.
What if Heidi was killed with a shovel?
What if the shovel in the back of the deputy’s car was that shovel?
What if he didn’t find the shovel at Gary’s but instead brought it there but a reporter saw him with it before he had a chance to drop it somewhere on Gary’s property?

June 12/19

Leads for Heidi
What about these leads? Oh, I know, they didn’t involve Gary and the second was probably drunk. Does that sound about right? Correct me if I’m wrong…Tyler testified at the hearing AND he was sober. What about the inmate that talked with the DA? Oh, I know that too. He was just trying to get a deal (go figure). These are just two found quickly from, you guessed it, Greg’s filing for the hearing. Thanks again Greg. Man, did you take the wrong path with your lie about the AG and not getting the FBI involved, or just agreeing to a new trial or (easier) just agreed to exoneration based on newly discovered evidence. “We” wouldn’t have even known about the withholding or ‘hiding’ of documents that way. But, then again, there wouldn’t have been more community chatter that may inspire someone who knows to come forward in whichever manner they choose. Sadly, Gary passed away in the meantime. L

Please Oswego DA’s office and OCSD, please turn your documents over to the public so we can investigate for you. Your job will be to question anyone “we” find particularly intriguing, for legal purposes. Accept my apology in advance, Mr. Hilton, if you are investigating. How about find out what Pietroski did with the text between Jenn Wescott and Dick Murtaugh?

June 12/19

Couple questions for Matt Mulcahy
Did you read all of Exhibit #46 from Greg’s filing for the hearing?

Did you find out what charge Bivens had that Judge McCarthy recused himself from Gary’s trial because he represented Bivens?

Bivens was connected to the Cowen’s who were Gary’s neighbors and also testified at the trial. Mr. Cowen was the neighbor who didn’t like Gary so he probably felt justified for testifying against Gary even though neither he nor his wife could positively ID Richard’s van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994. Mr. Neville is deceased. Wonder what his sons have to say now about what they remember from their statements and testimony back in 1994.

Mr. Stinson, that register transaction tape is Wrong. There is no way possible Heidi was kidnapped between 7:42 and 7:45. Too bad Matt Mulcahy didn’t find 2 transaction tapes as should have been in evidence.

June 12/19

Thank You OPD
Job well done by Oswego Police Department as they hauled 3 more people out of out of 177 East 2nd Street today in cuffs. Looked like rats scurrying off a sinking ship when OPD showed up. Unfortunately they let the big dogs slip away(next time). The suppliers were parked out in the back and somehow eluded the authorities. Hopefully this will calm things down a little but Fred and Tom still need to evict the rest and be more selective in renting. There had to be 35 people in and out today before the cops showed up. Now that's being popular.

June 12/19

First I would like to say that I enjoy reading the posts on this site.
Now to get down to business. I think gary and Richard are guilty. Richard is one lucky sob he should've rotted in prison right along side his brother. Some how he got lucky and ebby got him off the hook. Are this other bullshit is just what it is Bullshit. I watch a lot of crime shows and all the murderers and rapist keep trophies from there victims. Why do you think Richard has been whining about getting his van back for years.

June 12/19

General comment
It’s in the police notes from Greg’s filing about Gary’s sister getting a lawyer and declining to talk with LE. That part is not a secret for anyone who read ‘the entire’ filing. The secret was the Dr.’s report. Also secret is that Heidi did drugs with Brett. Also secret (not really) is that Brett in Fact treated Heidi like crap. (What do you expect from an older guy who had been around the block a time or two?) Now we have a first name. Those good citizen investigators will figure out who she was. Can’t express how much a coward and ___ Brett is for not standing up for the love of his life.

June 12/19

Dumb ass Sheriffs
Let's make this simple and go in the real direction. Kris Duell tells Matt Duell about the CI file. He's connected to Daniel Barney, and spreads the word about Allen. They then hire Allen, how convenient. Daniels connected to Steen, Breckenridge,Vanpatten, Richard Murtagh, Brett Law and Heidi Allen (school records Mexico N.Y. show several in the same class) Steen connected to Bohrer and Herm Jordal, Breckenridge and Wescott, Allen, Law, Barney, vise versa. Breckenridge is a brother in law to Herm Jordal sister. Herm Jordal sister worked for Murtagh and a long with the 3 amigos, Steen, Bohrer, Breckenridge. Jordal sister also was engaged to Clark Hamilton Senior who also junked scrap and bought his coke off Herm Jordal or Michael Bohrer, he was very close to both of them. Clark owned a off white, white rusted van, even Bohrer would drive they used for junking. That van vanished. If you'd like idiot Sheriffs debunk those connections. It's impossible. You can't here's why. Jordal sister is Herms biological sister. Where did Herm live, he lived right down the road from the D&W Store in little Texas. If you'd like I'll give you all their addresses. Jordal sister married Breckenridge brother she knows both Wescott and Breckenridge, the junk yard man Murtagh the 2 other nimrods. She works for Murtagh, has on and off for years along with Jim Brow Sr and she's worked along side the 3 amigos. She lived in Fernwood with Clark Hamilton Senior on north fernwood road. Herm Jordal died at her residence of a heart attack. Herm is also connected to Bohrer, his best friend Bohrer himself tells you he was at home other than Herm Jordals the night before Heidi vanished. Bohrer and Herm were both dealing cocaine. Her son is best friends to Dean Goodsells nephew. That can easily be proven. Why can't you figure that out? Why because DMV reports won't date back to 1994 so you can track the real van. But it explains exactly how Bohrer found out about Heidi being a CI and the dropping of her CI file. As Duells are connected to Daniel Barney who is connected to Richard Murtagh. Who Murtagh is connected to Jordals himself and his sister, who's both connected to Bohrer. The asses stole Clark Hamilton's van to pull it off. You can not possible be that dumb to not figure that out. Records recent ones can prove the connection between the Jordal family and the Goodsell. Here's one last detail Murtaghs location of moving the 2nd van off Valley Road was Herm Jordals sister, her sons house prior to junking it in the fall of 1996. That location came straight out of the junk yard man himself for the world to see online. Prison records and police reports can prove the drug connections, the raids of Herm Jordals house and confirm drug connections with many family members of Herms. The 3 who pulled the van out were Murtagh, Wescott, and Breckenridge then parked it at Dean Goodsells mill he owned for one night before a flat bed red truck picked it up the following morning. In 96 where you saw Roger you saw Wescott. That explain at all why Wescott won't come forward? Those are the facts. If you can't handle them, to bad. All the media shit, everything you read or see from the Sheriffs are nothing but lies. After reading all the guessing all the lies. Its ridiculous.
Even though Kris Duell insists she did not tell her husband, Matt Duell. She also insisted she told no one. That was a lie. Question everything about Kris Duell the idea a wife does not inform her husband or the 2nd owner of the store of the dropped ci card and having to meet w an officer to turn it over. Must of just slipped her mind. Impossible!!! She should be deemed unreliable and maybe if the Sheriffs actually stopped trying to play head games with the public and went in that direction, gave her a lie detector, along with her husband and connected just as I did here. You'd figure it out. Remember this post. When the truth comes out as it always does. You'll find this lead, this info is fact. Take it or leave it, all this guessing. Not a one of you got it right.

June 12/19

The Documentary
Yes this is the same person. They also mention the house is the BARLOW residence. The Barlows are somehow related to either Crawford or the Thibodeau's themselves. I am glad someone else caught that connection. All of the Pro-Thibodeau postings comes from Amanda Crawford and a couple of the Barlow's. Surprising they didn't point out this fact themselves lol.

June 11/19

Mr. Miron
Have you carefully read the document about the 3 1/2 year old boy?
While the first interview, Mr. Miron found the boy credible, by the second he couldn’t determine what caused the agitation he exhibited after going by the Barlow residence. Key phrase in the second interview was that Mr. Miron asked the boy if Heidi had also been shot in the foot and the boy replied Yes.
What has LE done over the past years to try to reinvestigate any claims from 1994/1995 if it wasn’t only about Richard or Gary.?
LE checked Richards van again before they returned it upon Gary’s death. They sent DNA samples to MA about a missing person case in which a perp was matched and imprisoned for a clerk’s murder there. They checked Rice Road with 3 cadaver dogs indicating, found nothing from forensic digging but then brought a small excavator to dig the site without ME.
They didn’t do it! Find who lured her, killed her and disposed of her! Hold THEM accountable and anyone who has been complicit in this cover-up of the Truth. Sounding like they’ll fill a block just by themselves.

June 11/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
I would like to say something about Gary's confession that Dodd said on the recent doc.
Bull. You must be kidding. Jenn W. gave strong info and the OCSD ignored it. Who do you think you're kidding Oswego...remember that quote from a "guy" at the 2014 hearing....( err lynching )?
Everyone keep the pressure on. Those that can help solve this case, contact Lisa Pebbles...not the OCSD they'll just throw it away....time for everyone to step up and revenge Heidi and Gary's deaths.
Remember what Tonya said about one of the investigators saying..." I don't care if Heidi is ever found."
Think if this was your child and the LE took that attitude.

June 11/19

Bivens
Why didn't the OCSD ask Bivens what time he drove by the store. I couldn't find it in t he Statement of Facts..( Oxymoron ). He said 8-8:30..lol this is their star witness who probably changed his mind after ( imo ) after MB got the DWI fax and talked to him about it...why else would Mike Bohere get a fax from the DA's office? I think the new sheriff has to ask for the FBI's help...he better or he'll be unemployed soon.

June 11/19

Fact Check yourself Dodd.
The correction officer is also linked to none other than the very man who arrived just as Richard did at the dnw store. Whoever posted the links between Bivens, Stitson and Mr. S himself nailed most of the connections on so far. So you have Cormey connecting the dots to Gene Austin aka Gene Cory. Gene leads you straight to the Swenszkowski family. Connect them Dodd maybe now you'll comprehend why that 3 year old little boy was so important. Whoever posted the connection with Stitson please repost that information.

June 11/19

"Street Cred"
So Greg Oakes DA, please explain about the huge brady violation that was done by you and Donald Dodd! So Dr. Murray S. Miron, a psychologist who advised the Federal Bureau of Investigation about the minds of criminals for two decades, was just getting "Street Cred" when he interviewed the young boy about seeing Heidi with snakes and bugs crawling over her, and then shot by a police officer in black boots? Please reference the diagrams attached to this email, drawn by an Oswego County Sheriff's Deputy. Explain that. Especially the one notation that says:"Corrections Officer, Auburn, has connections". But the name, which is written, is unrecognizable. What's his name Greg? Also, you discounted, yet another FBI agent, Clinton R. VanZant, a Supervisor in the FBI's internationally renowned Behavioral Science Unit at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. He was also the FBI's Chief Hostage Negotiator and , was the leader of the analytical team recognized with identifying the "Unabomber." Mr. Van Zandt accurately profiled Oklahoma City Federal Building Bomber Timothy McVeigh on the day of that fateful bombing. His take on Heidi's kidnapping was, "the Thibodeau brothers did not add up to my profile".
Are you implying that you and Donald Dodd, know more than these two world renowned men? That is so obtuse that I am laughing at you two fools while I type. I don't vote for liars, remember that at the next election. Hopefully someone finally cares enough about the crimes you, Donald Dodd, Reuel Todd, and Donald Todd, have committed. You have made a mockery of our county, and all of need to be held responsible for your misdeeds! This is only the beginning, be looking, more to follow!

June 9-10/19

The Documentary
A 3 ½ year old boy sees Heidi in a van with bugs & snakes, and shot.
The father of the little boy in your documentary is Richard Mitten.
Theresa Crawford has a half brother named Richard Mitten (Gary’s court transcript 2248)
She lived with Richard Thibodeau (t 2259)
April 9th, Gary & Richard Thibodeau and Mitten and their girlfriends all drove together, to join
the search for Heidi (t 2280)
Same Guy?

June 9-10/19

Bingo
The van taken off Gary's property was a decoy. Cut and dry. Here's another key everyone thinks she was taken for cocaine to cover up a coke ring. Ask Wescott how much in cocaine Breckenridge was given to take part in the kidnapping. She should know.

June 7-8/19

Coke drops
Here are known coke drop off points in the 90's. Air drops witnessed in Sandy Pond, multiple campers witnessed and reported at East Coast Resorts a plane landing on the water in the middle of the night and they felt they were smuggling in drugs. Harriett Drive, Pulaski, a plane was also landing beside then Jim Brows property/junk yard. Many citizens reported here on the lion and all over the internet witnessed countless planes through out the night, rumors of coke and coke drops at Oswego airport that butts to Richard Murtagh property/junkyard. Multiple witnesses. Yet, they can't find the coke ring. Write down everyone involved in these locations. It brings you back to Murtagh, Steen, Bohrer, Breckenridge. Those are facts Greg, you are a lowsy DA. THIS IS WHY, take the time to speak to the good citizens of OZ you'll find the witnesses you need to prove it, you can back it by the fact there's documentation confirming millions in cocaine found at Oswego airport not even a decade prior to Heidi vanishing. Oakes either has blinders on or he's as corrupt as the day is long.

June 7-8/19

RE: Bullshit Dodd
Lest we forget the other minor that testified --She didn’t state to police until March 1995, the same month Sharon was charged with perjury, that she saw Richards van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994. Other witnesses claimed to have seen a van but could not ID it as Gary’s even though they had seen Richards van more than 10, more than 20 times at Gary’s. What was Gary’s testimony of Richards van-that it was at his house the weekend AFTER to pick Sharon and him up to search? Gary’s testimony about that WAS NOT A LIE. Yup, Gary, makes sense with other facts. It’s called corroboration which, apparently, LE in 1994/1995 and now in the Oswego County Sheriff’s Office investigating Heidi’s disappearance, have no idea of what it means.

I could not imagine what it probably was like to be questioned, in a court of law, in front of the community. My heart breaks for what those two witnesses must have gone through. Dodd is very psychological with his words and mannerisms. Have you seen the photo of how he leaned in, bent over with his hands behind his back as he spoke to Sharon on the stand? Did you hear how he repeated “confessed” during Matt’s documentary when referring to the inmates. (Boy, what a lie. It’s in police notes and trial testimony that the inmates did NOT say Gary confessed. To set you straight, Dodd, what the inmates said was that they thought he had something to do with Heidi’s disappearance. What they also testified to, on the record, was that they would eavesdrop on his phone conversations home. But you are too smart to know that they would then ask him questions about what they heard. Duh!! That’s how they would know about a case in NY. REAL Facts don’t matter, now do they dodd?) People that can catch on to what he was doing know exactly why he was doing it….to intimidate, hoping for some kind of slip-up to use it against her and/or Gary. Amanda--I admire your integrity and fortitude to take the stand on your uncle’s behalf.

Gary is innocent of kidnapping or killing Heidi and anyone who knows what happened-either who took her, who killed her, or where her remains are/were-lawyer up and talk to the FEDS. This is an open missing person case. Set the record straight For Gary and Heidi!! Lest Karma happens for your family.

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/heidi-allen-files-digital-premiere-of-documentary-friday-at-8pm Thank you, Matt Mulcahy and John O’Brien for inspiring others to want more information-correct information. Looking forward to more because there are still unanswered questions. Thank you to the current Oswego Sheriff administration for your timely response to Matt Mulcahy. Thank you to all who spread the Truth.

June 7-8/19

Van Patten
Unless Van Patten's the one who resigned there was another deputy who may have witnessed the murder? or maybe heard the details firsthand? I was recently told that during the search there was one deputy who resigned after displaying very emotional behavior. I was told he said "They cut her up in little pieces and burned her" to another volunteer searcher. I haven't followed the case very closely but does this sound right?

June 7-8/19

The documentary
I wish they would put it on Youtube to be watched again.

Matt showed me some things I didn't know.

And the punchline of the day goes to Dodd..." see here is Gary confessing"...Don Dodd. Well if he confessed, why have a trial?

Not once since 2014 has anyone mentioned that he confessed..

Nice try Dodd, just more ammo for the FBI to use.

June 7-8/19

It’s Stinson not Stitson
And don’t thank me. I’m not on your side. I don’t believe that the cash register tape was
tampered with.
I just maintain that the cash register had to be set daily, and could have been 2 minutes fast.
Per the Cash Register Tape:
Wiltsie bought a paper at 0740
Swenszkoswki bought cigarettes at 0741
Thibodeau bought cigarettes at 0742
Wiltsie said he set his watch to 0735 at the Methodist Church and drove to the D&W.
The Church is just under one mile from the store. At 35 mph it takes exactly 2 minutes. (I drove
it) Walk in and buy a paper… That’s 3 minutes not 5.
That would put Wiltsie at 0738, Swenszkoswki at 0739, Thibodeau at 0740 and Stinson at
0740-41 - as I have always claimed.
Can’t prove it - Just my theory.
But I’m not Wiltsie. Maybe he’s a slow driver or a slow shopper and didn’t get to the counter until

June 7-8/19

New Drug House
The newest drug house in Oswego is 177 East 2nd Street. Cars come and go all day long, people in and out with their "goods". Drive by any time of day and you will see a Who's Who of Oswego's "finest" law abiding citizens. This apartment house has 4 Apartments and 3 of them are "In Business" The owner of this property has been warned about his tenants but doesn't seem to care. It's all about the HUD money he collects each month. No one in this house has a job but certainly have money to party all day long. CPS was at the house 2 days ago as there are children living there but of course they did nothing and the kids are still there...... Had to take a little break from writing this email as the Police were visiting the house again. 4th time this week they have been there. Let's clean this city up!! Let's go Mayor Barlow.

June 7-8/19

Gary's Day
Abuse of power, here's that definition. Joe Arpaio arrested by FBI for illegal prosecutions of citizens. FBI, calling his time a "Reighn of Terror."
When you violate Due Process and take away a citizens constitutional rights. You are in violation of Due Process. Greg and Dodd you may want to read the constitution of the United States.
You are also by FBI standards a threat to society. Here's what the FBI said about Joe and his BOGUS prosecutions they were UNACCEPTABLE. So shall theirs be.
May they come for you both Dodd and Gregory Oakes.
Just as in the past, there was Donnies Day. Maybe now Gary can have Gary's day.

June 7-8/19

I have a better suggestion
How about......Have the controlling wife stick a boot up Rob Ramseys a$$! He is such an idiot. The man is seriously stupid.

June 7-8/19

Trump admin tells U.S. embassies they can't fly pride flag on flagpoles https://a.msn.com/r/2/AACy7hR?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

June 7-8/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Is Dodd having blood clots?

Said GT confessed but the guy he confessed to ..Balasdaro now says he didn't.

Sweating Dodd? I know you'll throw everyone under the bus...I would..lol.

All those holes in the inv, the lies the fake evidence, running around the truth..

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC...the liars ran up the clock.....too late guys time to go to prison.

June 6/19

Official's Climate Warning Blocked Because It Didn't 'Jibe' With Trump's View:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cfb3eefe4b04e90f1c9b942

June 7-8/19

Today's Quote June 7/2019

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/benjamin_franklin

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/benjamin_fran

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.
Benjamin Franklin

Stinson to Common Sense
My apologies, I see where you got 7:45. It is in the transcript of Gary's trial @ tr1740. It says,
Curtiss arrived at 7:45 and notified dispatch at 7:55.
Pretty busy 3 minutes as you see on my previous post.

June 6/19

What's next?
With the new bombshell evidence revealed on the CNY Central special Wednesday night, I am shocked Syracuse.com or CNY Central itself doesn't appear to be digging any deeper into this. Will they attempt to interview the boy now he's older? Will Lisa Peebles introduce this as part of a new Brady Violation? Dodd says this hidden file was handed over as the evidence in the trials...but we know that's a lie. Please, somebody do something with this!

June 6/19

To Stinson
All done in 3 minutes? That was my first thought when I read this in 2014.
I thought about having guys drive to store to see if it was clear to kidnap her.
Anyone who followed this inv. would find it suspicious. And Todd, why didn't he want the FBI's help?

Only someone who was involved would do that.
Was he involved...don't know but start the popcorn and have a seat.

Maybe now we'll find out who was really responsible and let them sit in prison like an innocent man did.

June 6/19

Dunkin Drive Thru
Heard that the Ex-Pervert Mayor, you know, the one on the sex offenders list, John J Gosk, got the job to do all the electrical for the new Dunkin Disaster. Wonder whose ass he kissed and what kind of payback was involved? Under the table money to the Barlow campaign or is this a payback for John Gosk Jr. doing all that free sidewalk and driveway work on Barlow's fathers house on Erie St? Only in Oswego!

VanPatten
I’ll probably end up dead for mentioning this but.. the 3 year old says he seen a “policeman with black boots shoot Heidi in the head”, going back to Heidi Allen’s diary.. she talks of a sheriff deputy having a crush on her and stalking her... moving back to a “policeman dropping her CI card”.. going all the way back to when sheriffs being notified of Heidis disappearance. A “sheriff deputy was flagged down and happened to be sitting right on Albright road” what’s the connection with all of this? Every one of these were benign withheld by the sheriffs and DA. who’s the deputy who keeps coming up? 👮🏻♂️(posted publically online for the world to see)
Van patten oh where or where did you go? Hopefully to fn prison. You were also the officer that went to Richards the morning of Easter. Was easy wasn't it Van Patten once you found someone with a white van. Sick bastard. Everyone's catching on. If Oakes doesn't do what's right and just. I'm certain men in suits will. They'll take Greg down with you. Tick tock ya bastard. Looks like they just rung your fn clock.
I’ll probably end up dead for mentioning this but.. the 3 year old says he seen a “policeman with black boots shoot Heidi in the head”, going back to Heidi Allen’s diary.. she talks of a sheriff deputy having a crush on her and stalking her... moving back to a “policeman dropping her CI card”.. going all the way back to when sheriffs being notified of Heidis disappearance. A “sheriff deputy was flagged down and happened to be sitting right on Albright road” what’s the connection with all of this? Every one of these were benign withheld by the sheriffs and DA. who’s the deputy who keeps coming up? 👮🏻♂️(posted publically online for the world to see)
Van patten oh where or where did you go? Hopefully to fn prison. You were also the officer that went to Richards the morning of Easter. Was easy wasn't it Van Patten once you found someone with a white van. Sick bastard. Everyone's catching on. If Oakes doesn't do what's right and just. I'm certain men in suits will. They'll take Greg down with you. Tick tock ya bastard. Looks like they just rung your fn clock.

June 6/19

Stinson to Common Sense
You’re right, we've beaten this timeline to death. But I will add one more thing… I just reread my
3 statements given on April 3rd. (short, long & longer). Between the three of them I clearly told
Investigator Yerdon that I arrived about 7:40 and had been in the store about 15 minutes and
waved the deputy in at 7:58. Signed the day of, before anyone knew it was going to be huge.

June 6/19

Bullshit Dodd
Dodd I call bullshit. Did you claim you did not call this child or his mother to the stand because he was a child. I call bullshit on your pathetic assinin excuses. You called Amanda Crawford another child to the stand. Did you not? You tore in to her as if she was a hostile witness. You lying pos, you used anyone and anything you could to push your bullshit conviction on Gary Thibodeau. You didn't use him because it destroyed your case and you were running for election in the spring of 95, Todd called it Donnies Day. You are a liar, in turn Greg covered for you. Is Greg also going to claim he never saw this file or ever spoke to anyone in the FBI seeing as the Sheriffs sent this report to them. Please you two are two peas in a pod, both are rotten lying cowards. Hilton you have all grounds for immediate arrests. Where are you? We voted you in for a reason.

June 6/19

Mulcahy was correct
It seems Murtagh and Breckenridge family find this entire thing humorous. I never knew the brutal death of a teen was so funny. Demented post. Boy are these people making the Sheriffs look awful. Its all fun and games Murtagh til the cops show up. Remember that. Maybe the next ones knocking will bring with them a warrant for your arrest. Won't be funny then will it?

June 6/19

Stitson I shake your hand
Stitson is dead on if you look at the paperwork you'll find a written receipt with the last check out time as 716 am. Its crossed off. Replaced with 742. I'm certain that pos vanpatten or Curtis had something to do with that. The times wrong period. Several witnesses saw much action around 730 am that morning at the store. Including Brett law Bronco, Dan Barney red truck. Low and behold these witnesses that saw action at the store around 730 am were never used. Line it up and the 716 fits. Richard cashed out at 716, these idiots arrive around 730 am, Curtis 12 minutes later. How do we know 730. Use the witnesses they neglected to call because it didn't fit their time. Clocks are off a half hour, atleast on the register. Because everything went down around 730. That's why Stitson arriving at 742 saw nothing. Hes being honest, fourth coming and repeats the same exact thing over and over and over again. There will be no arrests its OZ the place that keeps lying over and over again. Those in power are the reason she was taken and has never been found. 2 lives taken that day. Too bad it wasn't one of you assholes involved that vanished or ended up in prison. Wescott you better beg God to remember you. You are already going to hell. Murtagh seems to find it humorous. I wonder what he will feel like when Lisa's the last one laughing. Murtagh smh..Jim Brows name was also coughed up. Whoops. You obviously think the public's as stupid as you.

June 6/19

Today's Quote June 6/2019

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.

Oscar Wilde

D Day June 5 th
Dodd Day ………..Great job, Matt Mulcahey, for exposing the corruption in the Oswego District Attorney’s Office.

June 6/19

A police man with black boots huh?
Dodd, Todd and Nellis withheld evidence, covered up and obstructed the Allen case.
A three year old visting his father, who was associated with the possible suspects, told his Mother on return home, he saw "a policeman with black boots"shoot Heidi Allen and help dispose of her by burning. No three year old would make that up as he was too little to be aware of the ongoing matter. The psychiatrist who interviewed the kid, at length, states unequivocally, the kid was telling the truth. Dodd, Nellis and the others with held this from the defense, in additipn, the story circulating was she was killed and burned. How would a three year old be aware of that? In addition, Murtaugh admitted he disposed of a van that had a rolled up rug in the back, for some people thought to be connected. The van matched the description of the one a witness said took her.
They are covering thier own quite possibly. The higher ups refused ANY outside help.
This stinks.

June 6/19

Worthless lying little F**KS the two of them.
Every case Don Dodd or Greg Oaks prosecuted or was involved in as District Attorneys or assistants should be re examined if not reopened

June 6/19

Murtaugh
By the way, Murtaugh told cops a rolled up rug in the van was there when he disposed of it. All of his employees lawyered up.

June 6/19

Sick
Dodd what you did is nothing less than criminal. Obstruction of justice, with holding information to protect a police officer. If Hilton can't seem to find the dignity he needs, maybe feds will start issuing arrests, these files were intentionally hidden to protect an officer. None of you are above the law. There is 0 again accountability or integrity in this case. Dodd this time you were in deed caught red handed. Greg Oakes following suit your charges should mirror Dodds along with Mark Moody. Sick DA office and completely demented sheriff dept. So which sheriff was it. Curtis, Vanpatten, Wheeler??? My gutt says VANPATTEN!!!! WHERE IN THE HELL IS THE INTEGRITY HILTON PREECHES. FIND IT AND ISSUE ARRESTS. The only good thing this has done is your hunt to link Gary a family in Mass was given closure. The damn blood hounds have more sense than you shit ass good ol boys. I hear cuffs..its time.

June 6/19

Dodd
Gary died for no reason. None. Dodd should be held accountable along with Greg Oakes and mark Moody.

June 6/19

THE VAN
THEY STOLD AN UNLICENSED VAN FROM GARY’S PROPERTRY HOPING TO SUBSTITUTE IT FOR THE ONE HEIDI WAS KILLED IN. WHEN IS THE FBI GOING TO STEP IN AND START PUTTING THESE PEOPLE IN JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG????????????

June 6/19

To Stinson
Looks like you arrived after Heidi was taken. That's obvious. Was the clock used to set up the T. brothers?

My posts were not addressed to you, rather hoping someone could explain what happened.

Sorry if I caused you any problems or stress.

I will not post anymore about the timeline.

Rather hoping all this ends up in the hands of the DOJ or the FBI and they solve it.

So sorry, just trying to jar someone that may know what happened in a very suspicious case.

June 6/19

Stinson to Common Sense
So you think she had a transaction at 7:42 and the cops were waved in at 7:45?
Thibodeau buys cigarettes at 7:42
Pays, exits the store, gets in his van, moves it to the steps or waits for Swenkowski to get out of
his way (Depends who you ask) and leaves.
(Maybe another vehicle arrives to abduct Heidi)
Bivens is stuck in heavy traffic at the intersection and sees “husky guys and bear hugs.”
Pearce drives by in “slush & snow? and sees whatever…”
All that is over with. Heidi is gone.
I arrive, park, enter the store and wait for the clerk (I thought in the bathroom?)
Another customer arrives and puts down money for a paper.
Another customer does the same.
I wait a few minutes, call out, check the bathroom & customer side of the store.
I wait for another customer. (a few minutes)
Pat Granger arrives, gets $5 of gas and enters the store,
John Glenister arrives, We all talk, check the whole store. (a few minutes)
I walk outside to check the outside and see the Sheriff at the corner.
All in 3 minutes?
The cops had all the time in the world to check my time while I was writing a statement that
morning and again in the afternoon. (the statements said I arrived 7:40)
I just wish all those cops who were checking store clocks had walked outside to the patrol car I
was writing a report in.
Instead Inv. Hall came to my house 4 days later, and we determined I may have arrived as late
as 7:41 based on my Home clock. Remember, the wife was setting the clock as I walked out the
door on April 3rd. That's where my Timeline started.
We couldn’t check it against the cash register. It had been shut on/off 4 times.
I’ll stick to my timeLine. I arrived at 7:40-1,(based on MY clock) flagged the cop in at 7:58 ish?

June 6/19

How does it feel Martha Sturtz
You and you’re a$$hole husband delivered Heidi to her killers.

June 6/19

Heidi Allen special Tonight At 7 PM On Channel 3 …….

ONE YEARE IN THE MAKING

"Let me tell you the story of Heidi Allen.." from our @CNYcentral war room

where we discussed the case for the "Heidi Allen Files"

airing this Wednesday June 5th 7pm on NBC 3.

Don't miss it!

Tic Toc

I am in agreement. Start saving yourselves. Its time. The public already knows the truth. Its out. Just as Wescott said. Jump ship or sink with it.

June 5/19

Stinson writes:

Again, On April 7th Investigator Hall took me back to the store to compare my clock with the

cash register time. It is my understanding that The Cash register was “broken” to the extent that

the register (or power to it) was shut of each evening. The Clerk on the following day would turn

it on, set the time and it would keep time until shut off in the evening.

I can’t explain the clock conundrum any better today than 25 years ago.

You should get Investigator Halls report from 3/7/94 to see how my clock compared to his watch

and the Timeline. For all I know, He reconciled it or totally dismissed my time as wrong.

You seem to be asking me this over and over. If you’re hoping for a freudian slip. Good luck.

All I can do is be a Witness. I wrote my statements (the day of), I testified in court, I personally

initiated a meeting with Lisa Pebbles (to ensure she had all my statements), I’ve called the DA’s

office (if I had a concern) and I answer every question on this site. (with my name)

Not once since 1995 have the police, the lawyers, the DA or the Media tried to contact me.

Btw, I was at the counter with the police when Kris Duell arrived and opened the register. When

all their watches and store clocks were checked I don’t remember.

June 5/19

Today's Quote June 4/2019

If you want a thing done well, do it yourself.
Napoleon Bonaparte

To NYSP
Delbert Shaw, along with his side kick significant other are in South Carolina.

June 4/19

HEIDI ALLEN

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/nbc3s-heidi-allen-files-to-reveal-hidden-

document-in-case-of-missing-oswego-county-teen

Chatter is picking up on this new documentary coming. Many are asking and guessing what the dirty DA will say to get out of this. By the previews alone another Brady Violation and obviously they broke the law prosecuting Gary Thibodeau. Hopefully it's enough to spark arrests by outside forces. June 5th at 7 pm you are not going to want to miss this. There is more coming out than what the preview is telling. Dodd, Oakes, Moody, Todd brothers. You all deserve prison a long with the criminals you are protecting. Hilton what is it you are doing to help anyone. You have also watched this unfold. You truly stand by Todd's conviction? How about Hilton not a one of them has ever been held accountable.

June 4/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Timeline:

- Stinson arrives at 7:41 ( his words )
- Flags deputy down at 7:45.
- Deputy calls in at 7:55..time confirmed by OCSD person
- Duell opens cash register at 8:16 with Deputy there. They confirm the time with deputy's watch. All the same time.
- Deputy earlier checked time on register, wall clock and his watch..all the same time.

This proves that not only was the clock right, but that the register was not broken the day Heidi was kidnapped.

Stinson was there from 7:41 to after 8 am...but never saw anyone or anything.

Was the time on register changed by Duell when the deputy was there?

Stinson and deputy confirm his arrival time on April 7th..7:41 is his arrival time.

I am not accusing Stinson or suggesting he had anything to do with the crime but how can this be? There were other people that arrived after Stinson was their time confirmed?

Who opened the cash register at 4 am that morning. Well it can't be too hard to find out. NEVER WAS INVESTIGATED ( imo ).

I think we all know what really happened in this case...GT was set up.

I'd like to ask Bohere if he did receive a fax from the DA's DWI file and is so did he talk to Bivens and sway him to change their story about the color of the van? Because I think the "three" did it with others helping with a cover up.

Mrs. Fabin changed her story to id RT's van but stated it was light blue when it was behind her in Mexico.

Bivens changed his story from light blue to white and id RT's van only after saying it wasn't RT's van 2-3 times.

Another person told the OCSD that he saw a blue van speeding on the road and did a U-turn...again blue. But said the OCSD wouldn't listen to him..hmmm. Cover up? You bet.

Did the police look for a light blue van? Why did they change their stories and the color of the van?

The FBI will walk thru this fiasco. This is a tragedy and a joke...so many mistakes and deliberate actions by some of the deputies.

Tell me, what goes on at 3-4 AM at the airport that was so important that the people living nearby reported seeing county issued vehicles going in there but it was never investigated!!! MOE, you care to tell us?

TIC TOC TIC TOC...

The truth always comes out sooner or later.
I said in 2014 on the Peeledonion.com there were a lot more people involved in this then people think.

BETTER SAVE YOURSELF BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE TURNS STATES EVIDENCE FOR TOTAL IMMUNITY...OR GO TO PRISON.

June 4/19

Tammy Mahoney
Everyone knows but still no trial.

He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder.

Thomas Sullivan is a blend of Mohawk and Irish. And he looks it. With a handsome mug complete with bright eyes, he is a magnificent storyteller.
During his annual Native American history display last Friday Aug. 7 in Syracuse, he talked in circles about his people as he explained the images.
He put the show up on Oswego Blvd in that little triangle of grass across from the Erie Canal Museum, one block north of city hall. It actually started across the street at the rock, which commemorates the Onondagas helping settlers in Syracuse.
The show (see gallery at cnylink.com) is a series of photographs, paintings and graphic images that give life to the Native American experience from the Iroquois Nation across the great plains, through Wounded Knee and out to the Pacific Coast.
He doesn't sugarcoat their story. He points to photographs of markers that note where the savages were killed by the new colony's army; often after helping settlers to adjust to their new land. There was a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Sullivan explains how he gave the order to hang 17 native Americans. He was backed into it politically, but still he did it. Sullivan talked about how George Washington was a monster, as he sent his army to slaughter the same Indians who came and fed his army when they were trapped at Valley Forge.
Throughout the show there are several images of young white girls. These are young women, Sullivan says who disappeared and are thought to be buried on the Onondaga Nation. One was found dead, naked in a blanket. Her death was ruled accidental because of exposure. He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder. Recounting seeing a young man covered in blood come to his mother's house that very night. He also names Indians who worked as informants for the American Government at Wounded Knee. And talks about how throughout history whenever an Indian aided an abbeded the United States, they often paid dearly at the hands of those they were working for.
So, while walking through his exhibit, and hearing his stories -- often citing the oral tradition of his elders, one wonders -- "whose side is Tommy Sullivan on?" Over time, it becomes apparent that he is after the truth.
He said, after his activism in Columbus Square, trying to get the way the Indians were depicted off the monument (he says inaccurately), he is persona non-gratis. The Post Standard won't cover him and city hall won't speak to him.
So, is he a rabble rowser? He prefers to think of himself as an activist, and ultimately, a man of peace.
What he is really after is a city park dedicated to the local native Americans. And he thinks the triangle of land that he takes over once a year would be perfect. As there it sits, unoccupied and silent across from the Erie Canal Museum, which tells the story of building the Empire State.
What do you think? Write us at city@cnylink.com.
To learn more about Tommy Sullivan read Shepperd's City Scuffle blog Holding the Rock.Thomas Sullivan is a blend of Mohawk and Irish. And he looks it. With a handsome mug complete with bright eyes, he is a magnificent storyteller.
During his annual Native American history display last Friday Aug. 7 in Syracuse, he talked in circles about his people as he explained the images.
He put the show up on Oswego Blvd in that little triangle of grass across from the Erie Canal Museum, one block north of city hall. It actually started across the street at the rock, which commemorates the Onondagas helping settlers in Syracuse.
The show (see gallery at cnylink.com) is a series of photographs, paintings and graphic images that give life to the Native American experience from the Iroquois Nation across the great plains, through Wounded Knee and out to the Pacific Coast.
He doesn't sugarcoat their story. He points to photographs of markers that note where the savages were killed by the new colony's army; often after helping settlers to adjust to their new land. There was a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Sullivan explains how he gave the order to hang 17 native Americans. He was backed into it politically, but still he did it. Sullivan talked about how George Washington was a monster, as he sent his army to slaughter the same Indians who came and fed his army when they were trapped at Valley Forge.
Throughout the show there are several images of young white girls. These are young women, Sullivan says who disappeared and are thought to be buried on the Onondaga Nation. One was found dead, naked in a blanket. Her death was ruled accidental because of exposure. He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder. Recounting seeing a young man covered in blood come to his mother's house that very night. He also names Indians who worked as informants for the American Government at Wounded Knee. And talks about how throughout history whenever an Indian aided an abbeded the United States, they often paid dearly at the hands of those they were working for.
So, while walking through his exhibit, and hearing his stories -- often citing the oral tradition of his elders, one wonders -- "whose side is Tommy Sullivan on?" Over time, it becomes apparent that he is after the truth.
He said, after his activism in Columbus Square, trying to get the way the Indians were depicted off the monument (he says inaccurately), he is persona non-gratis. The Post Standard won't cover him and city hall won't speak to him.
So, is he a rabble rowser? He prefers to think of himself as an activist, and ultimately, a man of peace.
What he is really after is a city park dedicated to the local native Americans. And he thinks the triangle of land that he takes over once a year would be perfect. As there it sits, unoccupied and silent across from the Erie Canal Museum, which tells the story of building the Empire State.
What do you think? Write us at city@cnylink.com.
To learn more about Tommy Sullivan read Shepperd's City Scuffle blog Holding the Rock.

June 4/19

Mick Mulvaney: 'Not Unreasonable' To Ask Navy To Move John McCain Warship
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cf3dd08e4b0a1997b6bf82b

June 4/19

Trump Uses Warship Scandal To Rip John McCain Again
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cefdb19e4b07e067d8a03ad

June 4/19

Something again doesn't make sense at the D&W
Timeline at the D&W
"I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42"...Stinson

Not to be accusing you but how did you know the clock was broken ( set by Heidi at 5:55 AM ) when the deputy matched his watch, the wall clock and the cash register time...and all were the same.

At 8:16 AM Duell opened the cash register with the deputy and they matched its time with deputy's watch and again it all matched.

What happened before the 3rd with clock has nothing to do with the fact that the time was right according ot Duell and the deputy.

Of course only if they are telling the truth. The fact that the OCSD didn't even go after the tape for April 3rd until August of that year sends up red flags.

You don't have to, but could you give your opinion on what you thought happened that morning at the D&W.

Something doesn't pass the smell test..not saying you were involved but if the did change the time how could they have done it with transactions before RT got there from other customers and verifying their time the entered and then left.

There is a lot of activity that points to police involvement ie: MB getting a DWI fax from the DA's office?????
one lying on the Grand Jury stand, Oakes getting caught in a lie by Matt Mulcahey (sp).

JW telling enough info to turn this case around...and a host of other things.

Just curious about letting a guy die and a girl die because of drugs.

"And when I strike down with great avenges to those that have hurt my brothers"...Pulp Fiction quote Samuel Jackson.

June 4/19

WHAT? Heidi Allen
Isn't suspicious that Oakes gave Lisa P. all that evidence just 2 days, on a Friday or Saturday before the trial?

Isn't also that Heidi's sister is happy with the conviction (?) even though the second guy was not found or convicted?

Also that Jenn W. gave a lot of info to the OCSD and they did nothing with it.

And Heidi being confirmed by a deputy that he did sign her as a CI?

And no one looked for a blue vann or checked MB who owned a white van as testimony by a guy who borrowed it to junk with at the time of the crime?

And MB gets a fax from the DA's DWI file?

And Oakes stating the GT went to MA around the 3rd but two deputies that were watching him said the car never left.

And Dodd being caught in a lie by Lisa P.

And Jenn W. saying she didn't know anything but then said she did and the OCSD didn't do anything with the info.

And OCSD inv. erasing Jenn's phone texts?

And someone texting Steen..CIAO Heidi...means see you later in Italian. They had the owner of the phone but only asked a few questions and did not see in someone else was in the house.

And OCSD didn't get the register tape until August 1994.

And it took 6 months to get a picture of Steen so a witness could look at it.

And Roger couldn't account for at least one hour of time the morning of.

And Moe not letting the FBI help...hmmm I wonder why.

And Judge ( used loosely ) let Bohere off the stand because he was upset.

And the color of the van by 2 witnesses changed their mind about it...yuck, how can you live with that.

And offering Jenn W. immunity. Must have been sure she knew something.

And a jail house snitch now changing his story.

And three people said it was a blue van but the OCSD came up with nothing.

And one deputy said we asked one of the 'THREE" but he said he didn't do it. You from Saturday nite Live? Are you serious. what the hell do you think they are going to say?

And Oakes telling Lisa P. that "I don't have a lot of confidence in the OCSD integrity then changing his mind. Probably after soemone sat him down for a talk.

And why would Tonya be getting death threats if Gary was the true killer. Did the OCSD use phone records etc?

And, and, and...........Is this enough suspicious activity for you? and there is so much more. Who's gonna be the first one to talk? First one walks, all others go to prison!

COVER UP!

June 4/19

Roundup?
Is it true that the City of Oswego purchased the banned carcinogen Roundup in large quantities from a city fireman? Do they plan to continue poisoning us?

May 29/19

Timeline at the D&W
"I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42"...Stinson
The clock was discovered broken 7 days after. This does not mean it was broken the day Heidi went missing.

I have re-read Bivens' statement to the cops..wow. I will post his story and you can see that his testimony should have been scratched.

May 29/19

Greg Oakes
Hey Greg, you have a wife and kids, leave the women alone who work around you.
Do you think you are safe and can do anything you want? People are talking about
your affair! What a sorry excuse for a DA!

May 29/19

To Stitson.
I personally believe you gave great detail and were very stern on your time even though it butted the heads of the Sheriffs. I've always said to anyone I personally have spoken to about this case that you were not only honest you let the cat out of the bag about things being broken. If it wasn't for you no one would even have known the cash register was broken. Your time is what blows the Sheriffs lies about their time line out of the water. I give you credit for standing by your testimony then and now.

May 29/19

Former Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant Manager

admits to polluting water in Lake Ontario

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/former-oswego-wastewater-treatment-plant-manager-admits-to-polluting-water-in-lake-ontario/2023242530

It was reported here that Federal officials raided the Oswego Sewage Treatment Plant with guns drawn and had employees lined up in the hallway under guard while they were interrogated and documents were removed. The City of Oswego retaliated against the whistleblower who as I understood lost his job. Lets hope he got a good lawyer and sued. Below is a post from October 2015. The person referred to as "Rita" was personnel director Rita Tickle and the mayor I believe was that dope Gilligan. Those two unsuccessfully tried to cover it all up. My question would be how much did or will the taxpayers have to pay in fines for their incompetence and corruption and what about Anthony Leotta who over saw the operation at those plants.

wastewater

This was a post from 2015

Wow, just checked out google earth. What an amazing overhead view they have of the lake. Don't know the date of the picture, but it say's 2015. Go ahead and check out the east side wastewater plant 71 mercer street. Nice view of the overstocked shit on hand in the aeration tanks, they are the 8 tanks about in the middle of the place. The north 2 and the south 2 are normally not on line, but since the centrifuge is still not working, and management is still not trucking the shit out of there it will probably end up in the lake like several other times this year( VIDIO coming). Even if the centrifuge was working, they don't have enough employee's to run it because no one wants to work at a unmanaged place, micromanaged by the bosses kid and no one want's to do all superman's work while he play's on his phone or babysits his kids at work. Even without superman the operator's are so underpaid they don't want to do anything as they are understaffed and overworked. They have to carry a wastewater licence, and a drivers licence and have the responsibility of reporting things to DEC and protecting our lake, but barely make more money than future McDonald's workers are being offered. Back to google earth, zoom in and see how clear the water is east and west of the plant and how brown the lake is in front of the plant, but what did you expect, look in the parking lot looks like a black dodge to me. I wish Gary would bring his goat to westside plant to eat the grass before they have to hire someone to bale it as hay, but maybe he's using it for something else! Signed FOOFM(that stands for f**ked out of fifteen minutes).PS if Rita had done her job none of this would be happening.

WHAT DID LISA AND HER FATHER DO

WITH THE MONEY FROM THE HEIDI ALLEN CENTER?????????????

Justice in the truth
There is Justice in the truth. That phrase is something those involved in Gary Thibodeau case negatively can't seem to understand. Your lives will unravel on their own. Its called Karma. People you thought were friends aren't really. Some may have ended relations with you. Every where you go that shadow of doubt is cast upon your name. It will never go away. You may be shunned in public. Your business may fail, you may not get the job you want, hell your own family may have cut you off. In the end Gary's justice has already been served. Because now everyone knows your names. You deserve far more than those simple losses, you deserve prison. But in the end Gary actually won.

May 1/19

The system is rigged its common sense.
Everyone wants to go to court and deal with even the Gary Thibodeau case in court, to bide time. More and more time. People like Tammy Mahoney sister will figure it out. She's fighting, is honest and is trying to break through the rigged areas of the system but it's difficult. I know there are many honest people who would issue arrests and be happy to do so in Gary's case, the public has more heart in the Gary Thibodeau, Heidi Allen or Tammy Maloney case than those wearing a badge. That badge doesn't make the person it's their integrity. Instead let's all play games, drag things on, lie, munipulate and have zero accountability in the system because and only because some who need it actually do wear a badge. Its all rigged. Everyone else is wrong the good ol boys are always right. We witnessed laws being broken, some very serious laws. We all know it, saw it along with zero integrity, zero accountability and zero help from any one, but every day citizens trying to make a difference. Maybe Tammys family will figure out how to dance around it. Maybe one will.

April 29/19

Today's Quote April 27/2019

The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart.
Helen Keller

Fair-Average-Normal
I love the real property description of Yaccos house. Trust me it is anything but fair, average or normal.
If I remember right that house also has a finished basement.
This sounds like another one of Marty Websters creative assessments. I heard the little bastard retired from the county but is he still working for the town?

April 27/19

Pictures
If anyone has pictures of Minetto Town employees working on Yacco’s house send them to the lion I’m sure Ed will post them.
If you got them send them in.

April 27/19

My husband Rob Ramsey Jr.
To all of you being bully’s to my husband Rob, he has served this county and cares very much for everyone.He has never cheated on me. He is home every night.Please stop being so mean.He cries sometimes and I have to knock the shit out of him to get him to calm down. Stop saying he is short.Please stop making fun of us.We love all of you constituents and we need your votes in Scriba and in Minetto.

April 27/19

Under the table
MINETTO ROOFING ...... 3065 St Rt 48
THE TOWN OF MINETTO HIGHWAY DEPT WORKERS , ARE WORKING ON DOMINIC YACCO’S ROOF ON RT 48 BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO OR THEY WOUKD BE FIRED. DOM TOLD THEM TO PARK HIDE BEHIND HIS HOUSE.
BEEN THEIR FOR SEVERAL HOURS. WORKING ON HIS ROOF. IT IS NOT ROB RAMSEYS FAULT. HE IS A STAND UP GUY. ASK THE FAMILY WE ALL KNOW HIM

April 27/19

Oakes
Oakes was asked for the interrogation video for Priest he claimed under the biggest mystery ever in Oz, he didn't record it. He's nothing more than a habitual liar.

April 24/19

Barkley, Steen, Wescott
Steen facebook shows pv Moore as his school, along with the Heidi texter, wonder what the PV Moore year books will show.

April 24/19

Oakes Where is Tonya priests interrogation video
Remember Tonya said she was taken into an investigators back office without Oakes being present.

April 22/19

When does Oakes not lie
I wonder if Greg Oakes is aware the lies he told about Tonya Priest will catch up with him. As some people have gotten copies of reports filed in 2010 to missing and exploited kids by her. Multiple calls and one of the exact day Vicky Steen was shot. He needs to be delt with by higher authority. I'm certain after his lies in the pod cast he will be. He had a certain man speak to him, Oakes made one comment to him, that doesn't match his pod cast interview. I'm sure it'll come crashing down soon enough. Once you lie, you forget about what you've said prior isn't that right Oakes? The man he spoke to is of serious higher authority. You may Oakes want to wrack your brain and recall a few things you said to a certain someone because he's well aware you out right lied in your pod cast. The reason he's aware Oakes is because you sent that man back to Tonya Priest and you send a message with this man to her. Lol such an idiot to think every word your are saying Oakes isn't being documented.

April 20-21/19

Here's a hint
Oakes were the cabin diggers the powers the first ones at that cabin. Here's a clue Greg you've been had. I'll use the famous line on here Tick tock you may just end up in prison.

April 20-21/19

Oakes is the reason
Oakes is a direct example of why no one else will help the Allen family. He's taken good citizens and lied about all of them because what they know doesn't match his lies. In the end Lisa B, will be apologizing to many. Greg well he may just be led by higher authority to either step down or face charges.

April 20-21/19

Liar
Greg has a serious rude awakening coming. Just wait. It's going to prove how well he didn't investigate the Gary Thibodeau case. It's proof of one thing he was too lazy and incompetent to do a proper investigation. There's documentation to debunk the lies he's telling. Justice Department should have a field day with Greg, seeing as he likes to lie some are going to be pushing back with facts he can not get away from, when he slapped real hard with documents he neglected to seek out.

April 20-21/19

How's that Greg for conspiracy.
Because that's when I talked to Lisa and john because I've always suspected murtaugh had something to do with my brother's death and and when he threatened me on syr.com the next day he called my mom talking about my brother the following day my mom received a call from john stating that murtaugh said my brother and his friend dug a hole for thumper and that's probably where Heidi is that's why I had to call john and Lisa to let them both know I thought murtaugh had something to do with my brothers death
Jan 12, 2015 · Sent from Messenger
Lisa and john both knew he was lyin that's when they told me rumor has it that thumper shot him.
Jenn and roger can both rot I was friends with both of them I thought they were friends they kept me close just to know that I wasn't going to dig and told me crap for all these years.
Original messages. How's that Greg for conspiracy? When multiple families name the same people over and over its no conspiracy Greg, it's a fact you don't do proper investigations. In this young ladies case the outcome was James Steen being the shooter to her brother, he got away with it. This was investigated by Lisa Peebles and her team. That was the outcome Thumper was the shooter. There are families Greg that could really use a DA with an ounce of brains and that isn't corrupt. Most good officers would be very suspicious their names continue to appear in strange deaths or suicides. Not Greg I tell you its a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy only in your head Greg because you haven't done proper investigations in to any families allegations, because? You have no excuse if you can't do your job. I suggest OZ finds a DA that can and will. This is only one of several families. Wayne Priest family did not quote say a biker club in general killed Wayne Priest. What was said was Dan Barney had a part in it. Funny he is also probable suspect in Heidi Allen. What you have Greg is terrorism you can't grasp. Anyone with a lick of intelligence will clearly tell you one percent gang member are the cancer of society, from illegal drugs, murder, extortion, the list goes on. Must be Greg thinks that bikers are the great product of our society. I'll guarantee you FBI would tell Greg, you are an idiot.

April 20-21/19

Heidi Sister
Here is the plain cold truth about Heidi sister. She's nothing like Tammy Mahony's sister. Huge differences. Ones doing all they can to bury the truth the other ones slamming the officers involved and fighting to be heard and to find the truth, not hide it. Two sisters both have siblings whom had heart breaking stories. Ones not stupid, the other one is. During Dateline interview Lisa tossed in her towel when asked one key question. "Were you or Heidi ever involved in drugs." That seemed to upset Lisa and she stormed off the set. If she knew anything about her sisters case she'd know this, "Dodd made Heidi out to be a coke head, not only during trial but it supports his closing arguments". If she did not know this, she really has studied nothing on her sisters case and she's showing it. But yet even though that question pissed her off, she still supported the case which supports the idea her sister was a druggie. How much Lisa do you truly pay attention to anyone but yourself. Great sister Lisa B. Difference between the two siblings, is simple. One has gutts to fight. The other uses the system to gain sympathy and attention. What's funny is her mother warned everyone and made it very very clear Lisa is an attention seeker and obviously not smart enough to understand an ounce of her sisters case. Even Stitson made that very clear her memory may be vague but his is not. You may Lisa B, want to take some notes on how a real sister acts, because Tammy's fights the system to bring truth for her murdered sibling. She does not rake the system or the public for sympathy she fights every damn day to just be heard. She doesn't kiss anyone's ass. She calls them all out on every lie they produce she does not give room for oopsies. One oopsie she went over their heads and contacted the DOJ. Most ridiculous comment yet out of your, by what Dodd painted a druggies families mouth, Lisa. Tammy's sister could use the publics help, unlike Lisa and her support of oopsies, Tammys family wants nothing but facts and the truth. Tammys family had the gutts to report corruption to the DOJ, now Tammys family has movement because she seeks nothing but the truth, she tossed a few officers, without hesitating, she does not care whos in her way. Take notes Lisa this sister bar none is real your actions in this give tons of question as to where you truly stood with Heidi the day she vanished. Seems its all about you, not what's best for Heidi or you'd make many simular moves as the Mahoney family. Your behavior and ridiculous comments tend to raise red flags to many. The fact you being Heidi family, are aware of oopsies and haven't requested DOJ investigation is beyond me. When its said and done the words told you so will live with you forever because you arent fighting for your sister. You are doing nothing but supporting the idea your sister is a massive coke head. Funny the DA seemed to think so. Lol sad thing is the general public does not support you or that theory, why? Because you aren't the only one who knew the real Heidi. Lisa is supporting destroying her own sisters reputation to protect a sheriff and his good ol boys reputation, oopsie. There is a pretty place in hell for them and for you, Lisa B. https://www.facebook.com/Justice-for-Tammy-Mahoney-1516278771947064/

April 18-19/19

Integrity
https://www.wrvo.org/post/episode-3-new-life

Just Wow, Greg. You don’t trust the integrity of some in the Sheriff’s department but still stand by your…lies?!?? Incredible. What does that say about YOU? You can take plausible deniability and….. Hahaha. Can’t get away from what the public knows as FACT!!
P.S. Take a lesson-
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2019/04/fbi-increases-reward-to-20000-in-tammy-mahoney-cold-case.html

This is what it may look like when the Sheriff’s lack integrity and a family wants their loved one found.

Why ask “Who she was?” when we can’t get a straight or truthful answer?
In 1994, she was a CI according to the Sergeant who signed her up to give drug dealer names to LE, albiet fellow high schoolers. At the same time, LE and Heidi’s family deny she was and/or gave any useful information. We heard about how she was such a beautiful, young, athletic woman who could handle herself. Dodd even says during closing arguments at Gary’s trial, making it seem possible, that sometimes we don’t really know our loved ones, implying that Heidi may have had some kind of “drug arrangement” with Gary. Fast forward-even when the CI card surfaced in the public eye, LE still denied Heidi was useful but that she did give names and that the card identifying her with a code name was dropped in the parking lot of the very store she worked at. Not long after, auntie comes forward with a story that doesn’t paint too pretty of a picture.
So with all the conflicting information of “Who she was?” and the fact that Heidi’s sister won’t answer any questions to the negative, why would we ask when we can’t get a plain, truthful answer. She, as a person, was not only one thing to those whose lives she touched.

Denial is a seriously detrimental character flaw.

April 16-17/19

Inquiry-Greg Oakes
Who was the one that came up with the juvenile argument, “his work area was a mess so he might not have seen….”? ‘might’ is a speculative word Mr. Gregory Oakes. Last I knew, the court of law is based on FACTS. I propose that because you and Moody didn’t have a document with you in court for the Hearing that you guys were unprepared and unorganized. What does that fact say about YOU?

Who made up the timeline found in your “Statement of Facts”? You certainly didn’t follow the times elicited from the trial from the prosecution and defense questioning. Sorry, I forgot…only believe the prosecution witnesses when questioned by Dodd. F__k what the defense elicited or their witnesses.

I’ll ask you this, if Dodd saw “every” piece of paper from the Heidi Allen files then why could he not recall the deal Baldasaro received for testifying for the prosecution of Gary? He either lied about seeing “every” piece of paper or he lied to the public about the ‘deal”. Either way…LIAR!!

I find it rather obnoxiously hilarious that Greg is still trying to play off the ‘no DNA’ or van washing angle after that has been shown FALSE for years now. Think no one of importance or substance would find out you LIE? Keep saying it so you believe it, Greg, while the rest of us grasp reality and the truth. “You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”

Would you have the courage to interview with a reporter and answer truthfully/factually any question about Heidi Allen’s case? Not just prearranged questions. I think not!

Ugg. I don’t know what disturbs me more, that some in Oswego Law Enforcement have less than average intelligence or that some in the public actually believe everything coming from their mouth about Heidi’s case. Looking forward to more of what may come in the media/social media forums.

April 16-17/19

Has WRVO Become the FOX News of Central New York?

Ryan Zalduondo a product of SUNY Oswego, Upstate New York's Premier Party School shows off the talents of his education in what appears to be two episodes about the Heidi Allen Case, available on WRVO public radio where he works as an intern.

http://www.oswegonylion.com/ryanzalduondo.html

April 13/19

Ryan Zalduondo
This wanabe journalist/intern for WRVO recreates the Heidi Allen kidnapping with his own interpretation of the facts and facts which did not exist until he came along. If you have followed the postings and documents on this site and then compare to what has been proffered by WRVO you will quickly see not only has this SUNY Oswego student ignored the facts but he has laced the content with biased comments and conjecture.

April 13/19

Zalduondo
What Zalduondo and his peer did on their trip to the north country is up for debate, but once he gets his party school diploma he will not stick around Oswego County to see the fallout from his contrived reporting.

April 13/19

Shawshank REALLY!!!
Lisa Buske literally compared a non-true story written by Steven King to Gary's case. She obviously isn't very intelligent because in Shawshank Redemption the warden had the man killed who was involved to silence him so the truth about the innocent man did not come out. Lisa you may want to step out of the lime light on this. You aren't intellegent enough with your oopsies to grasp even a made up movie let alone your sisters case. Shawshank Redemption she's using as a reason why Gary must have done it. She says because they all claim they are innocent. Maybe Lisa you may want to brush up on the innocence project before you base your belief off a fake movie. 4 out of 10 who were DNA tested through the innocence project were in deed innocent. Shes really shouldn't be Heidi's spokes-person. The comment she made lol they are all innocent was a line in the movie. Wow lmao just wow Lisa, sit down, everyone's sick of listening to your "OOPSIES". KEEP GOING MR. HEWITT, more to come out. Hang in their folks. https://youtu.be/iySODH0T5jQ

April 9/19

Shawshank really Lisa B. Really?

No way, let me tell you a secret about Shawshank you missed then and you missed in your sisters case. The man in Shawshank was innocent. You may want to research your movie and here's a word of advice, don't compare your sisters case to a Steven king movie, LMAO if you are going to make certain you have your facts straight. You made a huge oopsie Lisa Buske you know how many people are laughing right now. WE ALL ARE!!!

April 9/19

To Lisa B
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0spucxvMfjE&feature=youtu.be

This is all we are waiting for. Murder, corruption and lies. Good Lord if you were smart enough to understand the ending of Shawshank Redemption then stay away from your sisters case.

April 9/19

Oz’s Shawshank
#1 look you ass Buske, oopsies? That was Gary’s life! #2 Buske....Shawshank Redemption? Andy Duframe was an INNOCENT man, just like Gary! #3 Your ‘pal’ from the SD, was thrown aside, because the public said they were sick of Mo and his lies! Tried to get the public to vote for a criminal for sheriff! We said, “HELL NO! HILTON is Sheriff! #4 Oakes, your mouth, if you keep running it, just might get you disbarred and put in prison! You don’t know who kidnapped Heidi? WTF? No one ever, ever placed Gary the INNOCENT Thibodeau at the scene of the crime! Oakes, this is not over, Buske, no one believes a word you say, maybe liar auntie Martha, but it’s not over!
https://youtu.be/iySODH0T5jQ

April 9/19

Hey Buske, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0spucxvMfjE&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR16zV-fIoNUF6L8vR25pcKiQC0aKZFcieK61LQ7qBPIgnl1IcAKQ76rhGw

Who would have the power?
To run drugs out of the county airport
To control the district attorney and sheriff
To keep the FBI out of the Allen case
To rig juries
To keep the media silent
To make witnesses fear for there lives
To keep criminals out of jail
One name keeps coming back over and over
Barclay Barclay Barclay Barclay

April 6/19

Lies
Barkley knew Thumper was going to kill Vicky. How did he not. The day James Steen went to committ the murders he stopped at a store and ran in to Delbert Shaw and his wife during their conversation James informed Delbert he was on his way to shoot Victoria. Delbert never called the cops to warn her. Instead he and his mentally deranged wife went and followed Steen to the location and parked at the gas station to watch it unfold, but yet Barkley didn't know. Which is an out right lie, Thumper was telling everyone with his big mouth bragging and then did it. Just as he's bragged about Heidi and was involved, any crime he's been involved in his big mouth gives it away. Who is Delbert just another pos who thinks he's a biker and tugs around in the biker crowd with Barney. Nah none of them know each other lol and none of them knew bet your ass the cameras across the street would show Delbert Shaw parked watching it unfold. Sick bastard.

April 2-3/19

File disclosure
Heidi Allen case: Lawyers argue over file disclosure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygOOfGw2ayo
Moody, Were you aware that your exhibit 13A wasn't even received into evidence in the original trial? Pulled a fast one like you tried with the sweatshirt.

April 1/19

Who's kidding who....The Heidi Allen Conspiracy
All of the leads, hints, lies & cover ups to this crime leads me to assume who killed her, who covered it up and who died an innocent man.

Why isn't there any suspicion of the "three" about this case from the LE and the DA's office?

You people in Oswego know who was selling coke, going to the airport 3-4 am, what cops were involved in the murder and coverup for the "three" that in my opinion are guilty.

Why were the actions taken by the OCSD to avoid their arrest of these guys.....simple they would have turned states evidence and hung some of the people Steen called the "big big guys."
How could you possibly listen to these guys, JW, MB, Johnathon about the Heidi text to Steen and a million other things and not have your investigation follow up on this.
The problem is, there isn't any evidence to dispute their actions. They knew they would go to prison if the "three" talked.

But maybe not over yet. Maybe someone who knows they should do the right thing will come forward.

Why no $20k reward still there? Did Bivens get it?

I am still not 100% sold on the time changes, confusion, contradictory stories.

7:40 to 8 am is a long time to fake, with a lot of events going on.

Why did Stinson go to the store on Easter Sunday and yet saw NOTHING?

Why didn't Swenkowski say he saw him there? Didn't they work at the same place..did they know each other?

Why did they let JW walk away after she gave them enough to at least follow up on...but they did not do so.

Mr. Bivens you have to live with yourself....worry everyday something may pop up that gets you and all the others...EVERYDAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!!!

Of course one of them may get scared and turn to the FBI to save his own neck.

You guys think no one has talked to them...think again. Your best friend is going to hang you. May not be a coworker ....just a citizen out for the truth.

Hang in there, Lisa P. is not finished yet...this could become very big.

TIC TOC TIC TOC....... FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES!!!

April 1/19

March 29-30/19

Heidi Allen: Trial Freed One Thibodeau, Convicted Another
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2019/03/27/heidi-allen-case--

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March 29-30/19

Bivens
Damn shame the jurors only considered this 'expert' witnesses testimony elicited from the prosecution. Didn't even consider all the contradictions learned from Defense questioning.

March 26/19

WHAAAAA!!!!
WOW, to the Rob poster. You really have a bone to pick with this guy. He must have been picked before you in kickball in 6th grade and you just can’t get over it. Or maybe you are a little short in the “man” department and are so jealous of him it’s eating you alive. Or maybe that bartender wouldn’t give you a second look cuz you’re a dumbass! Or maybe he is more popular in your shared circle of friends, which you have made clear by all your “first-hand accounts” of what happens. Whatever the reason, get over it little man. Nobody cares that he took your ball and sent you home crying.

March 26/19

Bartender
This is what Greg’s “Statement of Facts” said, “The testimony of Mary Ann Montgomery was struck by the Appellate Division, and therefore, is not included in this statement of facts.”

This is the decision of the Appellate division to strike the testimony-“Admission of the testimony of the barmaid concerning defendant's statements to her did not violate the hearsay rule (see, Prince, Richardson on Evidence §§ 8-201, 8-202 [Farrell 11th ed.] ). The evidence nonetheless falls within the exclusionary rule of People v. Molineux, 168 N.Y. 264, 291-294, 61 N.E. 286. Although the evidence tended to establish the identity of defendant and his brother as the kidnappers, as well as their complicity and intent, the slight probative value of the evidence on those issues was outweighed by its prejudicial impact (see, People v. Allweiss, 48 N.Y.2d 40, 47, 421 N.Y.S.2d 341, 396 N.E.2d 735). There is a danger here that the jury viewed the evidence as establishing defendant's criminal bent or character as an abductor of young women (see, People v. Hudy, 73 N.Y.2d 40, 54-55, 538 N.Y.S.2d 197, 535 N.E.2d 250; People v. Crandall, 67 N.Y.2d 111, 500 N.Y.S.2d 635, 491 N.E.2d 1092). We nonetheless conclude that the admission of the evidence, together with the failure of the People to give notice of their intention to use it (see generally, People v. Ventimiglia, 52 N.Y.2d 350, 361-362, 438 N.Y.S.2d 261, 420 N.E.2d 59), is harmless error. There is overwhelming evidence of defendant's guilt and no significant probability that the jury would have acquitted defendant but for the error (see, People v. Crimmins, 36 N.Y.2d 230, 241-242, 367 N.Y.S.2d 213, 326 N.E.2d 787).

This is some of the testimony this witness gave during the trial:

Hmm.....Prejudicial, prosecution failed to give notice of using this witness, she testified that her sworn police statement was inaccurate. Who cares, though, that this testimony should not have been legally allowed to be presented to the jury while other evidence should have, aka exculpatory evidence like the fact that Heidi gave LE names of drug dealers, that her CI card was dropped in the very parking lot where she worked and that LE had partial fingerprints in their very own file.

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This may not be the best or only example from Greg's filing....way to go, Greg, using struck testimony to bolster your case with the Appeal.
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March 23-25/19

VOTE RAMSEY
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Liz is utterly oblivious to Rob’s flirting and screwing. Don't let the looks of the pretty petit beauty fool you. They have been hooking up together and not at the Dunsmore Elizabeth Lake. Hard to believe but completely true. The only thing that I can think of is that it has to be his badge or he has a big d*ck because he is one short ugly motherf**ker.
what I do know is that Liz controls the Rob Ramsey household and calls all the shots. Rob managed to go undetected for several years before she found out that he was in love with another woman. She continues to blame his friends of covering up for him. When she found out the first time Rob was screwing around, she rendered him helpless and made sure to remind him everyday that everything they had together was listed in her name; the house, cars, boat, bank account and threatened to take everything, leaving him with nothing. This woman can be frightening. When she gets on one of her mad at Rob nights, her right eye bulges out, she turns green, and her head starts to spin uncontrollably with that annoying laugh of hers, and suddenly you feel like you are in the movie the Exorcists. It is some scary shit. Lizzy is obsessively aggressive and puts the feeble man on a very tight leash. The same stories over and over again. “Rob caught cheating” “Liz has another mental break down” “Liz threatens to leave Rob” “Rob bows down to her dominance” “Stay clear of her wrath, she is at it again.” "Rob has no balls"
VOTE RAMSEY

March 23-25/19

Mr. S didn’t see anyone in the van. Mr. S didn’t see defendant in van.

Gary “made no admissions” as testified by inmates and written in court papers. There was no physical evidence linking Heidi to either brother on April 3, 1994, yet the Appellate Division found ‘overwhelming evidence in contradiction to alibi witnesses’?

Mrs. Duell testified to several register transactions during that morning and from police notes provided by Greg’s filing for the Hearing, we see other purchases not specifically testified to. She testified to the register being turned on at 4:06am on April 3, 1994. She had the register tape to refer her testimony to.

Witness on route 104 hears Richards van go by toward the store and within a half hour hears Richards van go by again.

Richard sees Heidi, makes his purchase, and leaves as Mr. S is leaving. Goes home to family as they prepare to have Easter Holiday at another relatives.

Mr. Stinson didn’t see any customers at the store when he got there. He didn’t see anyone grab Heidi. Mr. Stinson notices register time/wall clock time and personal time differed.

Inmates claim this is what they ‘gathered’ from asking Gary questions as they were eavesdropping on his home phone calls; they claim that Richard and Gary took Heidi from the store to near Gary’s house “to talk to her” because they thought she was going to screw Gary on something. They claim that Richard (alone) went back to drop Heidi at the store, left again but forgot to get cigarettes then went back to get them. They claim Gary was upset about the furnace being confiscated and “teeth burning” so that must be what happened to Heidi. They also claim that he chopped her up with an army fold-up type shovel and buried her on his property. **What is that date that the army fold-up shovel was mentioned in the news? April 25, 1994. Wonder how many people thought that shovel was connected to Heidi. LE wasn’t saying and Gary and Richard hadn’t been arrested though they knew they were being investigated? HHmmm, interesting timeline of events. The inmates made their statements at the beginning of July 1994? And LE testified that no shovel of that type was confiscated from Gary’s property.**

I’d be interested to know who the jurors ‘thought’ were disinterested witnesses to be believed. How many witnesses testified to LE having them sign statements which were not entirely true?

One neighbor didn’t like Gary. One neighbor contradicted his brother (younger sibling testifies to not seeing Richard’s van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994 when both were outside in the morning hours). One witness changes his testimony vs his signed affidavit—called an ‘expert witness’ because he worked in an auto parts store but changes his description several times of the vehicle he saw AND tries to plead the 5th when asked about insurance claim forms AND says during testimony, “I don’t want to send an innocent man away”. One witness had sketchy past with a girlfriend. Two witnesses were criminals (that received a ‘deal’ in contradiction to what the ADA led the community and judges to ‘believe’). Don’t even get me started on the contradictions and withholding from the LE witnesses. One witness should have not been allowed to testify to begin with. Timeline doesn’t fit with “facts” like testimony of when the register was turned on vs when Heidi arrived to work. Timeline doesn’t fit with transactions at the store vs what the inmates testified to.

Dodd must have a powerful presence to pull the wool over the jurors’ eyes to get the conviction. He had ‘psychological effect’ on his side. Ergo, having the jurors go to the garage to see the van even though there was testimony to no link. Ergo, having the FBI agent partially testify about what was found in the furnace and soot piles. Ergo, presenting a shovel which matches the description testified by the inmates that wasn’t even confiscated from the Thibodeau’s. ‘What if, what if…we don’t want to let this guy get away with it’. Lest we forget, “I don’t have to prove”. I’m “not turning over everything” nor saying what I’m not turning over. Drive by the store, Rice Road or any place mentioned with this case and tell me you don’t ‘feel something’? That would be psychological effect.

Prosecutorial Misconduct _

False Identification _

Snitch Testimony _ RECIPE FOR FALSE CONVICTION

Flawed Forensic Evidence _

March 23-25/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
We didn't press Jenn like we should have....she knew stuff that would have hung us. After all she was interrogated after she was offered immunity

roger couldn't account for one hour of where he was on Easter Morning..o'well who cares.

Richard said he couldn't account for an hour..Richard said..BS! And gave a depo to explain where he was.

No cabins, Never were any cabins...oh look! There's a cabin!

MB had a white van the day of the kidnapping. Maybe he'll let me borrow it to go fishing.

Where the hell am I gonna find some snitches in Oswego custody. Wit, Gary is from MA. That's it, that's what we'll do.

Ocsd deputy lied on the stand...nothing happened. Gary's wife didn't and she was taken to court for it...hmmmmmmm.

MB got a DA DWI file faxed to him? Must have been a mis-dial, but the fax reports has the time, date, to who and how many pages. Forget, we don't need it, not for this case.

Jenn confessed that she lied. Girls will be girls, let it go before it becomes something important.

GT wasn't seen at the store that day...well stupid make something up.

The vans the vans.."after 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans...was she pressed to give up more? Nope just asked who told her that. Roger and Tracy..J W.

So here's a big piece of evidence that got buried. Oh I mean another piece f evidence that got buried.

Did anyone ever hear of the OCSD interrogating James Steen about the Heidi Allen crime?

And the lies go on. Usually they lead to an arrest....TICK TOCK< TICK TOCK!

March 23-25/19

Ramsey
Rob certainly has a thing for bartenders. Especially the petite young beauty at the bar he frequents. Too bad for him it takes more than a badge to impress some women. I’ve watched him make moves on her even with his wife present more times than not. Apparently Robs brain is too small to comprehend that she’s not interested, the expression on her face says it all! Liz either doesn’t care or is completely oblivious to it all. Some of us men know that if she’s young enough to be our daughter , you can look but don’t touch. Shame on you Rob!

March 22/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sens
THE VAN
Here's your answer to the van it was white, off white and rusted. It was gray in spots and the entire inside was red scuff. All of the descriptions were correct. Notice none of them ever claimed it had a huge black stripe. The van was being prepped for paint. It was having body work done. The blue van towed from Gary's was a distraction to the white van they pulled off from valley road.
Never noticed that no one mentioned anything about seeing stripes on the van.
Woman from Fulton saw van behind her in Mexico but said it was light blue...hmmmm.
No one will ever convince me that some of the OCSD deputies were not selling coke and were not involved with the murder and cover up of Heidi Allen.
Not to mention the railroading of an innocent person.
Will the 2 deputies that stopped a car back then, found coke, took the coke and let the guy go...please step forward. True story.

March 22/19

The Van
The Van on Valley Road was blue. I have a picture of it.
I posted it once on Facebook...and the cops came a knocking....

March 21/19

THE VAN
Here's your answer to the van it was white, off white and rusted. It was gray in spots and the entire inside was red scuff. All of the descriptions were correct. Notice none of them ever claimed it had a huge black stripe. The van was being prepped for paint. It was having body work done. The blue van towed from Gary's was a distraction to the white van they pulled off from valley road.

March 20/19

To the person speaking for ALL
You do not speak for me and nor do you speak for many others that have an out right dislike for the Sheriffs. You may be an ass kisser but not every citizen is. Next time make sure you speak souly for yourself the lies the sheriff's have told have given them a terrible reputation. I do not know what county you live in but in OZ, your idea of you speaking for everyone is pathetic and it's dead wrong. Making assumptions in OZ, smh...seems that's what the sheriff's and the DA already do. Just ask the Thibodeau family.

March 20/19

Gary Thibodeau...the Death Of Common Sense
" they brought her to my house in Mikes white van"....Jenn W.

" I borrowed Mikes white van after he had it repaired. Used it to scrap". Man admitting to using MB's white van.

This is stated in the articles from Porch light. If I remember correctly.

I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT VAN? DID IT ALSO END UP IN CANADA?

WAS THE BLUE VAN A DIVERSION AND THE WHITE VAN CRUSHED TO GET RID OF EVIDENCE?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT WHITE VAN...MIKE?

March 19/19

Shovel
Plant? It's obvious by the 94 news reports the sheriff's brought an army folded shovel out of an investigators vehicle with muscle or tissue on it. When asked why they had it. The Sheriffs declined to speak to the reporters. This shovel they brought out and got caught with had no connection to the kidnapping. None. It was apparently one they claim they borrowed, my question for what purpose would you need a second shovel, in one investigation, if they found one on Thibodeau property. That first one on Thibodeau property ruled out there was no connection. Funny a second one appears. Why else would they have it? The Sheriffs have given no answers to anything they've done.

March 17/19

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To Brian Hewitt

Mike Bohere got a Da's DWI file faxed to him. I believe he got it to talk to Bivens about changing his mind about saying RT's vana was not the van he saw.

Changed his mind in court didn't he?....right after MB got the fax.

Why would MB get a fax from the DA's office?

IMO I believe some deputies etc were selling coke and thought Heidi was going to go to the FBI etc.

The "Three" allegedly were hired to get rid of her and cover the entire truth.

Just my opinion but think about it and all the other events..J. Barkely denying the text, Roger, MB and Steen bragging about killing her to TEN different people.

MB's white van never investigates even after a person said he had borrowed it to junk after MB had it repaired.

Jail snitch now ready to change his story, time line at the store etc.

No one seeing Gary there.

Gary wasn't the criminal, some of the OCSD and others were.

March 15-16/19

Plant??
Someone once asked that if Gary was framed and/or railroaded, why wasn’t something planted?

Several answers---

First being that eventually something was but not in the sense that the item was physically linked to the Thibodeau’s or to Heidi. And that item was…an army fold-up shovel.

Richard’s van forensically tested April 9, 1994

April 1994 during ground searching, reporter witnesses a shovel in a law enforcement vehicle. Law enforcement refuses to comment at the time.

April 28, 1994 - Richards van is again searched because of being seen at a car wash. Carpet piece cut out, law enforcement seize piece and forensically test for DNA.

Police notes per the DA’s filing for the hearing show that an army fold-up shovel was found during ground searching on Levitt (Leavitt) Road.

Gary’s property searched and furnace confiscated June 1994

Gary’s property searched July 1994, after inmates gave statements

Per trial testimony from Sheriff and the FBI agent, “no morphological details to suggest human origin” was found in the furnace or soot piles, no army fold-up shovel was confiscated from Gary’s property and no connection between Heidi and Gary was found.

SO, Why was the ____ shovel even admitted into the trial? Why were the jurors allowed to go to the Sheriff’s garage to see the van if there had been testimony from several law enforcement that there was no connection to Heidi? I’ll tell you why___ Psychological Effect___. The ADA had nothing so they had to make the case emotional. Which wasn’t very difficult considering the gravity of the situation and how many people were personally affected. First and foremost, Heidi’s connection to a judge. Why do you think it took so many perspective jurors to seat the 12 + 4 alt’s? Even now, after all that has come out about the trials back in 1995 and the hearing in 2015, why are unbiased people able to look at the evidence, or lack of as the case may be, to see that they are innocent? Unbiased people have nothing to lose or gain either way. What did law enforcement have to lose or gain? Pride, promotion??

*If only the CRB had come to a conclusion from the totality of information the police and DA’s office had from this case instead of the cherry picked, biased information sent to them. Look at the incomplete “Statement of Facts” that Greg filed. Should have read “Prosecutions Presentation to Affirm Conviction” or “Statement of Prosecution Facts” or “Statement of Some Facts”. As a percentage, how much of the “Statement of Facts” was just testimony from the prosecutions side vs the defense side?*

March 15-16/19

Lies to the Appellate Division--Gregory Oakes

March 15-16/19

Hindisght 20/20 when you don't have all the facts/evidence/proof
Biased filing…wouldn’t expect anything less from a DA who can’t take the blinders off or who is easily manipulated.

I realize the case before the Court was about Gary….Oakes does mention, though, that separate trials where held and Gary was convicted. Why not mention that the other trial resulted in an acquittal?

Minor detail-Mr. Swenszkowski “recalls the van plate number…”PU”…”55”….” You do know that Dodd was quoted in the news in 1994 giving Richards plate number publicly. You do also know that he testified that he was only in the store a couple minutes, tops, and opened his pack of cigarettes before he began leaving the store lot? Something I find rather….intriguing-Mr. Swenszkowki’s testimony of the van being parallel to the store but yet, shortly after, the van moved to the outer pump (when Richard didn’t even purchase gas) to where Bivens supposedly saw the altercation.?

“Mrs. Fabian positively identified Richards van as the van she saw swerving”. Based solely on a front view and witness massaging….? Nice touch, Dodd. Most of your witnesses were not “Positive” until trial. Like Bivens, Mrs. Fabian, Ms. Montgomery (whose testimony was stricken by the same Appellate Division past decision in which Oakes is using as an argument to oppose a new trial or exoneration..

“In the absence of any other

explanation, the jury could have reasonably concluded that the female voice

belonged to Heidi Allen.”…How about this for another explanation….the female voice was Sharon Thibodeau. OR the “witnesses” didn’t hear the arguing on April 3. Kind of like how they supposedly saw Richards van at Gary’s on April 3 when it was really on April 9 when Richard picked Gary up to help search.

March 15-16/19

Gary Thibodeau..The Death Of Common Sense
- Why would an inv. and DA Oakes interrogate Jenn W. about the taped phone call after Oakes told Tonya it was useless.

- Funny thing is, the inv. were telling Tonya what questions to ask Jenn!!!!

- How the hell did MB get a fax from the DA's office/ DWI file? I think this and the other 500 things show this was a cover up. Wouldn't the OCSD inv. this and find out...may have been a good clue.

- After Jenn told them they brought Heidi to her house in MIKE BOHERE'S VAN why wasn't his van searched, tested or processed for DNA, hair etc.?
Seems like this would have been a good place to start, but they said they couldn't find or didn't know if MB even owned a van. Try the DMV...they have records.
Or ask the guy who said he borrowed it after MB had it repaired.

- Can you all see that some of the OCSD deputies and others were involved in this murder? They didn't screw the inv. up by accident, it was done as a cover up.

THIS IS SO OBVIOUS IT'S ALMOST FUNNY. TWO PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES SO THE DEPUTIES WOULD NOT GET CAUGHT.

" I'LL NEVER DO ANY TIME FOR WHAT WE DID TO HEIDI"...James Steen
"I know more about this case than the OCSD does"...James Steen
"After 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans"...Jenn Wescott
" They told me they took care of her in a van"..Jenn Wescott
" Heidi was never a CI ( just because her CI card had her name, code name doesn't prove a thing. another cover up.
" I don't know who sent that text to Mike the morning of the murders...I only own the phone. anyone could have used it. Didn't he say he was partying at James Steen's house the nite before? CYA Heidi tells me he knew James Steen was involved in her murder.

- You have to talk to Roger's wife...Jenn Wescott
- Roger and Tracy told me...Jenn Wescott
- Richard couldn't account for an hour on Easter Sunday. Richard said he never said that. And who could kidnap, kill and get rid of a body in one hour? Deputy is a liar.

- County issued cars going into the airport at 3-4 am...I was told to my face that the coke was coming in from the airport.

---- and there is so much more. AND THIS IS NOT OVER. LISA MAY WIN THE WRONGFUL DEATH SUIT WHICH MEANS SHE AS A FEDERAL DEFENDER MAY BE ABLE TO GET THE FBI INVOLVED.

****** YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COULD PUT YOU AWAY AND FIND JUSTICE FOR HEIDI & GARY? THEY ARE WALKING AROUND OSWEGO, FULTON, MEXICO ETC.

YOU BETTER HOPE SOMEONE'S GUILT DOESN'T GET TO THEM AND THEY GO TO THE FBI.

WE all hope you get inv. and go to prison.

A LOT OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH AND CAN HELP SOLVE THIS COVER UP.

PLEASE CALL LISA PEEBLES.

DO THE RIGHT THING.

THE FBI WILL PROTECT YOU AND YOU WILL LIVE IN PEACE FOR DOING SO.

March 15-16/19

Heidi Allen...to be continued
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhhuuY7p92w

Thank you, Brian, for continuing to post videos about this….
To answer your question about it making sense, it won’t because Johnathan Barkley IS A LIAR (just like Jennifer Wescott and a multitude of deputies involved with investigating this case) There’s none of this ‘the deputy is trying to make him look like a liar’ he was caught. Mr., you ARE A LIAR. And if you were to understand psychology, your reaction was typical deflection and agitation because Pietroski got you to tell the truth even though you initially LIED and the public can hear for themselves his lies. (Psychology appears to be above some people’s mental capacity, especially with the case of a missing young woman from their own community) Some of us do know how 2 + 1 = 4.
This witness was answering questions from an Oswego County Sheriff’s deputy with the least amount of integrity, only being beaten by the DA Greg. Whole bunch of CYA going on from the witnesses and law enforcement over the past 6 years. “Be on your way, Sir, and don’t talk to anyone about this case.” Same for Jennifer?
Pietroski and Greg are the DIRECT reasons that the truth about Heidi has not come out publicly. They lack the integrity to correctly piece the puzzle. Oh, “WE” know that Gary and Richard did not kidnap Heidi! “We” know that far better leads have come the past 6+ years. “We” are better investigators than those paid to find what happened or Where’s Heidi. Is there, finally, someone amongst the ranks that can show some character and integrity? Look at the evidence and the record and Investigate This Properly!!

March 8/19

Conspiracy or just more lies by Greg
I have access to the original messages if any officer would actually like to do their job. Here's the messages and its content. Is it a conspiracy or just flipping highly unusual the same names keep popping up in repeated deaths?
"Do you you remember when Murtagh was telling everyone he knew something and was going to bring Heidi home? I talked to Lisa Peebles because I always suspected Murtagh in the death of my brother. My mom received a call from John Obrein, that Murtagh claimed my brother dug a deep hole for Thumper, (aka James Steen) and that's probley where Heidi is. Lisa and John both knew he was lying, that's when Lisa and John told me rumor has it Thumper shot my brother. Jenn and Roger can rot, I was friends with both of them, I thought they were my brothers friends they kept me close so I wouldn't dig and told me crap all these years. (Attempted to convince the messenger that the victim did commit suicide.) They fn lived with me, I took Roger in and they betrayed me."
Just know messenger you aren't alone for your search for the truth to your loved one. I hope you, along with my own family some day have that truth and justice they and you deserve.

February 9/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Above the law...reply

This case was NOT botched.

Think:

- Cty issued vehicles in and out of the airport 4-5 am per the neighbors
- Deputy lied on the stand
- Jenn Westcott told the story and King closed the book on her

- EVERYONE who saw a van said it was blue or it was not the same van as Richards
- CI or not CI. One deputy who ran that area said she was.
- Is parking in front of your brothers house a crime?
- No DNA, etc in the van
- Mike Bohere gets FAX from the DA's DWI file... this shows that someone in the DA's office or the OCSD was involved in her murder.
- I still believe the some OCSD were involved because they were selling coke and sent the fax so MB would go talk to Bivens to change his mind about the van and get a favor from the Sheriff's office
- Files breached
- witnesses massaged to tell a different story
- MB hearing about the bracelet that Heidi had hid and then it turns up ten years later....
- Deputy lied when he said RT had no explanation for an hour that day...well neither did Breckingridge
- watch the JW interrogation. They did nothing with the info...dog n pony show.
- Impossible for the bros. to take her, talk to her and return her in the time line.
- Richard was seen at the store by Swenkowski but Gary was not....no one saw a kidnapping except Pierce ( who was discredited by King ) and Bivens who's story is a lie.
- The ( three ) each admitting to doing it but no investigation of them.
- Time line at the store...I still have my doubts about who, what and when.
- and Judge King stopping Lisa every chance he got.

My take: Some of the OCSD were selling drugs. Heidi found out and maybe said something.
MB, Breckenridge and Steen were hired to get her and would be helped by some of the OCSD to cover up the crime to also save their necks.

_ Now add in Oakes who told lisa.." I don't have a lot of confidence in the OCSD investigation."
Later changed his mind and said he did...because someone got to him and sat him down for a talk.

Gary is innocent. Some members of the OCSD and others are GUILTY!!!!!!!

February 9/18

Dancing with Bohrer
Mr. Greg Oakes is running for re election. God granted 3 to 4 others run against him. A part of that change everyone wanted was not just the Sheriff Dept., but the District Attorneys office. The county needs 3 to 4 candidates to run, to put Greg in a bad spot, he will be in a run for, his livelihood. This year is going to be fun, because Karma comes in many forms. Seeing as you took the life and livelihood of another, Gary Thibodeau. I wonder how you'll feel when the people vote all of you dirty politicians out of office. Because it's already happened. It'll continue to escalate to the point your careers are done. Just ask Sullivan. He knows!!! Gary's anniversary of his death, the disappearance of Heidi Allen anniversary is coming at the begining the middle and hopefully at the end of your campaign, the damage of the life you have destroyed will in turn destroy you. No one supports you, Greg. Unless they have some way of getting a political gain.
Here's one example of an online public post, I can't copy and paste thousands but this poster alone, said what we all are thinking; Mark Sherman; "Tell them that Oakes sucks and has to go. I will vote for his opponent if he is republican candidate." Mark Sherman you are not alone, he does suck. Others are requesting his arrest. "This scum should be locked away," another poster wrote.
I second that, I know many who will 3rd, 4th, 5th,.so on...1000th that vote.

February 7-8/18

Michael Bohrer
Really, Mrs. Sturtz, Rick Benningfield suspected Mike Bohrer. And you didn’t believe his suspicions why? Clearly he was an unbiased person. Which can’t be said for people who are trying to cover the incompetence of fellow officers. Mrs. Sturtz goes on to admit that the family intentionally kept it hidden about Heidi’s brush with the law and fact that she was giving law enforcement names of people who were selling drugs.

Is Mr. Benningfield still alive? Wonder if anyone tried to reach him for a statement. Rephrase, wonder if the defense tried…because the Sheriff’s don’t give a crap about who truly kidnapped Heidi….Hopefully though, the new Sheriff’s administration will look into this case, among others.

While it is a little comfort knowing that GOD shall punish those for ‘bearing false witness’ against thy neighbor, it is heartbreaking that it’s satisfactory to just have a conviction, now, for many of Heidi’s family and friends.

I follow another local missing person case and see drastic differences in how they act in finding/wanting the Truth about their loved one.

Dodd weaved a pretty good story, though. Telling people just what they wanted to hear. “We are 99.9% certain” Gary and Richard acted together…. 99.9% certain only got one conviction, why was that??? Could the answer be because it was impossible….I, for one, am glad that Richard’s jurors could see the evidence and weaved story for what it was….not amounting to the truth!!

December 17-18/18

Asking for a friend..
Big ol Barney refused then to answer any further questions. Why he was ever cleared by Wheeler is beyond mosts understanding, follow the coke and the money. Wheeler was so terrified to answer any of Peebles questions he took off running when he saw her investigator coming and I'll quote him he said, "You people want to put me in prison." Well yes officer, yes we do. He then ran and locked himself behind a door, none of them will answer any questions. Not even the Sheriff's and DA Oakes or Moody, don't ask them a damn thing all they do is lie, sounds just like Barney and Wheeler. See attached, also take note a witness caught a red truck and innocent Brett Law at the store that morning parked side by side. Maybe Brett needs to come clean about his friendship to Barney, but then again he to refuses to answer any further questions. If not I personally can lead the new sheriff straight to a common friend of theirs so he knows these boys are all full of shit. Including Jeremy Powers who is linked to the same union as bad ass biker bitch Barney. Dig, Hilton it's all there, maybe Powers the mysterious cabin digger should come clean on who his neighbor is and who, was in the woods and how that neighbor of his "Chucky" links straight to Roger Breckenridge. All friends all linked all can be proven if Hilton was to pull up one thing the law suit Chucky faced by Breckenridges 2 nephews Mike West and Harry West he will see the link. Oakes did Steen ever live on Powers property? Jeremy tisk tisk you truly think no one knows? Please bud he lived smack dab between you and Chucky for several years in a bright blue mobile home with an old lady relative of yours. Hilton may want to interrogate you himself seeing as the nimrod sheriff's couldn't figure that all out but Chucky LOL is with Rogers relative, go have coffee Jeremy and warn Chucky the cats out of the bag. Chucky, Debbie Vechio pointed right at your house she watched you two nimrods enter your front door. One form is all Hilton needs the law suits from the west family to prove the connection they used Alexander and Catalono one broke their ankle and one broke his hip on the job both walked away w wads of cash. Takes a real officer to hunt down facts. These are all facts, Jeremy best hope Hilton doesn't connect the dots. Chucky you also have explaining to do. Asking for a friend who is your significant other, wouldn't happen to be Breckenridge sister.

November 17/18

Here is a picture of a van that was posted on this web.

Look bluish white with dark doors and a stripe that can be seen in the back?

Is this the van Bivens said twice that he saw? Is this the van Mrs. Fabin saw and said it was lt. blue swerving behind her in Mexico?

Jenn " there were two vans".

Blue to kidnap her and white to get rid of her.

So why was the OCSD so adamant about it being white?

Because Richard had a white van? Oh yeah I think it was.

October 18/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
I am going to post this again because I really believe this is why MB got a fax about Bivens' DWI case and Bivens changed his story about the van in court.

Bohere gets a fax from the DA's DWI file.

It's about Bivens' DWI case.

Bohere talks to Bivens and confronts him that if you help them convict Gary by changing your story of the van you saw, maybe they'll drop your DWI charge.

Why would Bohere get a fax about Bivens' DWI charge...think about it.

Then connect the dots of OCSD cars going into the airport at 3-4 am and the fact they did everything they could NOT to arrest the " three" other guys even after Jenn gave them all the info they needed.

LE knew who to protect, who was getting kick backs to ignore drug deals, who was selling it.

October 16/18

Thank you Mr. Stinson
I'm trying to reconcile who owned a two tone Bronco and a red pickup truck that a witness claimed were in the D&W parking lot at or around 7:45am.

They didn't belong to Mr. Swenszkowski, Mrs. Granger, you. Mr. Wiltse, at the 7:39am transaction time, testified to no other cars being there and seeing the red car before he left.

There are police notes/leads that have been made public that just might explain who the vehicles could have belonged to. One of them could have belonged to the "probably suspect" person on April 14, 1994. Curiously, the person who claimed to have seen the 2 vehicles around 7:45am made his statement on April 13, 1994 after a 're -interview', if I remember correctly. But that person was already named on a lead from Mr. Allen previous to this witness' interview. What time did Brett Law leave the store? He testified to 6:35am but Lisa Buske's book said he left at 7:15am. Is that what you remember from reading "Where's Heidi?"?

Curious how Brett was ruled out. According to police notes, Brett's Bronco was white and brown. Was it simply because of the time he said he left? I don't recall if the D&W co-owner that testified at the Hearing confirmed what time Brett left. It did come to light in the trial that Brett assaulted an ex-gf and didn't treat Heidi very well, from witness statements. I'm also curious how Heidi's diaries/day planners were used in Richard's trial vs not being available for Mr. Fahey to peruse himself when they came to light during Gary's sentencing.

When looking at a crime such as this where it appears that Heidi had to have been lured out of the store, either by someone she knew or a customer that was having trouble at a pump, someone with a motive would seem more plausible rather than someone that had no link to Heidi.?.

Something that I have a REALLY hard time wrapping my head around is...How can Heidi's family still trust law enforcement, Dodd, Oakes and Todd specifically, when they are firm to the belief that the inmates were telling the truth that Heidi and Gary had a drug relationship? It just doesn't fit, especially with what came out with Brett Law's most recent interview to police.

Clearly the times were off. But by how much? 2 minutes, 5 minutes 10 minutes? Time enough for some people to meet up in the parking lot for a drug deal as police were told happened?

Has anyone else considered the vehicle placement from Bivens, Mr. Pierce and that 7:45am lead? Doesn't Bivens testify that the van was parked perpendicular to the store near the single front door? What sense would that make for anyone who was brazen enough to kidnap another person during daytime, on a Holiday when people would be driving the streets to go to church or to relatives' houses, to park perpendicular when the vehicle could have been used to obstruct view?

October 13/18

Nervous??
The good ol boys should be nervous. Seeing as there is a lack of common sense in the Sheriff Department and the DA Office, they may comprehend one thing. Hilton's victory was "we the people" coming for you. It was their way of saying after watching the drugs, the deaths, the lies, the murders, the injustice seep through every cranny of oz, we the people flipped you the bird. Many that night made phone calls to others, many laughed their asses off when Hilton won, we knew your time was done. Many cried that night a flicker of hope was all they needed and the hope rests in Hilton's hands. So Sheriffs it's time for a deep cleaning after the death of Gary Thibodeau and the many sick things you've done to others, we pray the ones who intentionally did this, spend the remainder of their lives behind bars. Many also hope Greg Oakes, Moody, Petrowski are lead from the department in cuffs by federal authorities with Dodd and both Todd's in shackles, just as they did to Gary Thibodeau, don't forget to lead them down the stairs Gary fell down. Times ticking. Some day, you'll run out of time, maybe it'll kick off in 2019. If so enjoy your holiday. May it be your last free world holiday you ever spend not behind bars. Shaking in your boots I hear, good it's time the fear you've sent out in to the community haunts you, until it catches up with you and the last words you hear are you have the right to remain silent. Hilton's standing at the gates of Oz, point blank hell, if he listens to Johnny Cash he will remember this when he faces the reality of Oz, we can only hope he never backs down https://youtu.be/N8i5NLyXZdc

October 13/18

Enough said..

One or two jurors were wrong. Hung jury, how funny, so which one of the bunch swayed the jury?

October 13/18

Is Bivens color blind?
Reading about this Bivens is the 2nd 0r 3rd witness to say the van was light blue.

Mrs. Fabin in a statement about a van behind her said the same thing.
Bivens stated wrong van twice and then after they showed him pictures of it he changed his mind in court and helped convict an innocent man.

Just wondering would this swing in his testimony be held up in court?
Twice he denied it and it still held up.

And all this time Mike Bohere had a white van. What happened to it?
Was it crushed, sold, given away?

I think I remember the OCSD said they couldn't find any record of him owning a white van just weeks after the crime.

A person testified to Mike letting him use it to scrap.

AND NO INVESTIGATION OF THIS...EVER!

And of course there wasn't any cover up in this crime.

Please contact the OCSD with any info and they will shred it as soon as they get it.

Do you remember Tonya on TV saying she was getting death threats? From who? Gary was in prison and he wouldn't do it any way, she was helping him.

Guess who.

October 13/18

Before contacting the OCSD you might want to wait until after the first of the year when the new sheriff takes over.

This sheriff has yet to show any interest in getting to the truth.

Today's Quote October 12/2018

The smallest deed is better than the greatest intention. John Burroughs
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_burroughs_120946

The smallest deed is better than the greatest intention.

John Burroughs

Bivens
There has to be a reason he would go along with what Dodd and the police told him.
Though I hate to agree with Mike Bohrer as he is a piece of shit...he was right about Bivens' first statement being closest to the truth. His testimony certainly wasn't truthful. Page 1297 of the trial transcript, Bivens first mentions that male 2 had a limp. If that was correct, that would make Richard (according to the 'theory') as the person holding Heidi. How tall was Richard? Noticeably shorter than Heidi.

Gary's verdict failed all the rules the judge gave to them. Check the partial judges instructions posted here on September 27, 2018.

Have ya'll carefully considered the leads that were posted in Lisa Peebles' filing? https://www.scribd.com/document/244161048/Part-3-Thibodeau-Response-to-DA-in-Heidi-Allen-Case

October 12/18

From Gary "the Innocent" Thibodeau
https://www.facebook.com/FREEGARYTHIBODEAU/

October 20, 2018 @ 2pm-Meet and greet

October 12/18

Stephen Miller's 3rd Grade Teacher Calls Him 'A Strange Dude' Who Ate Glue
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bbe815de4b0b27cf47a54b9

October 12/18

Stinson answers
Stinson was driving a little grey car. Make and model not remembered. I've owned three. I know it wasn't the first (Ford escort), the wife totaled that while the kids were still young enough to hang upside down in car seats, I know it wasn't the third one (Chevy Lumina), the youngest was old enough to total that one, Yup, had to be the second one. Funny what we do remember.

October 12/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Death of common sense:

Example #1. If Bivens says he saw a man with a girl in a bear hug and the OCSD and Dodd and Oakes are adamant about Richard and Gary as the true suspects, consider this.

Swenkowski testified to seeing Richard there, even had to swerve around his van as they were both leaving the parking lot...his testimony.

#1. If it were Richard's van with Gary, then at the time Swenkowski was leaving, Swenkowski should have seen the crime...which he did not.

#2. Bivens should have seen a red sports car that Swenkowski was driving, but he didn't.

How can that be? Saw a van but not a red sports car next to it?

And why didn't he say he saw a red car? Because he didn't.

He didn't because both Richard and Swenkowski both left and Bivens saw a van that came in after this and he watched a kidnapping.

My hunch has always been someone came after Richard left and grab Heidi.

And I remember reading Steen said ...we just got lucky, a van was there just before us.

I think he told that to Tonya and after that I believe Tonya said Thumper there is an innocent man sitting in prison. Thumper said.."not my problem."

Just more reason to believe Richard and Gary did not do this.

And Dodd if you go to trial for this cover up...BETTER USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!
Or better yet..."DROP A DIME"

October 12/18

stinson adds
Now that I'm not concentrating on it, I think it was a saturn.

Today's Quote October 11/2018

There is nothing is more musical than a sunset.
Claude Debussy

Mr. Stinson
Thank you for recalling specific details about April 3, 1994.
Were you driving a red pickup truck that morning?
Thank you for your response.

October 11/18

Scott DelConte
I see the "Republican Haters", the "Trump Sheep", are trying to discredit a very good man, with vast amount of experience and temperament to hold the Oswego County Judge seat. This is the typical hate campaign that is so standard of the truly uneducated people who subscribe to the Trump philosophy.
Scott will be an excellent Judge who will make fair judgments based on the facts instead of party politics, which is typical of the Republican Judicial System that now rules Oswego County.
Maybe if Scott was the judge for the Thibodeau trial, there may have been a different outcome.
I will vote for Scott DelConte and if you want a judicial system that is fair, you should also.

October 11/18

Have to laugh
I recently sat by one of the families involved in Heidi Allen, Hilton was brought up, wouldn't you know it they are spreading Hilton's corrupt. I have to laugh must be fear is getting to them. An outsider coming in, so now they want to destroy his integrity as they did Gary Thibodeaus. I then brought up the idea drug use in Oswego is higher than any area is New York LOL once again they claimed Hilton's dirty doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. I hope one of the words they hear from Hilton is, you have the right to remain silent. Maybe then they'll learn to shut their traps. Hilton needs to brace for impact they are out to destroy who he is.

October 11/18

Timeline
I can say I believe Stitson, I do think he arrived at the time he testified to, I don't think he saw a damn thing as he admitted. The fact is the timeline is off, the cash register was broken, the wall clock was never changed and the only two who collaborated the times to be right on with Officer Curtis's watch time was himself and the store owner Kris Duell, the very person who hired Heidi, who found her CI card, and the one who's file was tampered with. Which ones really the liars, Stitson or the two who lied about the time frame? My guess the 2 who lied, tampered with a hid information. Kris Duell needs to be re interrogated properly by FBI, along with her side kick Curtis who let her inside the store with a crime scene going on. They made certain the scene was tampered with once Kris touched the cash register. Funny how that all worked.

October 11/18

Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign...and the sign says there were two white vans at the store
What we have uncovered but can't do anything about it ( yet ) really shows what a railroad job was done on Gary.

Wouldn't it have been interesting if Gary ..As he should have been ...been acquitted. Then what would the OCSD do?

We know that Jenn W. DID NOT lie on the call with Tonya.
The taped interrogation by Pietroski let her give him a weak explanation that she was just telling Tonya to shut her up. Ever think of hanging up.
Then she fails a poly to this effect.

Second interrogation with Oakes in the room and a lap top appears and papers in Oakes' hands as if the tape stopped and restarted.

Jenn was asked questions and admitted she was told by someone about Heidi....so that pproves she didn't lie on the phone with Tonya.

Now the inv. just got what he wanted and what the f**k does he do....he lets her leave.

The phone call, and the two interrogations were just a dog and pony show. Jenn really didn't commit to anything but what more do you want as a cop trying to solve a case?

THEY DID NOTHING>
I stated before it isn't what they did in this investigation, it's what they didn't do.

She even told them that she didn't know Roger, but stayed at his house and went to Florida with him after the Heidi crime. And this she admitted to.

So you see Oakes why we think and know this is a cover up. She lied, told the truth, lied again, you offered her immunity and knew damn well she would not take it or got scared to take it...all this to make her look not credible.

It's pretty obvious who you are protecting because you should have pushed Jenn and then we would have the truth.
Did you and Dodd protect a mass of people that were in the coca cola business?
How stupid do you have to be to drive a county issued vehicle into the airport at 3-4 am? Should have used your own cars with fake plates.
I wonder what they were doing there? Night flying lessons?
It couldn't be to buy...naw, that can't be true.

Even the airport manager said he should have done more. Hard to believe that he didn't know what was going on. Were there security cameras there?
Were they checked?

See Dodd, it's not what you did, it's what you didn't do.
Having trouble sleeping?
Relax it may all be over soon and you can get one hour of exercise time per day.
October 11/18

Today's Quote October 9-10/2018

It is never too late to be what you might have been.

George Eliot

Can only warn for so long
You can only warn for so long, they truly think they got away with it. It does not seem so to me, the people are furious over Gary Thibodeau and the drugs flowing through their county. My bad to say it, but they should be and many are. Take need in the warnings I'm pretty sure in time someone with balls will take you all down. Let's all agree on one thing it's a fake time line, with no witnesses to even collaborate their time line, no one saw a thing, the only one who said he did was on scene the same time Curtis arrived. Bivens has serious explaining to do and it's disturbing to know a man was prosecuted and died in prison for a time line that's impossible and witnesses that have lied, switched their testimony or statements several times, simply to seal a prosecutors case. Just sickening and completely immoral. Karma is a bitch when it comes back around I believe this next punch Wescott, Breckenridge is going to hurt.

October 9-10/18

Heidi Allen and a clean get away
The idea of a kidnapping in a store, with small space and very neat after the crime probably means one thing.

Heidi knew someone and trusted them enough to go outside and this is where she was probably grabbed.
The Friday paper on the floor?? Don't know. Why would a Friday paper be there on a Sunday and why was it the only one on the floor?

Was it being used to hold in front of someone's face to hide?
Were there forensics done for prints etc?

Who sent MB the fax from DWI dept? Oakes said it couldn't come from DA's office, 3 months too early...but it can be copied and sent from some other fax. Getting MB's fax number by mistake is a very long shot. And very hard to believe.

I looks like they wanted MB to know about Bivens. But why? Is MB involved and possibly some OCSD deputies?

Heidi knew and trusted this one person ( imo ).

Now who would she know enough that would be a kidnapper and possible murderer in this area?

MB stated that she made him a sandwich almost everyday. Meat was on the slicer and she was obviously interrupted before she could make a sandwich. Also MB owned a white van that Jenn alluded to in the taped call that Oakes and King both said was not credible.

Did they ask the inv. sitting next to Tonya and telling her what to ask if the questions were credible. All because Jenn and Tonya talked the night before. Jenn said he kid pushed the wrong button...right!

I think it was all done to discredit Tonya and have anything said dismissed.

Another thing I find odd is Jenn told she knew and was told about Heidi in her second interrogation. But started crying and told the cop that she is really trying to remember and tell him what she knew.

Would anyone forget the facts in an event like this? She remembered there were 2 vans and even told the inv. this. But even though it
seemed like they were after info, I really doubt it. They got the info and did nothing with it...another attempt to discredit or get Jenn out of trouble...even said so...Jenn you're not staying here was said by one inv.

And Jenn telling that " the DA is trying to save me but it's up to the judge." What the hell does that mean? DA trying to save instead of investigate a person who knows something in an unsolved case?

How much massaging of witnesses statements did we read about? Certain situations and people not really being investigated.

Instead of getting a physic ( which don't even exist ) why not get someone from the FBI that reads body language and facial expressions to catch liars?

After 5 years, I think anyone would have asked the FBI for help....why didn't the OCSD?
October 9-10/18

MURTAUGHS TWEETS
You want to see Murtaugh's tweets from 2015, Well here they are, I saved them: Please pa close attention to the last tweet!

Richard murtaugh retweeted
james gulliver @jgcopycat · Feb 6

"@SarahMoses315: Jennifer Wescott said she lied to Tonya Priest because she just wanted to give Priest attention. #HeidiAllen" woah.

Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Feb 6

#HeidiAllen I'm willing to bet $100,000.00 rt sits right beside the podium so he can try to intimidate jw today .. Mark my words !!

Richard murtaugh retweeted
syracuse.com @syracusedotcom · Feb 3

RT @SarahMoses315: Reuel Todd said in 1994 that #HeidiAllen was not really an informant and there was no informant file for her.

Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 16

#HeidiAllen "trying to intimidate me" but no it didn't work .. No intimidating the truth.. Mouthing " your dead "
1 retweet 0 favorites
Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 16

#HeidiAllen Richard t sitting in court room trying to intimidate me . That's why I had a side bar with my lawyer ..

Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 14

#heidiallen after 20 plus years this is the best they can come up with? & it all started from towing a van that was never at Gary's .. Joke

October 8/18

Stinson replies to common sense.
The remark "you'll have to be better with your time" was said to me by Investigator Hall. 4/7/1994
My first written statement 4/3/94 at 0840 was that I was there at 7:40.( that is on this website.)
When Hall came to me and said, "be better with your time" I replied offhand "7:40 and 1/2."
He replied, " she had a transaction at 7:42"
I replied, " her clock was wrong"
That is what led to our checking the register, my home clock, my watch, etc. See my previous posts.
We've beaten these two minutes to death. I've stated my background, experience etc, in an attempt to reinforce my own accuracy or at least not my own idiocy. I don't want to keep proselytizing me me me . Hell, I might be wrong. In the end, it's just: he said - they said. It ain't evidence. I didn't see anything anyway.
There is nothing more to squeeze out here. I arrived. Heidi was gone. Clocks were close, that's all there is.
Whether there was a fair trial, real evidence, reliable witnesses, recanting jurors, etc - you need to look there.
I wish you luck, it's just not my windmill to slay right now.

October 7/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death and Cover Up Of An Innocent Man
Remember when this all broke in 2013-14? Oakes came out and said there wasn't a cover up.....and there wasn't any evidence either Mr. Oakes.

How much ( facts ) have we uncovered since then. Facts, suspicious acts, lies, lies by Dodd, Oakes and the OCSD.
Jenn was let go by the OCSD inv.

I ( imo ) think the tapes of the interrogations have been audited. One that really jumped out at me was when Jenn was interrogated by Pietroski and he asked her when this happened. She said " in August " and the tape looks as if it were stopped, jumped etc. I am not an expert and maybe this is normal video tape behavior.

How many have come forward to tell about Steen, Mike and Roger saying they did it?

How many said this before or gave other info and were ignored by the OCSD?

Why has Tonya gotten death threats? Are we getting too close to something?
Why wasn't MB's white van followed up on?

Did the OCSD ask neighbors if any of the 3 left early that morning?
Oakes as a lawyer gave evidence late to Lisa.

Jenn practically wrote a short story about what happened and it was ignored too.
WHY? She was ready to tell all and she did after she was caught lying about he taped phone call and still nothing was done with this info.

Really OCSD how much hint do you need to follow and investigate info such as this?

Judge King, you were beautiful, John Gotti would have been proud of you. One F**king year to decide a question??? Quit you job.

As far a appeals go, Lisa is right, she should have won but appeals are hard to win.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST....IT AIN'T OVER YET GUYS. YOU SHOULD THANK KING FOR ALL THAT HE DID TO STOP GARY FROM GETTING ANOTHER TRIAL. IF LISA HAD AFAIR JUDGE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN WIDE OPEN.

TO QUOTE JOHNNY FRANK GARRET IN THE DOC..."THE LAST WORD"...i'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU TO LOOK FORWARD TO TOMORROW."
Watch this doc on you tube it's ending will knock you over.

October 7/18

7:16am
I did notice 716 was written on the flip side.
I just find it difficult to fathom that if the deputy who was taking the notes about specific information, like what Heidi was wearing, etc...on the note that they would mistake the last transaction time while the deputy was, my presumption, standing over, so to speak, Mrs. Duell as she was checking the register tape on April 3, 1994.

October 6/18

Mum is the word
It has been said by gallery members at the beginning of Gary Thibodeau’s Hearing that another gallery member handed the prosecution side a purple envelope during the Hearing.

Did judge King address the gallery about no interaction with the gallery and lawyers before or after the envelope was passed to the prosecution? The judge’s instruction about that is on the record. Basically, what I want to know is Did the person hand the prosecution the envelope and then the instructions or did the instructions come first and someone violated the judge’s instruction?

Hey, Murtaugh, whatever happened to your claim that someone keyed your sister’s white truck? Did you report it? If not, why not?

Here’s a tissue, cry baby. If you don’t want dirty looks from people, START Telling The COMPLETE Truth. Same goes……nvm.

October 6/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
https://www.writing.com/main/portfolio/view/bohrer

Went over this quickly. May be old news to a lot of you but it does have some interesting time problems.
And a quote by a deputy..." you'll have to do better with your time."
Was this written by Michael Bohrer?

October 6/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
***** Richard exited the store, hopped back in to his van . **** Attempting to leave just as fast as he came. Richard watched John as he stood by his car. Richard was waiting for the man to move his vehicle, so he could leave. He was carrying a newspaper. The man threw his newspaper on to the car seat. John then climbed in to his car, and to Richard's amazement, the man started to pack his smokes. By patting the bottom of the pack in the palm of his hand. The man then opened them, pulling out one and lite a cigarette before he even thought of driving off. Finally, he put his seat belt on and John, proceeded to leave. Richard was relieved as he followed the man out of the D&W parking lot.
John said, "As I drove past the van began to move."

In the Da's Facts it gives the impression that the van moved without anyone in it. According to this statement, Richard got into his van and waited for Swenkowski to move so he could leave. Did the story get twisted again? Did the van move because Richard was in it and maybe put it in gear?
This would be a more logical reason Swen. saw the van move 7 feet or so.

Again no one saw Gary there, or Heidi with them in the van.

Then someone pulled in, and they took Heidi. Was Steen's, Mike's and Roger's houses, clothes or cars searched for fabrics? Of course not, that would have cracked the case, and some people would have gone down for this crime.

October 6/18

Today's Quote October 5/2018

Behavior is what a man does, not what he thinks, feels, or believes.
Emily Dickinson

RE: Re Bohrer getting faxes with the DWI unit phone number
“District Attorney Gregory Oakes argued this morning that the faxes would not likely have come from the DA's office because they're dated May 31, 1994. That's three months before the sheriff's Heidi Allen investigative file was moved into the DA's office, Oakes said.”
How about this theory….the fax number showing on the statement that Mike Bohrer had, were from the DA’s DWI unit because Mr. Bivens was facing DWI charges on his October 1993 ‘car accident’?
How about this? The DA’s office was going to give him a hush hush ‘deal’, like what Baldasaro got for
his criminal activity.
Please, people, come forward with the TRUTH.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/03/how_did_possible_

heidi_allen_kidnapping_suspect_bohrer_get_police_reports_faxed.html

Please post the above after the link from syracuse.com about Mr. Whipple’s testimony.

The above quote is also from the same article.

October 5/18

Stinson replies:
Yes, My watch was a few minutes off, but I didn’t rely on it to determine my arrival time.
When I left the house, the wife was setting the clock and we were discussing Easter plans.
It probably seldom happens, just before a crime, that two people are talking about the time.
Add about 3 minutes for the drive. (Inv. Hall ran that with me a few times.)
That put me at 7:41 per my home clock. And that’s why I’m confident of my time.
I always believed that I missed Heidi by seconds. How many? I don’t know.
Her last transaction 7:42 register time.
She disappeared. *
I arrived. 7:41 estimated from my home clock.
*If Bivens and also Pierce drove by, didn’t stop and saw an abduction… it was here*
*If there was another van, or she ran away, or whatever… it was here.*
In the seconds or couple of minutes that the register clock vs mine were in error.
I had a little experience in writing reports;
If you notice in my original 1994 statement - I substantiate my statements.
I remember the time - because my wife & I were talking about it.
I remember no one on the road at my house - because I was watching out for my pet geese.
I remember there was no customers - because I zipped dangerously by the front steps.
I didn’t suspect a crime - because the register had a price, her purse was there etc.
That substantiation and writing my statement on “the-day-of” is why I remain confident in my
arrival time, the weather and that I didn’t see anyone else.
To post “7:16” 10/4
Did you notice that 716 is the area code on the flip side of the receipt that is used as a note.
Could it just be a scribbled mistake at a busy crime scene? And not a freudian slip.
Sunrise was 6:45 that day. People would have remembered if they left home in the dark.
So I doubt if the time of last transaction can be backed up to 7:16
The register wasn’t too far off. I was still there when it was opened.
I won’t swear to the time I think it was, because I have since learned what the answer should
be.
Also to other posters 10/4
Thank you,
I’m not offended, I expect to be scrutinized, just not shot over a misunderstood timeline.
You may have this apology:
People that know me will tell you: I’m usually two things - flippant and right. (Both annoying)
I believe there will be further investigation.
So, all I can do is testify as a disinterested witness. (unbiased, but I like that word)
As we age & memories fade, Someday my statements will have to suffice.
But in the end, testimony is just testimony, not evidence.
I appreciate those that follow this case, to find Heidi or if there was an miscarriage of justice.

October 5/18

Curious
Something just caught my attention---

Notice the date at the beginning of the “Supplemental Report” from OCSD about Tracy Breckenridge.

Notice the date the documents were stamped ‘Received” and the date written by the deputy on page 3 of 3.

They don’t coincide. No green mark or received by the DA’s office stamp.

These two witnesses were just brought to light from Lisa Peebles about Roger Breckenridge’s possible involvement in Heidi’s disappearance? Certainly the deputy who conducted the interview knew of these people in 1994/1995. HHmmm….
October 4/18

Addition to Was Roger Breckenridge involved
https://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/two_new_heidi_allen_witnesses_

reveal_breckenridges_wife_saidi_he_did_something_t.html

Here is the new revelation about the witnesses.

Thank you to ALL who have the courage and integrity to come forward in whichever manner you choose!!

Special Thank You to Mr. Stinson for reiterating that the register times could not have been correct. Does that explain why a deputy went to the D&W in August 1994 to get the transaction record from April 2, 1994? Why would Mr. Whipple have made a memo about Heidi’s case file being tampered with the very next day the deputy retrieved the April 2, 1994 transaction tape? https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/03/how_did_possible_heidi_

allen_kidnapping_suspect_bohrer_get_police_reports_faxed.html

Half-way in the article is the testimony from Mr. Whipple giving some details about the breach.
October 4/18

To Stinson...from Common Sense
I was using Swenkowski's Richard's and your time that didn't you say you were there at 7:41? Timed with a deputy days later?

But my point was that the DA's witness Bivens, what time was he there? He never said to the OCSD. Later he said " he didn't remember telling a cop that he was there between 8-8:30. He didn't id the van the first two times until they showed him pictures and then changed his mind at trial.

I (imo) don't even think he was there at all. If he was, it had to be after 7:42, which according to you, you had to be there too. So Bivens is "confused: so to speak. I used Swenkowski's time as another reference to 7:41 asa he testified he saw Richard there and saw Richard leave after Richard bought items from HEIDI!!!!

I am not accusing you, but the only Bivens who claims to have seen the crime and didn't call until 3-4 days later strikes me as odd to say the least.

I remember someone saying.."we just got lucky, a van pulled in just before we did."

But if Bivens was there after 7:42 and you were there until after 8 am ( your words ) and other people were there a little later than this really makes me wonder how Biven's testimony held up? Maybe that is why he never gave a time in his first statement to OCSD...make sense?

Bottom line I am using other people to figure out what time he was there. And what cop wouldn't ask him for the time he was there. It isn't in Oakes' Statement of Facts...hmmmmm.

Not pointing my finger at you and I will read again...sorry.

I can't believe anyone could read all of these statements and not see a coverup. Even Mrs. Fabin said the van swerving behind her was light blue, just like Bivens said twice to the OCSD then changed his mind.
October 4/18

Reply to don't mean to confuse you more
Don't mean to confuse you even more. What do you think about the last transaction time being crossed off?
If Swenkowski left house at 7:30 and did buy from Heidi at 7:41 and the last transaction was crossed off and changed from 7:42 to 7:16 that would point to Richard being there around 7:16 as he bought from Heidi. But how do you account for Swenkowski leaving a friend's house at 7:30 ( his watch ) and seeing Heidi and Richard at 7:41? **** if they did back up the clock then that would mean all the customers were there a lot earlier than they thought.

I am not using the cash register's time for what time people were there rather using the time they said the left a house, who they saw and at what time?

Remember there were transactions at or before 7:30 and Heidi was there.

I am pretty sure Swenkowski looked at a clock at friends house before he left to stop at D&W and then go to Nine Mile.

It's possible that the wrong time was written down and then changed.

Maybe I am confused about the time, maybe I am looking at it in a different way. From the customers arrivals not the cash register.

If 7:16 was the last transaction then how do you explain customers like Wiltsie etc seeing Heidi before 7:42? Pretty sure they had some idea of what time they were there.

My take on this:

Richard left and Heidi was still there.
Someone came right after that and took her. Bivens says he saw it all but never gives the OCSD a time he was there.
This, I believe was done intentionally. Every cop gets the time a witness was there.
And to Mr. Stinson ( just a question for my curiosity) if you never got a transaction as Heidi was gone, how are you so sure you were there at 7:41? The register wouldn't have anything to do with your time, you must have looked at your watch. Your watch was off if you believe Biven's account of the crime.

And if you go back you will read where a deputy erinterviews a witness and tells them "they have to do better with their time."

**** not accusing you Mr. Stinson just trying to put a time line in place that a star witness didn't know or tell the cops what time he saw a crime.

If anyone can prove me wrong ( with facts ) please respond. I am on your side with all of this but we all look at things a little differently.

ME: I believe cover up.

Sorry if I offended anyone and in no way am I pointing a finger at anyone mentioned to being involved. Hopefully Lisa wins and the FBI takes over.
October 4/18

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Light blue van as witnesses describe they saw...even Bivens, Mrs. Fabin etc.
ld Chevy C-10 Light blue van with dark blue doors on Route 3
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
There's a light blue Chevy C-10 van on State Route 3 in between Pulaski and Mexico - with dark blue doors - parked on a side lawn of a property in between Pulaski and Mexico on State Route 3 van before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County. . You can easily see it from the road. It's on the left-hand side if you're heading west (toward Mexico). It looks to be around the same year as RT's, but more closely matches the description of some witnesses. It would be interesting to see who the property owner is or who owned the before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County.
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
October 4/18

To Dave Stinson..your statement put on Oswegonylion by you
I had driven to the D&W and arrived at 7:40 - 7:41. Again, My House Time. There was a red
station wagon where an employee would park and a white car out by the corner for sale. But
there were no customer cars, So I zipped by the front steps and parked close. It was raining.

So you can see why I am so curious about the time Bivens was there because he didn't give a time nor did the OCSD ask him for one...sound suspicious? Please do not conclude that I am accusing Stinson of involvement in the Heidi Allen crime...I am not.

This in not about Mr. Stinson, rather just a question of time of crime, time Bivens was there and others that may have been there.

And if Swenkowski was there at 7:41 and saw Heidi and saw Richard there and saw him leave, then someone had to come after 7:42 to grab Heidi.
October 4/18

Trump races against clock to roll back major Obama-era environment rules
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/03/trump-administration-

roll-back-major-obama-era-environment-policies

October 4/18

To what do you think about the time 7:16 crossed out
Tape from register according to Mrs. Duell:

1. 4:06 am
2. 7:20 am paper bought and Heidi rang it up
3. 7:40 Wiltsie buys paper and Heidi rings it up
4. 7:41 Swenkowski buys 2 papers and cigarettes and Heidi rings it up
5. Stinson said he was at the store at 7:41 but Heidi was not there
6. 7:42 Richard buys 2 packs of cigarettes and Heidi rings it up
*** sometime in here Bivens witnesses a crime. But remember he also said there may have been a van, I don't know for sure. But he also stated the van was light blue and then changed his mind and said it matched Richards van...a van he said may not have even been there.
7. 7:45 Stinson sees a deputy and he pulls in to the D&W

You can see that if times were accurate and the deputies watch, wall clock, register were all the same time when Curtis checked it with Duell there.

There was no 7:16 transaction IMO.

I also believe Stinson but I think the only way he could have been there BEFORE the crime and didn't see Heidi is that his watch may have been off 1-2 or 3 minutes.

My whole premise is not to accuse, but to try and figure out how this crime with all these wholes happened but never got solved.

Here's a true story from back then.

A person who I know would not have a reason to lie was told by a guy that back then his brother was stopped by 2 deputies. They found some coke, took it and let the guy go.

This is what I am seeking, not the fact that Gary was wrongfully convicted or poor Heidi is gone but way beyond that. And if you put it all together along with a retired cop saying cocaine was sold out of the Oswego Police department.....now you know who I think is guilty. Throw in the neighbors statements about county issued cars going in and out of the airport at 3-4 am.

Think about Judge King and how he blocked Lisa, Greg turning over evidence the Friday before the trial, Greg telling Lisa that he didn't have much faith in the integrity of the OCSD investigation, Jenn W. and all she said the was dimissed inn a open case, texts erased, files breached, taped phone call the Jenn said was not true but then goes in for another interrogation and says she was told about what happened to Heidi.

Add in that she failed a poly and walked away, that she texted a friend that she lied to cops and the DA was trying to protect her????? Think about that.

10 people testified that 3 others admitted to taking Heidi and King says the stories were all different so it is not reliable. No kidding King, they were probably told at different times...think he didn't throw a road block at Lisa P.? He said NONE of it was reliable..none.

Now I may be a bit off on the time line because I didn't take it at face value, I thought about it a lot and it still doesn't make sense, not that the times were fudged after the crime, but the fact about who was there and at what times. Again I am not accusing Stinsonn or anyone, just being curious about things that don't make sense.

And don't forget MB got a fax from the DA's office, one deputy said he was incharge of the ACT TEAM and Heidi was a CI and those all important jail house snitches that one has already changed his story..and they did get favors for this...read about it.

If Gary is found to be guilty, really guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I will volunteer to finish his time in prison.
October 4/18

Stinson writes:
Reply to “weather” 9/18; I won’t argue with farmersalmanac.com.
If they said, “rain/drizzle, snow/ice pellets”. Then, that was the weather on April 3rd 1994.
Did they say what the morning weather was?
Reply to “killer” 9/22: Sorry, if my story was long. Sometimes names, dates, quotes etc really
drag on. If you find a post or topic redundant; You can skip it. You can skip it.
Reply to “common sense” 10/1: On 9/14/18 I posted everything I ever knew about the case.
Please read it. You still have the timeline wrong.
I was there after Heidi disappeared.
7:41 by my clock - not the register clock, which was broken.
October 2-3/18

Bobby Wheeler lying during a pre-trial Hearing
No big deal, right? He must not have recalled he was at the meeting on April 15, 1994 when Gary was named 'prime suspect'. Must not have recalled getting the warrant from MA in May 1994.

I understand. I sometimes have a difficult time remembering details from a situation I was involved with several weeks after the fact.

October 2-3/18

Was Roger Breckenridge involved
According to Tracey, Bob Wheeler was harassing her. The statement is dated 6/1994 and she says that she and Rog split "last February". I bet Jennifer Wescott lied when she claimed to have gotten with Rog for her 18th birthday in 1995. She wasn't given immunity for lying under oath, simply for signing false police statements. I pity Jennifer's loyalty to...Rog.
Tracy statement

Wow...Wish some people with integrity and common sense would investigate this case. Maybe then we can find out what Really happened to Heidi.

October 2-3/18

Re: Death of Common Sense
Don't mean to confuse you even more. What do you think about the last transaction time being crossed off?

That time of year again
Wonder what equipment will mysteriously come up missing from the DPW this year.....Oh, that's right. It never did happen!!
Beep Beep!!
Ahhhh, the wagon rides. Wagon looked really nice last year. Great work by the DPW guys getting it ready.
There is no corruption in the grand City of Oswego.....never!!!!
October 2-3/18

Depoty Dog RAMSEY
I wonder if Depoty Dog RAMSEY has any chance to be the new UNDER
I wonder if he has the time whith everything else he does and has going on

October 2-3/18

Today's Quote October 1/2018

Power is like being a lady... if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.
Margaret Thatcher

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Re-reading the Da's statement of facts;

Swenkowski leaves friends house at 7:30

Bivens leaves his house at 7:30

Swenk & Stinson Arrive at the D&W at 7:41

Richard arrives 7:42 and buys cigarettes from Heidi, but Stinson says he never saw Heidi, Richard or Swenkowski.

Ok but there isn't any time for Bivens' arrival at the D&W. He said he saw the crime so he must have been by there after 7:42.
But if true, then Stinson who was there after 7:42, and did not see Heidi at 7:41 nor Richard at 7:42 just when did Bivens see the crime?
You can say the time was fixed but that doesn't allow for Swenkowski's purchase at 7:41, Richard's at 7:42 and Stinson being there at 7:41.

And the fact that we know Heidi was taken after Richard got there at 7:42...what time was Bivens there?????

Guess what, there isn't any statement taken by the OCSD from Bivens when he was there. How can this be? Even after he called the OCSD days later ( even though it was on the news at 10 am Easter Sunday, he waited.

Add in Deputy Curtis' call in to the station and this again just does not make any sense.

Bivens even after giving a statement to OCSD NEVER gives a time he was there. But he left his house in Oswego at 7:30 am.

Was he even there or did he make the story up for a reward money? How can the star witness not have a time he was there.
Heidi was there at 7:41 and gone after 7:42. Stinson said he was there from 7:41 until at 8 am.

I remember reading in 2014 that someone said.."we just got lucky, a van pulled in just before us". I will look for it.

But even so, there at 7:41 and kidnapped after cashing out Richard at 7:42? BUT NO ONE SAW ANYTHING.

What really caught my attention was Stinson 's time frame, Curtis's time and when he called it in, Bivens had to be there at 7:42 but that would mean a couple of people had to see it.

Someone is lying, someone fixed the time and no one got a time Bivens saw a kidnapping.

7:41..Swenkowski buys from Heidi
7:42..Swenkowski sees Richard and even watched him leave the parking lot
7:41..Stinson arrives at the D&W..no Heidi but Heidi cashed out Richard at 7:42

Is it possible Bivens wasn't even there?
That Heidi was taken right after Richard left?
and the times were fixed to make it look like Richard and Gary took her?

I don't think so. You can fix the cash register time but that doesn't change the times on the customer's watches.

Like Richard's jury told Dodd..."show us some evidence".

Like to hear what others think, am I missing something, am I wrong or confused? Possible, as it should have been brought out in court.

October 1/18

White House Puts Limits On FBI's Kavanaugh Investigation: Reports
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bafeb5de4b027da00d3c5ae

No doubt following the hearings on Thursday the republicans took a head count and did not have the votes to confirm Kavanaugh. Senator Flake and some others wanted an investigation by the FBI. Now Trump and company are creating their own SHAM by putting a time limit on the investigation and putting restrictions on who can be interviewed. Their plan is to create the appearance of due diligence so the fence sitting Republican senators can have something to point to when they vote to approve. The man who was going to “drain the swamp” is doing it by giving all the swamp creatures positions in his administration. To all those assholes who say, it was thirty years ago and every teenager does things they wish they had not later in life, I say it does not matter if it was thirty years or thirty days. In Maryland there is no statute of limitations for rape or attempted rape. That is what that drunken bastard is worried about more than anything else. Lock that lying bastard up in a cell right next to Trump.
September 30/18

Re: coincidence

Keeping in mind that Jennifer is a liar to suite her own needs, she said she was bouncing between her parents’ house. Obviously, that means her parents were not living together. I bet that Mrs. Vecchio has been right all along and that Jennifer’s mom DID live on Rice Road for a time and she confronted Jennifer and Roger just like what she swore to!!

Woman told deputies her relative killed Heidi Allen, but they didn't investigate

2014-06-23

Roger Breckenridge sits inside the Mohawk Correctional Facility in Rome, NY. on June 23, 2014. Jessica Howard, a relative of Breckenridge, says she told the Oswego County Sheriff's Office twice, in 2004 and 2011, that other relatives of Breckenridge had told her Breckenridge was involved in the 1994 kidnapping and killing of Heidi Allen, 18. She said sheriff's investigators never questioned her after

And yet more proof there wasn't a rehearsed call the nite before...Rojeck told Tonya what to ask

Before Priest got on the phone with Wescott, Rojek told her he would write down questions on a notepad for her to ask as they spoke, Priest said.

Heidi Allen Case: Phone call between Tonya Priest and Jennifer Wescott WARNING: Contains harsh language. This is a secretly recorded phone call between Tonya Priest and Jennifer Wescott about the 1994 kidnapping of Heidi Allen. Includes excerpts from a recording by the Oswego County Sheriff's Office on March 2, 2013. (5:47)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPjO5L0L_Ck

Without Wescott's corroboration, Priest knew that she'd have no proof that Steen had confessed to her or was involved in Allen's abduction. Priest tried to coax Wescott into giving something up in the secretly recorded call.

Priest believes she got it in these words from Wescott: "They didn't even bring her in the house. They made her sit in the van."

September 27-28/18

Coincidence?

September 27-28/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
One of the biggest things to the Gary T. coverup is the Bivens story.

I read the DA's S of Facts but couldn't find any time given by Bivens when he was there.
We know Heidi was there at 7:41 per Swenkowski. Richard paid her for cigarettes at 7:42.

So the crime had to happen after 7:42...but Swenkowski watched Richard back out and leave the same time he did.

Couldn't have come back, too many customers.

So what time did Bivens see the crime? He never gave one that I know of.
This time frame should have been torn apart and freed Gary as it makes no sense...unlesssssss someone or some people pulled a fast one.
Bivens said wrong color at first. Then said it wasn't the van I saw, then changed his mind in court and said it was the van he saw.

We know by the events, file breach and other events that someone is covering for someone.

But for who? No drugs, evidence, sighting of Gary, DNA, prints or fibers to connect him to it.

Gary ( RIP ) if I was on that jury you would never have been convicted. I will never trust any police in my life after this and the shootings in our country.

So who did they cover up for?

SIMPLE: THEMSELVES.

They made every convenient mistake possible. Who takes 4 months to get the cash register receipt from the crime scene?

Who takes 6 months to get an early picture of Steen.

Who erases valuable texts.
Who in their right mind would let Jenn walk after her interrogation and the info she gave.
Who would offer her immunity if she didn't know anything? Think about this one...really hard. They knew she knew, they knew who did it, hell they even faxed him from the DA's office...try getting out of that one.

Who would discredit the phone call BEFORE Jenn was interrogated and never knew she was being taped. She said that Tonya cut something. But OCSD and Jenn the inv. had the tape, not Tonya. Another hint to as who is really guilty. And then Jenn admits that she was told and this didn't get her arrested...but Dodd it is on tape.

There are so many holes and obvious deliberate coverups in this case that if Lisa P. wins a Wrongful Conviction and the FBI investigates ( as it is plain the cops covered up this crime ) and gets to the right person which they will, there will be a lot of job openings in the OCSD.

And Todd IMO you also knew what was going on. Was Heidi going to rat on the wrong people who would eventually to save their own hides sing about who else was selling coke back then?

Bivens will be the first to talk, then it's going to be hard to shut everyone else up.
Better think Bivens...they are not your friends when it comes to felonies.

All that has to be done is for Lisa and Randi to win and then you guys lose.

September 27-28/18

Judge Instructions
These are some of the instructions the judge gave the jurors during Gary's trial.
What do you think? Was the verdict consistent with the proof presented by the prosecution?

September 27-28/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After all this, was it a railroad job on Gary with "mistakes" or was it a coverup with intent to HIDE something.
With all the hints Jenn W. gave the OCSD and the facts of her lying, telling of 2 vans, Murtaugh texts erased, MB and his white van never investigated, snitches that were there to get Gary, no evidence of Gary, deputy lying on the stand, Judge King doing everything to stop Lisa P., Oakes late with a mass of info on a Friday nite, suspicious events by OCSD, 10 people telling about the 3 other guys, deliberate measures to discredit Tonya ( phone call was not rehearsed ) the Inv. were there telling her what to say, and just a mass of other things
COVERUP!
But why?
Were they protecting certain drug dealers?
Were there so many people involved in dealing coke that they had to get someone and hopefully put an end to it?
Sure looks like it.
JENN, OH JENN, YOU CAN GO NOW!

September 26/18

Believe it or not

Coincidence?
Jennifer Wescott says in her police interview that she was bouncing between Roger's house and her parents house on Levitt Road.
Isn't that near where an army fold-up shovel was found?
September 26/18

Re:Frequent Lion Flier
LMAO good for you, I am also a common poster for Gary Thibodeau because of many of the same reasons. The biggest piece is there is a female teen girl Heidi Allen, still missing (after two decades). The injustice of this case, once you've read all of the material provided shows abuse of power, a total power control on the Sheriff Department and the District Attorneys side, misconduct, they made Garys Constututional rights vanish. To wipe away anyone's Constitutional rights to gain a conviction, is disturbing. I still can not figure out how he was ever arrested, what actual grounds they had to do so. Total and out right of abuse of power. The little gripes on here about using work vehicles, someone having a sighting on the Sheriff in the casino is nothing, the posts should be anger about the suffercation and silence of the Heidi Allen's case, (mums the word is what the counter poster requests) and a community pushing to find answers, not just for Heidi but for Gary. There are many Gary posters. The numbers of supporters reach in to the thousands. That's part to do with why Hilton won. People want accountability, integrity, and justice, proper due process of the law involving the real culprits, truth and answers. One wraps in to another. They want change and a good community. For 20 plus years there has been silence to most everything they've done. Many seek justice for those who can not. Many now try to speak for Gary and to finish where he could not. Including, myself. The biggest injustice ever to face Oswego County and instead of being helpful you find the Debbie downer. Toss it aside and continue posting so it's never silenced again, until it's solved. If the person doesn't like it, they will have the rest of their lives to get over it. No one will ever find Heidi silencing her story. It's been silenced far too long, in turn she is still missing and the death of an innocent man should be enough to weigh heavy on any meek persons heart and open the eyes on those who are not, to how disturbing this case truly is. "The District Attorneys office is distant and out of touch with its community. Due to it, it's at a cost of human lives." 1995. Sad thing is, the same exact thing can be said today. Today Heidi Allen is still missing.

September 25/18

A word from the Queen B
A recent private group chat which was supposed to be a “positive thing” quickly turned ugly. Many of those invited to the group informed me of the comments made. This post is merely to let those in the group know I have no immediate plans to depart (sorry NC, KC, and LW). QB

September 24/18

I am one of the frequent commenters about the Heidi Allen case.

My intention of constantly posting about the case is simple...To inspire people to think about her case. To inspire people to talk about it so her disappearance will not be forgotten. To demonstrate the tunnel vision and false accusation against the Thibodeau's. To expose law enforcement's false/uncorroborated theories. All the while realizing that Heidi's disappearance is not such an isolated incident in Oswego County, NY.

I laugh at the (baited) suggestion that a repeated commenter is trying to interject oneself into an investigation as Bohrer had-that I am he. Really? The only explanation for the constant posting is that the person is Bohrer? What about being a truly concerned citizen-that a young girl disappeared and that two people were falsely accused with one being convicted for her disappearance? What about simply wanting Justice? What about wanting Truth so the same thing wouldn't happen to my daughter considering that law enforcement Really doesn't know nor can prove what happened?

Could Heidi have left willingly and still be alive? Certainly. Unfortunately, unlikely. Even at 18 years old, she had to have understood the gravity of being a CI. Basing that assumption on her conscious acknowledgement of personal protection-she had a Screecher in her possession(?), her mother's assurance that she could handle herself and that Brett claimed he had been going to work with her for a couple months previous to her disappearance until 'traffic picked up' so she wouldn't be alone. Also, being a head-strong, independent woman (from public accounts) like myself, I find it unconscionable that she would have allowed over 20+ years someone to be falsely held accountable.

I wouldn't be so hasty to discount ALL of the investigators/police witness statements on this case. There are some whose influence and actions are questionable and others who were just doing their job, just like there were some witnesses who were 'trying to help and those who were trying to help themselves'. The decision of who to 'target' was made by a select few and perpetuated by the select few. I believe the initial investigation shows that Gary was not responsible. Having not seem All investigative material, I, personally, would not say it was a Fact that any of the 3 boasters are either. Maybe they are. That is up to the Sheriff's department to do a thorough/unbiased investigation which I don't believe has happened. Just saying, there is more corroboration that the boasters may have been telling the truth when 'boasting' as compared to what was said about Gary.

Though inadmissible in a court of law, an investigative tool nonetheless, I dare Bohrer, Breckenridge and Steen to take a polygraph test.

Who cares what I think or say? Agree with me or not? Fine!! Read the documents for yourself and form your own opinion! If I've inspired you to look deeper into the case or to come forward in whichever manner you choose, I have fulfilled my mission. With a little desire and time, one need not solely rely on the 'rumor mill' for answers. Thank you to those who have given truthful information about this case over the years.

Proud supporter of Gary "the Innocent" Thibodeau to the end

September 24/18

Many different reasons but this
also may be one reason these things took place
"A communities feeling about a case can influence a verdict as much as the evidence presented in the
case."

September 24/18

Stinson writes
I only came on this website to refute some misquotes.
I've told my story: what I said, and what was said to me.
Anyone directly related to this case is welcome to see me.
The lawyers on both side know where to contact me.

September 23/18

Lock them Up
That Lock them up sign wasn't the only sign that night, the Allen family arrived with Tee shirts that read justice for Heidi and all signs and shirts were barred from the court room. So it was an organized event pulled off my Allen's family and by the Duells family and friends. So no one cares if he was guilty or innocent. Oobviously someone organized it enough to have the shirts and signs made, it was planned by more than one person.

September 23/18

Jane Doe?
I'm wondering after all these years if any local police agencies ever contacted the FBI regarding the Allen disappearance? I'm thinking NO. Why? because they were not only incapable but also uninterested in solving the crime and contacting the FBI would have derailed their plan to frame an innocent man for a career making conviction. There are Jane Doe's buried in unmarked graves in all 50 states. Seems a simple task to examine a few thousand autopsy reports. What makes the frequent Allen poster believe that the police witness statements are anything but file filler? I mean they had to put something in the files in lieu of actual evidence. LOL The poster is perpetuating the myth that Allen was killed here. Don't assume that any aspects of the case reported by the Sheriff's Dept. are even slightly accurate.

September 23/18

If Rosenstein Is Fired, This Is Who Will Be in Charge of Robert Mueller
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/if-rosenstein-is-fired-this-is-who-will-be-in-charge-of-robert-mueller/

September 23/18

The Real "Killer"?
How tired are we all to read one more line regarding the Heidi Allen disappearance? The real issue here is that a man was convicted of a murder when no evidence of a murder existed! No body, No motive, No evidence of any crime. These are the facts that should amaze and inspire not the contradictory minutia of non-credible witnesses who saw nothing relevant because there was nothing to see in the first place. The poster supports the unsubstantiated claim of murder by the DA's office.I believe that the verbose poster at this site who seems bent on shading every witness statement could just as easily be the killer once again inserting himself into the 'investigation' or at least the neverending discussion regarding it.
Question: Were any of the nuke plants on shut-down at the time? Did the police look at the dozens of nuke plant workers with criminal sex histories? Especially any who may have left town that week? Heidi could be a Jane Doe somewhere in Texas. The killer's name might be found among the personnel records at any of the nuke plants. Now there's a useful idea. Sadly, the police did NO investigation whatsoever. Why? because they had their patsy.

September 22/18

Makes one wonder
Wonder what Sheriff Hilton would say if he found out Murtagh threatened someone he knows very well over the Gary Thibodeau case? Hilton will find out Murtagh, this person happens to be pretty close to Hilton's son. Wonder what he will think then of your, I'm so innocent stance, when he puts it all together and finds out, Murtagh had the nerve to threaten witnesses and someone who is not directly involved, who's only a supporter of Gary Thibodeau. I don't think Murtagh, Sheriff Hilton's as dumb as ol Todd. Your actions make you look guilty as hell. Murtagh you may know everyone but you obviously didn't know some of the people you did threaten are pretty good people and link back to the NOW SHERIFF, dumb move Murtagh. Ik certain he will believe them over you any day. Next time Murtagh find out who they are before you go tampering with witnesses and innocent supporters. Cause some day may kick you in the ass.

September 22/18

Re: weird tactics
There was a photo from a news article posted several days ago depicting a woman holding a sign saying "Lock them up"
Just curious about her bias before Richard or Gary went to trial. Was she just a concerned citizen that wanted to see the accused pay, even if they weren't guilty, or did she know something to have such a firm opinion?

September 22/18

Timeline
I agree that 4 am clock in gets me, the timeline begins there, not the last check out. To accurately pin point what happened you begin at 4 am, who was in the store at that time and why, or was it Heidi, there is no explanation. Why was the silent alarm not working that was connected to the sheriff's office, or the store cameras, the gas pumps didn't operate right, the wall clock, "time stood still for Heidi", Stitson tells you the cash register was broken, so nothing worked right. Tell me did the coolers not work for the deli, because Heidi left a huge slab of meat out in the open, but didn't Brett claim she had already stocked the deli and put everything away in the coolers, so is it possible Greg Oakes some one could have easily distracted her by having them make them a sandwich. Wasn't Bohrer famous for having Heidi make him a sandwich? Maybe the reason why Brett wants an attorney is because he knows more than he's telling. Isn't it then possible seeing as in 1994 it is reported and a known fact all of the doors in the front of the store were used by customers, were reported unlocked. Straight shot from that door to the meat slicer and the newspaper what's a person do, who is used to distract her after the one grabbing hers grabs her, just stand there and watch ? Why weren't the counter tops finger printed due to the paper on the floor did the distracter leap over the counter, placing even one hand on that counter as he lept across it? Maybe to help the grabber, is it possible that's the simple answer to how the newspaper ended up on the floor?Because the distracter accidently hit it, or the breeze from his body snagged it and it hit the floor? Whatever caused it to land where it did, was in one hell of a hurry they never picked it up. The belief this newspaper was on the floor because that paper could have been used to conceal a weapon to lure Heidi out of the store, is assinin, where is the gun used and why then was Richard Thibodeau never seen entering the store with a newspaper, that looked like he concealed something under it or anything for that matter, what did he do walk in leap the counter, pull a gun out with a newspaper request two packs of smokes, pay for them and leave, wtf, none of it adds up??. Then it switches to Baldasaro saying Heidi went willingly with the Thibodeaus, but that still doesn't explain the newspaper on the cashiers side of the counter on the floor.
Lots of questions. But one question I do not have is who fudged the timeline Curtis and Duell, parts of her file are missing, she also ran some of the search maps, had access to the direction people searched in for Heidi, she also found Heidi CI card. She also obviously knew Brett Law, and many tied to Heidi Allen as she did many things to quote search for Allen. She was a direct part of the Heidi Allen Center. Direct part of knowing of Heidi Allen hidden identity. She never once said anything in court up to know of the finding or knowledge to Allen's CI status.
So if you played clue, here is another question, which one faxed Bohrer parts of the investigation from the District Attorneys office? Was it VanPatten the exposer, Curtis the time flipper, Duell the fake, Barney the demented kid, Law the liar, Wheeler the crook, Scrutin the side kick, Todd the dodger, Dodd the mentor, which one cause they were all in and out of the Heidi Allen center, Gary was on foot then rode around in a vehicle on Allen's search. One things for sure it's wasn't Gary Thibodeau who used any fax machines during the search for Heidi.
And another which one dropped off the braclet in Heidis cousins mailbox? Bohrer the creep, Steen the psychopath, Dan the child creeper, Law the Liar, one things for sure being locked away in prison no access to place a non addressed envelope in anyone's mailbox, with Heidi Allen's braclet in it, unless Gary is one of the Alcatraz boys miraculously breaking out of prison, then breaking back in to prison after he taunts Heidis family, will it ever have been possible it was Gary Thibodeau.
Issue is all clues point to a fudged time line an exposed CI, a few dirty officers, Michael Bohrer, fudged evidence, hidden documents, criminals on the loose, the real culprits playing the justice system like a corrupt machine. And no one doing a damn thing to stop them, one things for sure, Gary Thibodeau died trying to stop them, expose them and he gave it his all, good for him. Someone needed to. Because they are nothing but liars and manipulated the majority with confusion. That I agree with.
Anyone ever ask yourself if it was all planned, detailed, timed and everyone played a part to pull off the kidnapping of Heidi Allen? Bohrer tells you the red truck passed my house, a cop in the passenger side, I knew they were up to something, she was to be taken on Sunday. Why Sunday, maybe because they were smart enough to pick a day you can't confirm a real time line. Because you can not confirm who reset their clocks. Without a real time line you'll never solve it, maybe that's exactly what they wanted.

September 21/18

Weather or not here we come
The weather is just a way to discredit Mr. Pierce as they did to Tonya with the phone call....I wouldn't doubt it if they told Jenn to call Tonya the night before as use that as an excuse to destroy the phone all that was tapped.
And while I am at it, when & how did they find out that Jenn called Tonya the night before the tapped call was used?

Oakes told Tonya right after that, the call can't be used because.......how's that for timing?

So without time lines, Oakes knew right after the tapped call and told Tonya the call can't be used. Tonya asked for a poly and was refused....of course. Remember Jenn was offered immunity by Oakes and they offer immunity only if you have info so important to the case they are willing to let you walk. She refused....hmmmmm why?

PLEASE SET YOUR WATCHES:
- Swenkowski and Richard were there at 7:41 - 7:42 as Swenkowski testified to seeing a van and left the parking lot the same time the van did....but did not see Gary or a kidnapping.

- Stinson said he was there at 7:41 and was Heidi's next customer but wasn't there.

_ Bivens who the OCSD didn't record any time that he saw the kidnapping only said he didn't remember telling a cop he was there between 8-8:30...****but no other time was given by him and at 8am the OCSD were there. So how did he see a crime if Swenkowski, Richard and Stinson were there about the 7:42 last Heidi transaction?

To see it he had to be there before 8am...but doesn't say that.

And he also said that he didn't call the cops because he thought it was a domestic dispute.
But he was questioned 3 days later ( which means he called the cops between 1-3 days after the crime ). But he must have known it wasn't a domestic dispute because it was all over the news at 6pm, in the papers etc. BUT HE WAITED TO CALL OCSD?????

Do you people see what is going on here? How times were changed, statements changed, van color was not black and white.

BIVENS NEVER SAW ANYTHING. HE WAS PUT UP TO SAY THIS AND HIS VERY WEAK STATEMENT WAS USED IN COURT BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THEY HAD...A MADE UP STORY TO CONNECT GARY.

iF IT HAPPENS, THE FBI WILL TEAR THIS TO SHREDS, SOMEONE WILL TALK TO SAVE THEMSELVES AND THEN GARY WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE.

September 21/18

You're outta here...
Today I'm going to laugh!! You good ol boys lost. Tick, tock, time will tell, yes you were only bidding yourselves time. Enjoy your holidays...while the rest of us laugh, and wait for the first of the year. I think I'm going to decorate my Christmas tree with handcuffs, mail them to the new Sheriff come new years, he may need a few dozen extra pair, anyone else have any handy, donate them to the Sheriff Department. Maybe Hilton can teach them how to use them.

September 21/18

Inaccurate timeline
Exactly!! That’s why having both the register tape from April 3, 1994 and the tape from April 2, 1994 that was retrieved on August 11 (with the next day Mrs. Duell’s OCSD file being tampered with) is sooo important. Or someone coming forward that can enlighten us about that and how the first register transaction was 4:06am? Seems like an odd time to be a default setting.

Yeah, Dodd was hoping, and succeeded, in confusing the jurors (public and families) by double-talking. Take the van being washed, take the bone fragments that were tested by the Smithsonian, take the reading of the partial register transaction tape into the record, take the fact that April 3, 1994 was DST where people change their clocks at different times anyhow, take charging Gary’s alibi witness with perjury so she had to take immunity for her testimony, take the witnesses who admitted under oath that LE did not take their statements correctly. AND MOST OF ALL, take the army shovel that was used as evidence that wasn’t even confiscated from the Thibodeau’s!!

September 20/18

Vanosdall Murder Still Open

September 19/18

Weather
I don't know why anyone's arguing about who was where when or was it snowing or not. One thinks his memory is clear the other one does as well. Was Pierce right or Stitson. Well the national archieves for the farmers almanac says it sure as shit was snowing, sleeting, ice, snow you name it was falling from the sky with visibility at 2.6 miles ahead. If they passed through at obviously seperate times as Stitson never witnesses the kidnapping so he obviously wasn't there at the same time Pierce drove through that area. Stitson was heading towards 9 mile I believe to go to the gym at work. So he headed towards Oswego, out of it but to me it's obvious by the national weather records sleet, ice, snow, and the confusion to due to the time difference did Stitson drive in after something passed through or are the times just so complete off that Stitson passed through well after the crime had been committed and the roads cleared up, or was it really slightly spitting stuff through out the day? Who knows right, but it's not the weather issue it's a entirely f'd up time line, who says that clock wasn't off by even 20 minutes. The time frame is given and confirmed by the broken cash register and two people Curtis and Kris Duell teaming up and claiming all the times were correct. No one knows how much time actually passes by after the kidnapping, but I bet Brett Law does. New Haven is built off 1,300 estimated square miles who the hell knows where this ice, snow and crap weather on that date came from or from which direction. If your driving in from the north you'll probley run in to shit weather, from Oswego you'll also drive in to shit weather, from Fulton the same thing, if your traveling out of New Haven into Oswego you may get lucky and drive out of it, the further you drive from North to west, from west to north the weather changes because your going further north. Jesus, it's not the weather it's the flipping time line, thank the two who built this fake time line...Curtis, Kris Duell. If Gram Duell said, "Time stood still for Heidi," the times didn't change, then Curtis and Kris both lied, his watch never matched a damn thing. Who would you believe, the 2 involved or the old lady who didn't know a damn thing? Guess what the reality is, Stitson and Pierce may be both right.
farmersalmanac.com

September 19/18

Bad Boys...
Look at the look on Randi Biancos face anyone who watched this case unfold in Appeals, knew that Randi gave this look because she knew Greg just lied. The look of death. Randi Bianco and Lisa Peebles both were tough enough and had more courage than anyone to expose the good ol boys for what they are, not so good ol boys..Nice name when your nothing but bad LOL bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do, the people just bitch slapped you.!!! (Believe it, there are many laughing)
You not so good ol boys are all done, I second that!!! Wait until the new sheriff coming figures out who you all, really are. If he has integrity, which many believe he does, he will figure it out. Murtagh, Wescott, Breckenridge, Bohrer, what then will you do. Who's going to toss who first. I have five bucks on Wescott.

September 19/18

Stinson replies to: Was he pulling in?
Well, I didn't think I'd have to explain "Flagging." And I wasn't on the flight deck. Except for being flown off by helicopter.
I am amazed all those jets can fly in willy-nilly with no direction.
But if it's important (it is in my original police statement) Officer Curtis was at the stop sign at 104. Therefore he had passed the East entrance.
I can't possibly know if his intention could have been to turn and come in the south entrance anyway... but I "flagged" him in.
If you're thinking Curtis had nefarious intentions, I should disclose:
Years earlier when I worked with Curtis - I'd been to his house for a beer.
Years later when I worked with the D&W owners' brother Jason - I'd been to his house for a beer.
One of the earlier customers on April 3rd, has been to my house. (He doesn't drink)
Point is: I drink a lot of beer.
Furthermore, when she got older - my kid worked at the store. She got fired.
Her babysitter was an alternate juror. (yes, I thought that would have been inappropriate if seated as a juror)
Point is: Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.

September 19/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
When I read the time lines I couldn't wrap my head around 7:41am. Thought this suspicious as Swenkowski was there then, and saw Richard, Richard a minute later and bought cigarettes from Heidi and Stinson but didn't see anything.
Also a customer there a little earlier.

Ok I'll accept it that no one saw a kidnapping of which Swenkowski carries the most wait as he saw Richard.

Now to Bivens:

In the DA's Statement of Facts ( if there is such a thing ) Bivens said at first it was a light blue van, then a blueish white van and was shown pictures by the OCSD and said that is NOT the van I saw. He slept on it and later was shown more pictures and said about the trailer hitch rust and hanging down he is now sure it was the van.

But in the statement he gave to OCSD, he also said he didn't remember telling a OCSD days ago that he drove by between 8-8:30am.

and also said.." there may have been a van, I don't really remember." Or something close to this.

After banging my head around this I wonder if Bivens was even there. At 8am the cops were there so that destroys the chance he saw a kidnapping at that time.

Also he couldn't describe the van but he could describe the people and mentioned one looked older because of his hair...pointing at Richard? Even mentioned one had a coat on. Very detailed for a guy who also said there may have been a van I don't remember??????????????

My intuition back in 2014 told me that he wasn't even there. Which I still believe today.

And remember in Oakes' Statement of Facts: there isn't any record, statement or fact which says what time bivens was there.

Nothing....except the 8-8:30 by Bivens. Did they talk to him about we have the right guy but need a little more. Didn't Bivens have a pending DWI and an insurance fraud charge against him at this time?

Bivens is not the only person interviewed that said that was not the van I saw...read the S. O. Facts.

Now the OCSD let all this go as it was the truth, but what happened to the guy who ( I posted this earlier on this web page ) that said he borrowed Mike Bohere's white van after MB got it repaired and scraped with it. What happened to the van? Any DMV records showing he owned one or did that did that get shredded too?

Oakes, Dodd, Todd and whoever, the only thing that saved you from Lisa P. is Judge King. And I use the word "judge" very loosely.

Come on people we are very close...keep pushing. Please come forward to Lisa P. ONLY if you have info. Do not trust the OCSD, they are in too deep.

Took two innocent lives to protect the drug dealing. Why cover for drug dealers? Kick Backs?

September 19/18

Bohrer what a lunatic
Bohrer, who testified he was a former IBM researcher diagnosed with "executive burnout due to extreme stress," said his investigation included a blue van and a junkyard in Volney.
He asked Richard Murtaugh — whose scrapyard Breckenridge said he worked at in 1994 and 1995 — if he had scrapped the blue van in question.
"He said yes," testified Bohrer, "then he kind of smiled and said, ' No, Heidi Allen was not in it.'" Bohrer said he asked Murtaugh if a body could be crushed in a van, and Murtaugh replied, "No, that'd be too messy." Bohrer said his investigation into the case went so deep that he eventually rented a camper near Thibodeau's house, just to "feel 'em out," meaning Gary and Richard Thibodeau. After Gary's conviction, Richard was acquitted of the same kidnapping charge in 1995.
"I wanted to determine if in fact they were guilty," testified Bohrer, saying he'd often go to bars and "be a fly on the wall" and listen for tips connected to the case. He said he still goes "back and forth" on whether he thinks the Thibodeaus were involved, saying he leaves it "to the mercy of the court." At one point during chief assistant district attorney Mark Moody's cross-examination, Bohrer said that he generally liked Richard, and followed it up by addressing Gary Thibodeau directly.
"I didn't care for you, Gary," he said, chuckling a little.
"I don't even know you," Thibodeau said calmly, briefly lifting his face from his palm.
Seems Bohrer and Murtagh want to claim the blue van on Gary's property was used. This is one thing the Sheriffs ruled out. So seeing as murtagh and Bohrer both lied, how can the sheriff's sleep at night knowing their lies lead an investigation in to many different directions. Hope you all have a good holiday it may be your last. New Sheriff coming your way and getting you off the streets would result in the streets being much safer.
Maybe Bohrer, Murtagh can have the cell next to you so he can feel you out.

September 19/18

Time Travel With OCSD
July 27, 1994 Herald Journal must have the ability to time travel and obtain Robert Baldasro statement dated July 31, 1994. It's right in black and white. So either the Sheriffs lied about the date they obtained Baldasaro statement to coincide with Thibodeau arrest and leaked it 3 days before it ever was to exist or the Herald Journal can time travel forward in history then back in history. Either way it does seem to appear this was all a set up.

September 19/18

Re: shovel
Upon more careful reading of the police notes on 10/6/1994, the green/black army shovel was found on Levitt Road. The correct spelling should be Leavitt? This road is north of the D&W. A 'round end shovel' was inventoried from Gary's property. Did the prosecution switch the 'round end shovel' that was confiscated at Gary's property search with the army fold-up shovel that was in the retired detective's van?

Here is page 3109, page 3108 was posted a few days ago, that again has testimony of Kleist and a shovel.

Mr. Mulcahy, this might be something interesting for you to look into.?

September 19/18

Shovel
The shovel, dig deeper in to the articles and you will find a reporter caught the sheriff's removing an army folding shovel from an investigators vehicle it had brain or muscle tissue on it. When asked why they had this item they declined to respond. Makes one wonder what they planned on doing with this shovel.

September 18/18

Stinson replies
I had to get on yahoo search engine and type 'heidi thibodeau' - there is a video 'Oswego County D.A. offers insight into 2013 Heidi Allen Investigation'. It clearly shows rain changing to mixed snow and no snow on the ground as the storm was moving in. It is from later when the store was taped off and news crew had arrived. Sorry, I don't know how to link it. I assume there are Police crime scene photos also. No Snow! That doesn't mean people are lying about their entire statement if they remember snow. It means that memories are easily influenced by later input.
It took me less time to find a video of No Snow than it took you to write an email saying there was.
"Think before speaking. Read before thinking." Quote Fran Lebowitz american journalist.

September 18/18

The Powers that be...
Well as far as the cabin diggers the sheriff's did not do a proper investigation in to their back ground or who they connect to. Jeremy Powers is involved in the Local 168 I.U.O.E. union same union as probable suspect Daniel Barney. Years ago the old women who owned Jeremy's home decided she could not longer keep the upkeep on her home, so they placed a bright blue tiny mobile home to the right side of the old farm house, where Steen resided with this old lady. Jeremy is connected also to Breckenridge as Chucky his neighbor is with Breckenridge's, so called sister. Back then Breckenridges two nephews Mike West and Harry West worked for Chucky and fell from a roof and straight through a roof, one broke his hip, the other broke his ankle. Chucky was sued and his insurance company paid these two boys a huge sum of money. Link, link, link, the sheriff's either think you are all dumb or simply wiped the facts to who they all are under the rug, either way court documents can prove these people are all connected and can prove the law suits. Alexander and Catalano LOL start digging you'll find this is a bulls eye.

September 18/18

Book burning
With Hilton on their asses, wouldn't doubt the evidence burning has begun, deleting, shredding, maybe faxing to Bohrer LOL you cunning, hiding, sheriff's there's a new sheriff coming and I'd be afraid. VERY AFRAID, I am certain Murtagh is, he should be, so should Wescott did you fools really think you could murder people and the little old sheriff was going to last forever to protect you criminals? Betcha thought he was invisible, seems you good ol boys and your goons are done. Wait until Hilton catches on to the many families going after you criminals. He may just hop on board. Integrity lies in honest people and well we all know the Sheriffs from OZ are nothing more than liars, criminals and snakes. Hilton take them to the bank on their lies, some warrants would be nice to see, start with Wescott.

September 18/18

Stinson replies;
The other store clock/advertisement was over the ice cream cooler and across a window, 90 degrees to the register counter. And yes, it had not been advanced. If I remember that correctly (after 24 years.)
I prefer quoting notes.
I said, "I flagged Officer Curtis in at 7:58." I didn't leave at 7:58. I of course stayed as long as requested. I was there when the owner opened the register and we found out that "Heidi" was missing.
I said, "it was a surprise to Investigator Hall and myself that the register clock was broken 4 days later 4/7". I don't know who else checked it or when.
For those wondering why comparing my time to the register was so important. It defined a window of opportunity.
When I did celestial navigation in the Navy, I got my time by radio signal from the atomic clock in Denver. Perfect: I never lost a boat.
In 1994, Like most people, I got my time from the TV. Best I can say is "I never missed the 6 o'clock news". It wasn't perfect and neither was the register. But I know what time I got to the store (per my clock) and that's why the comparison became so important. How the police finally weighed that accuracy - I don't know.
Other things I did in the Navy were weather reports, the ship's Log, and security patrols. You'll have to trust me: I didn't see a kidnapping.
As an interesting follow up to that statement: I do believe we drive on the subconscious part of our brain. Probably why no one uses blinkers. I met with the search expert from Texas, Rick ( B****field?) and volunteered to try hypnosis (I knew a guy), to see if I could recall a vehicle leaving etc. Rick asked the Police. They said, "No. It would eliminate me as a witness." I tried to insist, but he said he had to work with the police and accept their decision. That's no derision on the police. I'm sure they have their rules. Now it's just a another side note many people never knew.
I'm not trying to aggrandize myself as the perfect witness: I certainly didn't realize the gravity of the situation on that Easter Sunday.
Whatever side of the aisle people are on, I'm glad that there is still an intent interest in this case.

September 17/18

Inmate testimony vs recent interview
Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau told him in jail
"They were trying to get me to say he told me he did it," Baldasaro said. "I said, 'That's never what he said.'"
Funny (ironic, predictable) how 20 years later if one doesn't refresh their memory by reading their previous testimony what they recall. Really? A confession, Todd? Both inmates specifically testified that Gary didn't say he had anything to do with Heidi's disappearance. Read Greg's Statement of Facts vs Lisa Peebles/Randi's facts and you'll see the truth that the inmates did NOT say Gary told him he (or Richard) were involved. THAT is YOUR theory..uncorroborated theory. There is no evidence that your theory is correct. Hell, there wasn't even time the morning of April 3, 1994 for the brothers to take Heidi to near the woods at Gary's and bring her back without being missed and then to have Richard's purchase rung up. Hell, Gary had a legitimate alibi (proven in a Court of Law to NOT be lying).

It is a fact (looking back on legal documents posted on this site on December 2, 2017) that Baldasaro received a deal for his testimony.

Gary should not have been convicted after trial. No evidence, the theory didn't fit, he should have been acquitted! An innocent man died in prison at the hands of corrupt law enforcement and gullible jurors. Pray they are held accountable for what they've done like Gary paid for what he wasn't accountable for.
Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau...
Robert Baldasaro says Thibodeau never told him Allen was beaten to death with a shovel, as Baldasaro testified i...
Dodd's excuse for withholding evidence, as per the news article posted a few days ago on this site, was so that the defense wouldn't tell the witnesses not to talk to the police? Isn't that exactly what at least one of the prosecution witnesses did when Mr. Walsh wanted to talk to her...she refused to talk to him. It's all on record in the trial transcript.

What, Rule? What did you say in the news about Heidi and Gary? 'No relationship'. What did Dodd say during closing arguments? The articles are from July 27, 1994. **tainting the jury pool. And that's why it took so many perspective jurors to seat the 12 plus 4 alternates.**

September 17/18

News footage/articles/witness testimony ALL say it was a snowy/rainy day.
Git otta here that Greg thinks Mr. Pierce isn't credible because he said it was snowy, it was. That would explain why Heidi might have been wearing a jacket like Mr. Pierce said. A clerk at the D&W had to reset or fuss with a pump because it wasn't working properly. And can be proven. Wait for it. The proof WILL be posted.

September 17/18

Defies Common Sense
We saw from legal documents posted on this site, that Kleist testified that no army fold-up type shovel was ever confiscated from any of the Thibodeau searches. We can also see from a news article in 1994 and from Greg's Exhibits in regard to the Hearing in 2015 that an army fold-up shovel was found during a ground search and left where it was because of the condition it was in and that a reporter saw an army fold-up shovel in a retired detective's vehicle. The shovel was found April 25, 1994 and the inmates made their statement in July 1994...hhmmm

Ironic that the inmates make claims of an army fold-up shovel AFTER one was found during a ground search and reported in the news. Also ironic is the prosecution tested an army fold-up shovel that showed 'skeletal muscle'. Did the defense ever get a forensic report about the 'skeletal muscle'? Where exactly was the army shovel found during the ground search and did the retired detective ever give a statement about the shovel in his vehicle?

Has anyone else read what I describe and what do you make of that? It's all in black and white if you know where to look.

My point is it looks like the Sheriff's and DA's office were trying to plant 'circumstantial evidence' against Gary and Richard. We already know that some evidence had not made it into testimony for the jurors to consider in Gary's trial that WAS admitted in Richards and Richard was acquitted.

Another point is that it is absolutely obvious that the DA's office was making a conscience effort to withhold evidence in order to get a conviction.

Additionally

September 17/18

Weird tactics...it really is OZ
See attached. This is one of the craziest things anyone could have done other than Dodds Phantom Purchaer (lol). Before Gary's trial they not only compared his case to that of OJ Simpson, some classy citizens stood outside of his plea at court, holding up signs, before he was ever found guilty of any crime, or ever made it to trial. But that phantom purchaser, really tops the charts by the former ADA Donald Dodd. So in reality they stole Richards van, put that baby on display in the center of Oswego, took notes the night Heidi vanished that Gary was home that night and jotted down his license plate, come up with some lame story Gary fled to Massachussettes and fled with his wife, Sharon. In return Sharon supplies 3 sources of documents to confirm she was in Oswego, that the District Attorney was outright lying. The Sheriffs and DA OFFICALS committed perjury on the stand then and now, you claimed there was a phantom purchaser, pretending to be Sharon on the loose and that's how she got the bank receipts, then you arrest her for perjury, and testify before a grand jury against Sharon and never recorded the testimony, only so she couldn't and wouldnt testify as an alibi, due to fear or retaliation by the DA and Sheriff's, what law, Sheriff's did you not violate to committ this kidnapping of an innocent man. Then you convict Gary off a timeline that doesn't add up, witnesses changing their stories, no evidence, no motive, suspects removed off a list, total violation of due process laws and allowing an American to defend their lives and their guilt or innocence. Then your new buddy Pie liar Petrowski helps you out by bogus, biased, bullshit interrogations, missing evidence and his pathetic failed attempts to lie on the stand. You stood around chanting lock him up, ruined his entire life, took any constitutional right he had, because 1995 was election year, Dodd you made a mockery of Gary to gain votes and used him as a pawn to win election. The year they prosecuted Gary was the first year in Oswego history and the very same day Dodd announced his candidacy for District Attorney of Oswego, that same day the first ever murder case was tossed by Judge Brandt for prosecutorial misconduct against Donald Dodd. Sound familure? Dodd nor Todd (The sheriff's brother) could get their theory straight on another case. In 1995 the citizens of Oswego stated "the DA and Sheriff's were out of touch with the citizens so much it was costing human lives." This is only a handful I can think off, off the top of my head. But that 3000 documentation dump by Greg classic, violation of Gary's due process rights. Could you imagine being compared to OJ Simpson, then have a bizarre phantom purchaser on the loose. All while your brothers van sits in the center of Oswego in hopes to spark someones memory, because they had NO WITNESSES, AND NO GROUNDS FOR ANY ARREST TO EITHER BROTHERS. No motive, no witnesses, no body, no weapon, passed lie detectors, negative to any DNA. Absolutely nothing to tie you to any crime. To constitute either arrested. Tracks didn't match, times didn't match, nothing adds up. But yet one morning you've become OJ SIMPSON, over night, without warning and to prosecute you, they broke every law possible to do so. Imagine that, being stripped of every right you have, the only thing that put you in prison was he said, she said jail house gossip..If prosecuting them was as easy as it was for them to destroy Gary Thibodeau, Oswego would be a better place.

Re : To David Stitson reply
No Heidi did notice the wall clock as Gram Duell stated to reporters "Time stood still for Heidi." Heidi informed Gram prior to her leaving the store she had to fix the store clock. But Gram Duell said Heidi never did, the day she vanished Gram Duell returned to the store noticing the wall clock, she admitted the time never changed. Thus her creating her comment "Time Stood Still for Heidi." You can find all the information on this case at this link, scroll to the bottom and start in 1994. http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/?m=1

September 16/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After reading Dave Stinson's reply it woke me up.

Thinking that there is no way possible for him, Swenkowski and Richard to be there at those times, this needs a full inv. by NYS, DOJ or the FBI.
They did so many petty things, omitted doing certain inv. ( MB's white van ) that I think, I hope and I feel...you guys are screwed.

This is so Mickey Mouse that I expect some will start to sing. Are you listening Jenn? You think they're your friends? Think Again.

I wish to apologize to Dave Stinson for anything I may have written that was inaccurate. I never thought you were a suspect but I can now see your point...sorry.

Now seeing that the time must have been fixed and the fact that the OCSD didn't get the register tape for that day until August and all the other hints of wrong doing maybe Oswego has met its match.

September 16/18

Sentencing phase of Gary Thibodeau-diary and Mrs. Granger's statement
Diary was exculpatory but Dodd didn't turn it over until sentencing?

Still think Gary got a fair trial or that there wasn't prosecutorial misconduct? What about the judge allowing all these things to happen?

September 16/18

RE: Heidi Allen
“There are witnesses who try to help and witnesses who try to help themselves.”
I believe Mr. Stinson was the former. His testimony simply showed the prosecutions timeline was False and, therefore, the inmates’ testimony uncorroborated.

September 15/18

To Dave Stinson
I hope you don't think anyone thinks you were involved with a crime. I don't, but when I read your statement and you said you were there at 7:40 and left at 7:58 it seems like you would have had to seen something. Of course not getting the trial transcript and only reading Oakes' Statement of Facts leaves a lot of questions.

For Ex: Swenkowski's statement said he got there at 7:40 and saw Richard. But Oakes left his time out in the first article about Swenkowski. And if his watch says 7:41 and yours says 7:41, the register time doesn't matter...but I think it was fixed to be fast.

We ( I ) am only concerned about how this inv. went down. I don't believe Dodd, Oakes or most of the OCSD at that time. Too much info not looked at...intentionally....like MB white van, Jenn W. spilling her guts, Jenn W. lying about where she lived, who she knew, no one seeing Gary there...simply, there wasn't a case.

I guess it would seem logical that the register time was fixed for all the right reasons. ????? never checked it until 7 days later?
At first I believe I read the wall clock was wrong and it hangs above the counter so H.A. probably never noticed it.

But I do hope this all comes crashing down.

And a lot of statements were massaged by OCSD...they can't agree on the color of one van. Bivens said he isn't sure there was even a van there. First sightings of a van....were white and that got changed.

Hopefully Lisa wins and the FBI comes to town.

September 15/18

Heidi Allen
Dave Stinson writes:
At 7:42 a.m. Easter Sunday April 3rd 1994 Heidi Allen sold 2 packs of cigarettes at the D&W
convenience store in New Haven Ny.
I was the next customer.
The kids had their Easter baskets and my wife wanted a Sunday paper to read while I went
to the Gym. She was “springing” the clock ahead one hour as I walked out the door. The minute
hand was exactly halfway between 7:35 & 7:40 I petted the geese, got to where I had parked
the car (out of the mud), and drove the 8/10ths of a mile to D&W.
A few days later (April 7th) Investigator Hall and I repeated this drive. He was trying to
narrow the time that was unaccounted for. We put my arrival at 7:41. Estimated by My house
Time! We went into the store to call my house and compare my clock with the register clock.
Surprisingly, the register clock was now way off. The register clock was broken; To be accurate,
each clerk had to set the clock each morning and today's clerk hadn’t set it. We supposed Heidi
had set it when she worked Easter morning.
Interestingly, while Investigator Hall and I were there a man had trouble with the gas pump
and one of the girls went out to ‘flip the handle up’ for him. The girls laughed at his mechanical
ability and said, “ it happens all the time”. There was now more than one girl minding the store. I
thought that smart. But I wondered if going outside while alone would be smart.
I had driven to the D&W and arrived at 7:40 - 7:41. Again, My House Time. There was a red
station wagon where an employee would park and a white car out by the corner for sale. But
there were no customer cars, So I zipped by the front steps and parked close. It was raining.
I grabbed a sunday paper off the stack and thumbed through it. I wanted to make sure it had
been assembled with the TV guide and coupons. They come separately. The clerk wasn’t
Visible. I presumed she was in the restroom. The door was closed. Or in the back. I had heard a
noise. (probably a cooler kicking on I now believe.). I put down $1.50 for the paper. Almost
immediately, another man came in and did the same. Then another. They had no reason to
stay, I had said that I would, “tell the clerk”. Out of courtesy I waited to explain the $4.50. Still no
clerk. I checked the restroom, gave a hello, checked around… No clerk.
There was a purse, and car keys on the counter behind the cashiers area. There was meat
on the slicer and coffee in the pot. The register was closed with $1.38 showing on the display.
Everything looked OK. The only thing out of place was a Pall times paper on the floor behind the
register counter. (Later, Investigator Yerdon told me, the newspaper on the floor was friday’s
and somebody may have a had a weapon under it to get Heidi away from the duress alarm that
was near the cash register)
I had looked around the store but hadn’t looked down cellar. I didn’t want to appear
suspicious. It took a few minutes before another customer showed up. Pat Granger bought
$5.00 of gas and came in. ( I knew Pat from the Plant) Then John Glenister came in, to return
cans. (I didn’t know him) We checked the first floor thoroughly. I walked outside to check around
the employee’s car and around the building. As I got to the car (Heidi's) I saw a sheriff's car at
the corner and waved him in. It was Rick Curtis. I knew Rick also. He had worked with me as a
security guard at the plant a few years earlier. It was now 7:58. My watch time. Curtis checked
the store and called it in.
I wrote my own statement while I was still at D&W that morning. Investigator Herby Yerdon
wrote another with me 2:48 pm 3 April 1994. He wanted to log everything I had done since I’d
woke up: Breakfast, pet-the-geese, everything. I kept copies of those statements.
Heidi’s sister Lisa Burke had written a book. (Where’s Heidi) She got things a little wrong:
There wasn’t any money on the counter before I got there and I hadn’t “run to the street yelling
for the first car.” I had calmly flagged the police in, still thinking we had an inattentive or injured
clerk. And honestly, I wanted to get on with my day.
Someone recently showed me the Oswegonylion.com website. I don’t enjoy being misquoted
and accused of complicity by the short bus armchair sleuths that cut spelling and math class.
So, I will respond to a few twisted internet threads:
I didn’t know Heidi's name at 7:40, John Glenister was there before the sheriff, and there was
no snow for footprints or lack thereof. (as someone on Oswegonylion.com website claims Pat
Granger wrote a year later. The whole letter wasn’t posted).
I had arrived at the store at 7:40 or 7:41 MY TIME! ONCE. Not before and after Thibodeau.
Heidi was gone before I got there. I didn’t see Swenkowski, or her last customer, (presumably
Thibodeau), or ‘husky’ men wrestling anyone into a van. Regrettably, I missed it all.
I was pretty confident of my arrival time and the weather. I never changed my statement or
time to match the broken register time. It was the job of Police to reconcile the clocks and
collate the timeline.
Later as a witness, I wasn’t allowed to watch the trial. Apparently witnesses corrupt each
others testimony. I probably know less about this story than many people - except for my
testimony. But I have since read some transcripts and News. For those that didn’t bother to do
any research, here's the Timeline:
Swenkowski testified he saw ‘the van’ move up to the front steps. Tr 1239
Bivens testified as to seeing a van and two husky men. (and flurries in the air) Tr. 1285
He came forward after the reward and a photo of Thibodeau's van was posted in the
newspaper.
I testified that I arrived and didn’t see anyone.Tr 1396
After 1995, I wasn’t called to testify again. But, I have spoken with certain people as new
“evidence” arose:
I met with Lisa Peebles. (Aug 7 2014) She told me, “she had been tasked by the Federal
government to ensure Gary Thibodeau had received a fair trial.” I met with her to ensure she
had a copy of my statements and notes; how sure I was of my time, the weather, and the
broken clock. She already had them.
Bill Pierce from Hannibal stated (20+ years later) he couldn’t turn around on Easter Sunday
due to “slush & ice”. When I saw Pierce on the news I called the DA’s office and they were well
aware that there wasn’t any ice & slush, or snow.
I’ll add this:
Juror #3. Elizabeth Head now believes: Gary was innocent, there was no real evidence, and
she was told to vote for the side she believed most. (Quotes from TV interview w/ Matt
Mulcahey, Aug.2018)
This last statement by juror #3 disturbs me greatly. Dramatic as it may sound; A community’s
collective conscience and Gary Thibodeau’s conviction once hung on jury diligence.
Gary Thibodeau died in prison 12 August 2018.

September 14/18

Does anyone else think
Does anyone else think that someone-Murtaugh-switched the VIN number on the inoperable blue van that was on Gary’s property during two searches that was stolen in August of 1994 with the VIN from the van that was REALLY used to kidnap Heidi?

It’s not like his buddies, John and/or Mike Bohrer didn’t drive around with switched plates. **refer to documents filed for the Hearing regarding Deputy Crisafulli pulling over who is known as John Bohrer in 1992(?) with switched plates and dropping him off near the Gay 90’s, aka Spinners.**

https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/evidence_shows_the_

bohrer_brothers_lived_near_heidi_allen_kidnapping_site_in_199.html

Crisafulli must be a much better investigator to find out that John had a warrant for a different state but when it came to the investigation of Heidi’s disappearance, neither the Sheriff’s Department nor the District Attorney’s Office could find Mike Bohrer’s conviction relating to Mrs. Schmitt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSG5sriERnw

September 14/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Still don't believe there was a cover up?

- Mike Bohere stated about the CI card found in the D&W parking lot BEFORE that information was released.
- Stinson said he was at the D&W before and after Richard was there but did not see a kidnapping.
- Mike Bohere received a fax from the OCSD.
- Balasdaro ( jail house snitch ) now has changed his story and this could be huge.
- Jenn Wescott.." after 20 years I still have to tell you guys that there were 2 vans."
- Judge King..what can you say about this guy? He stopped Lisa from calling Tonya as a witness.
- 10 people testified that 3 guys said they committed the kidnapping. Judge King said the fact that all the stories were different made this info useless?????
- Why wasn't DNA testing done on the bracelet left in the mail box?
- A person told police that he borrowed MB's white van to scrap with. This too was not investigated..wow!
- Why was Tonya getting death threats? That would mean the real suspects are still out there, but Gary was in prison....think about it.
- Moe Todd said he had very little to do with the Heidi Allen case. Biggest case in the county and the sheriff wasn't involved?
- Neighbors at the airport stated that county issued cars were going in there almost nightly around 3-4 AM.

AND FINALLY THE GUY IN THE COURTROOM IN 2014 SAID.." WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING OSWEGO?" "WE COULD HAVE CRACKED THIS CASE IN 2 WEEKS."

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC

September 13/18

Jenn Wescott
Am I making too much out of this stuff.
Last nite was watching HA doc. at 49.50 seconds ( minutes?) the video stops in the interrogation room ( Jenn ) and then a lap top appears on the table next to the cop.
Looks like video jumped, edited, skipped, was stopped. I also posted about Jenn being asked when something happened and she says "August". The same thing happened.
What do you think?
Also MB stated about the lost CI card BEFORE that info was released. I think MB, Roger and Steen were hired to get rid of her. And the fax to MB, pretty hard to dial the wrong number and just get lucky to send it to MB. If Lisa gets lucky with Wrongful COnviction and the FBI suspects a cover up it's gonna be a picnic watching these assholes go down.
The wrong ppl are taking polygraphs.
https://youtu.be/pwNbewrBOks

At about 48.31 with Oakes in the room is the one where the lap top appears.
The first interrogation by Pietrowski is the one that she was asked when it happened and she says " August" and you can see the video jump, skip etc.
This video has been edited but by who and why?

September 13/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Reading the Statement Of Facts, Bivens gives 2 versions of van. It was light blue, then it was whites blue with dark stripe and then he says there may have been a van there I am not really sure.
I think we all have enough info to know who was paid to get Heidi, Jenn gave valuable info that wasn't used??? Why interrogate her then?
We have read about no one seeing GT at the store, not even Swenkowski who was there at the same time as Richard.
Of course we can only hope for Lisa to be granted a Wrongful Conviction and then the FBI investigates this.
But after all this, I wonder: WHAT THE CHILDREN, WIVES, BROTHERS, SISTERS, COUSINS, FRIENDS ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THE OCSD, WHO WAS INVOLVED AND DID MY FATHER REALLY PLAY A PART INTO THE CONVICTION OF AN INNOCENT MAN?

Why was Dodd so quick to go to trial? Did he know something we don't? There wasn't any evidence and the investigation should have led into another direction after they came up with nothing.

But still.." God I hope Dad didn't have anything to do with getting an innocent man convicted and sent away to die in prison. I just can't see how he didn't. There are so many questions that have no answers, the story doesn't hold water. Nothing I see could convict Gary.
I believe you Dad, at least that is what I tell you.
I'd tell you I love you Dad, but I don't.
NOW LIVE WITH IT.

September 12/18

Trudy - Bohrer's Friend
Fact!!Trudy's death was labeled a suicide. It is also fact she burned alive. But her home also burned to the ground. Here's more fact. It's a fact she allowed Bohrer to live with her out of state for a short time. When she began to fear him, she kicked him out of her home. Then she died and her home burned. Strange facts, but all true. The suicide is claimed to have had a proper investigation in to it, but if they were unaware of Bohrer's presence and his back ground, just prior to her death. How well of an investigation was actually done?

September 9-10/18

Here you go, Dick and Greg
More proof that YOU are mislead about the carpet piece from Richard's van.
Inline image
Why did the judge allow the jurors to go to the Sheriffs garage to see the van when there were Many pictures and Kleist testified that there was no indication Heidi was ever in that van?
Hey, what do you know, that transcript page also shows Greg to be more of a liar then we thought from his Matt Mulcahy interview. Greg, you didn't put any of this rebuttal testimony in your 'Statement of Facts'.
Proof after proof after proof that there was no evidence that linked Richards van to Heidi.
I have more legal document proof for anyone not convinced Richards van is irrelevant to the disappearance of Heidi.
WOW, Kleist testified that a fold-up army shovel was not found during any of the Thibodeau's property searches. Another piece of uncorroborated bs from the inmates.

September 9-10/18

Search Warrant
Was there a search warrant for the piece of carpet that was missing from the April 9, 1994 complete search of the van to April 28, 1994 when the van was seen at the car wash?

Even though it was an illegal search and seizure, thank goodness there was a police receipt and testing, with results, done on the carpet or Dodd's theory about the van being washed 'could' have been true. It's the people who haven't seen or want to admit to themselves the FACTS who still believe the BS van washing theory. It's not about whether or not to believe this witness, the evidence, and facts thereof, Was presented during the trial.

Soo.....no link to Heidi ever being in the van on April 9, 1994 when it was forensically tested by OCSD with samples sent to the FBI. No link to Heidi after April 28, 1994 when the van was seen being washed, missing carpet piece illegally confiscated and FBI tested to reveal dog blood (just like this witness testified to) and (logically) STILL no evidence of Heidi so the van was returned to Richard after Gary's passing.

Comment about the Lion Whiner
Being the psychic, seer, having ESP if you will, or above average intelligence....I predict the whiner will next say something to the effect of blah, blah, "hiding behind a keyboard" while also not revealing their own identity. HAHAHA, typical hypocrite. I vow to reveal my identity when Greg agrees to answer questions from the public. Quid pro quo, if you will. Not prearranged questions. He will be allowed notes as he obviously doesn't know as much about this case as he claims.

You are right, though, their whining will have the opposite effect of what they hope for-that people will shut up about the Injustice done to Gary, the inept/incompetent investigation by Oswego County Sheriff's in re Heidi disappearance. It's very hard to ignore the blatant disrespect and misconduct by the DA's office, then and now, to try to keep hidden who may have In Reality/Truthfully been involved with Heidi's disappearance.

P.S. Keep reading. Maybe you'd (whiner) care to productively contribute to any conversation...anonymously, if you choose.
September 8/18

Ed has not run out of room for all submissions, yet!
I do not believe we will ever know who took Heidi, but what makes this whole mess so unbelievable is how the investigation was handled as well as the trial and appeals process, if this is normal judicial process then we are in trouble, this site has had consistent submissions about Heidi's abduction and yes when Gary passed and when we have an over privileged Sheriff running for a higher office it is of concern to some. People who complain about the spelling, grammar and content are certainly missing the point of this medium provided by Mr. Harrington, you are also the type of person who believes if you have nothing to hide then it should be ok to see and search ones home and belongings, it's just not!

Unbelievable....speechless

September 7/18

“There are two kinds of witnesses.

Those who are trying to help and those who are trying to help themselves.”

What did Pietroski or Rojak tell Jennifer Wescott about lying? It’s hard to keep track of the lies?!?

Here’s one way to get by with lies in a Court of Law---Simply state “I don’t recall”. Because, yeah, that makes the witness credible only if they ‘fit’ the prosecutions narrative or agenda. Right, Greg?

September 7/18

The one complaining seems to think anyone cares.
Fact is, no one does. What do we think, we think you need to find something creative to do and if you have an issue with posters then wouldn't common sense tell you the lion isn't for you? Instead you are on here attempting to silence many, because of your vendetta with the Gary Thibodeau case. Well sorry to tell you even though you are use to being a bully and seem to think you can control the population I will link the lion to a few wall's of Gary supporters there are thousands and we will blow up the feeds to make your day even brighter. How's that sound?
September 7/18

Yeah Heidi was a CI....and then conveniently not a CI
Oh Lortie Lortie Lortie! New developments in the Heidi Allen case? Trudie Lortie wanted to be a cop, sued for discrimination. UPDATED
This interesting post appeared on the Oswego Lion May 27th 2016
http://www.oswegonylion.com/news.html

September 7/18

Oswego Lion May 27th 2016

"Heidi Allen news....
All True?
Was it not True officer Lortie was married to a psychic. Was it also a fact this same officer ran the Heidi center and had rented a possible place to Bohrer as well. Is it not a fact that a psychic went to the prison with Bohrer and pretended to be an investigator when he did ? isn't that same psychic Officer Lortie wife? Why would a psychic, who is married to the officer who has access and control in certain areas of this investigation. Friends or some sort of acquaintance to Bohrer? Why would the investigators wife the psychic, Ever visit Gary Thibodeau in prison? But why would she also go along with the idea Bohrer was a self proclaimed investigator ? Knowing that was a lie? Who faxed Bohrer documents from the investigation from the DA office? Is this also the same psychic that Lisa Peebles tried to insert in to Gary's hearing, the paperwork Bohrer had on the psychic he was tugging around with. By the name of Trudy last name Lortie. Notes and information he obtained that described not only how she died. But where she might be? Did this same psychic later have Bohrer live with her out of state? So many questions. But a very strange connection. If the Sheriffs are such exceptional investigators. This officer Lortie if he did indeed rent property to Bohrer at one point, or sold, shared, anything. How does he not know who the person is he rented to? With a criminal past like Bohrer's, it did not seem very difficult information for Gary's attorneys to obtained? I wouldn't say he was a very good investigator. These are the people that everyone's listening to that helped prosecute Gary. OZwego County Citizens. Are you outta your flipping minds!!! FREE GARY!!
May 27/16"

Oswego Lion is a local blog of gossip, rumor and news that other mainstream outlets would not usually publish. It often turns up things that later make it into the more mainstream media, but is not necessary to be taken as proven fact.
We saw this a few days ago, but it has now been re-posted at the Facebook Page run by Gary Thibodeau's family and supporters which makes it more likely there is something to the story. Some of the allegations lend credence to other information that has been rumored in the past. We will cover that later in this article. https://www.facebook.com/FREEGARYTHIBODEAU/
We know Trudie Lortie visited Gary Thibodeau, in jail with Prime suspect Michael Bohrer who, FBI profiler, Clint VanZandt, eluded to in the recent Dateline special on the Heidi Allen case.
Lisa Peebles provided Trudie Lortie's sign in details from the prison records, in one of her filings to Judge King's court.
Gary Thibodeau talked to Alex Dunbar in a recently televised interview with CNY Central and recalled the visit of the psychic. Initially Gary didn't remember but then he recalled and gave some interesting detail to reporter Alex Dunbar.
http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/2016/03/gary-thibodeau-speaks-out-in-his-first_15.html

"Oh - the psychic. He said he was an investigator and she was a psychic and wanted to hug me," Thibodeau recalled.

It looks like Deputy Lortie maybe is now retired.. he got an award in December 2003.

"PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS Leg. Rush along with Undersheriff Robert Lighthall the Public Safety Committee members, and Roy Lortie, Patrol Officer Lt. came forward to present Lieutenant Lortie with an award for 29 years of service. "
http://www.oswegocounty.com/legislature/meetings/2004/LEG121103-2pm.pdf

Trudie Lortie wanted to be a cop, sued for discrimination.

Post Standard Jan 7th 1989
"CNY N E W S Woman Charges Town with Bias PARISH - The wife of an Oswego County sheriff's deputy claims she was discriminated against by the town of Parish after she was denied a job on the town's police force. In a complaint filed with the State Division of Human Rights, Trude Lortie of Colosse said she was not given a police job because of her gender. Jerome Mirabito, an independent counsel representing Parish, said Friday the town received notice of the complaint in September. " The town has denied the charge, Mirabito said. The alleged offense occurred sometime between July and September 1988, according to Mirabito, but no further details have been released. Lortie, wife of Deputy Roy Lortie, could .not be reached for comment. Walter Byrne, director of the state Human Rights Division, said details of complaints regarding human rights cannot be publicly disclosed by his office. Once a complaint is filed,- Byrne said, an investigation is conducted and, depending on its outcome, a hearing may be scheduled. The town of Parish has not received notice of a hearing date, Mirabito said" Post Standard Jan 7th 1989

Something else in common with wanna be cop, Michael Bohrer?

We looked up Trudie Lortie, in old newspaper articles. We expected to find an ad or two advertising her services as a psychic, but came up short.
She doesn't seem to have ever gotten into any legal trouble, or been written about in any articles, or have had any affiliations with groups or clubs. All we could find was her Marriage announcement to Sheriff Deputy Roy C. Lortie, her death notice from 2006, some real estate transactions and a bankruptcy, shortly before she died.

"Trudie M. Lortie November 26, 2006 Trudie M. Lortie, 50, of Parish, died in Pennsylvania on Sunday: Born in Watertown, Trudie is the daughter of Anna and Arthur Grossnickle. Trudie graduated from APW School in 1974. She worked as a bartender and retired as a Mold Operator with General Motors. Trudie loved her family, fun times, camping and country music. We will all miss her. Trudie is survived by her parents; three sisters, Melodie Hall of Susquehanna, PA, Sherie (Mark) Strife of Syracuse, and Joann (Ralph) Harris of Hastings, NE; three brothers, Terry (Mary) Hall of E. Syracuse, Lee Hall of Charlotte, NC, and Reginald Hall of Parish; and many nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, cousins, and great-nieces and nephews. Calling Hours: Monday, 12 to 2 p.m. at Traub Funeral Home, 684 N. Main Street, Central Square. Service: Monday, 2 p.m. immediately following the calling hours at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Trudie's mother, Anna Grossnickle towards the purchase of a monument.
Traub Funeral Home Central Square NY "

Comment on the Oswego Lion

Trudie Lortie's obit. mentions several occupations, but nothing about being a psychic.
It does say she was a bartender. We know Michael Bohrer told Sheriff investigators, in his recorded and published 2013 interview, that he hung out and blended into the background at local bars, hoping to overhear details in his investigation regarding Heidi's disappearance. Maybe this is how he met Trudie Lortie

"3267 state Route 69, Mexico, $79,000; Trudie M. Lortie Estate to Dan 0. Barnhard
Syracuse Post StandardThursday, December 18, 2008, Syracuse, New York"
She seems to have had property in Mexico NY , despite living in Pennsylvania that was sold off 2 years after she died.
UPDATE" This comment was just posted.
AnonymousJune 2, 2016 at 4:36 PM
3267 state Route 69, Mexico, NY. Look it up, it's right near the tracks just before Red Mill Road. Behind it are the woods and Rice Road. Maybe Lisa Peebles should have the cadaver dogs check that location?
Updated. It is a strange connection? Bohrer's Medspars address was 3146 State Route 69, just down the road from Trudie Lortie's 3267 State Route 69.
It's ironic that the one psychic Sally Naramore was trying to send investigators to the same area the other physic lived. We think there is more to this. We didn't find out how and when Trudie Lortie acquired this property.

"1819 Court St. — $45,000 — Ruth G. O'Brien to Trudie M Lortie on Jan. 20 2000

1819 Court St. — $62,000 — Trudie M. Lortie to Kimberly A. Wheeler on Dec. 12. 2000"

In 2000, she seems to have lived in Syracuse for a year and owned property on Court Street.
She sold it less than a year later for a decent profit to someone named Wheeler. We wonder if they were any relation to Investigator Robert Wheeler from OCSD, but that's just speculation on our part.
Wheeler was confronted in court in 1995 by, then defense lawyer, Joe Fahey for inconsistencies as to when Gary Thibodeau became a suspect. He narrowly escaped perjury charges.
He was involved with getting jailhouse snitch testimony against Gary.
He also went alone to talk to "Danny Barney" after Heidi's father and a probation officer, named him as a suspect.
No record of what was said has surfaced and why he eliminated Dan Barney. The next day Wheeler records Gary Thibodeau as prime suspect in the days investigation notes from OCSD.
It's a common name and unlikely connected, but does anyone know if Kimberly A. Wheeler is a relative of Deputy. Wheeler, who Trudie sold her home to?

"Trudie M. Lortie, Parish, Chapter 13, major unsecured creditor. First USA Bank, Wilmington, Del., $7,976. Syracuse Post Standard August 25, 2005"
A bankruptcy was filed shortly before she died and may have been related to medical expenses? She seemed to be able to hold onto the property she owed in Mexico NY.

Syracuse Herald JournalSunday, August 12, 1984, Syracuse, New York
"MR. AND MRS. LORTIE The Rev. Dean Hill heard the wedding vows of Miss Trudie N. Banks and Roy C. Lortie July 7 in Parish Methodist Church. The bride is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Grossnickle of Parish. The bridegroom is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Leon Lortie of Watertown. Matron of honor was Anna Grossnickle. mother of the bride. Bridesmaids were Linda Stitt, Darcy Spencer, aunt of the bride, and Joann Hall, sister of the bride. Traci LaBreck and Melissa Spencer were flower girls. Rick Spencer, uncle of the bride, was best man. Robert Griffith and Todd Rhoad ushered- Jeff Nash was attendant Ring bearers were Ryan Braky and Jeremy Spencer. After a reception in Hastings Fire Station, the couple vacationed in Jamboree. Wheeling, W. Va. The bride, a graduate of Altmar-Parish-Wllllamstown High School, is employed by General Motors, Fisher Body Division. The bridegroom, a graduate of General Brown Central School, is employed by the Oswego County Sheriff's Department."

Roy and Trudie Lortie may have been separated and Roy Lortie remarried as there was a real estate transaction recorded in 1990 for Roy C. Lortie and Sandra S. Lortie. It could have been a relative, but it looks like Trudie was out of the picture before Heidi Allen disappeared in 1994.
Syracuse Post Standard September 12, 1990

Syracuse Post Standard January 13, 2000 (full article below)
Syracuse Post Standard December 18, 2003 (full article below)
The rental of property to Michael Bohrer ties into this old post on the now defunct Peeled Onion Blog from May 12, 2015.

http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/2015/10/left-overs-from-peeled-onion-blog.html

Here are Bohrer's notes that Sheriff investigators got from him in 2013 and were eventually turned over to Federal Public Defender, Lisa Peebles, before the hearing.

Another comment on the Oswego Lion
Deputy Lortie wrote the report that Joe Fahey , then Gary Thiboeau's lawyer, saw in 1995. This is at the heart of the defense case, that the full CI information wasn't turned over to Fahey in 1995. Van Patten wrote a report at the same time Fahey was asking questions about the Lortie report in 1995. Deputy Van Patten had dropped the CI card years earlier, outside the D& W.

The Lortie Report 4/27/94
Heidi Allen's role as drug informant was issue at 1994 hearing
Mike McAndrew | mmcandrew@syracuse.comBy Mike McAndrew | mmcandrew@syracuse.com
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on January 13, 2015 at 10:34 AM, updated January 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The question of whether Heidi Allen was an informant for the Oswego County Sheriff's Department before she was kidnapped was first raised in 1994 when lawyers for Gary Thibodeau were preparing to defend him before his trial.
Below is a story that was published Dec. 7, 1994 in The Post-Standard. It reports that Thibodeau's lawyers were planning to ask a judge to order the district attorney's office to turn over any records it possessed relating to Allen being a confidential drug informant.
This week, Thibodeau's lawyers are back in court seeking a new trial for him in part because they say prosecutors and the sheriff's office did not turn over records that showed Allen was a drug informant, records that they say could have helped them defend Thibodeau at his trial.
Former Oswego County Judge Jack Brandt testified this morning at the hearing.
District Attorney Greg Oakes has said the defense was provided with all required records before Thibodeau's 1995 trial.
HEIDI ALLEN'S ROLE AGAIN QUESTIONED
By Janet Gramza
A defense lawyer in the Heidi Allen case has renewed questions about whether the 18-year-old New Haven girl was working as a police informant when she vanished from the D&W Convenience store April 3.
Kidnapping suspect Gary Thibodeau's lawyer, Joseph Fahey, said his questions are based on a report by an Oswego County sheriff's sergeant who recognized Allen's name as that of a "confidential informant" the morning she disappeared.
Fahey said he will ask Oswego County Judge John W. Brandt on Thursday to direct the prosecution to disclose all information about Allen's possible activities as an informant.
Sheriff's department officials say Allen did speak to deputies about an unrelated drug case two years before she disappeared, and the information she gave was never used.
Fahey said that if that's the case, it would bolster his efforts to get the case against Thibodeau dismissed.
Gary Thibodeau, 41, and his brother, Richard, are charged with first- and second-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Allen, based in part on statements by two men who were in the Worcester County Jail in Massachusetts at the same time as Gary Thibodeau. Thibodeau was in jail awaiting trial, after he was arrested in May as a fugitive from Massachusetts on misdemeanor cocaine-possession charges.
The two former inmates, Robert Baldasaro and James McDonald, claim he told them he abducted Allen because she was "going to get him in trouble" with the police over drugs.

Fahey said his interest in getting the answer was piqued by a report by sheriff's Sgt. Roy Lortie about Allen's disappearance.
In his report, Lortie wrote that when he heard a transmission about Allen's disappearance on the police scanner April 3, he recognized her name as that of a confidential informant who had worked with the department's Anti-Crime Team when he oversaw it in 1991 and 1992.
Lortie wrote that he informed Undersheriff Reuel Todd that a confidential-informant file on Allen should be in the department's locked drug files. "The file would include names of dealers that Allen would have been involved with, " Lortie wrote.
Lortie also reported that investigators were at first unable to locate the file, and asked Allen's police contact, Deputy Chris Van Patten, where it was.
"Van Patten did not recall Allen as a confidential informant in 1991 until (I) reminded him, " Lortie wrote. "Van Patten then called the office and had someone check his mailbox. The file was located and relayed to the crime scene."
Fahey and Richard Thibodeau's lawyer, Bill Walsh, said Tuesday they had not been given a confidential-informant file on Allen in response to their discovery demands requiring the prosecution to show them its evidence in the case.
Sheriff's Lt. Dean Goodsell and Todd said Tuesday that there is no formal file, because Allen was not really an informant.
Goodsell and Todd said they stand by past statements that Allen had talked to investigators in 1992 about possibly informing on a drug deal involving a friend, but the case never went anywhere. Goodsell said the case did not involve the Thibodeaus.

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Here's a piece of evidence I guess the OCSD must have " forgotten " to investigate:
oswegonylion news page
www.oswegonylion.com/news.html
OSWEGONYLION.COM. aka oswego lion OSWEGO NY 13126. ... "after 20 years I still have to ell you there was a second van". Mike Bohere had a white van that he lent to a person who gave a statement of this...but this was not investigated. ... MB moved to Mexico with his brother after his wife left him because of abuse.

*** remember Jenn and others said they saw a WHITE VAN. Richard's van is BLACK AND WHITE.
September 7/18

To Thibodeau, OCSD, wrong spelled words, same person...I don't think so.
All these don't make sense???/ Typos they are typos.
You sound like a OCSD that is panicking. Hang on, it's gonna get worse. Hear this: how did Stinson NOT see a kidnapping if he in his own words was there before Richard and after Richard. This case is falling apart.

September 6/18

Thibodeau, OCSD and misspelled words
CAT...c-a-t
You're so smart, answer this:
What would chairs look like if our knees were behind our legs?
Or: If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?
Or: What's the difference between 3/8s and 2/8s?

September 6/18

New 'suspects'
Bohrer, Breckenridge, Steen, Barney, Murtaugh....ALL had some involvement with the investigation in 1994/1995.

Greg, read your own filing. NONE of them were just cherry picked from 'bad' members of the community. AND, some of them even 'confessed' to what happened to Heidi. sir (not capitalized for a reason), you are a dope and should be fired or resign from embarrassment. 3 cadaver dogs indicated in the cabin in the woods but, yet, not one of 6 State dogs so much as indicated on Gary's property. Which according to your narrative, Heidi was taken, dismembered, burned in Gary's stove, buried on his property or (at the same time) taken to MA in the Caddy on April 3, 4, 5 when it was PROVEN they were in Oswego!!

**Silent prayer that Oswego County will be rid of it's vermin masquerading as 'fighters for justice'.**

Lisa B,

You were right about an aspect of the Appeals that were sensationalized....the fact that an inoperable van was stolen from Gary's property in August 1994 by Breckenridge, Murtaugh and another. You know, from being in court and listening to the evidence (lack of) that the blue van on Gary's property could NOT have/did not have any sign that your sister was in it. Likewise, there was no evidence that Heidi was ever in Richards van. Additionally sensationalized was the disturbing of the area off Rice Road. Your DA claimed publicly that it was a reporter and former investigator who disturbed the area when, in fact, it was 2 other people who claimed responsibility days before Greg made his public accusation.

However, what was not sensationalized was the fact that 3 people who were investigated in 1994/1995 stated that they knew what happened to Heidi. The cadaver dog indications on Rice Road, also, were not sensationalized. It is a fact that they indicated as opposed to no indications from State dogs on Gary's property in June and/or July 1994-when the scent would have been 'fresh'.

It really is sad to keep believing lies!!

September 6/18

DB
Dan Barney is a pos, but the DA believes he's an angel and must be Bobby Wheeler did also for crossing him off the list as probable suspect. Now big ol Dan sits on the town board of New Haven the very town Heidi vanished from. Ironic.

September 6/18

Re: Just Curious
Yes, he did. It’s in the Defense’s filing and the document has been posted many times and reported in the news-Among the exhibits in the court papers, results of a lie detector test taken by Gary Thibodeau from prison in 1996. The certified polygraphist concludes there "are no significant reactions to the above questions that are indicative of deception."

Re: Mrs. Granger's statements
Yes, they were turned over during the sentencing phase of Gary’s trial. Dodd wrote a letter in August 1995 about the statements and the copy of Heidi’s diary in the popo’s possession. Damn shame that Dodd KNEW about these three items and didn’t turn them over to the Defense so Fahey may have had time to use them during the trial for the jurors to take into consideration. Isn’t the prosecution required to turn over witness statements a week before trial? Why did Judge Clary not take opposition to, at least, Mrs. Granger’s April 3, 1994 statement not being turned over until July 1995?

Strategic move not to turn them over? I’d say so. The diary had no mention of Richard or Gary and we KNOW the diary was used in Richard’s trial.

More and more research into this case makes Dodd and the investigators look crooked. I hope KARMA comes swift and hard for those a-holes.

September 6/18

Re: Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
What do you think? I
can tell at least 4 different writers of comments about the
Gary Thibodeau/Heidi Allen case/ incompetent OCSD.

Since we’re playing
psychoanalysis of comments, I can tell that the 2 commenters
(about how many people they think are commenting) have a
particular personal grudge against someone. No, no
need to confirm that I’m right.

September 6/18

I do not pay that much attention to spelling especially when you are dealing with auto complete

and auto correct and I cannot always tell who is behind an email address. Between the teachers

unions and the various education departments spelling and grammar have been butchered to a

point that there is probably no going back to the English language of 50-60 years ago.

All things considered I would say there appears to be 4 or 5 regular posters re: Heidi Allen/ Gary Thibodeau

and then probably another 3 or 4 that post only once or twice a month.

Spelling aside the repeated use of various words, phrases or expressions tends to give a person a voice

which is sometimes quite recognizable. Going back to the election for mayor of Oswego in what, 2016?

Easily 90% of the posts that were pro Barlow or anti Tresseder came from the same two people using a

variety of email addresses.

Re: Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
I’ve got to agree. Most of the posts make
no sense and the consistently misspelled words are a
giveaway to one person writing them.

September 5/18

Mrs. Granger's statements
Mike Bohrer knew when he was writing his notes, etc…for his book in 1995, that Mrs. Granger caught Mr. Stinson lying about going outside to check for Heidi because there were no footprints and he ‘knew’ the clerk was Heidi? But the best Pietroski could ask Bohrer was what the public heard of his questioning? Did anyone think of asking Mr. Stinson again, since he made a statement after reading Heidi’s sisters book, what he recalls of April 3, 1994 or his testimony? Maybe Stinson is witness number 4 that stated something different to LE than what he told them. While we’re counting, witnesses 5 and 6 whose testimony was made to fit the prosecutions narrative were the inmates since, clearly, they had been told details by Gary that he was getting from his family reading him news articles while incarcerated.

The pattern of massaging witnesses is becoming painfully obvious. But yet the AG didn’t see it that way? Unless they were wrongfully steered or information withheld.

No wonder, Greg, that you initially questioned Pietroski’s integrity in a Court of Law. Pietroski, and anyone in LE who thinks something wasn’t wrong with the investigation to begin with or more recent investigation, Should Be Fired!! Get some people in there who can figure out how 1+2=3223112.

September 5/18

Just curious.
Did Gary ever take a lie detector test?

September 5/18

Gary Thibodeau..The Death Of Common Sense
Watched the Heidi Allen video on You Tube.....sure looks like it was edited in some spots. You can see Jenn's leg move in a jerky fashion but all the rest of the video is smooth.

Also watched as MB was talked to by a deputy at his trailer. He said he wasn't a violent man: Did time for attempted kidnapping in Wisconsin.

Beat and attempted another one I believe in either Wisconsin or Binghamton area.

Did he beat a woman in Beacon, NY?

Naw he's not violent.

September 4/18

As promised
Here is the complete witness statement from Mrs. Granger who was present at the D&W with Mr. Stinson before Deputy Curtis arrived and part of the letter she wrote in July 1995.

To the person who can't understand information for the Heidi Allen case, let's make this real simple.
First, read Mrs. Granger's April 3, 1994 statement. Note the received stamp.
Second, read the handwritten note she sent to LE on July 14, 1995.
Third, note the received stamp on the handwritten letter.

Why were both the initial statement and the letter both stamped for July 21, 1995? Does that mean the April 3, 1994 statement was NOT part of the 'entire' OCSD report that Dodd claimed to have turned over to defense? We July 1995 letter doesn't have a green mark either. Was it EVER turned over to the Defense? More pages are available to read if anyone would like to read the complete letter.

Note, this is witness number 3 who claims that LE did not take her statement correctly. 2 witnesses testified to such and this witness wrote a letter.

Seems to be a pattern of incompetence with those investigators.

September 4/18

Dan Barney
Dan Barney what a piece of shit. Yep a real tough guy. Always beats on guys a lot smaller than himself. Never heard about him fighting someone his own size. A big punk. I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with or knew something about Heidi Allen's fate. Just look at his background.

September 4/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
We have all been told of the vast amount of evidence the OCSD had on G.T. Of course we have yet to see, hear or been told about it...you know, like the rabbit in the hat thingy.

So let's just take a look at what the OCSD ignored, didn't follow up on, lied about in and out of court and any other info they chose to hide, forget and bury.

1. Swenkowski held the door for Richard, left at the same time as Richard and NEVER did see Heidi, Gary or a kidnapping taking place.

2. Stinson said he was there before 7:35am and flagged down a cop at 7:55am....but never saw a kidnapping. Which brings us to Bivens who says he did see the crime..but also said he was there between 8-8:30am.

3. Didn't Gary prove thru his relatives that he was home all morning?

4.How did Oakes know the caddy was in MA, when deputies testified in court that they had GT's house under survellence on the 3rd, 4th and 5th and the caddy was in the driveway.

5. How was Sharon spotted around town, talked to a pharmacist and others but was in MA at the same time?

6. Why did VanPatten tell a friend of a big bust coming from the help of a "GIRL" in Oswego?

7. Moe said on Dateline we had numerous people to look at yet never investigated Mike Bohere's white van.

8.Were the neighbors of Steen, Bohere and Breckenridge interviewed to see if they heard any of them leave early that morning?

9. We know a man testified that he borrowed Bohere's WHITE van to scrap with...but again nothing was done except for a cover up. I think I read that the DMV couldn't come up with document proof if MB did own a white van....I can understand how hard it must have been to punch in "Michael Bohere" to find proof. This is Mickey Mouse stuff people.

10. Oakes says he is certain GT is guilty..so Greg please tell us so we can put this to bed before the FBI comes to town.

11. We KNOW Jenn Wescott lived on Rice Road, knew Roger Breckenridge and went to Florida with him...this is on the tapped phone call...but again this too was ignored.

12. In Jenn's interrogation video, she is asked when something happened. She said "August" and then the video stops as if thee was an edit to it. See for yourself....You Tube.."The Heidi Allen Case"

12. "After 20 years I still have to tell you (OCSD) that there were two vans"...Jenn Wescott. Sure sounds like she knew all about this case, lied about not knowing anything and should have been arrested or held for questioning after giving the investigator this info. NOPE, but how do we ignore this? By simply telling the people that a professional investigator knew what he was doing and the public doesn't have any knowledge of how interrogations are done. Excuse me, I am laughing so hard I need a break.

13. Why did Judge King determine the witnesses that heard the 3 say at different times that it was unreliable because they all had different versions. Well Judge King, maybe they heard it at different times...but nice try anyway.

14. Jenn Wescott told them that they brought Heidi to the her house..( the same house Jenn said she never lived at ) and King says it's hearsay because Jenn did not see Heidi. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? How many statements are used in court by DAs to help build a case?
This is one up on the Hostess Twinkie Defense. Of course King you must know that most if not all statements would fall under your hearsay ruling. So why bring Steen etc. to court to tell what they heard...it's all hearsay.

15. Oakes, after just hours determined that the call between TOnya and Jenn wasn't any good...even though it was the investigators telling what to ask.

16. When Jenn was caught lying to the investigator...saying things about a white van etc. why wasn't she arrested on suspicion of knowing or being involved in a crime? Bring her in, ask questions, get some info they needed and then let her go....BRILLIANT!

I guess i could go on and on but if you were the cops, investigating a possible murder would you have ignored all of this?

Who were they covering for?

Brother if you can't answer that question you are really not trying.

First one that talks walks, all others go to prison.The Blue line is now a dotted line!

September 2-3/18

Refreshing memories

September 2-3/18

Refute This
What is really messed up over your refuted evidence claim is this. If finding nothing on Rice Road rules these suspects out, then common sense tells even the idiot DA, no human remains on Gary's property or his brothers rules them out as well. Breckenridge also testified Wescott lived on Rice. Maybe Purdy should explain her link to Leo Richardson's bar. But then again they all lie why would she ever tell the real truth? Brian Mensch testified he lived there, Purdy testified she lived there. We could go on and on, Breckenridge testified Wescott lived there, but truth is they are all obviously lying. But why? Purdy has repeated aliases and repeated addresses, wonder if she's aware some know about the camper and the couple who lived in a trailer at the end of rice road in the 90's. Do you truly believe her bullshit seeing as the landlord denies ever living with her in the same trailer. Everyone's refuting, it's the same trick Oj Simpson's attorneys used to free that murderer and the same trick the idiots in OZ used to cover up their cover up. Are you going to refute these facts. Including where Purdy seems to like having her family reunion? Please anyone with a lick of common sense knows one thing, that one thing is simple you morons have blood on your hands and it does not take a genius to figure out who the real culprits are.

Darcy Purdy has 2 rice road addresses lmao the DA didn't look too hard.

September 1/18

Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
Does the person who sends you post after post realize that most people don't have a clue what she or he is rambling on about?? Most are so incoherent that it's impossible to decode.

Are we supposed to think it's a bunch of different people writing them when the writing style is the same right down to the misspelled words?

It's really getting old and I know the answer will be if you don't like it, don't read it or don't visit the site. I do like this site but the good stuff gets buried by all the incoherent Heidi Allen case posts.

September 1/18

Gary Thibodeau
Maybe, maybe not that he was a low level drug dealer. I don’t personally know but when people start saying “we didn’t like him” even though they also, didn’t know him, makes one wonder that there had to have been more than just his brother was at the store where Heidi disappeared to want to “get the man”. Obviously, the Sheriff’s department did a great job getting Gary’s NCIC report but yet couldn’t or didn’t find out about Bohrer.? I bet that something like assault on a police officer would make the boys in blue hold a grudge!!

Steen and Bohrer, for sure, admitted to being drug dealers.

Just like the juror said that they thought Gary was in to something but didn’t necessarily think he kidnapped Heidi. Shame on the judges instruction for them to deliberate based on who they ‘believed’. They were in a court of LAW where the burden was ‘Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt’.

Yeah Todd, like they could have found other ‘opportunity’ than a busy Easter morning years after your deputy recklessly dropped Heidi’s CI information in a public parking lot. If she hadn’t been ‘used’ up to that point, maybe she was going to give some usable information or maybe she threatened someone in the lot that morning that acted spontaneously. You guys can live with that shame. Just like the shame of forcing a minor to sign up to avoid their own trouble. Her consequences for what she had done would not have affected the rest of her life. Unless she was vying for public office. Ultimately, Sir, you failed your mission to find Heidi. So, in your infinite wisdom of Gary being guilty even though you claim to have limited involvement with Heidi’s disappearance, What is your speculation as to why Gary didn’t ‘give it up’ like you claim he did to the inmates? Nevermind, don’t answer. I don’t want to hear any more of your cockamamie lies.
August 31/18

Same ol trick new victim
It's funny some people have reported loosening of lug nuts on their car. Funny someone just did it to Richard Thibodeau. Better hope nothing happens to Richard Feds are no one to mess with, Murtagh. You have been the only one publically threatening to burn the Thibodeaus home to the ground. Your home would be the first door knocked on then your buddy Dan Barneys. Dumb asses.
August 31/18

The information group is bigger than I thought!
Bohrer also had copies of the investigation in 1994, faxed to him, with the District Attorneys number as the incoming fax.“Are you prohibiting me from asking Mr. Dodd if he faxed documents to a primary suspect?” Bianco asked the judge.
“Yes, I am,” he said. “You’re the one calling him a primary suspect.”
The judge refused to let Gary Thibodeau attorneys , question Donald Dodd on why the District Attorneys office faxed, Bohrer parts of the investigation. Suspect or not. That is not normal procedure. Why and how could this happen? sending investigation material to this guy! needs a closer look, just look for documents with a blue check mark, the system to track this material.
August 29-30/18

Set some things aside and he's a regular Joe!
Bohrer was a suspect in two other attempted kidnappings. He was also a suspect in a brutal beating to a female in Beacon, N.Y. Bohrer is from Milwaukee, it seems where ever Bohrer went back then. Things happened to women. Including his wife leaving him, for suspected abuse to his daughters. Now setting all of this aside as the investigating team did, what would make you think he could be involved? now that's more than enough for any linch mob! Why? because they knew he did not do it! which means they knew who did, they also knew it wasn't Gary, but that was their story and boy they struck to it!
August 29-30/18

Still not a reasonable doubt?
Here are five ways District Attorney Gregory Oakes and Assistant DA Mark Moody refuted the defense:

1. Judge's denial

Oakes objected to an attempt by Thibodeau's lawyer to introduce testimony about a 1981 abduction conviction against one of the three new possible suspects, Michael Bohrer. King ruled the two crimes were not similar enough to admit the 1981 case out of Milwaukee into evidence.

The victim, Catherine Schmitt, was flown in from Milwaukee to testify. But King would not allow it. She told Syracuse.com that Bohrer, a stranger to her, grabbed her from behind and dragged nearly all the way into his car, punching her in the face as he went. Thibodeau's lawyers argued that crime was so similar to Allen's kidnapping that the judge should consider them as proof that Bohrer might have been involved.

2. Who lived at Rice Road?

Darcy Purdy testified she her and her boyfriend were living in a trailer on Rice Road from January 1993 to the end of 1995 -- not Jennifer Wescott or Roger Breckenridge.
If that's the case, it blows a hole in the defense's theory that Breckenridge, Bohrer and James Steen brought the kidnapped Allen to that trailer on Easter 1994.

Purdy produced mail and a marriage registry showing that was her address in 1994. She was married in September 1994.

3. No human remains

A team of investigators from the Onondaga County Medical Examiner's Office spent two days sifting through dirt at the site of a collapsed cabin in the woods off Rice Road but found no human remains.

The team went to the site after a state police cadaver dog indicated it had picked up the scent of human remains near a collapsed cabin in an area close to where Steen alllegedly confessed to hiding Allen's remains.

Deputy Medical Examiner Dr. Laura Knight testified that she's conducted forensic excavations at three sites based on cadaver dogs alerting, but none produced any human remains.

4. Dodd's green marker system

Dodd, who prosecuted Thibodeau, testified that in 1994 and 1995 he had everyone in his office use a green marker to show that a given document had been copied and placed into a box that would be turned over to Thibodeau's lawyers. He said that mark verified that the evidence had been turned over.

Defense lawyer Randi Bianco argued that the green mark only indicated that a document had been copied, not when, by whom, or if it was turned over to Thibodeau's defense. King agreed that the mark only indicated the document had been copied.

5. Confidential informant info kept confidential

The owner of the D&W Convenience Store testified she never disclosed to anyone except her mother and police that she'd found a lost index card and photo revealing Allen was a confidential informant.

Kristine Duell found the items in the D&W parking lot in January 1992 after Deputy Chris Van Patten dropped them there. Van Patten testified that he never revealed Allen's confidential informant status to anyone outside the sheriff's office.

Thibodeau's lawyers contend the dropping of those items exposed Allen's identity as an informant and provided a motive for drug dealers to target her. The lawyers contend reports about the dropped items weren't disclosed to Thibodeau's trial lawyer.

verb (used with object)

to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe.
to distrust.
Archaic. to fear; be apprehensive about. They have control of the word reasonable, another big grey area I guess.

August 29-30/18

Fat Lady Sings
It ain't over until the fat lady sings and Jennifer Wescott isn't singing yet, but I'm certain she will be in the end.
Re: Gary Thibodeau..The Death Common Sense
August 29-30/18

OAKS
I WONDER IF OUT FAMOUS "LETS MAKE A DEAL" OAKS IS GOING TO GIVE THE TOWN CLERK THAT STOLE $ THE SAME DEAL HE GAVE THE LOWLIFE OSWEGO FIREMAN SMAGELSKI WHO KEEPS ON STEALING

GOTTA LOVE THE LITTLE PUPPET
                                                                                                                             August 29-30/18

conviction or convection?
How many noticed, in a submission I used the words Investigation,trail and convection! no I will not use the word conviction, it wasn't, it was convection Physics. the transfer of heat by the circulation or movement, The transfer of blame. Nothing and I do mean nothing linked Gary to this other than Heidi and the Sheriff, informant confidentiality plays a large role in this puzzle, to protect an informants identity has a wide range of gray area, yes you can lie,cheat and even steal under it's protection, this narrowed the information field to just a few officers, you've seen their names here on this site. This made steering the blame quite easy and in full control of all information within this little group! A low level drug dealer doesn't kidnap he just drives a white caddy, why do cops hate white caddy's?
                                                                                                                             August 28/18

You will never guess who.
Who was at Gary's funeral.
God I hope you are telling truth about this person because this is what I was hoping for seeing that King "leaned" to the DA, evidence ignored, hearsay (bs) King witness statements are used all the time, Jenn Wescott statement ignored, D&W: Stinson, Swenkowski (truthful), taped ph call was used to discredit Tonya, nothing more...Inv. told her what to ask so that kills the day before call as to setting up questions...and why would Tonya do this if her intent was to get to the truth, death threats to Tonya..why?

Oakes.."my kids hair etc would be in my car, they found
nothing in the van...lie. They did, I didn't match Heidi's DNA..per Kliest. Steen: "she was gonna turn in some big big guys". THis says a lot about who, what and when.
Where did RT and GT kill her in such a short period of time.
Oakes lied about caddy being in MA, per deputies stake out of GT's home.
3-4 people at D&W saw NOTHING. Stinson should have as he said he was there before and after & flagged down a cop.but did not see a kidnapping????????
Jenn: "after 20 years I still have to ell you there was a second van".

Mike Bohere had a white van that he lent to a person who gave a statement of this...but this was not investigated.
Guy said someone called Steen morning of his killing 2 ppl but doesn't know who used his phone..yeah right.

The truth is no one is going to kill for being turned in for selling pot.

THE BIG BIG GUYS HIRED THESE 3 TO GET HER AND IT GOES VERY DEEP INTO WHO WAS INVOLVED IN DRUGS AND WHO SUPPLIED THEM.

DON'T YOU WISH YOU HAD A PILOTS LICENSE BACK THEN...YOU COULD HAVE MADE A LOT OF MONEY.

All these obvious mistakes were covered up by a judge and others. This is going to be the crash of all crashes. Wait and see who was involved.

Oakes" I don't have much integrity into the OCSD inv. of this crime". Said that to Lisa Pebbles...then changed his mind after someone talked to him.
And after all this, no sighting of Gary at the store, even when Swenkowski held the door open for Richard, and Stinson said he was there before and after.

Man am I glad I am not any of you guys. Get ready because the FBI does not fool around.

Like the man said...TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK....OH ALL THOSE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS STARTING TO TAKE THEIR TOLL.

Karma baby karma. Now it's your turn.

Congratulations and thank you for all the citizens that uncovered, exposed and pointed this in all the right directions...we did a great job.

Now is your chance to do the right thing....contact Lisa, FBI or DOJ on the qt if you know something.
                                                                                                                             August 28/18

WE KNOW IT'S ABOUT HEIDI, YOU P.O.S
For three days I've had no sleep, seeing the words that came out of our top good ole boys mouth,"lets remember this is about Heidi", just hearing you speak her name disgust me, you P.O.S we know this is about Heidi it has been since day one, I believe that your department was involved in her disappearance, and now Gary who was innocent was lost by your hands, the Sheriffs department has innocent blood on their hands and our Government just keeps handing you sanitary wipes to remove and hide your possible crimes against the community you serve, so do not think we have forgotten this is about Heidi, but now it's about you, we are teaching our grand children to know the difference between a Sheriff uniform and car as to a Troopers uniform and car, they will grow up knowing that all police are NOT GOOD. and to avoid your type at all cost!, this is age of corruption, lies and deceit and you are now a gang, I so much hated hearing Mr. Sullivan say I've worked everyday to get were I am, are you kidding, you for some reason had all the bad disappear a chance everyone else does not get, mommy and daddy with the POWER to hide your past,well not so, you just can not get all the dirty stains out of your little laundry basket, YES THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT HEIDI YOU P.O.S you made it about Gary and your corrupt department even your presence at our county fair ruined a nice day! thanks. Who could believe that a group of elected Judges looked over all this bullshit and decided that the investigation, trail and convection was done in accordance with our Judicial system and that they showed beyond any REASONABLE DOUBT that Gary was guilty. How could this be? how high does this injustice go?.
August 26-27/18

murtagh
Clark Hamilton senior ring a bell you lying pos. you seem to think no one knows who's van you stole well everyone does now don't they. ISN'T his ex girlfriend linked to you. she sure is, she has then and is now once again working for you. sick bastard. guess what murtagh we have an audio of how you steal vans and switch the vin numbers. we are going to leak it to the public by the time you read this. it'll be LIVE
August 26-27/18

How is it they pulled off the van? This may explain.
https://youtu.be/5TOI2nXNIE4

August 26-27/18

Gary the Innocent Thibodeau

August 26-27/18

Authorities return Richard Thibodeau's van decades later

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/authorities-return-richard-thibodeaus-van-decades-later

August 26-27/18

You will never guess who.
Who was at Gary's funeral.
Who said what.
Tick tock, tick tock...
The real good ol boys may just rock your clock...\
August 26-27/18

kicking the beehive!
"I remember her saying she was bringing information back to someone," Carter said. "It was a big deal that she was doing this. Carter remembered that conversation Easter morning 1994, the day Allen, 18, disappeared from her job at the D&W Convenience store in New Haven. Easter morning Heidi had a report ready and considered it a BIG DEAL, now who was getting this report that Easter morning, now did anyone other than Carter, Heidi and one Sheriffs department officer know this meeting was taking place, doubtful, could it be just luck that the abductor intervened just before this information could be given that morning. This would be the same officer at the investigation STEERING wheel as he told his boss Heidi's great fear of a local coke head and that the information she had would surly put this mainline drug dealer away. THE VERY FIRST COAT OF BLUE PAINT, applied by this Sheriff himself. Step one: implicate someone else in the crime, 2: Establish a motive, 3: Get behind the wheel and STEER!. And real nice job giving the van back the day of Gary's funeral, best not to kick this beehive ass holes! there still buzzing around your dumb asses!
August 26-27/18

Someone wanted to hide a piece of our puzzle WHY!
Was she actively working as a confidential informant for the Oswego County Sheriff's Office before she was abducted and presumably killed?
The official word from the police: No. Deputies only signed her up but never used her, they said.
A judge initially said it was undisputed -- Allen was an informant. Four months later, he reversed himself without explanation and agreed with the sheriff's office - she was no informant.
But at least four people have offered proof to the contrary Syracuse. com. Wow even a Judge said it was undisputed! "she was" then without explanation he changed his story, why is everyone lying when it comes to weather she was or not an informant? They testified under oath, and lied, the D.A. lied under oath and even a judge, WHY? and then all the time spent as to weather Mr. Walsh got the informant card as part of the evidence the Sheriffs sent, The Sheriffs had a fool proof method to make sure all documents were sent, A GREEN MARKING PEN WAS USED that insured all material was sent, they marked the file with a green check mark if it got sent, no index sent, no information sheet describing what was sent, wow this was a high tech dept then, and Gary's lawyer kept his files in his attic, we've come along way since 94. Why is the connection between Heidi Allen worth so much right in your face lying, because the information could solve this crime! there must be a connection if so many would lie about something this simple, she was or she was not, yes we know now, but why were they hiding this!.
August 25/18

Suppressed, Tampered with, withheld, failed to disclose and just disappeared! WHY?
Why hide evidence? count how many times.
Evidence Concerning the Non-
Disclosure of Heidi Allen’s Confidential Informant.
File and the Loss of the File by the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.
........11
A.
Failure to Disclose Brady Material Concerning Heidi Allen’s CI File.
...12
1.
The Creation of Allen’s CI File by the Oswego County Sheriff’sDepartment.
...................................................................................12
2.
Attorney Fahey Specifically Requests the Oswego County District
Attorney to Disclose Allen’s CI File on December 8, 1994.
........13
3.
Attorney Fahey’s Request for the CI File was Frustrated by the
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department and the Oswego County District Attorney’s Office.
............................................................14
4.
The Location of Allen’s CI File Prior to Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
.........................................................................15
B.
Failure To Disclose Brady Material Concerning Deputy Van Patten’s Loss of

Allen’s CI File in the Parking Lot of the D&
W Convenience Store Prior to Her Abduction.
.....................................................................................16
1.
Deputy Van Patten Drops Allen’s CI File in the Parking Lot of the D&W Convenience Store.
............................................................16
2.
Deputy Montgomery Retrieves Allen’s CI File from Kristine Duell at the D&W Convenience Store.
.........................................17
ii
3.
Kristine Duell’s File is Tampered with in a Restricted Area of the Sheriff’s Department.
.....................................................................17
4.
The December 9, 1994 Internal Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten, Montgomery,

and Anderson Regarding the Loss and
Recovery of Allen’s CI File.
.........................................................18
5.
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department Investigator Whipple’s Maintenance of the Allen Investigative File.
................................20
6.
Chief Assistant District Attorney Dodd’s Document Procedure.
.22
7.
The People’s Concealment of Allen’s CI Stat us during Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
.........................................................................24
8.
Dodd’s Concealment of Allen’s CI File after Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
..............................................................................................25
9.
Dodd’s December 14, 1994 Claim of Disclosure of the Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten,

Montgomery and Anderson to Attorneys Fahey and Walsh.
..........................................................................26
10.
Neither the December 9, 1994 Memoranda nor Allen’s CI File Were Disclosed to Fahey on March 21, 1995.
..............................31
11.
Dodd’s May 17, 1995 Claim of Disclosing the Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File.
.......................................................................32
12.
Dodd’s June 5, 1995 Second Claim of Disclosing the Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File.
...........................................................33
II.
Evidence Developed during the April 7, 2015 Recess of How Allen Became a

Confidential Informant for the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.
..............34
III.
Failure to Disclose BradyMaterial Concerning Darlene Upcraft’s Sighting of a White Rusty Van

Parked in Front of the D&W the Morning of Heidi Allen’s Abduction.
.............................................................................................................36
LEGAL BACKGROUND
.................................................................................................37
DISCUSSION
....................................................................................................................39
I.
The Prosecution Actively Suppressed Material Evidence Concerning Heidi Allen’s Status as a

Confidential Informant and the Fact that Her Status Was Compromised by the Oswego County

Sheriff’s Department Prior to Her Abduction.
.............................................................................................................39
iii
A.
Gary Thibodeau’s Trial Record Proves the CI Evidence Was Suppressed.
................................................................................................................................40
B.
The People Have Failed to Establish the Disclosure of the CI Evidence.
43
1.
The Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File Were Never Turned Over to Fahey.
............................................................................................43
2.
The December 9 , 1994 Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten, Montgomery,

and Anderson Were Never Turned
Over to Fahey.
...................................................................47
II.
There is a Reasonable Possibility that Had the Evidence Been Disclosed to the Defense the

Result of the Proceeding Would Have Been Different.
...................52
A.
Trial Testimony of Robert Baldasaro.
......................................................52
B.
Trial Testimony of James McDonald.
......................................................53
C.
Dodd’s Closing Statement to the Jury
.......................................................54
POINT TWO
......................................................................................................................59
THE INTRODUCTION OF NEWLY DISCOVERED EVIDENCE AT A NEW TRIAL WOULD LIKELY RESULT

IN A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. FACTUAL BACKGROUND
............................................................................................59
I.
Newly Discovered Evidence of Alternative Suspects Responsible for Allen’s Disappearance.
......................................................................................................59
A.
Direct Observations of Alternative Suspects Responsible for Allen’s Disappearance.
..........................................................................................59
1.
William Pierce
...............................................................................59
2.
Jennifer Wescott ..........................................................................62
a.
Priest and Wescott Communications
.................................62
b.
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department Recorded Interview of Wescott
..........................................................................64
c.
Text Messages between Murtaugh and Wescott Disappear after the Sheriff’s Department

Takes Custody ofWescott’s Cell Phone
.........................................................66
iv
d.
Oswego County District Attorney Conceals Wescott’s Admissions.
.......................................................................68
e.
Additional Police Interviews of Wescott
...........................68
f.
Wescott’s Post-Conviction Hearing Testimony
.................69
g.
Third-Party Corroboration of Wescott’s Admissions
........70
i.
Carl Robinson Confirms Wescott Lived on Rice Road
.......................................................................70
ii.
Deborah Vecchio Confirms Wescott Lived on Rice Road
.......................................................................70
iii.
Joe S
torto Confirms Wescott Lied to Sheriff’s Investigators.
.........................................................71
iv.
Amanda Braley Confirms Wescott and Breckenridge were Involved in Allen’s abduction.
..................................................................................................72
B.
The Third-Party Admissions Implicating Alternative Suspects.
..............72
1.
Michael Bohrer
..............................................................................72
a.
Tyler Hayes
........................................................................72
b.
Danielle Babcock
...............................................................73
c.
Michael Bohrer
..................................................................73
i.
March 21, 2013 Recorded Police Interview
..........73
ii.
Bohrer’s Post-Conviction Hearing Testimony
.......75
iii.
Bohrer’s Literature, Defense Exhibit 56
................77
2.
James Steen
....................................................................................78
a.
Ronald Clarke
....................................................................78
b.
Joseph Mannino
.................................................................79
c.
Amanda Braley
..................................................................79
d.
Tonya Priest
.......................................................................79
e.
Megan Shaw
.......................................................................79
f.
Jonathan Barkley
................................................................80
g.
James Steen
........................................................................80
3.
Roger Breckenridge
.......................................................................82
a.
Jessica Howard
...................................................................82
b.
Chris Combs
.......................................................................82
c.
Brittany Johnson
................................................................82
d.
Amanda Braley
..................................................................83
e.
Roger Breckenridge
...........................................................83
v
C.
The Additional Corroborative Evidence.
..................................................83
1.
Suspects Were Involved in drug activity in 1994
..........................83
2.
Cadaver Canine
.............................................................................84
LEGAL BACKGROUND
.................................................................................................85
DISCUSSION
....................................................................................................................86
I.
The Evidence Was Discovered Since Trial and Could Not Have Been Uncovered Prior to Trial.
.........................................................................................................86
A.
The New Evidence is Material, Non-cumulative, and Not Merely Impeaching or

Contradictory to Former Evidence.
..................................87
B.
Considered Individually and Together, the Introduction of the Newly Discovered Evidence

Would Change the Result of a New Trial.
............88
1.
William Pierce’s Testimony Firmly Establishes Thibodeau’s Innocence.
.....................................................................................88
2.
Jennifer Wescott’s Unguarded Admissions Made during a Secretly Recorded and Police
-Monitored Phone Call with Tonya Priest Exonerate Gary Thibodeau.
..........................................................88
3.
The Admissions of Steen, Breckenridge, and Bohrer are Admissible and Establish Each Declarant’s Guilt.
.......................90
4.
The Newly Discovered Evidence Proves Thibodeau is Actually Innocent.
......................................................................................102
August 25/18

Dirt Bags
Pizza Fire, hear that a lot. These dirt bags have done so much to people that normal people live in fear. Screw that. Stand up, start fighting back. Anyone ever ask themselves if a law suit from Thibodeaus wasn't the issue it was their fear of what else was found, that scared the Sheriffs. Well Sheriffs, you pissed a ton of folks off. They are publically exposing the good ol boys club for what they are. Lying, kidnapping, airport coke dealing, pos, with no morals. Sometimes Sheriff's the truth hits home. That's exactly what you are and what you did. Then there's the ones watching it all go down, who sit back and do nothing. Which ones worse? Ruggio, Martin, Petrowski, Moody (Beth Murtaghs lover) VanPatten, Curtis, oh and don't forget the insane DA involved from Dodd, Todd, to Dan Barneys Buddy the coke head DA, Mr. Hollywood who is facing a DWI as he runs his own practice, Moody, Oakes. You name it they are all the same. Nothing but lying pos, that work together to protect each other. Tick tock, you are running out of time. Every second that passes is one second closer to you being brought to your knees. Pay back sucks and Karma has no concience.
August 25/18

Hello MCFLY
Guess who got their van back if Heidis case was still open MC Fly Buske explain to the public why the Sheriffs released Richard Thibodeaus van. Because Buske you are a fool to believe a damn thing that ever came out of their mouths. You do not release evidence with an open investigation. Greg are you getting nervous? Who's on your ass? We can only pray you go down with them.
August 25/18

Heidi Allen
When a local yokel,rube,hayseed,hick,bumpkin,chawbacon prosecutor obtains a 1st degree murder verdict with NO body, NO evidence and NO motive it's considered quite a feather in his cap. It's a career making conviction and I believe that was the DA's intention from the beginning. It was also the plot of an episode of Law and Order except on that show the guilty are punished (it's a fantasy themed drama) Where is the proof that Heidi Allen is actually dead? It's nothing more than a logical assumption making it possible not probable. I believe that eventually all of the DA's involved will have their cases reviewed by the State whether they ended in convictions or not. After all the State will want to know who was let off as well as who was framed.
August 24/18

RE: The death of commn sense
Their were 5 people there, The red one!!! who just happened to be in the area.
August 24/18

RE: MC FLY
The key word is presented, we have only items you call evidence that are presented, by who, Sheriffs and the D.A. even witness testimony must pass through their hands and be written by them, the ones we no longer trust, just like yesterdays submission, they would not change a witnesses statement to better reflect the facts, so they even add or take from others testimony. We are still looking for the true facts, the ones we will never get from our good ole boys, There is a reason these men STEERED the investigation toward Gary, now these guys are much older and listening out the door to see how close the hounds are. will they die before they get caught, that's their best bet, letting time pass, but the people refuse to let this go, never has a case held this much interest for this long, why because this really stinks and the Government will not help, they only came, had a look and helped with the cover up! something was about to come out, but they cleared it all up, but we still were not happy and they do know it. E-mail CNY Central and ask Matt to do a story on the site that would not let go, solving this case is all within the submission here, go way back, it's here. Uncle Todd didn't hide, he's hidden and watched, lose lips sink ships, he is in dry dock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Write or call Matt.
August 23/18

Fun with colors
A court had three suspects, green, blue and yellow, all the facts were given and they were tried, one was later found guilty. It was the red that was guilty, how, they only presented to the jury, green, blue and yellow, that's right the one that was not presented WAS GUILTY so if you think TECHNICALLY that we have all the FACTS,YOU ARE WRONG!!!
August 23/18

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Make no mistake about it, the three suspects WERE NOT COVERING UP THEIR DRUG BUSINESS.

Think: MB moved to Mexico with his brother after his wife left him because of abuse.

Two years later Heidi Allen is kidnapped.

Moe said in the Heidi Allen doc. on Dateline the we had a lot of people to look at. Maybe, but they did not pursue MB, Steen or Roger very hard. And in fact one deputy said.."we asked them if the did it,and they said no". Are you serious? Of course they are going to say no.

This goes very deep and VanPatten saying about future bust with a female CI that never happened speaks volumes. As a matter of fact, does anyone remember any major busts back then? I wonder why.

Look at the time lines again at the D&W. It puts 4 people there around 7:41 with Stinson who said he was there before and after..as he flagged down a cop....BUT DID NOT SEE ANYTHING!!!!!

Bivens said he left Oswego at 7:30 but didn't get to the D&W until 8-8:30???? Must be a slow driver.

face it...we all know what the truth is. Too bad someone didn't tape the airport activity at 4am.

***** remember you cannot lie to the FBI inor out of court it is a felony.
We also read about a retired cop that said it was being sold out of the Oswego Cop Station.

This is what I was hoping would happen...it's perfect.

and I ask Judge King...if someone tells me the killed someone but I didn't see it, you confirm it is hearsay but it's used all the time in courts as testimony. COps rely on people talking to crack cases. Let me see you try that with the FBI if this inv. happens.

PS: hope they investigate you. AHHH maybe they won't stop as long as hey are here. Please give info on the qt to the FBI, Lisa or the DOJ.

IT IS TIME FOR This CASE TO TURN AROUND AND GET THE REAL CRIMINALS AND WE ALL KOW WHO THEY ARE.
August 23/18

re: Dick M
I sure hope the person Dick told that didn’t believe him for one second.
Here’s the proof that he lied to you:
Looking at the police file photos of Gary’s property from the 2 searches- one on or about June 23, 1994 and the second on or about July 23, 1994-one can clearly see there was a blue van, trailer and Cadillac on his property.

This is what Roger and Murtaugh testified to at the Hearing:

“Breckenridge admitted that a month or two after Allen's kidnapping, he and Richard Murtaugh stole an inoperable van off Gary Thibodeau's property and sold it for scrap. The van had no transmission, Breckenridge said.”

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#HeidiAllen witness Murtaugh: After taking Thibodeau van for scrap, searched van for abduction clues. "We got to thinking..." Nothing found”

And last but not least, from the Court of Appeals- “Murtaugh testified that while defendant was incarcerated in this matter he and Breckenridge removed an inoperable van

from defendant’s property and “scrapped” the vehicle. Breckenridge likewise testified that he and Murtaugh had removed the van from defendant’s property after Allen was kidnapped. Although the men apparently discussed the possibility that this particular van could have been used by the Thibodeaus to abduct Allen, Murtaugh concluded based on his own search of the van that

Allen’s body was “[a]bsolutely not” inside the vehicle.”

So unless Murtaugh lied in the Hearing with his lawyer present, only believe 25% of what he says about the disappearance of Heidi. You may find if you look hard enough, that the date the van was stole was on or about August 21, 1994 at which Gary had already been arrested for the disappearance of Heidi.

August 23/18

Under the first layer of blue paint!
My Dad once said when you tell a lie, you will lie again to cover the first lie. Why would these men go so far to testify that Heidi was not an informant. Why when a young lady is missing would you spend time testifying to a lie?. did this argument over she was or was not help convict Gary? no, so why?. Yea but what about the other suspects like the three guys and a van, I do not think these gentleman would kidnap to hide their drug activity, that would just double their trouble. But threaten them over something they do, will piss them off but blame them for something they didn't do you really piss them off, and they responded as they have.PARISH, N.Y. -- A new witness in the 1994 Heidi Allen kidnapping case says an Oswego County sheriff's deputy disclosed sensitive information about a confidential informant sometime before Allen's abduction.

Deputy Chris Van Patten was at Champ's Corner bar in Hastings when he told Brian Mensch about a young female confidential informant who was working for him in the New Haven area, Mensch told sheriff's investigators last week. Van Patten never identified the informant by name, Mensch said.

"He told me, myself, which I thought was odd.. that they had a girl from New Haven that was a CI that they were using in there and they were getting ready to do a big bust over there," said Mensch, who was a disc jockey at the bar.

"And then -- wham! -- the Heidi Allen thing comes down," Mensch said in the recorded interview with two investigators Jan. 26 at Mensch's home in Parish. More FACTS never presented!!! cleaning coats of blue paint off the wall takes time but the first layer holds some FACTS or Technically interesting things.
August 22/18

Who to hell comes to this site!
Who comes to this site? people who want a voice and to hear others views without having the sugar sprinkled on the shit!, remember when it was submitted that when your doing dirty business you want to have your finger on the pulse of those around you! I'll bet that every persons name found on this site by word of mouth makes them come hear, yea the mayor, city employees, our D.A our Sheriffs both high and low and you bet Uncle Todd, like the morning paper and coffee. Not like the news, this is uncensured read it and believe what you want, many of us find this new not talking to our neighbors next door but maybe seeing their views here. Who else comes here I'm willing to bet even the big scary feds watch this site, the finger on the pulse thing , Some day some of you may look back on this site and remember when we were allowed to communicate this way that so many gave their lives for. We are slowly and ever so quietly losing our old worn out rights, remember we who served all gave some, but some gave all! be thankful for this medium for now. I'm lucky I have a tomb stone destiny with an ease of mind, I've lived my life and I don't mind dying!
August 22/18

barmaid witness
Greg Oaks used this witnesses struck testimony in 1999 for his argument to the Court of Appeals.

"Admission of the testimony of the barmaid concerning defendant's statements to her did not violate the hearsay rule (see, Prince, Richardson on Evidence §§ 8-201, 8-202 [Farrell 11th ed.] ). The evidence nonetheless falls within the exclusionary rule of People v. Molineux, 168 N.Y. 264, 291-294, 61 N.E. 286. Although the evidence tended to establish the identity of defendant and his brother as the kidnappers, as well as their complicity and intent, the slight probative value of the evidence on those issues was outweighed by its prejudicial impact (see, People v. Allweiss, 48 N.Y.2d 40, 47, 421 N.Y.S.2d 341, 396 N.E.2d 735). There is a danger here that the jury viewed the evidence as establishing defendant's criminal bent or character as an abductor of young women (see, People v. Hudy, 73 N.Y.2d 40, 54-55, 538 N.Y.S.2d 197, 535 N.E.2d 250; People v. Crandall, 67 N.Y.2d 111, 500 N.Y.S.2d 635, 491 N.E.2d 1092). We nonetheless conclude that the admission of the evidence, together with the failure of the People to give notice of their intention to use it (see generally, People v. Ventimiglia, 52 N.Y.2d 350, 361-362, 438 N.Y.S.2d 261, 420 N.E.2d 59), is harmless error."

So, as you can clearly see, it was NOT a fact as Greg Oaks, stated that the barmaid saw the Thibodeau brothers together the night before Heidi disappeared!!

August 22/18

Hello McFly!!!!
Buske said in the Pallidium Times Gary Thibodeau dead at 64. "This case isn't closed and asks the public to know there could be more evidence presented at any time." Well, how much more does one person need?? Hello!!! McFly you have been given more information in 5 years than you've had in 2 decades. Who else Mrs. Buske do you think is going to come forward seeing as everyone that has, you've deemed liars. You can't have it both ways. I do not think many more want to help you. They simply want to help Heidi.
August 22/18

Wow, Tonya. No wonder Dodd was more than happy to have Brandt off the case.
There we go again….LE mouthing off about Gary’s case….that his alibi witness was being charged with perjury. And some Judge dare say the Defense was trying the case in public!

Oakes recently-March 2, 2018-

https://www.nycourts.gov/ctapps/courtpass/Public_search.aspx PeoplevThibodeau-res-People-brf

filed a brief to the Court of Appeals where he claims that the testifying inmates did not receive any benefit for their testimony.
                                                                                                                             August 22/18

Another lie exposed.
From Oakes’ briefing for the Court of Appeals-
“Significantly, neither of these men received any benefit for their testimony (i.e
more favorable plea or sentence). There was no quid pro quo in exchange for their
testimony, so there was no incentive for them to falsely implicate Appellant. (SA
494, 524-26, 563, 573).”

“While Appellant disparages their testimony and characterizes them as nothing more than jail house
snitches, they received no consideration for their testimony. Further, in evaluating
their reliability, it's worth noting that neither man claimed that Appellant directly
admitted to kidnapping and killing Heidi Allen.”

Then, Greg, where did the handwritten notes of Mr. Baldasaro getting probation instead of jail time as Florida Probation department recommended come from?
                                                                                                                             August 22/18

Mrs. Head,
Do you know what the question was that one of you jurors in Gary Thibodeau’s trial passed to the judge right after going to the Sheriff’s garage to see Richard Thibodeau’s van?
Please share, if you do.
                                                                                                                             August 22/18

I hope you don't give up
Lt Goodsell,Whipple,Wheeler,Scruton,Cromic Yerden and ADA Todd hold the key, one of these men I know and I sure wish I could put this train of thought behind me. Anyone who may have submitted something in the past that you thought might help, please resubmit. This site might solve this puzzle, the more we can eliminate the closer we get. we have lost two innocent people now.

August 19-21/18

DA Joakes
Rumor has it on the street whispers of you are every where. You will now lose this re election. What you just did pissed the citizens who vote for you completely off. You did not do a proper investigation into Gary. The more you talk the more your lies, sink the boat you and the suspects are dogging land mines in. This time many don't think you'll dodge this next land mine. You walk with not God Greg but Satan himself. You sold your soul bud. It's time the good citizens start lining up to get rid of people like you. I pray you sink so deep. You to lose everything you thought you ever had. When that happens Greg thank the very criminals you protected. Wescott hope all your lies was worth the lives you keep ruining. Greg I hope immunity to someone like Wescott was all worth it in the end. You may not be able to do things right. But Wescott FBI can arrest you on hear say. Good ol Greg and Murtagh neglected to inform you of that.

August 19-21/18

Remember what they first said, not an imformant, uncle Todd knew!
Allen, then 16, revealed to Carter that she'd been working as a confidential drug informant, going to parties and reporting back to law enforcement, Carter said in a recent interview.

"I remember her saying she was bringing information back to someone," Carter said. "It was a big deal that she was doing this."

Carter remembered that conversation Easter morning 1994, the day Allen, 18, disappeared from her job at the D&W Convenience store in New Haven.

Carter reported what she knew sometime after the kidnapping to her then-uncle, Undersheriff Reuel Todd, she said. She doesn't remember Todd's response.

Carter's memory of that 1992 conversation with Allen could contradict the recent claims of Todd, now Oswego County's sheriff, and his deputies that Allen never worked as an informant.

Carter said she never saw anything about Allen's work as an informant come out in the news back then as a possible motive for the kidnapping, Carter said.

"She had put herself in a dangerous situation and then she just disappears?" Carter said. "You don't just kidnap a 6-foot tall, strong, athletic woman unless you have a purpose."

Thibodeau's lawyers cited Allen's informant status in their quest to overturn his conviction. They argued last month that sheriff's deputies steered their investigation toward Thibodeau and his brother to cover up their own wrongdoing in using Allen as an informant at such a young age. SYRACUSE.COM
August 19-21/18

How many forgot this!
Nine months after the kidnapping, Todd told The Post-Standard that Allen never worked as an informant for the sheriff's office. She had talked to investigators in 1992 about possibly informing on a friend, but was never used as an informant, Todd and another sheriff's official said then.

At a hearing last year, Todd and his former deputies testified that Allen never worked as an informant. She had only talked to deputies about doing the work, but they never used her, they testified.

Allen told Carter in the summer of 1992 that she had already been informing and reporting back to someone, Carter said.

"I was shocked this didn't come out in the public, because I know I wasn't the only person Heidi told this to," Carter said.

Two other friends of Allen's said recently she never told them about working as an informant. A third friend told Syracuse.com she wouldn't talk about it.

Among the evidence that Allen worked as an informant came from her own family. Her aunt, Martha Sturtz, told sheriff's investigators in a recorded interview last year that Allen started providing information to sheriff's investigators after she got into trouble at the age of 15.

Sheriff's deputies had shown up at a drinking party Allen was attending, Sturtz said. Allen had left a child she was babysitting alone in a car, and was in trouble with the police, Sturtz said.

Sturtz' husband, Russell Sturtz, contacted the sheriff's office about having Allen provide information to them in exchange for Allen facing only a person-in-need-of-supervision petition in family court instead of more serious charges, Martha Sturtz told investigators. SYRACSE.COM
August 19-21/18

GREG OAKES the COWARD of OSWEGO COUNTY
I heard over the weekend that you are worried about your unpopularity with the public. It’s true Greg, we all hate you. Why you ask? Because instead of working for the people, you thought your political aspirations were more important. You let Gary the Innocent Thibodeau, die in prison, trying to protect some political goons from prosecution. You have no evidence that shows/proves that Gary was guilty! Many of us have read and understood every single filing from both sides. Nothing is there to prove any guilt. Donald Dodd, had nothing! Dodd is a criminal, who lied, cheated, and pushed this crime on both brothers. Then we have Reuel Todd, the Sheriff of Oswego County. Todd, knows dam well others abducted Heidi, and Moe, don’t even start blaming Nellis, he’s dead! By the way, I am sick and tired of hearing Moe, is constantly being sighted at casinos. Todd is to be at work, not out gambling. I am serious, either get back to work, or resign Todd! Let’s not forget Reuel’s brother Donald, former ADA, now Judge. He prosecuted Sharon, even though the sheriff’s department knew that Gary’s caddy was in the driveway that night, due to the fact that Officer Fred Ling, wrote the plate number down, while Gary and Sharon slept. Greg, you have committed the worst crime against the public, defending a lie! Also quit prancing Lisa Buske around, Gary died, her mouth was not needed. Gary’s death has nothing to do with the Allen family. I’ve heard you didn’t want to lose political favor, well you lost the public! Even the man who thought he owned the sand can’t save your job. The other thing I heard over the weekend is that a certain well known attorney is starting to plan his campaign to run against you. He’s not a favorite, but I’ve heard others say, I will vote for him, because I will never vote for Oakes, ever again! Greg, this cannot be fixed, you and your fellow criminals are toast in this county. Don’t forget your former and some present officers of the OCSD, are not looked upon as anything worth the dirt under our feet. OSWEGO COUNTY MURDERED GARY the INNOCENT THIBODEAU, and we will never forget this travesty of justice!
August 19-21/18

what if

its curious that ten years after the fact that heidi's bracket show up in her sister mailbox after 10 years was that a sign that she might have gone into a witness protection program or was there a sick another motive

August 18/18

What if

What if Gary is innocent because there was no proof he was involved in Heidi disappearance and law enforcement had tunnel vision because they wanted to ‘get’ someone to placate Heidi’s family and the community, and for personal gain

And

What if Pietroski dropped the ball on a new investigation by not asking Bohrer the right questions or pushing for clearer answers?

What if Mike Bohrer is a psychopath capable of harming a young woman and the Courts accepted his denial and drama but he really knows what happened?

What if the jurors carefully considered the 'expert' witness in the auto field who couldn't ID or describe the vehicle he saw without repeated prodding by law enforcement and who said, "I don't want to send an innocent man away.", when put to task about falsification on insurance forms for personal gain and changing his time of going by the D&W on the morning of April 3, 1994.

What if people start telling the complete truth and nothing but the truth?

August 18/18

To My Friends in Granby:

I have alway been interested in Granby and I have been involved with the political process in Granby since 1989. I have collected petitions for everyone and I go by the rules and laws. You have to be a resident and a voter to sign a petition.

The reason I am writing this is I am dumbfounded at what I have come across and I want all of Granby to know. Cheryl Homes is running for town council. A person approached me and told me she was passing her petition around at a firemens’ doings. In order for me to get copies of her petition to challenge the names, you have to do it with three days after she turns them in. I was four days, so I was late, so I failed to challenge. Her copies are — surprise— what games do the Holmes’ think they can get away with? All games.

On her sheet she signed at the bottom were people from Cicero, Constantia, Camden, Phoenix, Duer Street in Oswego, Manhattan Avenue…: 23 signatures, only 13 are legal.

The next five pages are collected by Leslie Holmes, chairman of the Republican Party in Granby. He collected from Richland, Division Street in Fulton and 2430 route 176 in Volney.

The next four pages are the same signatures as on the first page. Repeats. What kind of game is this? Do these people who signed know it is not legal to sign more than once? How did he do it?

Take notice: Even Peter Holmes and Mattia Holmes signed five times.

Do these people expect to get away with this dishonesty? Mr. Homes is chairman; Mrs. Holmes is a member and so is Peter Holmes, a member of the Republican Party.

If the Board of Elections accepts this, something is wrong with our system.

Rose Anthony

Town of Granby N.Y.

315-592-5448

August 18/18

What If
http://www.wrvo.org/post/thibodeaus-death-offers-no-closure-either-side listen. Lisa Peeblea started crying. This hurt they've caused has to have a point of serenity for everyone. No Heidi isn't the only victim as her sister insists. Lisa Buske said, "WHAT IF," Gary took the where abouts of Heidi to his grave. Anyone ever ask her, WHAT IF, she is wrong?
August 17/18

re:Facts my ass
Most would find the thought of an officer involved not very likely, however one
that knows the status of the Sheriffs Dept at that time, an environment of tough
guy weight lifters, yea steroids too! the department had no supervision at that
time most alcoholic officers were just retiring and were no example to the new
officers, I myself have set in the front seat of a patrol car on a beer run when
we tore the front end rig