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Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Reply to: The van

Why would a black and white van that had no evidence and was not seen at the store that morning bother you?

I would think the fact that 3 witnesses saying it was BLUE and then changing their mind to say it was Richard's van should bother you.

Did you ever ask why they changed their minds?

One guy told the OCSD he saw a blue van driving fast and made a U-TURN and they wouldn't even listen to him.

I REPEAT, WOULDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO HIM!!!

A kidnapping and they ignored him...why?

Because it was a cover up for who really did it. If you haven't figured it out that there were some important people from OC involved in drugs and killing Heidi and setting up Gary to get away with this crime, ask yourself why Mike B. got a fax from the DA's DWI file. And after that Bivens changed his mind about the van.

REMEMBER JENN WESCOTT.." AFTER 20 YEARS I STILL HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THERE WERE 2 VANS."

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? and I don't believe Rich M. at all. Why would his wife write a letter to the OCSD/DA about what she knew?

Put it all together, evidence ignored, JW spilling her guts and they let it go, no one saw GT there and Bivens said the description didn't fit the brothers. Neither of them were husky or tall.

Hidden evidence, lying cop on the Grand Jury, Judge King with a closed mind as he tried to try a case.

Oakes lying about GT going to MA when he was seen in Oswego and 2 deputies testified that they watched GT's house and the caddy never left. And if it did, WHY DIDN'T THEY FOLLOW IT????

June 29/19

 



Sal
Re: Sal: not sure how much to say so this post goes up. Sal is as dirty as you can get. He receives payment in kind for fees...I can bring a witness too...btw a piece of the puzzle OPD Officer TM was in business with Acid Dealer Ronal Eliason (Onondaga Hall LSD bust)

June 29/19

 


RE: Kind words (?)
The only cowards around there are the ones who have been named as being involved with Heidi’s disappearance and try to shift attention from themselves by making jokes, false allegations, and fabrication.
Pretty clever for your “friends” to be part of the circus that went on during Gary’s hearing. “Someone keyed my sister’s truck.” “Someone took a picture of me.” Galley member handing the prosecution a folder…..sleezy….. Birds of a feather, Sal.
Don’t care about who is writing negative comments about you?....Sure, that’s why you posted twice with one being a partial resume? And you’re GUESSING about who said what about you. Like I said, stop believing the Murtaugh’s. There are more than one, two or three people who are disgusted by your connection to them. By the way, not impressed by your resume and you fit right in with most of your clientele. Notice I didn’t say ALL.
Now about me….Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me. Happy Birth Day Dear……. For my birthday, I want….world PEACE!

June 29/19

 


Sal
Sal, the guilty flee, when no man pursues.
Me thinks, thou dost protest too much

June 29/19

 


Mr Wonderful Lawyer
Wow, what a wonderful pat on the back you gave yourself,The one who walks boldly into Court guiding his client to the bench were you bend him or her over to receive their screwing, while you gently and ethically pat their back and collect your win or lose profits. I'm sure you will just keep doing your job honestly and ever so ethically. Your part of a blood sucking system and a wonderful usher!
 

June 29/19

 


Re.Heidi Allen case.
Though the years I've had many people tell me they knew this and they knew that and gary and Richard didn't do it. And I always asked well if you knew this why didn't you go to a local law enforcement agency and report this information. The answer I always got was well I didn't want to get involved. Bullshit you didn't go because you know it's all bullshit. They got the two that did it. Gary went to prison right where he belonged. Richard should have but got off somehow.
 

June 29/19

 


Your kind words about me
Lots of negative statements about me on the LION. Doesn’t bother me at all. You either like me or you don’t. Richard T didn’t remove me from his case….Judge John Elliot did because he felt I was handling too much by defending 2 murder cases at once. He removed me and assigned his friend, Bill Walsh out of Syracuse. So get it right.

I think and I know I do a pretty good job in my law practice. Practicing 34 years, and I’m still married to the same woman. I haven’t been fired from a job because of alcohol or drugs. As you know, many lawyers who you all claim are just the best can’t make that claim. Stability….honesty, integrity, commitment. You can call me on my cell phone 24/7 even on weekends. And hey, I live in Volney, not in fancy Manlius.

I’m not sure what I’m going to run for in the next few years. But, it will be something. I want to know why people shudder and shiver when they see me on the other side of a case. You should have hired me. I don’t feel sorry for you when you walk in with a lawyer from Syracuse. I’m going to do my job. Professionally and ethically.

I think I’m pretty good at what I do. Alan Jones? I protected the record for appeal. That’s why I objected so much. We were never going to win the trial. I knew the Appeal was the key….and look…the Appeals Court agreed with me and reduced his charge to Manslaughter 2d, 15 years. He never killed anyone anyway. I still don’t believe it. He was railroaded just like they did to Gary T. No evidence.

Sleazy?? Low IQ?? LOL. A month ago I did a non jury trial in County Court. A sex case. The Judge was going to give my client 20 years. The District Attorney assistant put on his case and I simply cross examined ever so softly. At the end of the People’s case, the judge dismissed all of the charges of the Indictment to the shock and dismay of the District Attorney. My client walked out a free man.

Sleazy?????? I guess if that’s what you want to call it….fine…….it’s fine by me.


Salvatore F. Lanza Esq.

June 29/19

 



Salvatore Lanza
Hey folks….read the posts about me by an anonymous coward. I know who wrote it….I don’t care.

I consider myself to be…presently…the best criminal defense lawyer in Central New York. That’s my opinion. Some examples…Alan Jones…reversed conviction by the Appellate Division. Chris Chadick…reversed by the Appellate Division and sent back to trial court…About 1 month ago I did a non jury trial in county court. The judge was going to give my client 20 years on sex charges. I tried the case…and the county court judge dismissed the entire Indictment. My client walked out of court a free man.

Remember, I know which cases we won’t win at trial in front of a jury. You have to protect the record for appeal to the Appellate Division.

Joe Pagano Esq….one of the finest trial attorneys I am proud to know and practice with. We we’re co-counsel on the Tetro/Bunnell case. It’s up on appeal. I think the convictions will be reversed.

If you need me….give me a call.

Salvatore F. Lanza Esq

June 29/19



Wescott
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2015/02/could_jennifer_wescott_

plead_the_fifth_at_the_heidi_allen_kidnapping_hearing.html


June 26/19

 


“Some people try to help and others try to help themselves”

Rightfully so that the legal presumption of pleading the 5th is that the truth “incriminates”. So why not, Greg, give Jennifer immunity in hopes THE LIAR just may tell the truth. How can she tell the truth when she has a Murtaugh clan member hand signaling to her from the gallery?

Bivens also tried to plead the 5th during Gary’s trial but the judge told him to answer the defense questions about lying on his insurance forms about a car accident in October 1993. What did he say during defense questioning about why he backed up his timeline of driving by the D&W? “I don’t want to send an innocent man away.” TT page has been posted here MANY times.

June 26/19




Dumb ass sheriff = Rob Ramsey = Scriba Town Supervisor
Let's face it. The doltish of the bunch is the little ba--ard man child Rob Ramsey. Why? He's literally ignorant as F-CK. Convinced it is in his DNA. Let's give the little dude some credit because he does appear to at least try most of the time. But dude. Trying isn't doing. You do not belong in this position. You get sh-t backward's and you misspell over half of your words in a basic sentence. Let alone, you have a difficult time trying to carry on an intelligent conversation. Let us be clear that this isn't a roast on you. Lord have mercy if it does not turn out the way you want it to, you are always blaming others. You are a coward. Get on your wrong side, you are calling us every name in the book. Why you have remained....is beyond.
The majority of us just do not see you as the right supervisor over the town, Rob. You are a complete Jacka-- to everyone that is around you. What the Fu-k happened to you, man? Some go out of their way just to talk shit" truths" about you just because you get under so many peoples skin. You are watercooler talk - and not in a positive way. You are tolerated because of how politics work. You have had two years to actually do something productive and make a difference. You have really NOT done a damn thing except using a brand new shovel to dig up for a ceremony, and have supposable affairs, which we still think is an attempt for attention plot on your part.

Pasco, Lag, Sheldon, and Kenndy -- Weigh in - defend your leader if you genuinely feel that he is the right man for the Town Supervisor position of Scriba... The constituents want to know.

 

June 26/19

 


Reply dumb ass sheriff
I have no idea why that poster brought Ebby in to this. Ebby was not involved. Ebby was always back then attorneys for Herm Jordal. No joke. He was in the in crowd helping the Jordal family get out of trouble. LMAO he was to.
 

June 25/19

 

 

RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff

...and what proof do you have to back up your claim?

There still hasn't been any evidence by anyone to prove GT was at the store.

Are you a cop trying to convince the public of this.

Watch Matt M. doc. and start weeping because there is enough there to start an inv. into this crime they called an investigation.
 

June 23-24/19



Re: Sal and Murtaugh
I’m glad for Richard Thibodeau that he didn’t keep Sal Lanza to represent him through the whole legal process. I remember Sal as a sleezy lawyer back in the 90’s and he appears to STILL be a sleezy lawyer. Knock on wood I didn’t need services of a criminal lawyer then or now. The alcohol must be affecting his brain if he doesn’t remember his short representation of Richard Thibodeau. Fact is, the news quotes him as saying there was no photo line-up of the Thibodeau’s before they were arrested. This is corroborated by a letter Dodd sent to the court and Defense detailing who, when and what photos were shown to people for ID purposes.

Sorry, not sorry, Sal would not be a good replacement for Greg. Isn’t there anyone A LOT better than him. Mike McAndrew perhaps? Someone with integrity.

June 23-24/19




Everything
I hold peices of the puzzle.....Troy Martin & Ronal Eliason & Bateman Sr. 1990 something, NY Pie Fire, woods, Allan, Oswego Police, cocaine, murder, rape...

June 23-24/19

 


Wescott

"Accident or suicide it'll get their job done." Wescott is in harm's way. She knows too much. Ten or twenty years pass, her and Priest will end up missing or dead. If either takes place Gregory Oakes should be held fully responsible. When things die down something unusual will end their lives. Wescott couldn't hold a candle stick to Priest, her integrity is more superior than even the OCSD. Priest HAS proven herself. Wescott's proved one thing, how TO LIE TO AVOID PRISON. Wescott may be safer in prison and Priest should be in protective custody. Because she is not it shows you how little your life matters to the DA or the Sheriff's. Priest took them all on and has had more courage than our entire county. Oswego needs a DA, TOO BAD PRIEST didn't come along.

June 23-24/19

 


Hilton
If Hilton did the right thing it would be a tremendous change for Oswego County. Question is will he?

June 23-24/19

 


Insanity at its finest
https://www.lolwot.com/10-of-the-creepiest-souvenirs-serial-killers-have-kept-from-their-victims/3/

To the poster that keeps repeating his post about Richard Thibodeau's van and his desire to keep something that rightfully belonged to himself. Here's a piece you may want to read. All murderers, keep something that BELONGED to the VICTIM, heres a list of the most notorious murderers and their prizes they kept. Including saliva, under wear, news paper clippings, clip of their hair, a watch, their clothing. It would mean something if the van belonged to Heidi. You are either involved in this, acquainted to someone who is or insane. I do not believe the FBI or anyone would even support your idea. The van never belonged to Heidi and not a drop of DNA was ever found inside. Not a hair, clothing fiber, finger nail, blood, saliva, nothing. So what's in it that links to Allen? Nothing !!! I never knew it was criminal to want what rightfully belongs to you returned. You conveniently over looked the box of news paper clippings, documents, faxes and a book labeled Heidi Triangle's written by Bohrer and taken from Micheal Bohrer's residence. It's a fact those pieces collected from Bohrer's camper hold accountability to his guilt than Mr. Thibodeau seeking to collect his own belongings.


June 23-24/19


Robbery
The very owner of the van involved with Heidi Allen was involved in the robbery at the wire mill. They stole truck loads of copper. Millions worth. If you knew the van owners location in the 90's, Google maps might show a tractor trailer in her driveway back in 94 to 95 time frame. Their nephew did get caught after trying to round house kick the security guard and did time in prison for it. The rest walked away Scott free. Two men to a truck. 3 trucks missing along with their trailers. That were filled with rolls of wiring. Where is it you dump off millions in copper wire? Murtagh may know the answer to that. How is it capturing one they could never connect the 6 other wire mill robbers? It's about not just drugs but lots and lots of money.

June 23-24/19

 



Robbery the one who was caught
Here ya go. Start connecting the connections.

The very owner of the van involved with Heidi Allen was involved in the robbery at the wire mill. They stole truck loads of copper. Millions worth. If you knew the van owners location in the 90's, Google maps might show a tractor trailer in her driveway back in 94 to 95 time frame. Their nephew did get caught after trying to round house kick the security guard and did time in prison for it. The rest walked away Scott free. Two men to a truck. 3 trucks missing along with their trailers. That were filled with rolls of wiring. Where is it you dump off millions in copper wire? Murtagh may know the answer to that. How is it capturing one they could never connect the 6 other wire mill robbers? It's about not just drugs but lots and lots of money.
 



June 23-24/19

 

 


Reply to reply to reply to reply..Dumb Ass Sheriffs
The post on June 12, 2019 Are you ph***** serious????

No one saw GT there

RT would not have called the cops if he did it

Ebby wasn't involved

Did you follow this case from 2014?

Did you watch Matt's doc?

Did both DAs hide or late giving evidence.

Matt's doc is the most powerful yet and this proves the bros. were innocent. Of course there was even more but the OCSD ignored all of it.
A child could have seen what was going on...speaking of child...did this kid just bring them down?

Dodd is a liar, corrupt sob that broke his oath.

Anyone with the IQ of 16 knows this was all a cover up.

Watch and see if the FBI or the DOJ jumps in.

June 23-24/19


RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff
The post on June 12, 2019 Are you ph***** serious????

No one saw GT there

RT would not have called the cops if he did it

Ebby wasn't involved

Did you follow this case from 2014?

Did you watch Matt's doc?

Did both DAs hide or late giving evidence.

Matt's doc is the most powerful yet and this proves the bros. were innocent. Of course there was even more but the OCSD ignored all of it.
A child could have seen what was going on...speaking of child...did this kid just bring them down?

Dodd is a liar, corrupt sob that broke his oath.

Anyone with the IQ of 16 knows this was all a cover up.

Watch and see if the FBI or the DOJ jumps in.

 

June 23-24/19



RE: Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff
The post on June 12, 2019. “First I would like to say that I enjoy reading the posts on this site.
Now to get down to business. I think gary and Richard are guilty. Richard is one lucky sob he should've rotted in prison right along side his brother. Some how he got lucky and ebby got him off the hook. Are this other bullshit is just what it is Bullshit. I watch a lot of crime shows and all the murderers and rapist keep trophies from there victims. Why do you think Richard has been whining about getting his van back for years.”

June 22/19

 


Wescott
“The only reason she is alive is the constant publicity around the Heidi Allen case. She knows to much and has already said to much. When all this quiets down she will have a tragic accident of some kind like so many others have had.”

The DA will protect her, or at least she thinks so. Oh, my bad, he’ll only protect her from prosecution for continually lying to law enforcement about others being involved with kidnapping, murdering, disposing of Heidi. Way to go, Greg. Too bad Jenn didn’t have the fortitude and integrity that Tonya has. If Rog is an insignificant person as sounds, why would Jenn protect him? OH, it’s not Rog she’s protecting, she’s afraid of the Murtaugh’s? Speaking of Murtaugh’s…Hilton, have you called upon the FBI yet? What about the AG or is that the DA’s job? Hilton, you are aware that the AG’s true determination of what they were given by the DA’s office and Sheriff’s Department was inconclusive in contradiction to what Greg was spouting publicly? Is there no way to help them reach a conclusion?

I actually pity Jenn. That she was involved with people ‘like that’ and has such a low moral character.

“Live long and prosper”.

June 22/19

 

 


Sal & Murtagh
The other night I watched Sal Lanza team up with Richard Murtagh across Sals Facebook. What got me was the idea Sal couldn't decifer between lies. Murtagh made several false comments. In which I screen shotted the entire thread. Murtagh claimed Gary's mother was selling drugs out of her home and that everyone went there to get these drugs. Dumb comment and Sal fell for it. Gary's mother has never lived in Oswego let alone the state of New York. Then Murtagh tells Lanza he thought Gary was a Federal CI. Lmao!! When is it Murtagh stops his lying? When is it people like Sal find their brains and actually study the case. Lanza then went on to claim Gary knew RB and JS from rumors he heard, not true and both Steen and Bohrer made it clear. Gary, they knew of him as he just moved to N.Y. and Bohrer made it very clear in court by saying to Gary I never liked you which confirmed Steen confessing Gary wasn't liked. Bohrer ( not Mike Bonner as Sal called him) also describes Gary as being not liked while he and Sharon stayed at Becks due to their fire because he was nothing more than a fly on the wall. To drug dealers that's not a good mix. So Lanza expressed he feels Gary must have been involved due to being an aquaintace to RB, JS, which he is not. One could also say the same thing about Sal and his link to the Murtagh family. Must be Sal, if that theory held water, we'd all be in prison because you knew of someone who committed a crime and would be guilty just by knowing of them or knowing them. That is not how the laws work. Smh, what a pathetic theory, and you are an attorney? Then Sal went on to claim Gary must have sold drugs in order to have an income( that stemmed from Murtaghs claim Garys mother sold drugs from her home) Sal was immediatly informed Gary was disabled. Sal cracked a joke about Gary being able to walk in court, FUNNY he then remarks well he wasn't wheel chair bound. Really Sal, what a low life, you don't know Sal that Gary shattered both of his feet falling over 30 feet and was in a wheel chair for years until rehabilitation helped him learn to rewalk. Then for years he was crutch bound until his walking became more natural again. Sal you looked like an idiot making these claims and a fool degrading anyone disabled. Next time Sal make sure what you are told that you fact check before you comment. Not only did you feed in to Murtaghs lies you went with it and sided with a liar, you became the laughing stock over night. Sickening to see an Oswego attorney not only make fun of someone disabled but to watch him feed off the lies Murtagh posted about the drug dealing from Gary's mothers home and how everyone went there to get their drugs. So tell us Sal, were they traveling all the way to Massachusetts to get their drugs? Because that's where she lived and died. Why not Sal tell the public your play in helping Wescott gain immunity? Smh..no one Sal then believed it was easy to point at Steen being in prison. Making yet another b.s. comment seeing as Oakes lied and didn't pull all reports on Steen that came in prior to him ever being incarcerated. Thus Sal you are a direct part of the problems in OZ. If you commented the other night drunk. Here's an idea stay off face book when you are drinking. Heres some more advice if you have zero knowledge of this case, can't decifer between lies and facts. Don't comment at all. If I could link the entire thread here I would. Be thankful it's not linked seeing as it was deleted as I snapped the last photo of the entire pathetic conversation. Murtagh posted to the Thibodeau family he will be seeing them real soon, heres a fact you will not be seeing the Thibodeaus soon because if you do, it'll be fun and games until the cops show up ask your buddy Steen how that worked out for him. That was the second threat Murtagh the first was you'd burn their home to the ground. Sal considers a person such as Murtagh a friend LMAO Sal always does seem to side with the citizens riding in the gray areas of the law. Must be the only friends he can get. Be thankful you two fools I don't link every ounce of that bs convo here. Maybe I will..maybe you both deserve to be publically called out on the lying. Cross your fingers Sal I don't.
 

June 22/19

 

 

 

Reply to reply :dumb ass sheriff

 

Many of the names on the original post you responded to are right from sheriff notes from the original investigation in 1994 and 1995 (or from personal knowledge).  Just look here:  https://www.scribd.com/doc/243843580/Affirmations-in-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Vacate-Judgement

https://www.scribd.com/document/243843840/Exhibits-1-25

, https://www.scribd.com/document/243843960/Exhibits-26-40

, https://www.scribd.com/document/243844092/Exhibits-41-50

, https://www.scribd.com/document/235564005/Thibodeau-Gary-Motion-Filed-7-30-2014-Updated

, http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/

.  Just to post a few resources.  Investigation 101-- rule out people--go back to the beginning if a suspect doesn’t fit the evidence.  Clearly, there WERE others besides Gary who were questioned and investigated.  LE knew of Breckenridge, LE knew of Murtaugh, LE knew of Bohrer.  It’s not new to them.  So don’t let Murtaugh fool you into believing that his name just came up from Jenn Wescott in 2013.

 

The connections make sense and also show that Gary couldn’t/wasn’t responsible for Heidi disappearing.  Unlike the bs theory the ADA presented to the jury that they fell for.  The Law said Sharon didn’t lie about Gary’s alibi and The Law says Richard is innocent.  What other conclusion can be drawn than Gary HAS to be innocent as well.?  And since he didn’t kidnap Heidi, someone else did.  It’s not rocket science.

 

There is so much to read on this case to make connections and that’s why Greg is not getting the backing by the community and beyond.  Not to mention his blatant lies that have been exposed.  Drugs, drugs, drugs.  That’s how most people are connected to this case.

 

And HEY, to another commenter—Watch your mouth!!  Richard was not proven guilty in a court of law.  He is innocent, no matter what you ‘think’ or believe.  With all that was presented at Richard’s trial, he was determined by a jury of his peers to have NOT kidnapped or killed Heidi.  You know what libel means?  I understand though, commenting anonymously so that you won’t be held accountable unless…..nvm.   You’ll have to come up with another theory considering Richard is Innocent and Gary had an alibi.

 

June 21/19

 

Wescott

The only reason she is alive is the constant publicity around the Heidi Allen case. She knows to much and has already said to much. When all this quiets down she will have a tragic accident of some kind like so many others have had.

 

June 21/19

 

 

What does the drug book tell us?

It tells us who the big cheese is, the person who's name never gets mentioned the holder of this book also holds all secret info held under the disguise protecting an informant. This is were all the lying started. Rule one and there's only one, never release information on an informant. You can now lie to the public as well as Judges. The big cheese has all the answers but no one ever mentions his name, the register tape and others got all of the peoples attention, just the way it was planned. If these last three do not come forward soon and  think they are above the law so be it we can see justice without the law!

 

 June 19-20/19

 

 

Mr. Big cheese

I have and never will mention any persons name, but how wonderful it would be if the big cheese sat down with Matt Mulcahy and told how all the rats were placed under his protection and involved him in a cover up. This was once a good man. Lets clear the air we are all to old to carry this shit around any longer!

 

 June 19-20/19

 

 

Motive??

If Richard Murtagh truly believes that Gary Thibodeau was a Federal CI, would it give them motive to pin it on Gary Thibodeau? Look what happened to Heidi. Why would it not happen to Gary? Did Richard Murtagh give a motive to why Gary? Who ever said Gary Thibodeau was a Federal CI working under cover? No one but then again no one ever said Heidi was defiantly without doubt a CI either and some how Micheal Bohrer knew. So how does Murtagh come up with this theory or information regarding Gary Thibodeau? Wouldn't that as well explain why framing Gary Thibodeau did not matter?

 

June 19-20/19

 

 

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense

Does anyone wonder why the biggest case in Oswego Cty. wasn't tried by the DA, but the ADA?

 

Did the DA know something he didn't want to get involved in?

 

Oh Dodd, Matt's documentary just hung you and a lot of others if it's investigated.

 

Yeah you're an honest person. Did you know about all the coke being sold by "important" people in Oswego Cty?

 

Why else would you hide evidence, lie and take a person not even id to court...man is this going to deep.

 

Don't wear green to prison, it clashes with your eyes.

 

June 19-20/19

 

Settlement reached in Oswego landlord sexual harassment lawsuit

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/settlement-reached-in-oswego-landlord-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/

 

June 19-20/19

 

 

Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense...reply to Dumb ass sheriffs

Dumb ass Sheriffs

 

I read your post 3 times. I don't know anyone of these people. Not from Oswego area.

 

But where did you find this info?

 

For 25 yrs. none of these names have been mentioned.

 

Not degrading you but would like to know more.

 

Are you a cop or ex-OCSD deputy?

 

June 19-20/19

 

 

 


Hilton
Hilton may not be willing to do the right thing. It may hurt his career. But doing nothing will hurt it even more. The people voted him in for change. Not to fear what's to come. But to be the driving force behind justice. It seems it may never come to that if he's insecure about the political bridges he will burn. Even though the public will rebuild every last bridge for him. He under estimates the power of the public

June 18/19

 


Re: Ralph's drug book.
Is this Ralph happen to be Scruton? If these names that were given are detailed in an OCSD deputys drug book, what's that tell anyone? I spoke to a person who directed me to Ralph Scruton. Who his name is never mentioned. It's only whispered behind his back. So no I do not know Scruton but I do know Wheeler. He's dirty always has been.
 

June 18/19

 


Ralph's drug book.
I don't know a Ralph or any drug book from this Ralph. But if you find Herms drug book you'll connect them all. I never read any book. I know them all. Every last one. That's the only reason I'm aware of who is who. Who did What. But if it matches that Ralph's drug book what's that tell you?
 


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Is this a judge dressed as a pirate or a pirate dressed as a judge?


 

June 18/19

 

 



Re: Idiot
Sorry to have upset you! When I post here it is not meant for the public so much, I submit to the eight men that hold all the keys to solving Hedis kidnapping, these eight men read this platform more than you and I, I'm speaking directly to three people now! Your submission of who's who reads like GPS for junkies! and matches the drug book names.

June 17/19


Charlie P
whoever cited doing shots with Charlie P in his patrol car has an inside track, it's no lie , and not made up. Sheriff Hilton, you got some in the know old timers who are turning.
 

June 15-16/19

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Timelines questioned, witnesses changing minds on the color of the van, Jenn W. giving a lot of ignored info, Oakes lying about GT going to MA, Dodd caught in a lie by Lisa P., no one seeing Gary, Bivens, Fabin and another man telling the OCSD the van was blue and then for some reason changed their mind to white, the "three" virtually being left alone etc, etc, etc.

BOTTOM LINE: cover up for those selling drugs. You don't cover up for criminals, just for cops and others.

We all know what happened here. It's so obvious it's laughable.

How man were involved?

Retired cop telling that coke was sold out of the Oswego Police Dept. True? Don't know.

But look and think about how this investigation was done and what the OCSD didn't do with new info.

There was so many mistakes made by those involved in a cover up you could cover a table with them.

Todd NOT wanting the FBI's help...but said he won't rest until they find Heidi????

I must repeat..." who do you think you are kidding Oswego? "

I said back in 2014 that maybe they took a van and made it look like Richard's. One person said highly unlikely...but now it seems probable.

Soon someone will step up and save themselves if it hasn't happened already. If you don't think Dood, Todd or others won't turn on you...think again!

June 15-16/19

 


Reply to Ralph's drug book
You are an idiot.
 

June 15-16/19

 



Lies, Lies Lier X's Three
This was written regarding the Heidi Allen Case and was originally published on the Oswego Onion on January 18, 2015

We are all still watching all Greg O.

Lie, Lies, Lier X’s Three

Our sisterhood casts…thrice times three,
Yes there is one, blessed be…
oh we thought you knew, it appears your still the fool.

We wish you best, the best that you can be, even though you have made our hearts heavy.
We are not unkind, but we know the truth, and lies you have told will soon catch up with you.

All in good time, that is on our side, as we wait with our candles that bind, and unwind.
We sit by our fires, stirring our winter pots, we have been casting and bonding a wee bit more.
We know just what your are, there is evidence that you can’t just put in a jar.

The soft fragrance fills the air as you remember, a boy inside, and held a candle with tears in your eyes.
Ah yes we remember you too, now you are the one who battles the good.
We are not broken, think of us as trees that bend, becoming stronger until the end.
As it will be you, that determines your fate, make your choice,
as it will, so will it be, it will be times three.
 

June 15-16/19

 


Re: Hearing
That was Murray Miron at the Hearing, wasn’t it? The man who said ‘who do they think they’re kidding’.?
Murray Miron passed away from pancreatic cancer July ’95.
 

June 15-16/19

 


Trump starting another war this time Iran. We have lost all of our allies. Trump is a fool
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-consistent-criticism-of-iran-pushes-us-to-point-of-potential-conflict/2019/06/15/be997678-8ecb-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.e53ffea7c119

 

June 15-16/19


Dr. Microns interview
believe Dr. Microns interview , or not, the fact is, one it was learned the kid indicated a cop was involved..........the fact checking, and follow up.....STOPPED. Why? Because, many suspected it was too close to the truth, and killed that avenue of inquiry.
Ask yourself, how, and why, would a kid make that up? He described the "policeman with black boots" exactly as a child would. Shot in the foot? Maybe that also happened.
Bottom line...the situation was not fully investigated. Check the records the days it might have happened , given the time line of the kid being at his fathers, who was on duty? From the kids report, sounds like he, or SHE, was in uniform at the time, it strains imagination that he or she, would dress in uniform to do a murder. ....unless they were on duty at the time. Who was on duty at that time frame? Why did VanPatten suddenly resign? What the hell us going on and possibly covered up?

June 14/19

 


re: dumb ass Sheriffs
Wow, all those names, It looks like you have had access to Ralphs little black DRUG BOOK!

June 14/19

 


New names in black Vics
In a recent post those two names bring back such GOOD OLE memories, back doing shots off the dashboard of Charlie P's patrol car, back when you could sit in Hotel and pass joints with our off duty GOOD OLE BOY, maybe under cover work, sometimes you just got to get your hands a little dirty to do your job, These new names hold the key, if not the quilt!!!

June 14/19



RE: Dr. Miron
It is not a fairy tale. What has been posted is from his report. Watch the documentary again, what I say is right there. You must have missed the details of what Dr. Miron did with the boy. That’s OK that you don’t believe. Like I said, watch the documentary again.
 

June 14/19
 

 

Just noticed
I wouldn't doubt it. You have Heidi aunt also online claiming the public only cared about Gary. This family of Allen's forgets the amount of people who came to their aide, the money donated and the time many have spent to help. One thing they can't seem to comprehend is this. Heidi will never be given justice with out exonoration to Gary Thibodeau. Without the exonoration the state of N.Y. considers the case closed due to Gary being found guilty for it. The first step to any healing, truth or justice is to exonerate Gary, then arrest the culprits then and only then can Heidi ever be put first. Steps have to be taken to get to Heidi and justice for her first. This family pushed for Gary to stay incarcerated their push helped steal the life of another. If they wanted real justice they'd have hired an outside PI to account for the ooopsies made by the Sheriffs. Martha quote claims on Mulcahy wall that basically what's done is done. It's not done, Heidi deserves justice. It'll never be done Martha until your neice is given a proper investigation and brought home. Martha claims they did hire the Texan. Yes, but that Texan also told their family he felt Bohrer was involved. Do you listen ever Martha? The very person you hired you didn't listen then. You sure as hell are not listening now. The Allen family God granted this push by the public will put Allen first and will bring justice for the loss of her life. We are trying. Are you?

June 14/19

 


Hilton
Do you hear us now. This is not going away. It's going to get worse. Accountability, integrity. This public has it, when is it you begin to listen? We are all trying its your turn. We voted you in to bring justice. Not silence.

June 14/19

 


why all this now?
Why didn’t Gary’s family do anything to help him w appeals or attorneys or private eyes for the first 20 years?
Whether you think I m lying doesn’t matter to
Me I m happy with myself and our efforts to find Heidi
We got a search specialist here we got national guard here we got the whole community to search we kept all the records for Heidi center we offered reward we attended every public event in case we call on every found body or remains we attend events for missing children
It has always been about Heidi for all 25 years
And for you it’s all been about Gary
Different sides of a tragic story for all involved
The what if’s the should of s could of s can’t change what has already happened
So sad but true. -Martha Sturtz
Reply to her. "You should never be happy with yourself lying about your neice and your efforts in bringing in the Texan he told you then he felt Bohrer committed this crime. You knew all about Bohrer, so did your family. You ask why now.
"THE DEAD CANNOT CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE IT IS A DUTY OF THE LIVING TO DO SO FOR THEM" Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness These are the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence for each of us; EXCEPT IF YOU ARE MURDERED YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY RIGHTS. Someone took them and now THEIR RIGHTS ARE NOT PROTECTED. That's why Martha. To bring justice to and for both Heidi and Gary. To push the constitutional rights both were entitled to that were stripped from them, Illegally. The push from the very public you claim could care less, obviously they are the ones that will secure the right of justice, due process and truth. Be thankful for the public they are the very ones trying to find Heidi Allen."

June 14/19

 


Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og0BPi48DGQ


Read 43:02 about what Dr. Miron ALSO wrote.


June 14/19

 


RE: Miron report
Check at 40:00-40:02 to see what you call a lie.

 

June 14/19


Incompetent
Thanks to the non efforts of OCSD, their attempt not to solve the Heidi Allen case but to attempt to connect the Thibodeaus again in a case in Mass, a family now has closure. This entire time their lame attempts at trying to convince the public they were investigating missing Heidi Allen turned in to closure for another family, OCSD failed in linking the boys once again. So instead of focusing on this case. The idiots dragged another department in to their drama. If they put that much energy and effort in to Heidi's case they would have solved the case 25 years ago. One question Oakes explain how if Richard never went to Mass how is it you would have ever linked him to that crime when you have zero evidence linking him to any crime. Smh, you are a waiste of tax payer money and completely incompetent as a District Attorney. God bless the family who now has truth. Oakes may you rot in hell.

June 14/19

 


Hearing
That was Murray Miron at the Hearing, wasn’t it? The man who said ‘who do they think they’re kidding’.?
 

June 14/19

 


Goodsell
Man! Dean Goodsells name seems to come up a lot in the Heidi case/cover up. Hmmmmm.......Goodsell was an Investigator Lieutenant in OCSD and tight with Scruton, the Lt. at the time. Alan Goodsell was a Sgt., at OCSD. It's claimed the van was hidden in Deans mill. Goodsell made rank fast, and is tight as a fishes asshole with Todd and Scruton. Despite the fact he never took a test to make Lt..
Ask some old time deputies, if you weren't a good old boy, who went along..........you were out. Sheriff Hilton, save yourself, if it goes south, and it will, and you did nothing, it won't look good. Call in the feds.

June 13/19

 


Taped
Quit taping people's phones. Hilton if you want to chat name the time or place. I'll be there. Instead of tapping let's chat face to face.

June 13/19

 


Re: Dr. Miron
I have been qualified as expert witness and have testified in a number of Federal trial matters in this country and Canada in which these psycholinguistic

techniques have been employed and accepted into evidence.

On Wednesday, November 9,1994 at the invitation of the Oswego County Sheriff's Office, accompanied by Deputy William Cromie, I interviewed Debra

J. Moore, her son, Brent Moore, age 3, and members of the staff of the Catholic Charities Counseling Service.

As a result of these interviews, it is my professional opinion that Brent Moore's report of the certain events, pertinent to the disposal of Heidi Allen's

body, which he witnessed are true and accurate accounts of those events.

Specifically, it is my opinion that Brent Moore, witnessed Heidi Allen's body being transported in a van and then saw her body burnt in a garage shed

on the property of the Barlow residence located on Parkhurst Road, in the Town of Scriba.
,
Brent's account of these events, despite his young age, as told to his mother, Debra Moore, and the Catholic Charities Councilor, Camilia Utick,

have the characteristics which both research and experience associate with true and accurate reports.

My examination of the drawings made by Brent and his accounts of their representations, in my judgement, contain images which accurately reflect

the details of the Barlow residence and the location of Heidi Allen's remains.

Brent's behavior following the events he witnessed is entirely consistent with the expected sequelae of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Brent's

mother reports that he has had difficulty in sleeping, has had of somatic complaints, and stressful concerns regarding Heidi Allen.

In the course of my interview with Brent, he evidenced a mature understanding of the distinction between reality and pretense. He presents as an

active, alert, articulate and bright child. This picture is drastically different when the child is in the presence of his father, Richard Mitton. When he

visit his father, Brent does not talk and is quite frightened of him.

It is my considered professional opinion that Brent Moore's accounts of the events he reports have sufficient credibility to warrant further

investigation in pursuit of their ultimate physical confirmation in determining Heidi Allen's remains.

I declare under penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of New York, and that the foregoing i true and correct, and that I am competent to

testify to the same in court.

Executed this 11/09/04
Murray S. Miron

 


I WOULD SAY THAT THE PREVIOUS POSTER, REGARDING MURRAY S. MIRON'S STATEMENTS IS NOTHING BUT A FAIRY TALE. QUIT WITH YOUR LIES, THIS IS THE TRUTH! WHERE DID YOU GET THIS STATEMENT FROM?" Mr. Miron
Have you carefully read the document about the 3 1/2 year old boy?
While the first interview, Mr. Miron found the boy credible, by the second he couldn’t determine what caused the agitation he exhibited after going by the Barlow residence. Key phrase in the second interview was that Mr. Miron asked the boy if Heidi had also been shot in the foot and the boy replied Yes."
I BELIEVE THE STATEMENT I TYPED ABOVE. YOURS REMINDS ME OF THE LIES CERTAIN PEOPLE POSTED ON sYRACUSE . COM

June 13/19



Immunity to a liar.
Let's quote Greg Oakes. "Wescott wouldn't know the truth if it smacked her in the face." So here's a question for you Greg. What gave you the legal right knowing no matter what happened Wescott was going to lie, you admit she's a liar but illegally gave her immunity? Does that make any sense? Giving a citizen you admit lied to you, immunity for what purpose? So she could not be charged with perjury. What side of the law are you really on the gray side of the law?

June 13/19

 


Just noticed
Did you see the name of the Forewoman on Sharon Raposa’s Grand Jury. She related to Lisa Buske? Nah, can’t be.
 

June 13/19

 


High school
Oakes in high school. If the public only knew. He was not liked because he was a habitual liar. His worst enemy was one of Lisa's witnesses. Greg lied so bad in high school he had the reputation of a habitual liar. He had one friend Mark. His worst enemy use to toss his geeky ass in to the lockers. Oakes was a geek in school. Told tall tales. Ask his class mates. Ask his classmates also about his love hate affair with the wrestling team. If you good folks only knew the real Greg Oakes. Why he had 1 friend. LMAO Mark, Greg was your only friend. The majority couldn't stand your lying and labeled you an asshole then. Still think you are an asshole today.

June 13/19


 


re: TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE
Conversation Tracey Breckenridge, had with Roger Breckenridge. Appears to be a recorded statement from Tracey, while speaking with the OCSD!
#1 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: " I said what's going on?"
#2 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "He says, "I guess I got to get that van out of Murtaugh's"
#3 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: "I says, why?" He said "Because it's got evidence in the back."
#4 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE:"I go, "What do you mean [by] evidence?"
#5 TRACEY BRECKENRIDGE: He goes, "There's blood on the backseat."

These quotes are from the Heidi Allen Files broadcast, from Matt Mulcahy . Just those 5 sentences prove Richard and Gary Thibodeau
had nothing to do with the kidnapping of Heidi Allen. They also confirm all that Tonya Priest told DA Greg Oakes! I am so irritated that the Oswego
County Sheriff's Department and the Oswego County District Attorney's Office, didn't listen to the truth tellers, but chose to go with the liars
stories!

June 13/19



Crime shows LMAO
That's about the stupidest comment yet. Trophies first off they keep trophies of their victim like a piece of hair, a watch, so on. Keep watching your crime shows you do need some more education lol. Crime shows lmao. Name one crime show where the object the accused kept was the very vehicle they used to kidnapp someone in. They don't. They burn, bury, sink or destroy them. What a stupid comment. You win idiot of the year award on that one. Ebby LMFAO its Walsh and Fahey. I've never in my life seen such stupidity in a post. Crime show this, your obviously guilty of one thing being a dumb ass. Boy do you have your facts backwards their PI.

June 13/19

 

 


Mr Bigs big black vic!
How frustrating sitting in our local breakfast house looking across at the towns GOOD OLE BOY the prick that has the answer to every question there is about Heidi Allens disappearance, a perfect example of how a N.Y.S becomes a tainted department. This past Sheriff has been so very lucky or skillful that his name is only mentioned in passing. Titus saw Heidi in that big black vic!. And you have not fooled everyone. We will speak soon.

June 12/19

 


Liar Dodd
Dodd lied to get this indictment. Look how it says that “it was a fact” that Sharon and Gary were in MA on April 3, 4, 5, 1994. By golly, how could that be a FACT if two police officers took their plate number at their residence in the evening of April 3 morning of April 4 AND she made transactions at local Oswego Businesses? By golly, that ‘FACT’ was dismissed in A COURT OF LAW. HAHAHAhahaha. Dodd can thank Greg for filing the indictment paperwork for us all to see this lie!!
Fact is, Dodd is a clever liar but there are people smarter that catch it. Do you really believe the words that come out of your mouth, Donnie?



June 12/19

 

 


Re: Bivens
Read the transcript pages that have been posted on this site of Bivens' partial testimony. On the oswegonylion, do a ctrl "F" and type Bivens. That would be the easiest way to find the testimony without looking at the whole site. You could do that with ANY key word.
Bivens changed his time that he drove by the D&W because LE told him what time they thought Heidi disappeared. 8-8:30 did not fit their theory.

June 12/19

 


Stinson replies to Fact check:
You can find my post on connections at 9/19/18. Or my original police statement.
Summary: I had worked with Curtis, and was acquainted with Easter morning customers
Swenszkoswki, Granger, and (learned) at least one more. They all worked at the Nuke Plant.
Since then, (off-the-top-of my-head), I worked with Kris Duell’s brother Jason, I’ve had
excavation done by Heidi's Uncle Russell, Uncle Don was my neighbor, My kid worked at the
store when she grew up.
I’ve crossed paths and maybe said, “Hello” with Brandon Roth (mocdwi), Wayne Mahar
(skywarn class), Hand & Hall (Dogs @ Longbranch park). It’s a small World.
I’ve even met Lisa Pebbles.

June 12/19

 


What If ………………. The shovel
Someone said Steen admitted Heidi was killed with a blow to the head with a shovel. Several people mentioned a shovel in the back of a deputy’s car during the search of Gary’s house and questioned what became of it. Some said it had some kind of tissue on it. Some speculate there was no tissue and had nothing to do with Heidi and that explains why there was no more mention of it.
What if Heidi was killed with a shovel?
What if the shovel in the back of the deputy’s car was that shovel?
What if he didn’t find the shovel at Gary’s but instead brought it there but a reporter saw him with it before he had a chance to drop it somewhere on Gary’s property?

June 12/19

 


Leads for Heidi
What about these leads? Oh, I know, they didn’t involve Gary and the second was probably drunk. Does that sound about right? Correct me if I’m wrong…Tyler testified at the hearing AND he was sober. What about the inmate that talked with the DA? Oh, I know that too. He was just trying to get a deal (go figure). These are just two found quickly from, you guessed it, Greg’s filing for the hearing. Thanks again Greg. Man, did you take the wrong path with your lie about the AG and not getting the FBI involved, or just agreeing to a new trial or (easier) just agreed to exoneration based on newly discovered evidence. “We” wouldn’t have even known about the withholding or ‘hiding’ of documents that way. But, then again, there wouldn’t have been more community chatter that may inspire someone who knows to come forward in whichever manner they choose. Sadly, Gary passed away in the meantime. L

Please Oswego DA’s office and OCSD, please turn your documents over to the public so we can investigate for you. Your job will be to question anyone “we” find particularly intriguing, for legal purposes. Accept my apology in advance, Mr. Hilton, if you are investigating. How about find out what Pietroski did with the text between Jenn Wescott and Dick Murtaugh?

 






June 12/19

 


Couple questions for Matt Mulcahy
Did you read all of Exhibit #46 from Greg’s filing for the hearing?

Did you find out what charge Bivens had that Judge McCarthy recused himself from Gary’s trial because he represented Bivens?

Bivens was connected to the Cowen’s who were Gary’s neighbors and also testified at the trial. Mr. Cowen was the neighbor who didn’t like Gary so he probably felt justified for testifying against Gary even though neither he nor his wife could positively ID Richard’s van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994. Mr. Neville is deceased. Wonder what his sons have to say now about what they remember from their statements and testimony back in 1994.

Mr. Stinson, that register transaction tape is Wrong. There is no way possible Heidi was kidnapped between 7:42 and 7:45. Too bad Matt Mulcahy didn’t find 2 transaction tapes as should have been in evidence.

June 12/19

 


Thank You OPD
Job well done by Oswego Police Department as they hauled 3 more people out of out of 177 East 2nd Street today in cuffs. Looked like rats scurrying off a sinking ship when OPD showed up. Unfortunately they let the big dogs slip away(next time). The suppliers were parked out in the back and somehow eluded the authorities. Hopefully this will calm things down a little but Fred and Tom still need to evict the rest and be more selective in renting. There had to be 35 people in and out today before the cops showed up. Now that's being popular.

June 12/19



First I would like to say that I enjoy reading the posts on this site.
Now to get down to business. I think gary and Richard are guilty. Richard is one lucky sob he should've rotted in prison right along side his brother. Some how he got lucky and ebby got him off the hook. Are this other bullshit is just what it is Bullshit. I watch a lot of crime shows and all the murderers and rapist keep trophies from there victims. Why do you think Richard has been whining about getting his van back for years.

June 12/19

 


General comment
It’s in the police notes from Greg’s filing about Gary’s sister getting a lawyer and declining to talk with LE. That part is not a secret for anyone who read ‘the entire’ filing. The secret was the Dr.’s report. Also secret is that Heidi did drugs with Brett. Also secret (not really) is that Brett in Fact treated Heidi like crap. (What do you expect from an older guy who had been around the block a time or two?) Now we have a first name. Those good citizen investigators will figure out who she was. Can’t express how much a coward and ___ Brett is for not standing up for the love of his life.

 

June 12/19

 


Dumb ass Sheriffs
Let's make this simple and go in the real direction. Kris Duell tells Matt Duell about the CI file. He's connected to Daniel Barney, and spreads the word about Allen. They then hire Allen, how convenient. Daniels connected to Steen, Breckenridge,Vanpatten, Richard Murtagh, Brett Law and Heidi Allen (school records Mexico N.Y. show several in the same class) Steen connected to Bohrer and Herm Jordal, Breckenridge and Wescott, Allen, Law, Barney, vise versa. Breckenridge is a brother in law to Herm Jordal sister. Herm Jordal sister worked for Murtagh and a long with the 3 amigos, Steen, Bohrer, Breckenridge. Jordal sister also was engaged to Clark Hamilton Senior who also junked scrap and bought his coke off Herm Jordal or Michael Bohrer, he was very close to both of them. Clark owned a off white, white rusted van, even Bohrer would drive they used for junking. That van vanished. If you'd like idiot Sheriffs debunk those connections. It's impossible. You can't here's why. Jordal sister is Herms biological sister. Where did Herm live, he lived right down the road from the D&W Store in little Texas. If you'd like I'll give you all their addresses. Jordal sister married Breckenridge brother she knows both Wescott and Breckenridge, the junk yard man Murtagh the 2 other nimrods. She works for Murtagh, has on and off for years along with Jim Brow Sr and she's worked along side the 3 amigos. She lived in Fernwood with Clark Hamilton Senior on north fernwood road. Herm Jordal died at her residence of a heart attack. Herm is also connected to Bohrer, his best friend Bohrer himself tells you he was at home other than Herm Jordals the night before Heidi vanished. Bohrer and Herm were both dealing cocaine. Her son is best friends to Dean Goodsells nephew. That can easily be proven. Why can't you figure that out? Why because DMV reports won't date back to 1994 so you can track the real van. But it explains exactly how Bohrer found out about Heidi being a CI and the dropping of her CI file. As Duells are connected to Daniel Barney who is connected to Richard Murtagh. Who Murtagh is connected to Jordals himself and his sister, who's both connected to Bohrer. The asses stole Clark Hamilton's van to pull it off. You can not possible be that dumb to not figure that out. Records recent ones can prove the connection between the Jordal family and the Goodsell. Here's one last detail Murtaghs location of moving the 2nd van off Valley Road was Herm Jordals sister, her sons house prior to junking it in the fall of 1996. That location came straight out of the junk yard man himself for the world to see online. Prison records and police reports can prove the drug connections, the raids of Herm Jordals house and confirm drug connections with many family members of Herms. The 3 who pulled the van out were Murtagh, Wescott, and Breckenridge then parked it at Dean Goodsells mill he owned for one night before a flat bed red truck picked it up the following morning. In 96 where you saw Roger you saw Wescott. That explain at all why Wescott won't come forward? Those are the facts. If you can't handle them, to bad. All the media shit, everything you read or see from the Sheriffs are nothing but lies. After reading all the guessing all the lies. Its ridiculous.
Even though Kris Duell insists she did not tell her husband, Matt Duell. She also insisted she told no one. That was a lie. Question everything about Kris Duell the idea a wife does not inform her husband or the 2nd owner of the store of the dropped ci card and having to meet w an officer to turn it over. Must of just slipped her mind. Impossible!!! She should be deemed unreliable and maybe if the Sheriffs actually stopped trying to play head games with the public and went in that direction, gave her a lie detector, along with her husband and connected just as I did here. You'd figure it out. Remember this post. When the truth comes out as it always does. You'll find this lead, this info is fact. Take it or leave it, all this guessing. Not a one of you got it right.
 

June 12/19

 

 



The Documentary
Yes this is the same person. They also mention the house is the BARLOW residence. The Barlows are somehow related to either Crawford or the Thibodeau's themselves. I am glad someone else caught that connection. All of the Pro-Thibodeau postings comes from Amanda Crawford and a couple of the Barlow's. Surprising they didn't point out this fact themselves lol.
 

June 11/19

 


Mr. Miron
Have you carefully read the document about the 3 1/2 year old boy?
While the first interview, Mr. Miron found the boy credible, by the second he couldn’t determine what caused the agitation he exhibited after going by the Barlow residence. Key phrase in the second interview was that Mr. Miron asked the boy if Heidi had also been shot in the foot and the boy replied Yes.
What has LE done over the past years to try to reinvestigate any claims from 1994/1995 if it wasn’t only about Richard or Gary.?
LE checked Richards van again before they returned it upon Gary’s death. They sent DNA samples to MA about a missing person case in which a perp was matched and imprisoned for a clerk’s murder there. They checked Rice Road with 3 cadaver dogs indicating, found nothing from forensic digging but then brought a small excavator to dig the site without ME.
They didn’t do it! Find who lured her, killed her and disposed of her! Hold THEM accountable and anyone who has been complicit in this cover-up of the Truth. Sounding like they’ll fill a block just by themselves.

June 11/19

 

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
I would like to say something about Gary's confession that Dodd said on the recent doc.
Bull. You must be kidding. Jenn W. gave strong info and the OCSD ignored it. Who do you think you're kidding Oswego...remember that quote from a "guy" at the 2014 hearing....( err lynching )?
Everyone keep the pressure on. Those that can help solve this case, contact Lisa Pebbles...not the OCSD they'll just throw it away....time for everyone to step up and revenge Heidi and Gary's deaths.
Remember what Tonya said about one of the investigators saying..." I don't care if Heidi is ever found."
Think if this was your child and the LE took that attitude.

June 11/19

 


Bivens
Why didn't the OCSD ask Bivens what time he drove by the store. I couldn't find it in t he Statement of Facts..( Oxymoron ). He said 8-8:30..lol this is their star witness who probably changed his mind after ( imo ) after MB got the DWI fax and talked to him about it...why else would Mike Bohere get a fax from the DA's office? I think the new sheriff has to ask for the FBI's help...he better or he'll be unemployed soon.

June 11/19

 


Fact Check yourself Dodd.
The correction officer is also linked to none other than the very man who arrived just as Richard did at the dnw store. Whoever posted the links between Bivens, Stitson and Mr. S himself nailed most of the connections on so far. So you have Cormey connecting the dots to Gene Austin aka Gene Cory. Gene leads you straight to the Swenszkowski family. Connect them Dodd maybe now you'll comprehend why that 3 year old little boy was so important. Whoever posted the connection with Stitson please repost that information.
 

June 11/19



"Street Cred"
So Greg Oakes DA, please explain about the huge brady violation that was done by you and Donald Dodd! So Dr. Murray S. Miron, a psychologist who advised the Federal Bureau of Investigation about the minds of criminals for two decades, was just getting "Street Cred" when he interviewed the young boy about seeing Heidi with snakes and bugs crawling over her, and then shot by a police officer in black boots? Please reference the diagrams attached to this email, drawn by an Oswego County Sheriff's Deputy. Explain that. Especially the one notation that says:"Corrections Officer, Auburn, has connections". But the name, which is written, is unrecognizable. What's his name Greg? Also, you discounted, yet another FBI agent, Clinton R. VanZant, a Supervisor in the FBI's internationally renowned Behavioral Science Unit at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. He was also the FBI's Chief Hostage Negotiator and , was the leader of the analytical team recognized with identifying the "Unabomber." Mr. Van Zandt accurately profiled Oklahoma City Federal Building Bomber Timothy McVeigh on the day of that fateful bombing. His take on Heidi's kidnapping was, "the Thibodeau brothers did not add up to my profile".
Are you implying that you and Donald Dodd, know more than these two world renowned men? That is so obtuse that I am laughing at you two fools while I type. I don't vote for liars, remember that at the next election. Hopefully someone finally cares enough about the crimes you, Donald Dodd, Reuel Todd, and Donald Todd, have committed. You have made a mockery of our county, and all of need to be held responsible for your misdeeds! This is only the beginning, be looking, more to follow!

June 9-10/19

 



The Documentary
A 3 ½ year old boy sees Heidi in a van with bugs & snakes, and shot.
The father of the little boy in your documentary is Richard Mitten.
Theresa Crawford has a half brother named Richard Mitten (Gary’s court transcript 2248)
She lived with Richard Thibodeau (t 2259)
April 9th, Gary & Richard Thibodeau and Mitten and their girlfriends all drove together, to join
the search for Heidi (t 2280)
Same Guy?

June 9-10/19



 


Bingo
The van taken off Gary's property was a decoy. Cut and dry. Here's another key everyone thinks she was taken for cocaine to cover up a coke ring. Ask Wescott how much in cocaine Breckenridge was given to take part in the kidnapping. She should know.

June 7-8/19

 


Coke drops
Here are known coke drop off points in the 90's. Air drops witnessed in Sandy Pond, multiple campers witnessed and reported at East Coast Resorts a plane landing on the water in the middle of the night and they felt they were smuggling in drugs. Harriett Drive, Pulaski, a plane was also landing beside then Jim Brows property/junk yard. Many citizens reported here on the lion and all over the internet witnessed countless planes through out the night, rumors of coke and coke drops at Oswego airport that butts to Richard Murtagh property/junkyard. Multiple witnesses. Yet, they can't find the coke ring. Write down everyone involved in these locations. It brings you back to Murtagh, Steen, Bohrer, Breckenridge. Those are facts Greg, you are a lowsy DA. THIS IS WHY, take the time to speak to the good citizens of OZ you'll find the witnesses you need to prove it, you can back it by the fact there's documentation confirming millions in cocaine found at Oswego airport not even a decade prior to Heidi vanishing. Oakes either has blinders on or he's as corrupt as the day is long.

June 7-8/19

 


RE: Bullshit Dodd
Lest we forget the other minor that testified --She didn’t state to police until March 1995, the same month Sharon was charged with perjury, that she saw Richards van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994. Other witnesses claimed to have seen a van but could not ID it as Gary’s even though they had seen Richards van more than 10, more than 20 times at Gary’s. What was Gary’s testimony of Richards van-that it was at his house the weekend AFTER to pick Sharon and him up to search? Gary’s testimony about that WAS NOT A LIE. Yup, Gary, makes sense with other facts. It’s called corroboration which, apparently, LE in 1994/1995 and now in the Oswego County Sheriff’s Office investigating Heidi’s disappearance, have no idea of what it means.

I could not imagine what it probably was like to be questioned, in a court of law, in front of the community. My heart breaks for what those two witnesses must have gone through. Dodd is very psychological with his words and mannerisms. Have you seen the photo of how he leaned in, bent over with his hands behind his back as he spoke to Sharon on the stand? Did you hear how he repeated “confessed” during Matt’s documentary when referring to the inmates. (Boy, what a lie. It’s in police notes and trial testimony that the inmates did NOT say Gary confessed. To set you straight, Dodd, what the inmates said was that they thought he had something to do with Heidi’s disappearance. What they also testified to, on the record, was that they would eavesdrop on his phone conversations home. But you are too smart to know that they would then ask him questions about what they heard. Duh!! That’s how they would know about a case in NY. REAL Facts don’t matter, now do they dodd?) People that can catch on to what he was doing know exactly why he was doing it….to intimidate, hoping for some kind of slip-up to use it against her and/or Gary. Amanda--I admire your integrity and fortitude to take the stand on your uncle’s behalf.

Gary is innocent of kidnapping or killing Heidi and anyone who knows what happened-either who took her, who killed her, or where her remains are/were-lawyer up and talk to the FEDS. This is an open missing person case. Set the record straight For Gary and Heidi!! Lest Karma happens for your family.

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/heidi-allen-files-digital-premiere-of-documentary-friday-at-8pm Thank you, Matt Mulcahy and John O’Brien for inspiring others to want more information-correct information. Looking forward to more because there are still unanswered questions. Thank you to the current Oswego Sheriff administration for your timely response to Matt Mulcahy. Thank you to all who spread the Truth.

 

June 7-8/19

 

 

 


Van Patten
Unless Van Patten's the one who resigned there was another deputy who may have witnessed the murder? or maybe heard the details firsthand? I was recently told that during the search there was one deputy who resigned after displaying very emotional behavior. I was told he said "They cut her up in little pieces and burned her" to another volunteer searcher. I haven't followed the case very closely but does this sound right?
 

June 7-8/19

 


The documentary
I wish they would put it on Youtube to be watched again.

Matt showed me some things I didn't know.

And the punchline of the day goes to Dodd..." see here is Gary confessing"...Don Dodd. Well if he confessed, why have a trial?

Not once since 2014 has anyone mentioned that he confessed..

Nice try Dodd, just more ammo for the FBI to use.

June 7-8/19

 


It’s Stinson not Stitson
And don’t thank me. I’m not on your side. I don’t believe that the cash register tape was
tampered with.
I just maintain that the cash register had to be set daily, and could have been 2 minutes fast.
Per the Cash Register Tape:
Wiltsie bought a paper at 0740
Swenszkoswki bought cigarettes at 0741
Thibodeau bought cigarettes at 0742
Wiltsie said he set his watch to 0735 at the Methodist Church and drove to the D&W.
The Church is just under one mile from the store. At 35 mph it takes exactly 2 minutes. (I drove
it) Walk in and buy a paper… That’s 3 minutes not 5.
That would put Wiltsie at 0738, Swenszkoswki at 0739, Thibodeau at 0740 and Stinson at
0740-41 - as I have always claimed.
Can’t prove it - Just my theory.
But I’m not Wiltsie. Maybe he’s a slow driver or a slow shopper and didn’t get to the counter until

June 7-8/19

 


New Drug House
The newest drug house in Oswego is 177 East 2nd Street. Cars come and go all day long, people in and out with their "goods". Drive by any time of day and you will see a Who's Who of Oswego's "finest" law abiding citizens. This apartment house has 4 Apartments and 3 of them are "In Business" The owner of this property has been warned about his tenants but doesn't seem to care. It's all about the HUD money he collects each month. No one in this house has a job but certainly have money to party all day long. CPS was at the house 2 days ago as there are children living there but of course they did nothing and the kids are still there...... Had to take a little break from writing this email as the Police were visiting the house again. 4th time this week they have been there. Let's clean this city up!! Let's go Mayor Barlow.
 

June 7-8/19

 


Gary's Day
Abuse of power, here's that definition. Joe Arpaio arrested by FBI for illegal prosecutions of citizens. FBI, calling his time a "Reighn of Terror."
When you violate Due Process and take away a citizens constitutional rights. You are in violation of Due Process. Greg and Dodd you may want to read the constitution of the United States.
You are also by FBI standards a threat to society. Here's what the FBI said about Joe and his BOGUS prosecutions they were UNACCEPTABLE. So shall theirs be.
May they come for you both Dodd and Gregory Oakes.
Just as in the past, there was Donnies Day. Maybe now Gary can have Gary's day.

June 7-8/19

 


I have a better suggestion
How about......Have the controlling wife stick a boot up Rob Ramseys a$$! He is such an idiot. The man is seriously stupid.

June 7-8/19

 



Trump admin tells U.S. embassies they can't fly pride flag on flagpoles https://a.msn.com/r/2/AACy7hR?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare


June 7-8/19


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Is Dodd having blood clots?

Said GT confessed but the guy he confessed to ..Balasdaro now says he didn't.

Sweating Dodd? I know you'll throw everyone under the bus...I would..lol.

All those holes in the inv, the lies the fake evidence, running around the truth..

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC...the liars ran up the clock.....too late guys time to go to prison.

June 6/19

 


Official's Climate Warning Blocked Because It Didn't 'Jibe' With Trump's View:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cfb3eefe4b04e90f1c9b942

 

June 7-8/19
 

 

 

 

 

Today's Quote June 7/2019

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/benjamin_franklin
Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/benjamin_fran

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.
Benjamin Franklin


 


Stinson to Common Sense
My apologies, I see where you got 7:45. It is in the transcript of Gary's trial @ tr1740. It says,
Curtiss arrived at 7:45 and notified dispatch at 7:55.
Pretty busy 3 minutes as you see on my previous post.

June 6/19


What's next?
With the new bombshell evidence revealed on the CNY Central special Wednesday night, I am shocked Syracuse.com or CNY Central itself doesn't appear to be digging any deeper into this. Will they attempt to interview the boy now he's older? Will Lisa Peebles introduce this as part of a new Brady Violation? Dodd says this hidden file was handed over as the evidence in the trials...but we know that's a lie. Please, somebody do something with this!

June 6/19

 


To Stinson
All done in 3 minutes? That was my first thought when I read this in 2014.
I thought about having guys drive to store to see if it was clear to kidnap her.
Anyone who followed this inv. would find it suspicious. And Todd, why didn't he want the FBI's help?

Only someone who was involved would do that.
Was he involved...don't know but start the popcorn and have a seat.

Maybe now we'll find out who was really responsible and let them sit in prison like an innocent man did.

June 6/19

 


Dunkin Drive Thru
Heard that the Ex-Pervert Mayor, you know, the one on the sex offenders list, John J Gosk, got the job to do all the electrical for the new Dunkin Disaster. Wonder whose ass he kissed and what kind of payback was involved? Under the table money to the Barlow campaign or is this a payback for John Gosk Jr. doing all that free sidewalk and driveway work on Barlow's fathers house on Erie St? Only in Oswego!



VanPatten
I’ll probably end up dead for mentioning this but.. the 3 year old says he seen a “policeman with black boots shoot Heidi in the head”, going back to Heidi Allen’s diary.. she talks of a sheriff deputy having a crush on her and stalking her... moving back to a “policeman dropping her CI card”.. going all the way back to when sheriffs being notified of Heidis disappearance. A “sheriff deputy was flagged down and happened to be sitting right on Albright road” what’s the connection with all of this? Every one of these were benign withheld by the sheriffs and DA. who’s the deputy who keeps coming up? 👮🏻♂️(posted publically online for the world to see)
Van patten oh where or where did you go? Hopefully to fn prison. You were also the officer that went to Richards the morning of Easter. Was easy wasn't it Van Patten once you found someone with a white van. Sick bastard. Everyone's catching on. If Oakes doesn't do what's right and just. I'm certain men in suits will. They'll take Greg down with you. Tick tock ya bastard. Looks like they just rung your fn clock.
I’ll probably end up dead for mentioning this but.. the 3 year old says he seen a “policeman with black boots shoot Heidi in the head”, going back to Heidi Allen’s diary.. she talks of a sheriff deputy having a crush on her and stalking her... moving back to a “policeman dropping her CI card”.. going all the way back to when sheriffs being notified of Heidis disappearance. A “sheriff deputy was flagged down and happened to be sitting right on Albright road” what’s the connection with all of this? Every one of these were benign withheld by the sheriffs and DA. who’s the deputy who keeps coming up? 👮🏻♂️(posted publically online for the world to see)
Van patten oh where or where did you go? Hopefully to fn prison. You were also the officer that went to Richards the morning of Easter. Was easy wasn't it Van Patten once you found someone with a white van. Sick bastard. Everyone's catching on. If Oakes doesn't do what's right and just. I'm certain men in suits will. They'll take Greg down with you. Tick tock ya bastard. Looks like they just rung your fn clock.

June 6/19



Stinson to Common Sense
You’re right, we've beaten this timeline to death. But I will add one more thing… I just reread my
3 statements given on April 3rd. (short, long & longer). Between the three of them I clearly told
Investigator Yerdon that I arrived about 7:40 and had been in the store about 15 minutes and
waved the deputy in at 7:58. Signed the day of, before anyone knew it was going to be huge.

June 6/19

 


Bullshit Dodd

Dodd I call bullshit. Did you claim you did not call this child or his mother to the stand because he was a child. I call bullshit on your pathetic assinin excuses. You called Amanda Crawford another child to the stand. Did you not? You tore in to her as if she was a hostile witness. You lying pos, you used anyone and anything you could to push your bullshit conviction on Gary Thibodeau. You didn't use him because it destroyed your case and you were running for election in the spring of 95, Todd called it Donnies Day. You are a liar, in turn Greg covered for you. Is Greg also going to claim he never saw this file or ever spoke to anyone in the FBI seeing as the Sheriffs sent this report to them. Please you two are two peas in a pod, both are rotten lying cowards. Hilton you have all grounds for immediate arrests. Where are you? We voted you in for a reason.

June 6/19

 


Mulcahy was correct
It seems Murtagh and Breckenridge family find this entire thing humorous. I never knew the brutal death of a teen was so funny. Demented post. Boy are these people making the Sheriffs look awful. Its all fun and games Murtagh til the cops show up. Remember that. Maybe the next ones knocking will bring with them a warrant for your arrest. Won't be funny then will it?

June 6/19


Stitson I shake your hand
Stitson is dead on if you look at the paperwork you'll find a written receipt with the last check out time as 716 am. Its crossed off. Replaced with 742. I'm certain that pos vanpatten or Curtis had something to do with that. The times wrong period. Several witnesses saw much action around 730 am that morning at the store. Including Brett law Bronco, Dan Barney red truck. Low and behold these witnesses that saw action at the store around 730 am were never used. Line it up and the 716 fits. Richard cashed out at 716, these idiots arrive around 730 am, Curtis 12 minutes later. How do we know 730. Use the witnesses they neglected to call because it didn't fit their time. Clocks are off a half hour, atleast on the register. Because everything went down around 730. That's why Stitson arriving at 742 saw nothing. Hes being honest, fourth coming and repeats the same exact thing over and over and over again. There will be no arrests its OZ the place that keeps lying over and over again. Those in power are the reason she was taken and has never been found. 2 lives taken that day. Too bad it wasn't one of you assholes involved that vanished or ended up in prison. Wescott you better beg God to remember you. You are already going to hell. Murtagh seems to find it humorous. I wonder what he will feel like when Lisa's the last one laughing. Murtagh smh..Jim Brows name was also coughed up. Whoops. You obviously think the public's as stupid as you.


June 6/19

 

 

 

Today's Quote June 6/2019

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.

Oscar Wilde



D Day June 5 th
Dodd Day ………..Great job, Matt Mulcahey, for exposing the corruption in the Oswego District Attorney’s Office.
 

June 6/19

 


A police man with black boots huh?
Dodd, Todd and Nellis withheld evidence, covered up and obstructed the Allen case.
A three year old visting his father, who was associated with the possible suspects, told his Mother on return home, he saw "a policeman with black boots"shoot Heidi Allen and help dispose of her by burning. No three year old would make that up as he was too little to be aware of the ongoing matter. The psychiatrist who interviewed the kid, at length, states unequivocally, the kid was telling the truth. Dodd, Nellis and the others with held this from the defense, in additipn, the story circulating was she was killed and burned. How would a three year old be aware of that? In addition, Murtaugh admitted he disposed of a van that had a rolled up rug in the back, for some people thought to be connected. The van matched the description of the one a witness said took her.
They are covering thier own quite possibly. The higher ups refused ANY outside help.
This stinks.
 

June 6/19

 


Worthless lying little F**KS the two of them.
Every case Don Dodd or Greg Oaks prosecuted or was involved in as District Attorneys or assistants should be re examined if not reopened
 

June 6/19

 


Murtaugh
By the way, Murtaugh told cops a rolled up rug in the van was there when he disposed of it. All of his employees lawyered up.
 

June 6/19

 


Sick
Dodd what you did is nothing less than criminal. Obstruction of justice, with holding information to protect a police officer. If Hilton can't seem to find the dignity he needs, maybe feds will start issuing arrests, these files were intentionally hidden to protect an officer. None of you are above the law. There is 0 again accountability or integrity in this case. Dodd this time you were in deed caught red handed. Greg Oakes following suit your charges should mirror Dodds along with Mark Moody. Sick DA office and completely demented sheriff dept. So which sheriff was it. Curtis, Vanpatten, Wheeler??? My gutt says VANPATTEN!!!! WHERE IN THE HELL IS THE INTEGRITY HILTON PREECHES. FIND IT AND ISSUE ARRESTS. The only good thing this has done is your hunt to link Gary a family in Mass was given closure. The damn blood hounds have more sense than you shit ass good ol boys. I hear cuffs..its time.

June 6/19

 


Dodd
Gary died for no reason. None. Dodd should be held accountable along with Greg Oakes and mark Moody.
 

June 6/19

 


THE VAN
THEY STOLD AN UNLICENSED VAN FROM GARY’S PROPERTRY HOPING TO SUBSTITUTE IT FOR THE ONE HEIDI WAS KILLED IN. WHEN IS THE FBI GOING TO STEP IN AND START PUTTING THESE PEOPLE IN JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG????????????
 

June 6/19

 


To Stinson
Looks like you arrived after Heidi was taken. That's obvious. Was the clock used to set up the T. brothers?

My posts were not addressed to you, rather hoping someone could explain what happened.

Sorry if I caused you any problems or stress.

I will not post anymore about the timeline.

Rather hoping all this ends up in the hands of the DOJ or the FBI and they solve it.

So sorry, just trying to jar someone that may know what happened in a very suspicious case.

June 6/19



Stinson to Common Sense
So you think she had a transaction at 7:42 and the cops were waved in at 7:45?
Thibodeau buys cigarettes at 7:42
Pays, exits the store, gets in his van, moves it to the steps or waits for Swenkowski to get out of
his way (Depends who you ask) and leaves.
(Maybe another vehicle arrives to abduct Heidi)
Bivens is stuck in heavy traffic at the intersection and sees “husky guys and bear hugs.”
Pearce drives by in “slush & snow? and sees whatever…”
All that is over with. Heidi is gone.
I arrive, park, enter the store and wait for the clerk (I thought in the bathroom?)
Another customer arrives and puts down money for a paper.
Another customer does the same.
I wait a few minutes, call out, check the bathroom & customer side of the store.
I wait for another customer. (a few minutes)
Pat Granger arrives, gets $5 of gas and enters the store,
John Glenister arrives, We all talk, check the whole store. (a few minutes)
I walk outside to check the outside and see the Sheriff at the corner.
All in 3 minutes?
The cops had all the time in the world to check my time while I was writing a statement that
morning and again in the afternoon. (the statements said I arrived 7:40)
I just wish all those cops who were checking store clocks had walked outside to the patrol car I
was writing a report in.
Instead Inv. Hall came to my house 4 days later, and we determined I may have arrived as late
as 7:41 based on my Home clock. Remember, the wife was setting the clock as I walked out the
door on April 3rd. That's where my Timeline started.
We couldn’t check it against the cash register. It had been shut on/off 4 times.
I’ll stick to my timeLine. I arrived at 7:40-1,(based on MY clock) flagged the cop in at 7:58 ish?

June 6/19

 

 


How does it feel Martha Sturtz
You and you’re a$$hole husband delivered Heidi to her killers.

 

June 6/19
 

 

 

Heidi Allen special Tonight At 7 PM On Channel 3  …….

ONE YEARE IN THE MAKING

 

"Let me tell you the story of Heidi Allen.." from our @CNYcentral war room

where we discussed the case for the "Heidi Allen Files"

airing this Wednesday June 5th 7pm on NBC 3. 

Don't miss it!

 

 

 

Tic Toc

I am in agreement. Start saving yourselves. Its time. The public already knows the truth. Its out. Just as Wescott said. Jump ship or sink with it.

 

 June 5/19

 

 

Stinson writes:

Again, On April 7th Investigator Hall took me back to the store to compare my clock with the

cash register time. It is my understanding that The Cash register was “broken” to the extent that

the register (or power to it) was shut of each evening. The Clerk on the following day would turn

it on, set the time and it would keep time until shut off in the evening.

I can’t explain the clock conundrum any better today than 25 years ago.

You should get Investigator Halls report from 3/7/94 to see how my clock compared to his watch

and the Timeline. For all I know, He reconciled it or totally dismissed my time as wrong.

You seem to be asking me this over and over. If you’re hoping for a freudian slip. Good luck.

All I can do is be a Witness. I wrote my statements (the day of), I testified in court, I personally

initiated a meeting with Lisa Pebbles (to ensure she had all my statements), I’ve called the DA’s

office (if I had a concern) and I answer every question on this site. (with my name)

Not once since 1995 have the police, the lawyers, the DA or the Media tried to contact me.

Btw, I was at the counter with the police when Kris Duell arrived and opened the register. When

all their watches and store clocks were checked I don’t remember.

 

 June 5/19

 

 

 

Today's Quote June 4/2019

If you want a thing done well, do it yourself.
Napoleon Bonaparte

 



To NYSP
Delbert Shaw, along with his side kick significant other are in South Carolina.

June 4/19

 

 

HEIDI ALLEN


https://cnycentral.com/news/local/nbc3s-heidi-allen-files-to-reveal-hidden-

document-in-case-of-missing-oswego-county-teen


Chatter is picking up on this new documentary coming. Many are asking and guessing what the dirty DA will say to get out of this. By the previews alone another Brady Violation and obviously they broke the law prosecuting Gary Thibodeau. Hopefully it's enough to spark arrests by outside forces. June 5th at 7 pm you are not going to want to miss this. There is more coming out than what the preview is telling. Dodd, Oakes, Moody, Todd brothers. You all deserve prison a long with the criminals you are protecting. Hilton what is it you are doing to help anyone. You have also watched this unfold. You truly stand by Todd's conviction? How about Hilton not a one of them has ever been held accountable.

June 4/19



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Timeline:

- Stinson arrives at 7:41 ( his words )
- Flags deputy down at 7:45.
- Deputy calls in at 7:55..time confirmed by OCSD person
- Duell opens cash register at 8:16 with Deputy there. They confirm the time with deputy's watch. All the same time.
- Deputy earlier checked time on register, wall clock and his watch..all the same time.

This proves that not only was the clock right, but that the register was not broken the day Heidi was kidnapped.

Stinson was there from 7:41 to after 8 am...but never saw anyone or anything.

Was the time on register changed by Duell when the deputy was there?

Stinson and deputy confirm his arrival time on April 7th..7:41 is his arrival time.

I am not accusing Stinson or suggesting he had anything to do with the crime but how can this be? There were other people that arrived after Stinson was their time confirmed?

Who opened the cash register at 4 am that morning. Well it can't be too hard to find out. NEVER WAS INVESTIGATED ( imo ).

I think we all know what really happened in this case...GT was set up.

I'd like to ask Bohere if he did receive a fax from the DA's DWI file and is so did he talk to Bivens and sway him to change their story about the color of the van? Because I think the "three" did it with others helping with a cover up.

Mrs. Fabin changed her story to id RT's van but stated it was light blue when it was behind her in Mexico.

Bivens changed his story from light blue to white and id RT's van only after saying it wasn't RT's van 2-3 times.

Another person told the OCSD that he saw a blue van speeding on the road and did a U-turn...again blue. But said the OCSD wouldn't listen to him..hmmm. Cover up? You bet.

Did the police look for a light blue van? Why did they change their stories and the color of the van?

The FBI will walk thru this fiasco. This is a tragedy and a joke...so many mistakes and deliberate actions by some of the deputies.

Tell me, what goes on at 3-4 AM at the airport that was so important that the people living nearby reported seeing county issued vehicles going in there but it was never investigated!!! MOE, you care to tell us?

TIC TOC TIC TOC...

The truth always comes out sooner or later.
I said in 2014 on the Peeledonion.com there were a lot more people involved in this then people think.

BETTER SAVE YOURSELF BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE TURNS STATES EVIDENCE FOR TOTAL IMMUNITY...OR GO TO PRISON.

June 4/19

 


Tammy Mahoney
Everyone knows but still no trial.

He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder.

Thomas Sullivan is a blend of Mohawk and Irish. And he looks it. With a handsome mug complete with bright eyes, he is a magnificent storyteller.
During his annual Native American history display last Friday Aug. 7 in Syracuse, he talked in circles about his people as he explained the images.
He put the show up on Oswego Blvd in that little triangle of grass across from the Erie Canal Museum, one block north of city hall. It actually started across the street at the rock, which commemorates the Onondagas helping settlers in Syracuse.
The show (see gallery at cnylink.com) is a series of photographs, paintings and graphic images that give life to the Native American experience from the Iroquois Nation across the great plains, through Wounded Knee and out to the Pacific Coast.
He doesn't sugarcoat their story. He points to photographs of markers that note where the savages were killed by the new colony's army; often after helping settlers to adjust to their new land. There was a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Sullivan explains how he gave the order to hang 17 native Americans. He was backed into it politically, but still he did it. Sullivan talked about how George Washington was a monster, as he sent his army to slaughter the same Indians who came and fed his army when they were trapped at Valley Forge.
Throughout the show there are several images of young white girls. These are young women, Sullivan says who disappeared and are thought to be buried on the Onondaga Nation. One was found dead, naked in a blanket. Her death was ruled accidental because of exposure. He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder. Recounting seeing a young man covered in blood come to his mother's house that very night. He also names Indians who worked as informants for the American Government at Wounded Knee. And talks about how throughout history whenever an Indian aided an abbeded the United States, they often paid dearly at the hands of those they were working for.
So, while walking through his exhibit, and hearing his stories -- often citing the oral tradition of his elders, one wonders -- "whose side is Tommy Sullivan on?" Over time, it becomes apparent that he is after the truth.
He said, after his activism in Columbus Square, trying to get the way the Indians were depicted off the monument (he says inaccurately), he is persona non-gratis. The Post Standard won't cover him and city hall won't speak to him.
So, is he a rabble rowser? He prefers to think of himself as an activist, and ultimately, a man of peace.
What he is really after is a city park dedicated to the local native Americans. And he thinks the triangle of land that he takes over once a year would be perfect. As there it sits, unoccupied and silent across from the Erie Canal Museum, which tells the story of building the Empire State.
What do you think? Write us at city@cnylink.com.
To learn more about Tommy Sullivan read Shepperd's City Scuffle blog Holding the Rock.Thomas Sullivan is a blend of Mohawk and Irish. And he looks it. With a handsome mug complete with bright eyes, he is a magnificent storyteller.
During his annual Native American history display last Friday Aug. 7 in Syracuse, he talked in circles about his people as he explained the images.
He put the show up on Oswego Blvd in that little triangle of grass across from the Erie Canal Museum, one block north of city hall. It actually started across the street at the rock, which commemorates the Onondagas helping settlers in Syracuse.
The show (see gallery at cnylink.com) is a series of photographs, paintings and graphic images that give life to the Native American experience from the Iroquois Nation across the great plains, through Wounded Knee and out to the Pacific Coast.
He doesn't sugarcoat their story. He points to photographs of markers that note where the savages were killed by the new colony's army; often after helping settlers to adjust to their new land. There was a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Sullivan explains how he gave the order to hang 17 native Americans. He was backed into it politically, but still he did it. Sullivan talked about how George Washington was a monster, as he sent his army to slaughter the same Indians who came and fed his army when they were trapped at Valley Forge.
Throughout the show there are several images of young white girls. These are young women, Sullivan says who disappeared and are thought to be buried on the Onondaga Nation. One was found dead, naked in a blanket. Her death was ruled accidental because of exposure. He tells an incredible story about the night SU student Tammy Mahoney went missing, naming local Indians that were involved in the unsolved murder. Recounting seeing a young man covered in blood come to his mother's house that very night. He also names Indians who worked as informants for the American Government at Wounded Knee. And talks about how throughout history whenever an Indian aided an abbeded the United States, they often paid dearly at the hands of those they were working for.
So, while walking through his exhibit, and hearing his stories -- often citing the oral tradition of his elders, one wonders -- "whose side is Tommy Sullivan on?" Over time, it becomes apparent that he is after the truth.
He said, after his activism in Columbus Square, trying to get the way the Indians were depicted off the monument (he says inaccurately), he is persona non-gratis. The Post Standard won't cover him and city hall won't speak to him.
So, is he a rabble rowser? He prefers to think of himself as an activist, and ultimately, a man of peace.
What he is really after is a city park dedicated to the local native Americans. And he thinks the triangle of land that he takes over once a year would be perfect. As there it sits, unoccupied and silent across from the Erie Canal Museum, which tells the story of building the Empire State.
What do you think? Write us at city@cnylink.com.
To learn more about Tommy Sullivan read Shepperd's City Scuffle blog Holding the Rock.

June 4/19

 


Mick Mulvaney: 'Not Unreasonable' To Ask Navy To Move John McCain Warship
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cf3dd08e4b0a1997b6bf82b


June 4/19



Trump Uses Warship Scandal To Rip John McCain Again
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cefdb19e4b07e067d8a03ad


June 4/19

 


Something again doesn't make sense at the D&W
Timeline at the D&W
"I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42"...Stinson

Not to be accusing you but how did you know the clock was broken ( set by Heidi at 5:55 AM ) when the deputy matched his watch, the wall clock and the cash register time...and all were the same.

At 8:16 AM Duell opened the cash register with the deputy and they matched its time with deputy's watch and again it all matched.

What happened before the 3rd with clock has nothing to do with the fact that the time was right according ot Duell and the deputy.

Of course only if they are telling the truth. The fact that the OCSD didn't even go after the tape for April 3rd until August of that year sends up red flags.

You don't have to, but could you give your opinion on what you thought happened that morning at the D&W.

Something doesn't pass the smell test..not saying you were involved but if the did change the time how could they have done it with transactions before RT got there from other customers and verifying their time the entered and then left.

There is a lot of activity that points to police involvement ie: MB getting a DWI fax from the DA's office?????
one lying on the Grand Jury stand, Oakes getting caught in a lie by Matt Mulcahey (sp).

JW telling enough info to turn this case around...and a host of other things.

Just curious about letting a guy die and a girl die because of drugs.

"And when I strike down with great avenges to those that have hurt my brothers"...Pulp Fiction quote Samuel Jackson.

June 4/19



WHAT? Heidi Allen
Isn't suspicious that Oakes gave Lisa P. all that evidence just 2 days, on a Friday or Saturday before the trial?

Isn't also that Heidi's sister is happy with the conviction (?) even though the second guy was not found or convicted?

Also that Jenn W. gave a lot of info to the OCSD and they did nothing with it.

And Heidi being confirmed by a deputy that he did sign her as a CI?

And no one looked for a blue vann or checked MB who owned a white van as testimony by a guy who borrowed it to junk with at the time of the crime?

And MB gets a fax from the DA's DWI file?

And Oakes stating the GT went to MA around the 3rd but two deputies that were watching him said the car never left.

And Dodd being caught in a lie by Lisa P.

And Jenn W. saying she didn't know anything but then said she did and the OCSD didn't do anything with the info.

And OCSD inv. erasing Jenn's phone texts?

And someone texting Steen..CIAO Heidi...means see you later in Italian. They had the owner of the phone but only asked a few questions and did not see in someone else was in the house.

And OCSD didn't get the register tape until August 1994.

And it took 6 months to get a picture of Steen so a witness could look at it.

And Roger couldn't account for at least one hour of time the morning of.

And Moe not letting the FBI help...hmmm I wonder why.

And Judge ( used loosely ) let Bohere off the stand because he was upset.

And the color of the van by 2 witnesses changed their mind about it...yuck, how can you live with that.

And offering Jenn W. immunity. Must have been sure she knew something.

And a jail house snitch now changing his story.

And three people said it was a blue van but the OCSD came up with nothing.

And one deputy said we asked one of the 'THREE" but he said he didn't do it. You from Saturday nite Live? Are you serious. what the hell do you think they are going to say?

And Oakes telling Lisa P. that "I don't have a lot of confidence in the OCSD integrity then changing his mind. Probably after soemone sat him down for a talk.

And why would Tonya be getting death threats if Gary was the true killer. Did the OCSD use phone records etc?

And, and, and...........Is this enough suspicious activity for you? and there is so much more. Who's gonna be the first one to talk? First one walks, all others go to prison!

COVER UP!

June 4/19

 

 


Roundup?
Is it true that the City of Oswego purchased the banned carcinogen Roundup in large quantities from a city fireman? Do they plan to continue poisoning us?

May 29/19

 


Timeline at the D&W
"I DID see something at 7:41. I saw Heidi was missing! And Later, (on April 7th with
Investigator Hall) I saw her cash register CLOCK WAS BROKEN. Which explains why she can
sell cigarettes to Swenkowski at [perhaps 7:41 ?], Sell Thibodeau cigarettes at 7:42"...Stinson
The clock was discovered broken 7 days after. This does not mean it was broken the day Heidi went missing.

I have re-read Bivens' statement to the cops..wow. I will post his story and you can see that his testimony should have been scratched.

May 29/19



Greg Oakes
Hey Greg, you have a wife and kids, leave the women alone who work around you.
Do you think you are safe and can do anything you want? People are talking about
your affair! What a sorry excuse for a DA!

May 29/19

 

 


To Stitson.
I personally believe you gave great detail and were very stern on your time even though it butted the heads of the Sheriffs. I've always said to anyone I personally have spoken to about this case that you were not only honest you let the cat out of the bag about things being broken. If it wasn't for you no one would even have known the cash register was broken. Your time is what blows the Sheriffs lies about their time line out of the water. I give you credit for standing by your testimony then and now.
 

May 29/19

 

 

 

 

Former Oswego Wastewater Treatment Plant Manager

admits to polluting water in Lake Ontario

 

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/former-oswego-wastewater-treatment-plant-manager-admits-to-polluting-water-in-lake-ontario/2023242530

 

It was reported here that Federal officials raided the Oswego Sewage Treatment Plant with guns drawn and had employees lined up in the hallway under guard while they were interrogated and documents were removed. The City of Oswego retaliated against the whistleblower who as I understood lost his job. Lets hope he got a good lawyer and sued. Below is a post from October 2015. The person referred to as "Rita" was personnel director Rita Tickle and the mayor I believe was that dope Gilligan. Those two unsuccessfully tried to cover it all up. My question would be how much did or will the taxpayers have to pay in fines for their incompetence and corruption and what about Anthony Leotta who over saw the operation at those plants.

 

 

wastewater

This was a post from 2015

Wow, just checked out google earth. What an amazing overhead view they have of the lake. Don't know the date of the picture, but it say's 2015. Go ahead and check out the east side wastewater plant 71 mercer street. Nice view of the overstocked shit on hand in the aeration tanks, they are the 8 tanks about in the middle of the place. The north 2 and the south 2 are normally not on line, but since the centrifuge is still not working, and management is still not trucking the shit out of there it will probably end up in the lake like several other  times this year( VIDIO coming). Even if the centrifuge was working, they don't have enough employee's to run it because no one wants to work at a unmanaged place, micromanaged by the bosses kid and no one want's to do all superman's work while he play's on his phone or babysits his kids at work. Even without superman the operator's are so underpaid they  don't want to do anything as they are understaffed and overworked. They have to carry a wastewater licence, and  a drivers licence and have the responsibility of reporting things to DEC and protecting our lake, but barely make more money than future  McDonald's workers are being offered. Back to google earth, zoom in and see how clear the water is east and west of the plant and how brown the lake is in front of the plant, but what did you expect, look in the parking lot looks like a black dodge to me. I wish Gary would  bring his goat to westside plant to eat the grass before they have to hire someone to bale it as hay, but maybe he's using it for something else!  Signed FOOFM(that stands for f**ked out of fifteen minutes).PS if Rita had done her job none of this would be happening.

 


 

 

 

 

 

WHAT DID LISA AND HER FATHER DO

WITH THE MONEY FROM THE HEIDI ALLEN CENTER?????????????

 


Justice in the truth
There is Justice in the truth. That phrase is something those involved in Gary Thibodeau case negatively can't seem to understand. Your lives will unravel on their own. Its called Karma. People you thought were friends aren't really. Some may have ended relations with you. Every where you go that shadow of doubt is cast upon your name. It will never go away. You may be shunned in public. Your business may fail, you may not get the job you want, hell your own family may have cut you off. In the end Gary's justice has already been served. Because now everyone knows your names. You deserve far more than those simple losses, you deserve prison. But in the end Gary actually won.

May 1/19



The system is rigged its common sense.
Everyone wants to go to court and deal with even the Gary Thibodeau case in court, to bide time. More and more time. People like Tammy Mahoney sister will figure it out. She's fighting, is honest and is trying to break through the rigged areas of the system but it's difficult. I know there are many honest people who would issue arrests and be happy to do so in Gary's case, the public has more heart in the Gary Thibodeau, Heidi Allen or Tammy Maloney case than those wearing a badge. That badge doesn't make the person it's their integrity. Instead let's all play games, drag things on, lie, munipulate and have zero accountability in the system because and only because some who need it actually do wear a badge. Its all rigged. Everyone else is wrong the good ol boys are always right. We witnessed laws being broken, some very serious laws. We all know it, saw it along with zero integrity, zero accountability and zero help from any one, but every day citizens trying to make a difference. Maybe Tammys family will figure out how to dance around it. Maybe one will.

April 29/19

Today's Quote April 27/2019

The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart.
Helen Keller


 


Fair-Average-Normal
I love the real property description of Yaccos house. Trust me it is anything but fair, average or normal.
If I remember right that house also has a finished basement.
This sounds like another one of Marty Websters creative assessments. I heard the little bastard retired from the county but is he still working for the town?
 

April 27/19
 

Pictures
If anyone has pictures of Minetto Town employees working on Yacco’s house send them to the lion I’m sure Ed will post them.
If you got them send them in.
 

April 27/19


My husband Rob Ramsey Jr.
To all of you being bully’s to my husband Rob, he has served this county and cares very much for everyone.He has never cheated on me. He is home every night.Please stop being so mean.He cries sometimes and I have to knock the shit out of him to get him to calm down. Stop saying he is short.Please stop making fun of us.We love all of you constituents and we need your votes in Scriba and in Minetto.

April 27/19

 


Under the table
MINETTO ROOFING ...... 3065 St Rt 48
THE TOWN OF MINETTO HIGHWAY DEPT WORKERS , ARE WORKING ON DOMINIC YACCO’S ROOF ON RT 48 BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO OR THEY WOUKD BE FIRED. DOM TOLD THEM TO PARK HIDE BEHIND HIS HOUSE.
BEEN THEIR FOR SEVERAL HOURS. WORKING ON HIS ROOF. IT IS NOT ROB RAMSEYS FAULT. HE IS A STAND UP GUY. ASK THE FAMILY WE ALL KNOW HIM

April 27/19


Oakes
Oakes was asked for the interrogation video for Priest he claimed under the biggest mystery ever in Oz, he didn't record it. He's nothing more than a habitual liar.

April 24/19

 


Barkley, Steen, Wescott
Steen facebook shows pv Moore as his school, along with the Heidi texter, wonder what the PV Moore year books will show.


April 24/19



Oakes Where is Tonya priests interrogation video
Remember Tonya said she was taken into an investigators back office without Oakes being present.
 

April 22/19

 


When does Oakes not lie
I wonder if Greg Oakes is aware the lies he told about Tonya Priest will catch up with him. As some people have gotten copies of reports filed in 2010 to missing and exploited kids by her. Multiple calls and one of the exact day Vicky Steen was shot. He needs to be delt with by higher authority. I'm certain after his lies in the pod cast he will be. He had a certain man speak to him, Oakes made one comment to him, that doesn't match his pod cast interview. I'm sure it'll come crashing down soon enough. Once you lie, you forget about what you've said prior isn't that right Oakes? The man he spoke to is of serious higher authority. You may Oakes want to wrack your brain and recall a few things you said to a certain someone because he's well aware you out right lied in your pod cast. The reason he's aware Oakes is because you sent that man back to Tonya Priest and you send a message with this man to her. Lol such an idiot to think every word your are saying Oakes isn't being documented.

April 20-21/19

 


Here's a hint
Oakes were the cabin diggers the powers the first ones at that cabin. Here's a clue Greg you've been had. I'll use the famous line on here Tick tock you may just end up in prison.

April 20-21/19

 


Oakes is the reason
Oakes is a direct example of why no one else will help the Allen family. He's taken good citizens and lied about all of them because what they know doesn't match his lies. In the end Lisa B, will be apologizing to many. Greg well he may just be led by higher authority to either step down or face charges.
 

April 20-21/19

 


Liar
Greg has a serious rude awakening coming. Just wait. It's going to prove how well he didn't investigate the Gary Thibodeau case. It's proof of one thing he was too lazy and incompetent to do a proper investigation. There's documentation to debunk the lies he's telling. Justice Department should have a field day with Greg, seeing as he likes to lie some are going to be pushing back with facts he can not get away from, when he slapped real hard with documents he neglected to seek out.

April 20-21/19

 



How's that Greg for conspiracy.
Because that's when I talked to Lisa and john because I've always suspected murtaugh had something to do with my brother's death and and when he threatened me on syr.com the next day he called my mom talking about my brother the following day my mom received a call from john stating that murtaugh said my brother and his friend dug a hole for thumper and that's probably where Heidi is that's why I had to call john and Lisa to let them both know I thought murtaugh had something to do with my brothers death
Jan 12, 2015 · Sent from Messenger
Lisa and john both knew he was lyin that's when they told me rumor has it that thumper shot him.
Jenn and roger can both rot I was friends with both of them I thought they were friends they kept me close just to know that I wasn't going to dig and told me crap for all these years.
Original messages. How's that Greg for conspiracy? When multiple families name the same people over and over its no conspiracy Greg, it's a fact you don't do proper investigations. In this young ladies case the outcome was James Steen being the shooter to her brother, he got away with it. This was investigated by Lisa Peebles and her team. That was the outcome Thumper was the shooter. There are families Greg that could really use a DA with an ounce of brains and that isn't corrupt. Most good officers would be very suspicious their names continue to appear in strange deaths or suicides. Not Greg I tell you its a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy only in your head Greg because you haven't done proper investigations in to any families allegations, because? You have no excuse if you can't do your job. I suggest OZ finds a DA that can and will. This is only one of several families. Wayne Priest family did not quote say a biker club in general killed Wayne Priest. What was said was Dan Barney had a part in it. Funny he is also probable suspect in Heidi Allen. What you have Greg is terrorism you can't grasp. Anyone with a lick of intelligence will clearly tell you one percent gang member are the cancer of society, from illegal drugs, murder, extortion, the list goes on. Must be Greg thinks that bikers are the great product of our society. I'll guarantee you FBI would tell Greg, you are an idiot.
 

April 20-21/19

 


Heidi Sister
Here is the plain cold truth about Heidi sister. She's nothing like Tammy Mahony's sister. Huge differences. Ones doing all they can to bury the truth the other ones slamming the officers involved and fighting to be heard and to find the truth, not hide it. Two sisters both have siblings whom had heart breaking stories. Ones not stupid, the other one is. During Dateline interview Lisa tossed in her towel when asked one key question. "Were you or Heidi ever involved in drugs." That seemed to upset Lisa and she stormed off the set. If she knew anything about her sisters case she'd know this, "Dodd made Heidi out to be a coke head, not only during trial but it supports his closing arguments". If she did not know this, she really has studied nothing on her sisters case and she's showing it. But yet even though that question pissed her off, she still supported the case which supports the idea her sister was a druggie. How much Lisa do you truly pay attention to anyone but yourself. Great sister Lisa B. Difference between the two siblings, is simple. One has gutts to fight. The other uses the system to gain sympathy and attention. What's funny is her mother warned everyone and made it very very clear Lisa is an attention seeker and obviously not smart enough to understand an ounce of her sisters case. Even Stitson made that very clear her memory may be vague but his is not. You may Lisa B, want to take some notes on how a real sister acts, because Tammy's fights the system to bring truth for her murdered sibling. She does not rake the system or the public for sympathy she fights every damn day to just be heard. She doesn't kiss anyone's ass. She calls them all out on every lie they produce she does not give room for oopsies. One oopsie she went over their heads and contacted the DOJ. Most ridiculous comment yet out of your, by what Dodd painted a druggies families mouth, Lisa. Tammy's sister could use the publics help, unlike Lisa and her support of oopsies, Tammys family wants nothing but facts and the truth. Tammys family had the gutts to report corruption to the DOJ, now Tammys family has movement because she seeks nothing but the truth, she tossed a few officers, without hesitating, she does not care whos in her way. Take notes Lisa this sister bar none is real your actions in this give tons of question as to where you truly stood with Heidi the day she vanished. Seems its all about you, not what's best for Heidi or you'd make many simular moves as the Mahoney family. Your behavior and ridiculous comments tend to raise red flags to many. The fact you being Heidi family, are aware of oopsies and haven't requested DOJ investigation is beyond me. When its said and done the words told you so will live with you forever because you arent fighting for your sister. You are doing nothing but supporting the idea your sister is a massive coke head. Funny the DA seemed to think so. Lol sad thing is the general public does not support you or that theory, why? Because you aren't the only one who knew the real Heidi. Lisa is supporting destroying her own sisters reputation to protect a sheriff and his good ol boys reputation, oopsie. There is a pretty place in hell for them and for you, Lisa B. https://www.facebook.com/Justice-for-Tammy-Mahoney-1516278771947064/



April 18-19/19

 


Integrity
https://www.wrvo.org/post/episode-3-new-life


Just Wow, Greg. You don’t trust the integrity of some in the Sheriff’s department but still stand by your…lies?!?? Incredible. What does that say about YOU? You can take plausible deniability and….. Hahaha. Can’t get away from what the public knows as FACT!!
P.S. Take a lesson-
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2019/04/fbi-increases-reward-to-20000-in-tammy-mahoney-cold-case.html


This is what it may look like when the Sheriff’s lack integrity and a family wants their loved one found.

 


Why ask “Who she was?” when we can’t get a straight or truthful answer?
In 1994, she was a CI according to the Sergeant who signed her up to give drug dealer names to LE, albiet fellow high schoolers. At the same time, LE and Heidi’s family deny she was and/or gave any useful information. We heard about how she was such a beautiful, young, athletic woman who could handle herself. Dodd even says during closing arguments at Gary’s trial, making it seem possible, that sometimes we don’t really know our loved ones, implying that Heidi may have had some kind of “drug arrangement” with Gary. Fast forward-even when the CI card surfaced in the public eye, LE still denied Heidi was useful but that she did give names and that the card identifying her with a code name was dropped in the parking lot of the very store she worked at. Not long after, auntie comes forward with a story that doesn’t paint too pretty of a picture.
So with all the conflicting information of “Who she was?” and the fact that Heidi’s sister won’t answer any questions to the negative, why would we ask when we can’t get a plain, truthful answer. She, as a person, was not only one thing to those whose lives she touched.

Denial is a seriously detrimental character flaw.

April 16-17/19

 


Inquiry-Greg Oakes
Who was the one that came up with the juvenile argument, “his work area was a mess so he might not have seen….”? ‘might’ is a speculative word Mr. Gregory Oakes. Last I knew, the court of law is based on FACTS. I propose that because you and Moody didn’t have a document with you in court for the Hearing that you guys were unprepared and unorganized. What does that fact say about YOU?

Who made up the timeline found in your “Statement of Facts”? You certainly didn’t follow the times elicited from the trial from the prosecution and defense questioning. Sorry, I forgot…only believe the prosecution witnesses when questioned by Dodd. F__k what the defense elicited or their witnesses.

I’ll ask you this, if Dodd saw “every” piece of paper from the Heidi Allen files then why could he not recall the deal Baldasaro received for testifying for the prosecution of Gary? He either lied about seeing “every” piece of paper or he lied to the public about the ‘deal”. Either way…LIAR!!

I find it rather obnoxiously hilarious that Greg is still trying to play off the ‘no DNA’ or van washing angle after that has been shown FALSE for years now. Think no one of importance or substance would find out you LIE? Keep saying it so you believe it, Greg, while the rest of us grasp reality and the truth. “You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”

Would you have the courage to interview with a reporter and answer truthfully/factually any question about Heidi Allen’s case? Not just prearranged questions. I think not!

Ugg. I don’t know what disturbs me more, that some in Oswego Law Enforcement have less than average intelligence or that some in the public actually believe everything coming from their mouth about Heidi’s case. Looking forward to more of what may come in the media/social media forums.

April 16-17/19

Has WRVO Become the FOX News of Central New York?

 

Ryan Zalduondo a product of SUNY Oswego, Upstate New York's Premier Party School shows off the talents of his education in what appears to be two episodes about the Heidi Allen Case, available on WRVO public radio where he works as an intern.

 

http://www.oswegonylion.com/ryanzalduondo.html

 

April 13/19



Ryan Zalduondo
This wanabe journalist/intern for WRVO recreates the Heidi Allen kidnapping with his own interpretation of the facts and facts which did not exist until he came along. If you have followed the postings and documents on this site and then compare to what has been proffered by WRVO you will quickly see not only has this SUNY Oswego student ignored the facts but he has laced the content with biased comments and conjecture.
 

April 13/19


Zalduondo
What Zalduondo and his peer did on their trip to the north country is up for debate, but once he gets his party school diploma he will not stick around Oswego County to see the fallout from his contrived reporting.

 

April 13/19


 


Shawshank REALLY!!!
Lisa Buske literally compared a non-true story written by Steven King to Gary's case. She obviously isn't very intelligent because in Shawshank Redemption the warden had the man killed who was involved to silence him so the truth about the innocent man did not come out. Lisa you may want to step out of the lime light on this. You aren't intellegent enough with your oopsies to grasp even a made up movie let alone your sisters case. Shawshank Redemption she's using as a reason why Gary must have done it. She says because they all claim they are innocent. Maybe Lisa you may want to brush up on the innocence project before you base your belief off a fake movie. 4 out of 10 who were DNA tested through the innocence project were in deed innocent. Shes really shouldn't be Heidi's spokes-person. The comment she made lol they are all innocent was a line in the movie. Wow lmao just wow Lisa, sit down, everyone's sick of listening to your "OOPSIES". KEEP GOING MR. HEWITT, more to come out. Hang in their folks. https://youtu.be/iySODH0T5jQ

April 9/19

 


Shawshank really Lisa B. Really?

No way, let me tell you a secret about Shawshank you missed then and you missed in your sisters case. The man in Shawshank was innocent. You may want to research your movie and here's a word of advice, don't compare your sisters case to a Steven king movie, LMAO if you are going to make certain you have your facts straight. You made a huge oopsie Lisa Buske you know how many people are laughing right now. WE ALL ARE!!!

April 9/19

 


To Lisa B
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0spucxvMfjE&feature=youtu.be

 This is all we are waiting for. Murder, corruption and lies. Good Lord if you were smart enough to understand the ending of Shawshank Redemption then stay away from your sisters case.

April 9/19

 


Oz’s Shawshank
#1 look you ass Buske, oopsies? That was Gary’s life! #2 Buske....Shawshank Redemption? Andy Duframe was an INNOCENT man, just like Gary! #3 Your ‘pal’ from the SD, was thrown aside, because the public said they were sick of Mo and his lies! Tried to get the public to vote for a criminal for sheriff! We said, “HELL NO! HILTON is Sheriff! #4 Oakes, your mouth, if you keep running it, just might get you disbarred and put in prison! You don’t know who kidnapped Heidi? WTF? No one ever, ever placed Gary the INNOCENT Thibodeau at the scene of the crime! Oakes, this is not over, Buske, no one believes a word you say, maybe liar auntie Martha, but it’s not over!
https://youtu.be/iySODH0T5jQ

 

 April 9/19



Hey Buske, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0spucxvMfjE&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR16zV-fIoNUF6L8vR25pcKiQC0aKZFcieK61LQ7qBPIgnl1IcAKQ76rhGw



Who would have the power?
To run drugs out of the county airport
To control the district attorney and sheriff
To keep the FBI out of the Allen case
To rig juries
To keep the media silent
To make witnesses fear for there lives
To keep criminals out of jail
One name keeps coming back over and over
Barclay Barclay Barclay Barclay

April 6/19


Lies
Barkley knew Thumper was going to kill Vicky. How did he not. The day James Steen went to committ the murders he stopped at a store and ran in to Delbert Shaw and his wife during their conversation James informed Delbert he was on his way to shoot Victoria. Delbert never called the cops to warn her. Instead he and his mentally deranged wife went and followed Steen to the location and parked at the gas station to watch it unfold, but yet Barkley didn't know. Which is an out right lie, Thumper was telling everyone with his big mouth bragging and then did it. Just as he's bragged about Heidi and was involved, any crime he's been involved in his big mouth gives it away. Who is Delbert just another pos who thinks he's a biker and tugs around in the biker crowd with Barney. Nah none of them know each other lol and none of them knew bet your ass the cameras across the street would show Delbert Shaw parked watching it unfold. Sick bastard.

April 2-3/19


File disclosure
Heidi Allen case: Lawyers argue over file disclosure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygOOfGw2ayo
Moody, Were you aware that your exhibit 13A wasn't even received into evidence in the original trial? Pulled a fast one like you tried with the sweatshirt.


 

April 1/19

Who's kidding who....The Heidi Allen Conspiracy
All of the leads, hints, lies & cover ups to this crime leads me to assume who killed her, who covered it up and who died an innocent man.

Why isn't there any suspicion of the "three" about this case from the LE and the DA's office?

You people in Oswego know who was selling coke, going to the airport 3-4 am, what cops were involved in the murder and coverup for the "three" that in my opinion are guilty.


Why were the actions taken by the OCSD to avoid their arrest of these guys.....simple they would have turned states evidence and hung some of the people Steen called the "big big guys."
How could you possibly listen to these guys, JW, MB, Johnathon about the Heidi text to Steen and a million other things and not have your investigation follow up on this.
The problem is, there isn't any evidence to dispute their actions. They knew they would go to prison if the "three" talked.

But maybe not over yet. Maybe someone who knows they should do the right thing will come forward.

Why no $20k reward still there? Did Bivens get it?

I am still not 100% sold on the time changes, confusion, contradictory stories.

7:40 to 8 am is a long time to fake, with a lot of events going on.

Why did Stinson go to the store on Easter Sunday and yet saw NOTHING?

Why didn't Swenkowski say he saw him there? Didn't they work at the same place..did they know each other?

Why did they let JW walk away after she gave them enough to at least follow up on...but they did not do so.

Mr. Bivens you have to live with yourself....worry everyday something may pop up that gets you and all the others...EVERYDAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!!!

Of course one of them may get scared and turn to the FBI to save his own neck.

You guys think no one has talked to them...think again. Your best friend is going to hang you. May not be a coworker ....just a citizen out for the truth.

Hang in there, Lisa P. is not finished yet...this could become very big.

TIC TOC TIC TOC....... FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES!!!
 

April 1/19

 


 

 

 

 

 

March 29-30/19


Heidi Allen: Trial Freed One Thibodeau, Convicted Another
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2019/03/27/heidi-allen-case--

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March 29-30/19

Bivens
Damn shame the jurors only considered this 'expert' witnesses testimony elicited from the prosecution. Didn't even consider all the contradictions learned from Defense questioning.
 

March 26/19

 


WHAAAAA!!!!
WOW, to the Rob poster. You really have a bone to pick with this guy. He must have been picked before you in kickball in 6th grade and you just can’t get over it. Or maybe you are a little short in the “man” department and are so jealous of him it’s eating you alive. Or maybe that bartender wouldn’t give you a second look cuz you’re a dumbass! Or maybe he is more popular in your shared circle of friends, which you have made clear by all your “first-hand accounts” of what happens. Whatever the reason, get over it little man. Nobody cares that he took your ball and sent you home crying.

March 26/19

 


Bartender
This is what Greg’s “Statement of Facts” said, “The testimony of Mary Ann Montgomery was struck by the Appellate Division, and therefore, is not included in this statement of facts.”

This is the decision of the Appellate division to strike the testimony-“Admission of the testimony of the barmaid concerning defendant's statements to her did not violate the hearsay rule (see, Prince, Richardson on Evidence §§ 8-201, 8-202 [Farrell 11th ed.] ).   The evidence nonetheless falls within the exclusionary rule of People v. Molineux, 168 N.Y. 264, 291-294, 61 N.E. 286.   Although the evidence tended to establish the identity of defendant and his brother as the kidnappers, as well as their complicity and intent, the slight probative value of the evidence on those issues was outweighed by its prejudicial impact (see, People v. Allweiss, 48 N.Y.2d 40, 47, 421 N.Y.S.2d 341, 396 N.E.2d 735).   There is a danger here that the jury viewed the evidence as establishing defendant's criminal bent or character as an abductor of young women (see, People v. Hudy, 73 N.Y.2d 40, 54-55, 538 N.Y.S.2d 197, 535 N.E.2d 250;  People v. Crandall, 67 N.Y.2d 111, 500 N.Y.S.2d 635, 491 N.E.2d 1092).   We nonetheless conclude that the admission of the evidence, together with the failure of the People to give notice of their intention to use it (see generally, People v. Ventimiglia, 52 N.Y.2d 350, 361-362, 438 N.Y.S.2d 261, 420 N.E.2d 59), is harmless error.   There is overwhelming evidence of defendant's guilt and no significant probability that the jury would have acquitted defendant but for the error (see, People v. Crimmins, 36 N.Y.2d 230, 241-242, 367 N.Y.S.2d 213, 326 N.E.2d 787).

This is some of the testimony this witness gave during the trial:

Hmm.....Prejudicial, prosecution failed to give notice of using this witness, she testified that her sworn police statement was inaccurate. Who cares, though, that this testimony should not have been legally allowed to be presented to the jury while other evidence should have, aka exculpatory evidence like the fact that Heidi gave LE names of drug dealers, that her CI card was dropped in the very parking lot where she worked and that LE had partial fingerprints in their very own file.

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This may not be the best or only example from Greg's filing....way to go, Greg, using struck testimony to bolster your case with the Appeal.
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March 23-25/19

 

 




VOTE RAMSEY
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Liz is utterly oblivious to Rob’s flirting and screwing. Don't let the looks of the pretty petit beauty fool you. They have been hooking up together and not at the Dunsmore Elizabeth Lake. Hard to believe but completely true. The only thing that I can think of is that it has to be his badge or he has a big d*ck because he is one short ugly motherf**ker.
what I do know is that Liz controls the Rob Ramsey household and calls all the shots. Rob managed to go undetected for several years before she found out that he was in love with another woman. She continues to blame his friends of covering up for him. When she found out the first time Rob was screwing around, she rendered him helpless and made sure to remind him everyday that everything they had together was listed in her name; the house, cars, boat, bank account and threatened to take everything, leaving him with nothing. This woman can be frightening. When she gets on one of her mad at Rob nights, her right eye bulges out, she turns green, and her head starts to spin uncontrollably with that annoying laugh of hers, and suddenly you feel like you are in the movie the Exorcists. It is some scary shit. Lizzy is obsessively aggressive and puts the feeble man on a very tight leash. The same stories over and over again. “Rob caught cheating” “Liz has another mental break down” “Liz threatens to leave Rob” “Rob bows down to her dominance” “Stay clear of her wrath, she is at it again.” "Rob has no balls"
VOTE RAMSEY

March 23-25/19




Mr. S didn’t see anyone in the van. Mr. S didn’t see defendant in van.

Gary “made no admissions” as testified by inmates and written in court papers. There was no physical evidence linking Heidi to either brother on April 3, 1994, yet the Appellate Division found ‘overwhelming evidence in contradiction to alibi witnesses’?

Mrs. Duell testified to several register transactions during that morning and from police notes provided by Greg’s filing for the Hearing, we see other purchases not specifically testified to. She testified to the register being turned on at 4:06am on April 3, 1994. She had the register tape to refer her testimony to.

Witness on route 104 hears Richards van go by toward the store and within a half hour hears Richards van go by again.

Richard sees Heidi, makes his purchase, and leaves as Mr. S is leaving. Goes home to family as they prepare to have Easter Holiday at another relatives.

Mr. Stinson didn’t see any customers at the store when he got there. He didn’t see anyone grab Heidi. Mr. Stinson notices register time/wall clock time and personal time differed.

Inmates claim this is what they ‘gathered’ from asking Gary questions as they were eavesdropping on his home phone calls; they claim that Richard and Gary took Heidi from the store to near Gary’s house “to talk to her” because they thought she was going to screw Gary on something. They claim that Richard (alone) went back to drop Heidi at the store, left again but forgot to get cigarettes then went back to get them. They claim Gary was upset about the furnace being confiscated and “teeth burning” so that must be what happened to Heidi. They also claim that he chopped her up with an army fold-up type shovel and buried her on his property. **What is that date that the army fold-up shovel was mentioned in the news? April 25, 1994. Wonder how many people thought that shovel was connected to Heidi. LE wasn’t saying and Gary and Richard hadn’t been arrested though they knew they were being investigated? HHmmm, interesting timeline of events. The inmates made their statements at the beginning of July 1994? And LE testified that no shovel of that type was confiscated from Gary’s property.**

I’d be interested to know who the jurors ‘thought’ were disinterested witnesses to be believed. How many witnesses testified to LE having them sign statements which were not entirely true?

One neighbor didn’t like Gary. One neighbor contradicted his brother (younger sibling testifies to not seeing Richard’s van at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994 when both were outside in the morning hours). One witness changes his testimony vs his signed affidavit—called an ‘expert witness’ because he worked in an auto parts store but changes his description several times of the vehicle he saw AND tries to plead the 5th when asked about insurance claim forms AND says during testimony, “I don’t want to send an innocent man away”. One witness had sketchy past with a girlfriend. Two witnesses were criminals (that received a ‘deal’ in contradiction to what the ADA led the community and judges to ‘believe’). Don’t even get me started on the contradictions and withholding from the LE witnesses. One witness should have not been allowed to testify to begin with. Timeline doesn’t fit with “facts” like testimony of when the register was turned on vs when Heidi arrived to work. Timeline doesn’t fit with transactions at the store vs what the inmates testified to.

Dodd must have a powerful presence to pull the wool over the jurors’ eyes to get the conviction. He had ‘psychological effect’ on his side. Ergo, having the jurors go to the garage to see the van even though there was testimony to no link. Ergo, having the FBI agent partially testify about what was found in the furnace and soot piles. Ergo, presenting a shovel which matches the description testified by the inmates that wasn’t even confiscated from the Thibodeau’s. ‘What if, what if…we don’t want to let this guy get away with it’. Lest we forget, “I don’t have to prove”. I’m “not turning over everything” nor saying what I’m not turning over. Drive by the store, Rice Road or any place mentioned with this case and tell me you don’t ‘feel something’? That would be psychological effect.


Prosecutorial Misconduct _

False Identification _

Snitch Testimony _ RECIPE FOR FALSE CONVICTION

Flawed Forensic Evidence _

 

 

 




March 23-25/19

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
We didn't press Jenn like we should have....she knew stuff that would have hung us. After all she was interrogated after she was offered immunity

roger couldn't account for one hour of where he was on Easter Morning..o'well who cares.

Richard said he couldn't account for an hour..Richard said..BS! And gave a depo to explain where he was.

No cabins, Never were any cabins...oh look! There's a cabin!

MB had a white van the day of the kidnapping. Maybe he'll let me borrow it to go fishing.

Where the hell am I gonna find some snitches in Oswego custody. Wit, Gary is from MA. That's it, that's what we'll do.

Ocsd deputy lied on the stand...nothing happened. Gary's wife didn't and she was taken to court for it...hmmmmmmm.

MB got a DA DWI file faxed to him? Must have been a mis-dial, but the fax reports has the time, date, to who and how many pages. Forget, we don't need it, not for this case.

Jenn confessed that she lied. Girls will be girls, let it go before it becomes something important.

GT wasn't seen at the store that day...well stupid make something up.

The vans the vans.."after 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans...was she pressed to give up more? Nope just asked who told her that. Roger and Tracy..J W.

So here's a big piece of evidence that got buried. Oh I mean another piece f evidence that got buried.

Did anyone ever hear of the OCSD interrogating James Steen about the Heidi Allen crime?

And the lies go on. Usually they lead to an arrest....TICK TOCK< TICK TOCK!


March 23-25/19

 

 



Ramsey
Rob certainly has a thing for bartenders. Especially the petite young beauty at the bar he frequents. Too bad for him it takes more than a badge to impress some women. I’ve watched him make moves on her even with his wife present more times than not. Apparently Robs brain is too small to comprehend that she’s not interested, the expression on her face says it all! Liz either doesn’t care or is completely oblivious to it all. Some of us men know that if she’s young enough to be our daughter , you can look but don’t touch. Shame on you Rob!

March 22/19

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sens
THE VAN
Here's your answer to the van it was white, off white and rusted. It was gray in spots and the entire inside was red scuff. All of the descriptions were correct. Notice none of them ever claimed it had a huge black stripe. The van was being prepped for paint. It was having body work done. The blue van towed from Gary's was a distraction to the white van they pulled off from valley road.
Never noticed that no one mentioned anything about seeing stripes on the van.
Woman from Fulton saw van behind her in Mexico but said it was light blue...hmmmm.
No one will ever convince me that some of the OCSD deputies were not selling coke and were not involved with the murder and cover up of Heidi Allen.
Not to mention the railroading of an innocent person.
Will the 2 deputies that stopped a car back then, found coke, took the coke and let the guy go...please step forward. True story.

March 22/19

 

 


The Van
The Van on Valley Road was blue. I have a picture of it.
I posted it once on Facebook...and the cops came a knocking....
 

March 21/19


THE VAN
Here's your answer to the van it was white, off white and rusted. It was gray in spots and the entire inside was red scuff. All of the descriptions were correct. Notice none of them ever claimed it had a huge black stripe. The van was being prepped for paint. It was having body work done. The blue van towed from Gary's was a distraction to the white van they pulled off from valley road.

March 20/19

 


To the person speaking for ALL
You do not speak for me and nor do you speak for many others that have an out right dislike for the Sheriffs. You may be an ass kisser but not every citizen is. Next time make sure you speak souly for yourself the lies the sheriff's have told have given them a terrible reputation. I do not know what county you live in but in OZ, your idea of you speaking for everyone is pathetic and it's dead wrong. Making assumptions in OZ, smh...seems that's what the sheriff's and the DA already do. Just ask the Thibodeau family.

March 20/19

 



Gary Thibodeau...the Death Of Common Sense
" they brought her to my house in Mikes white van"....Jenn W.

" I borrowed Mikes white van after he had it repaired. Used it to scrap". Man admitting to using MB's white van.

This is stated in the articles from Porch light. If I remember correctly.

I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT VAN? DID IT ALSO END UP IN CANADA?

WAS THE BLUE VAN A DIVERSION AND THE WHITE VAN CRUSHED TO GET RID OF EVIDENCE?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT WHITE VAN...MIKE?

March 19/19


Shovel
Plant? It's obvious by the 94 news reports the sheriff's brought an army folded shovel out of an investigators vehicle with muscle or tissue on it. When asked why they had it. The Sheriffs declined to speak to the reporters. This shovel they brought out and got caught with had no connection to the kidnapping. None. It was apparently one they claim they borrowed, my question for what purpose would you need a second shovel, in one investigation, if they found one on Thibodeau property. That first one on Thibodeau property ruled out there was no connection. Funny a second one appears. Why else would they have it? The Sheriffs have given no answers to anything they've done.
 

March 17/19

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To Brian Hewitt

Mike Bohere got a Da's DWI file faxed to him. I believe he got it to talk to Bivens about changing his mind about saying RT's vana was not the van he saw.

Changed his mind in court didn't he?....right after MB got the fax.

Why would MB get a fax from the DA's office?

IMO I believe some deputies etc were selling coke and thought Heidi was going to go to the FBI etc.

The "Three" allegedly were hired to get rid of her and cover the entire truth.

Just my opinion but think about it and all the other events..J. Barkely denying the text, Roger, MB and Steen bragging about killing her to TEN different people.

MB's white van never investigates even after a person said he had borrowed it to junk after MB had it repaired.

Jail snitch now ready to change his story, time line at the store etc.

No one seeing Gary there.

Gary wasn't the criminal, some of the OCSD and others were.

March 15-16/19

 


Plant??
Someone once asked that if Gary was framed and/or railroaded, why wasn’t something planted?

Several answers---

First being that eventually something was but not in the sense that the item was physically linked to the Thibodeau’s or to Heidi. And that item was…an army fold-up shovel.

Richard’s van forensically tested April 9, 1994

April 1994 during ground searching, reporter witnesses a shovel in a law enforcement vehicle. Law enforcement refuses to comment at the time.

April 28, 1994 - Richards van is again searched because of being seen at a car wash. Carpet piece cut out, law enforcement seize piece and forensically test for DNA.

Police notes per the DA’s filing for the hearing show that an army fold-up shovel was found during ground searching on Levitt (Leavitt) Road.

Gary’s property searched and furnace confiscated June 1994

Gary’s property searched July 1994, after inmates gave statements

Per trial testimony from Sheriff and the FBI agent, “no morphological details to suggest human origin” was found in the furnace or soot piles, no army fold-up shovel was confiscated from Gary’s property and no connection between Heidi and Gary was found.

SO, Why was the ____ shovel even admitted into the trial? Why were the jurors allowed to go to the Sheriff’s garage to see the van if there had been testimony from several law enforcement that there was no connection to Heidi? I’ll tell you why___ Psychological Effect___. The ADA had nothing so they had to make the case emotional. Which wasn’t very difficult considering the gravity of the situation and how many people were personally affected. First and foremost, Heidi’s connection to a judge. Why do you think it took so many perspective jurors to seat the 12 + 4 alt’s? Even now, after all that has come out about the trials back in 1995 and the hearing in 2015, why are unbiased people able to look at the evidence, or lack of as the case may be, to see that they are innocent? Unbiased people have nothing to lose or gain either way. What did law enforcement have to lose or gain? Pride, promotion??

*If only the CRB had come to a conclusion from the totality of information the police and DA’s office had from this case instead of the cherry picked, biased information sent to them. Look at the incomplete “Statement of Facts” that Greg filed. Should have read “Prosecutions Presentation to Affirm Conviction” or “Statement of Prosecution Facts” or “Statement of Some Facts”. As a percentage, how much of the “Statement of Facts” was just testimony from the prosecutions side vs the defense side?*

March 15-16/19

 


Lies to the Appellate Division--Gregory Oakes


 



 

March 15-16/19

 


Hindisght 20/20 when you don't have all the facts/evidence/proof
Biased filing…wouldn’t expect anything less from a DA who can’t take the blinders off or who is easily manipulated.

I realize the case before the Court was about Gary….Oakes does mention, though, that separate trials where held and Gary was convicted. Why not mention that the other trial resulted in an acquittal?

Minor detail-Mr. Swenszkowski “recalls the van plate number…”PU”…”55”….” You do know that Dodd was quoted in the news in 1994 giving Richards plate number publicly. You do also know that he testified that he was only in the store a couple minutes, tops, and opened his pack of cigarettes before he began leaving the store lot? Something I find rather….intriguing-Mr. Swenszkowki’s testimony of the van being parallel to the store but yet, shortly after, the van moved to the outer pump (when Richard didn’t even purchase gas) to where Bivens supposedly saw the altercation.?

“Mrs. Fabian positively identified Richards van as the van she saw swerving”. Based solely on a front view and witness massaging….? Nice touch, Dodd. Most of your witnesses were not “Positive” until trial. Like Bivens, Mrs. Fabian, Ms. Montgomery (whose testimony was stricken by the same Appellate Division past decision in which Oakes is using as an argument to oppose a new trial or exoneration..

“In the absence of any other

explanation, the jury could have reasonably concluded that the female voice

belonged to Heidi Allen.”…How about this for another explanation….the female voice was Sharon Thibodeau. OR the “witnesses” didn’t hear the arguing on April 3. Kind of like how they supposedly saw Richards van at Gary’s on April 3 when it was really on April 9 when Richard picked Gary up to help search.
 

March 15-16/19

 


Gary Thibodeau..The Death Of Common Sense
- Why would an inv. and DA Oakes interrogate Jenn W. about the taped phone call after Oakes told Tonya it was useless.

- Funny thing is, the inv. were telling Tonya what questions to ask Jenn!!!!

- How the hell did MB get a fax from the DA's office/ DWI file? I think this and the other 500 things show this was a cover up. Wouldn't the OCSD inv. this and find out...may have been a good clue.

- After Jenn told them they brought Heidi to her house in MIKE BOHERE'S VAN why wasn't his van searched, tested or processed for DNA, hair etc.?
Seems like this would have been a good place to start, but they said they couldn't find or didn't know if MB even owned a van. Try the DMV...they have records.
Or ask the guy who said he borrowed it after MB had it repaired.

- Can you all see that some of the OCSD deputies and others were involved in this murder? They didn't screw the inv. up by accident, it was done as a cover up.

THIS IS SO OBVIOUS IT'S ALMOST FUNNY. TWO PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES SO THE DEPUTIES WOULD NOT GET CAUGHT.

" I'LL NEVER DO ANY TIME FOR WHAT WE DID TO HEIDI"...James Steen
"I know more about this case than the OCSD does"...James Steen
"After 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans"...Jenn Wescott
" They told me they took care of her in a van"..Jenn Wescott
" Heidi was never a CI ( just because her CI card had her name, code name doesn't prove a thing. another cover up.
" I don't know who sent that text to Mike the morning of the murders...I only own the phone. anyone could have used it. Didn't he say he was partying at James Steen's house the nite before? CYA Heidi tells me he knew James Steen was involved in her murder.

- You have to talk to Roger's wife...Jenn Wescott
- Roger and Tracy told me...Jenn Wescott
- Richard couldn't account for an hour on Easter Sunday. Richard said he never said that. And who could kidnap, kill and get rid of a body in one hour? Deputy is a liar.

- County issued cars going into the airport at 3-4 am...I was told to my face that the coke was coming in from the airport.

---- and there is so much more. AND THIS IS NOT OVER. LISA MAY WIN THE WRONGFUL DEATH SUIT WHICH MEANS SHE AS A FEDERAL DEFENDER MAY BE ABLE TO GET THE FBI INVOLVED.

****** YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COULD PUT YOU AWAY AND FIND JUSTICE FOR HEIDI & GARY? THEY ARE WALKING AROUND OSWEGO, FULTON, MEXICO ETC.

YOU BETTER HOPE SOMEONE'S GUILT DOESN'T GET TO THEM AND THEY GO TO THE FBI.

WE all hope you get inv. and go to prison.

A LOT OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH AND CAN HELP SOLVE THIS COVER UP.

PLEASE CALL LISA PEEBLES.

DO THE RIGHT THING.

THE FBI WILL PROTECT YOU AND YOU WILL LIVE IN PEACE FOR DOING SO.
 

March 15-16/19

 

 


Heidi Allen...to be continued
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhhuuY7p92w


Thank you, Brian, for continuing to post videos about this….
To answer your question about it making sense, it won’t because Johnathan Barkley IS A LIAR (just like Jennifer Wescott and a multitude of deputies involved with investigating this case) There’s none of this ‘the deputy is trying to make him look like a liar’ he was caught. Mr., you ARE A LIAR. And if you were to understand psychology, your reaction was typical deflection and agitation because Pietroski got you to tell the truth even though you initially LIED and the public can hear for themselves his lies. (Psychology appears to be above some people’s mental capacity, especially with the case of a missing young woman from their own community) Some of us do know how 2 + 1 = 4.
This witness was answering questions from an Oswego County Sheriff’s deputy with the least amount of integrity, only being beaten by the DA Greg. Whole bunch of CYA going on from the witnesses and law enforcement over the past 6 years. “Be on your way, Sir, and don’t talk to anyone about this case.” Same for Jennifer?
Pietroski and Greg are the DIRECT reasons that the truth about Heidi has not come out publicly. They lack the integrity to correctly piece the puzzle. Oh, “WE” know that Gary and Richard did not kidnap Heidi! “We” know that far better leads have come the past 6+ years. “We” are better investigators than those paid to find what happened or Where’s Heidi. Is there, finally, someone amongst the ranks that can show some character and integrity? Look at the evidence and the record and Investigate This Properly!!

March 8/19

 


Conspiracy or just more lies by Greg
I have access to the original messages if any officer would actually like to do their job. Here's the messages and its content. Is it a conspiracy or just flipping highly unusual the same names keep popping up in repeated deaths?
"Do you you remember when Murtagh was telling everyone he knew something and was going to bring Heidi home? I talked to Lisa Peebles because I always suspected Murtagh in the death of my brother. My mom received a call from John Obrein, that Murtagh claimed my brother dug a deep hole for Thumper, (aka James Steen) and that's probley where Heidi is. Lisa and John both knew he was lying, that's when Lisa and John told me rumor has it Thumper shot my brother. Jenn and Roger can rot, I was friends with both of them, I thought they were my brothers friends they kept me close so I wouldn't dig and told me crap all these years. (Attempted to convince the messenger that the victim did commit suicide.) They fn lived with me, I took Roger in and they betrayed me."
Just know messenger you aren't alone for your search for the truth to your loved one. I hope you, along with my own family some day have that truth and justice they and you deserve.

February 9/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Above the law...reply

This case was NOT botched.

Think:

- Cty issued vehicles in and out of the airport 4-5 am per the neighbors
- Deputy lied on the stand
- Jenn Westcott told the story and King closed the book on her

- EVERYONE who saw a van said it was blue or it was not the same van as Richards
- CI or not CI. One deputy who ran that area said she was.
- Is parking in front of your brothers house a crime?
- No DNA, etc in the van
- Mike Bohere gets FAX from the DA's DWI file... this shows that someone in the DA's office or the OCSD was involved in her murder.
- I still believe the some OCSD were involved because they were selling coke and sent the fax so MB would go talk to Bivens to change his mind about the van and get a favor from the Sheriff's office
- Files breached
- witnesses massaged to tell a different story
- MB hearing about the bracelet that Heidi had hid and then it turns up ten years later....
- Deputy lied when he said RT had no explanation for an hour that day...well neither did Breckingridge
- watch the JW interrogation. They did nothing with the info...dog n pony show.
- Impossible for the bros. to take her, talk to her and return her in the time line.
- Richard was seen at the store by Swenkowski but Gary was not....no one saw a kidnapping except Pierce ( who was discredited by King ) and Bivens who's story is a lie.
- The ( three ) each admitting to doing it but no investigation of them.
- Time line at the store...I still have my doubts about who, what and when.
- and Judge King stopping Lisa every chance he got.

My take: Some of the OCSD were selling drugs. Heidi found out and maybe said something.
MB, Breckenridge and Steen were hired to get her and would be helped by some of the OCSD to cover up the crime to also save their necks.

_ Now add in Oakes who told lisa.." I don't have a lot of confidence in the OCSD investigation."
Later changed his mind and said he did...because someone got to him and sat him down for a talk.

Gary is innocent. Some members of the OCSD and others are GUILTY!!!!!!!
 

February 9/18


Dancing with Bohrer
Mr. Greg Oakes is running for re election. God granted 3 to 4 others run against him. A part of that change everyone wanted was not just the Sheriff Dept., but the District Attorneys office. The county needs 3 to 4 candidates to run, to put Greg in a bad spot, he will be in a run for, his livelihood. This year is going to be fun, because Karma comes in many forms. Seeing as you took the life and livelihood of another, Gary Thibodeau. I wonder how you'll feel when the people vote all of you dirty politicians out of office. Because it's already happened. It'll continue to escalate to the point your careers are done. Just ask Sullivan. He knows!!! Gary's anniversary of his death, the disappearance of Heidi Allen anniversary is coming at the begining the middle and hopefully at the end of your campaign, the damage of the life you have destroyed will in turn destroy you. No one supports you, Greg. Unless they have some way of getting a political gain.
Here's one example of an online public post, I can't copy and paste thousands but this poster alone, said what we all are thinking; Mark Sherman; "Tell them that Oakes sucks and has to go. I will vote for his opponent if he is republican candidate." Mark Sherman you are not alone, he does suck. Others are requesting his arrest. "This scum should be locked away," another poster wrote.
I second that, I know many who will 3rd, 4th, 5th,.so on...1000th that vote.
 

February 7-8/18


Michael Bohrer
Really, Mrs. Sturtz, Rick Benningfield suspected Mike Bohrer. And you didn’t believe his suspicions why? Clearly he was an unbiased person. Which can’t be said for people who are trying to cover the incompetence of fellow officers. Mrs. Sturtz goes on to admit that the family intentionally kept it hidden about Heidi’s brush with the law and fact that she was giving law enforcement names of people who were selling drugs.

Is Mr. Benningfield still alive? Wonder if anyone tried to reach him for a statement. Rephrase, wonder if the defense tried…because the Sheriff’s don’t give a crap about who truly kidnapped Heidi….Hopefully though, the new Sheriff’s administration will look into this case, among others.

While it is a little comfort knowing that GOD shall punish those for ‘bearing false witness’ against thy neighbor, it is heartbreaking that it’s satisfactory to just have a conviction, now, for many of Heidi’s family and friends.

I follow another local missing person case and see drastic differences in how they act in finding/wanting the Truth about their loved one.

Dodd weaved a pretty good story, though. Telling people just what they wanted to hear. “We are 99.9% certain” Gary and Richard acted together…. 99.9% certain only got one conviction, why was that??? Could the answer be because it was impossible….I, for one, am glad that Richard’s jurors could see the evidence and weaved story for what it was….not amounting to the truth!!

 

December 17-18/18



Asking for a friend..
Big ol Barney refused then to answer any further questions. Why he was ever cleared by Wheeler is beyond mosts understanding, follow the coke and the money. Wheeler was so terrified to answer any of Peebles questions he took off running when he saw her investigator coming and I'll quote him he said, "You people want to put me in prison." Well yes officer, yes we do. He then ran and locked himself behind a door, none of them will answer any questions. Not even the Sheriff's and DA Oakes or Moody, don't ask them a damn thing all they do is lie, sounds just like Barney and Wheeler. See attached, also take note a witness caught a red truck and innocent Brett Law at the store that morning parked side by side. Maybe Brett needs to come clean about his friendship to Barney, but then again he to refuses to answer any further questions. If not I personally can lead the new sheriff straight to a common friend of theirs so he knows these boys are all full of shit. Including Jeremy Powers who is linked to the same union as bad ass biker bitch Barney. Dig, Hilton it's all there, maybe Powers the mysterious cabin digger should come clean on who his neighbor is and who, was in the woods and how that neighbor of his "Chucky" links straight to Roger Breckenridge. All friends all linked all can be proven if Hilton was to pull up one thing the law suit Chucky faced by Breckenridges 2 nephews Mike West and Harry West he will see the link. Oakes did Steen ever live on Powers property? Jeremy tisk tisk you truly think no one knows? Please bud he lived smack dab between you and Chucky for several years in a bright blue mobile home with an old lady relative of yours. Hilton may want to interrogate you himself seeing as the nimrod sheriff's couldn't figure that all out but Chucky LOL is with Rogers relative, go have coffee Jeremy and warn Chucky the cats out of the bag. Chucky, Debbie Vechio pointed right at your house she watched you two nimrods enter your front door. One form is all Hilton needs the law suits from the west family to prove the connection they used Alexander and Catalono one broke their ankle and one broke his hip on the job both walked away w wads of cash. Takes a real officer to hunt down facts. These are all facts, Jeremy best hope Hilton doesn't connect the dots. Chucky you also have explaining to do. Asking for a friend who is your significant other, wouldn't happen to be Breckenridge sister.



 

November 17/18

 

 

 

 

Here is a picture of a van that was posted on this web.

Look bluish white with dark doors and a stripe that can be seen in the back?

Is this the van Bivens said twice that he saw? Is this the van Mrs. Fabin saw and said it was lt. blue swerving behind her in Mexico?

Jenn  " there were two vans".

Blue to kidnap her and white to get rid of her.

So why was the OCSD so adamant about it being white?

Because Richard had a white van?  Oh yeah I think it was.

 

October 18/18

 

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
I am going to post this again because I really believe this is why MB got a fax about Bivens' DWI case and Bivens changed his story about the van in court.

Bohere gets a fax from the DA's DWI file.

It's about Bivens' DWI case.

Bohere talks to Bivens and confronts him that if you help them convict Gary by changing your story of the van you saw, maybe they'll drop your DWI charge.

Why would Bohere get a fax about Bivens' DWI charge...think about it.

Then connect the dots of OCSD cars going into the airport at 3-4 am and the fact they did everything they could NOT to arrest the " three" other guys even after Jenn gave them all the info they needed.

LE knew who to protect, who was getting kick backs to ignore drug deals, who was selling it.
 

October 16/18

 

 


Thank you Mr. Stinson
I'm trying to reconcile who owned a two tone Bronco and a red pickup truck that a witness claimed were in the D&W parking lot at or around 7:45am.

They didn't belong to Mr. Swenszkowski, Mrs. Granger, you. Mr. Wiltse, at the 7:39am transaction time, testified to no other cars being there and seeing the red car before he left.

There are police notes/leads that have been made public that just might explain who the vehicles could have belonged to. One of them could have belonged to the "probably suspect" person on April 14, 1994. Curiously, the person who claimed to have seen the 2 vehicles around 7:45am made his statement on April 13, 1994 after a 're -interview', if I remember correctly. But that person was already named on a lead from Mr. Allen previous to this witness' interview. What time did Brett Law leave the store? He testified to 6:35am but Lisa Buske's book said he left at 7:15am. Is that what you remember from reading "Where's Heidi?"?

Curious how Brett was ruled out. According to police notes, Brett's Bronco was white and brown. Was it simply because of the time he said he left? I don't recall if the D&W co-owner that testified at the Hearing confirmed what time Brett left. It did come to light in the trial that Brett assaulted an ex-gf and didn't treat Heidi very well, from witness statements. I'm also curious how Heidi's diaries/day planners were used in Richard's trial vs not being available for Mr. Fahey to peruse himself when they came to light during Gary's sentencing.

When looking at a crime such as this where it appears that Heidi had to have been lured out of the store, either by someone she knew or a customer that was having trouble at a pump, someone with a motive would seem more plausible rather than someone that had no link to Heidi.?.

Something that I have a REALLY hard time wrapping my head around is...How can Heidi's family still trust law enforcement, Dodd, Oakes and Todd specifically, when they are firm to the belief that the inmates were telling the truth that Heidi and Gary had a drug relationship? It just doesn't fit, especially with what came out with Brett Law's most recent interview to police.

Clearly the times were off. But by how much? 2 minutes, 5 minutes 10 minutes? Time enough for some people to meet up in the parking lot for a drug deal as police were told happened?

Has anyone else considered the vehicle placement from Bivens, Mr. Pierce and that 7:45am lead? Doesn't Bivens testify that the van was parked perpendicular to the store near the single front door? What sense would that make for anyone who was brazen enough to kidnap another person during daytime, on a Holiday when people would be driving the streets to go to church or to relatives' houses, to park perpendicular when the vehicle could have been used to obstruct view?


October 13/18



Nervous??
The good ol boys should be nervous. Seeing as there is a lack of common sense in the Sheriff Department and the DA Office, they may comprehend one thing. Hilton's victory was "we the people" coming for you. It was their way of saying after watching the drugs, the deaths, the lies, the murders, the injustice seep through every cranny of oz, we the people flipped you the bird. Many that night made phone calls to others, many laughed their asses off when Hilton won, we knew your time was done. Many cried that night a flicker of hope was all they needed and the hope rests in Hilton's hands. So Sheriffs it's time for a deep cleaning after the death of Gary Thibodeau and the many sick things you've done to others, we pray the ones who intentionally did this, spend the remainder of their lives behind bars. Many also hope Greg Oakes, Moody, Petrowski are lead from the department in cuffs by federal authorities with Dodd and both Todd's in shackles, just as they did to Gary Thibodeau, don't forget to lead them down the stairs Gary fell down. Times ticking. Some day, you'll run out of time, maybe it'll kick off in 2019. If so enjoy your holiday. May it be your last free world holiday you ever spend not behind bars. Shaking in your boots I hear, good it's time the fear you've sent out in to the community haunts you, until it catches up with you and the last words you hear are you have the right to remain silent. Hilton's standing at the gates of Oz, point blank hell, if he listens to Johnny Cash he will remember this when he faces the reality of Oz, we can only hope he never backs down https://youtu.be/N8i5NLyXZdc

 

October 13/18




Enough said..

One or two jurors were wrong. Hung jury, how funny, so which one of the bunch swayed the jury?

 

October 13/18



Is Bivens color blind?
Reading about this Bivens is the 2nd 0r 3rd witness to say the van was light blue.

Mrs. Fabin in a statement about a van behind her said the same thing.
Bivens stated wrong van twice and then after they showed him pictures of it he changed his mind in court and helped convict an innocent man.

Just wondering would this swing in his testimony be held up in court?
Twice he denied it and it still held up.

And all this time Mike Bohere had a white van. What happened to it?
Was it crushed, sold, given away?

I think I remember the OCSD said they couldn't find any record of him owning a white van just weeks after the crime.

A person testified to Mike letting him use it to scrap.

AND NO INVESTIGATION OF THIS...EVER!

And of course there wasn't any cover up in this crime.

Please contact the OCSD with any info and they will shred it as soon as they get it.

Do you remember Tonya on TV saying she was getting death threats? From who? Gary was in prison and he wouldn't do it any way, she was helping him.

Guess who.

October 13/18

 

Before contacting the OCSD you might want to wait until after the first of the year when the new sheriff takes over.

This sheriff has yet to show any interest in getting to the truth.
 

 

 

 

Today's Quote October 12/2018

The smallest deed is better than the greatest intention. John Burroughs
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_burroughs_120946

The smallest deed is better than the greatest intention.

John Burroughs

 

Bivens
There has to be a reason he would go along with what Dodd and the police told him.
Though I hate to agree with Mike Bohrer as he is a piece of shit...he was right about Bivens' first statement being closest to the truth. His testimony certainly wasn't truthful. Page 1297 of the trial transcript, Bivens first mentions that male 2 had a limp. If that was correct, that would make Richard (according to the 'theory') as the person holding Heidi. How tall was Richard? Noticeably shorter than Heidi.

Gary's verdict failed all the rules the judge gave to them. Check the partial judges instructions posted here on September 27, 2018.

Have ya'll carefully considered the leads that were posted in Lisa Peebles' filing? https://www.scribd.com/document/244161048/Part-3-Thibodeau-Response-to-DA-in-Heidi-Allen-Case
 

October 12/18



From Gary "the Innocent" Thibodeau
https://www.facebook.com/FREEGARYTHIBODEAU/

October 20, 2018 @ 2pm-Meet and greet

 

October 12/18



Stephen Miller's 3rd Grade Teacher Calls Him 'A Strange Dude' Who Ate Glue
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bbe815de4b0b27cf47a54b9

 

October 12/18

 



Stinson answers
Stinson was driving a little grey car. Make and model not remembered. I've owned three. I know it wasn't the first (Ford escort), the wife totaled that while the kids were still young enough to hang upside down in car seats, I know it wasn't the third one (Chevy Lumina), the youngest was old enough to total that one, Yup, had to be the second one. Funny what we do remember.
 

October 12/18

 



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Death of common sense:

Example #1. If Bivens says he saw a man with a girl in a bear hug and the OCSD and Dodd and Oakes are adamant about Richard and Gary as the true suspects, consider this.

Swenkowski testified to seeing Richard there, even had to swerve around his van as they were both leaving the parking lot...his testimony.

#1. If it were Richard's van with Gary, then at the time Swenkowski was leaving, Swenkowski should have seen the crime...which he did not.

#2. Bivens should have seen a red sports car that Swenkowski was driving, but he didn't.

How can that be? Saw a van but not a red sports car next to it?

And why didn't he say he saw a red car? Because he didn't.

He didn't because both Richard and Swenkowski both left and Bivens saw a van that came in after this and he watched a kidnapping.

My hunch has always been someone came after Richard left and grab Heidi.

And I remember reading Steen said ...we just got lucky, a van was there just before us.

I think he told that to Tonya and after that I believe Tonya said Thumper there is an innocent man sitting in prison. Thumper said.."not my problem."

Just more reason to believe Richard and Gary did not do this.

And Dodd if you go to trial for this cover up...BETTER USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!
Or better yet..."DROP A DIME"
 

October 12/18

 


stinson adds
Now that I'm not concentrating on it, I think it was a saturn.




 

 

Today's Quote October 11/2018

There is nothing is more musical than a sunset.
Claude Debussy




Mr. Stinson
Thank you for recalling specific details about April 3, 1994.
Were you driving a red pickup truck that morning?
Thank you for your response.

 

October 11/18


Scott DelConte
I see the "Republican Haters", the "Trump Sheep", are trying to discredit a very good man, with vast amount of experience and temperament to hold the Oswego County Judge seat. This is the typical hate campaign that is so standard of the truly uneducated people who subscribe to the Trump philosophy.
Scott will be an excellent Judge who will make fair judgments based on the facts instead of party politics, which is typical of the Republican Judicial System that now rules Oswego County.
Maybe if Scott was the judge for the Thibodeau trial, there may have been a different outcome.
I will vote for Scott DelConte and if you want a judicial system that is fair, you should also.

 

October 11/18


Have to laugh
I recently sat by one of the families involved in Heidi Allen, Hilton was brought up, wouldn't you know it they are spreading Hilton's corrupt. I have to laugh must be fear is getting to them. An outsider coming in, so now they want to destroy his integrity as they did Gary Thibodeaus. I then brought up the idea drug use in Oswego is higher than any area is New York LOL once again they claimed Hilton's dirty doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. I hope one of the words they hear from Hilton is, you have the right to remain silent. Maybe then they'll learn to shut their traps. Hilton needs to brace for impact they are out to destroy who he is.
 

October 11/18



Timeline
I can say I believe Stitson, I do think he arrived at the time he testified to, I don't think he saw a damn thing as he admitted. The fact is the timeline is off, the cash register was broken, the wall clock was never changed and the only two who collaborated the times to be right on with Officer Curtis's watch time was himself and the store owner Kris Duell, the very person who hired Heidi, who found her CI card, and the one who's file was tampered with. Which ones really the liars, Stitson or the two who lied about the time frame? My guess the 2 who lied, tampered with a hid information. Kris Duell needs to be re interrogated properly by FBI, along with her side kick Curtis who let her inside the store with a crime scene going on. They made certain the scene was tampered with once Kris touched the cash register. Funny how that all worked.
 

October 11/18


 


Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign...and the sign says there were two white vans at the store
What we have uncovered but can't do anything about it ( yet ) really shows what a railroad job was done on Gary.

Wouldn't it have been interesting if Gary ..As he should have been ...been acquitted. Then what would the OCSD do?

We know that Jenn W. DID NOT lie on the call with Tonya.
The taped interrogation by Pietroski let her give him a weak explanation that she was just telling Tonya to shut her up. Ever think of hanging up.
Then she fails a poly to this effect.

Second interrogation with Oakes in the room and a lap top appears and papers in Oakes' hands as if the tape stopped and restarted.

Jenn was asked questions and admitted she was told by someone about Heidi....so that pproves she didn't lie on the phone with Tonya.

Now the inv. just got what he wanted and what the f**k does he do....he lets her leave.

The phone call, and the two interrogations were just a dog and pony show. Jenn really didn't commit to anything but what more do you want as a cop trying to solve a case?

THEY DID NOTHING>
I stated before it isn't what they did in this investigation, it's what they didn't do.

She even told them that she didn't know Roger, but stayed at his house and went to Florida with him after the Heidi crime. And this she admitted to.

So you see Oakes why we think and know this is a cover up. She lied, told the truth, lied again, you offered her immunity and knew damn well she would not take it or got scared to take it...all this to make her look not credible.

It's pretty obvious who you are protecting because you should have pushed Jenn and then we would have the truth.
Did you and Dodd protect a mass of people that were in the coca cola business?
How stupid do you have to be to drive a county issued vehicle into the airport at 3-4 am? Should have used your own cars with fake plates.
I wonder what they were doing there? Night flying lessons?
It couldn't be to buy...naw, that can't be true.

Even the airport manager said he should have done more. Hard to believe that he didn't know what was going on. Were there security cameras there?
Were they checked?

See Dodd, it's not what you did, it's what you didn't do.
Having trouble sleeping?
Relax it may all be over soon and you can get one hour of exercise time per day.
October 11/18

 

Today's Quote October 9-10/2018

It is never too late to be what you might have been.

George Eliot



Can only warn for so long
You can only warn for so long, they truly think they got away with it. It does not seem so to me, the people are furious over Gary Thibodeau and the drugs flowing through their county. My bad to say it, but they should be and many are. Take need in the warnings I'm pretty sure in time someone with balls will take you all down. Let's all agree on one thing it's a fake time line, with no witnesses to even collaborate their time line, no one saw a thing, the only one who said he did was on scene the same time Curtis arrived. Bivens has serious explaining to do and it's disturbing to know a man was prosecuted and died in prison for a time line that's impossible and witnesses that have lied, switched their testimony or statements several times, simply to seal a prosecutors case. Just sickening and completely immoral. Karma is a bitch when it comes back around I believe this next punch Wescott, Breckenridge is going to hurt.
 

October 9-10/18



Heidi Allen and a clean get away
The idea of a kidnapping in a store, with small space and very neat after the crime probably means one thing.

Heidi knew someone and trusted them enough to go outside and this is where she was probably grabbed.
The Friday paper on the floor?? Don't know. Why would a Friday paper be there on a Sunday and why was it the only one on the floor?

Was it being used to hold in front of someone's face to hide?
Were there forensics done for prints etc?

Who sent MB the fax from DWI dept? Oakes said it couldn't come from DA's office, 3 months too early...but it can be copied and sent from some other fax. Getting MB's fax number by mistake is a very long shot. And very hard to believe.

I looks like they wanted MB to know about Bivens. But why? Is MB involved and possibly some OCSD deputies?

Heidi knew and trusted this one person ( imo ).

Now who would she know enough that would be a kidnapper and possible murderer in this area?

MB stated that she made him a sandwich almost everyday. Meat was on the slicer and she was obviously interrupted before she could make a sandwich. Also MB owned a white van that Jenn alluded to in the taped call that Oakes and King both said was not credible.

Did they ask the inv. sitting next to Tonya and telling her what to ask if the questions were credible. All because Jenn and Tonya talked the night before. Jenn said he kid pushed the wrong button...right!

I think it was all done to discredit Tonya and have anything said dismissed.

Another thing I find odd is Jenn told she knew and was told about Heidi in her second interrogation. But started crying and told the cop that she is really trying to remember and tell him what she knew.

Would anyone forget the facts in an event like this? She remembered there were 2 vans and even told the inv. this. But even though it
seemed like they were after info, I really doubt it. They got the info and did nothing with it...another attempt to discredit or get Jenn out of trouble...even said so...Jenn you're not staying here was said by one inv.

And Jenn telling that " the DA is trying to save me but it's up to the judge." What the hell does that mean? DA trying to save instead of investigate a person who knows something in an unsolved case?

How much massaging of witnesses statements did we read about? Certain situations and people not really being investigated.

Instead of getting a physic ( which don't even exist ) why not get someone from the FBI that reads body language and facial expressions to catch liars?

After 5 years, I think anyone would have asked the FBI for help....why didn't the OCSD?
October 9-10/18

 


MURTAUGHS TWEETS
You want to see Murtaugh's tweets from 2015, Well here they are, I saved them: Please pa close attention to the last tweet!

Richard murtaugh retweeted
james gulliver @jgcopycat · Feb 6

"@SarahMoses315: Jennifer Wescott said she lied to Tonya Priest because she just wanted to give Priest attention. #HeidiAllen" woah.


Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Feb 6

#HeidiAllen I'm willing to bet $100,000.00 rt sits right beside the podium so he can try to intimidate jw today .. Mark my words !!

Richard murtaugh retweeted
syracuse.com @syracusedotcom · Feb 3

RT @SarahMoses315: Reuel Todd said in 1994 that #HeidiAllen was not really an informant and there was no informant file for her.


Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 16

#HeidiAllen "trying to intimidate me" but no it didn't work .. No intimidating the truth.. Mouthing " your dead "
1 retweet 0 favorites
Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 16

#HeidiAllen Richard t sitting in court room trying to intimidate me . That's why I had a side bar with my lawyer ..


Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 14

#heidiallen after 20 plus years this is the best they can come up with? & it all started from towing a van that was never at Gary's .. Joke


October 8/18



Can only warn for so long
You can only warn for so long, they truly think they got away with it. It does not seem so to me, the people are furious over Gary Thibodeau and the drugs flowing through their county. My bad to say it, but they should be and many are. Take need in the warnings I'm pretty sure in time someone with balls will take you all down. Let's all agree on one thing it's a fake time line, with no witnesses to even collaborate their time line, no one saw a thing, the only one who said he did was on scene the same time Curtis arrived. Bivens has serious explaining to do and it's disturbing to know a man was prosecuted and died in prison for a time line that's impossible and witnesses that have lied, switched their testimony or statements several times, simply to seal a prosecutors case. Just sickening and completely immoral. Karma is a bitch when it comes back around I believe this next punch Wescott, Breckenridge is going to hurt.


October 8/18

 



Stinson replies to common sense.
The remark "you'll have to be better with your time" was said to me by Investigator Hall. 4/7/1994
My first written statement 4/3/94 at 0840 was that I was there at 7:40.( that is on this website.)
When Hall came to me and said, "be better with your time" I replied offhand "7:40 and 1/2."
He replied, " she had a transaction at 7:42"
I replied, " her clock was wrong"
That is what led to our checking the register, my home clock, my watch, etc. See my previous posts.
We've beaten these two minutes to death. I've stated my background, experience etc, in an attempt to reinforce my own accuracy or at least not my own idiocy. I don't want to keep proselytizing me me me . Hell, I might be wrong. In the end, it's just: he said - they said. It ain't evidence. I didn't see anything anyway.
There is nothing more to squeeze out here. I arrived. Heidi was gone. Clocks were close, that's all there is.
Whether there was a fair trial, real evidence, reliable witnesses, recanting jurors, etc - you need to look there.
I wish you luck, it's just not my windmill to slay right now.
 

October 7/18

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death and Cover Up Of An Innocent Man
Remember when this all broke in 2013-14? Oakes came out and said there wasn't a cover up.....and there wasn't any evidence either Mr. Oakes.

How much ( facts ) have we uncovered since then. Facts, suspicious acts, lies, lies by Dodd, Oakes and the OCSD.
Jenn was let go by the OCSD inv.

I ( imo ) think the tapes of the interrogations have been audited. One that really jumped out at me was when Jenn was interrogated by Pietroski and he asked her when this happened. She said " in August " and the tape looks as if it were stopped, jumped etc. I am not an expert and maybe this is normal video tape behavior.

How many have come forward to tell about Steen, Mike and Roger saying they did it?

How many said this before or gave other info and were ignored by the OCSD?

Why has Tonya gotten death threats? Are we getting too close to something?
Why wasn't MB's white van followed up on?

Did the OCSD ask neighbors if any of the 3 left early that morning?
Oakes as a lawyer gave evidence late to Lisa.

Jenn practically wrote a short story about what happened and it was ignored too.
WHY? She was ready to tell all and she did after she was caught lying about he taped phone call and still nothing was done with this info.

Really OCSD how much hint do you need to follow and investigate info such as this?

Judge King, you were beautiful, John Gotti would have been proud of you. One F**king year to decide a question??? Quit you job.

As far a appeals go, Lisa is right, she should have won but appeals are hard to win.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST....IT AIN'T OVER YET GUYS. YOU SHOULD THANK KING FOR ALL THAT HE DID TO STOP GARY FROM GETTING ANOTHER TRIAL. IF LISA HAD AFAIR JUDGE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN WIDE OPEN.

TO QUOTE JOHNNY FRANK GARRET IN THE DOC..."THE LAST WORD"...i'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU TO LOOK FORWARD TO TOMORROW."
Watch this doc on you tube it's ending will knock you over.


October 7/18

 



7:16am
I did notice 716 was written on the flip side.
I just find it difficult to fathom that if the deputy who was taking the notes about specific information, like what Heidi was wearing, etc...on the note that they would mistake the last transaction time while the deputy was, my presumption, standing over, so to speak, Mrs. Duell as she was checking the register tape on April 3, 1994.


October 6/18


Mum is the word
It has been said by gallery members at the beginning of Gary Thibodeau’s Hearing that another gallery member handed the prosecution side a purple envelope during the Hearing.

Did judge King address the gallery about no interaction with the gallery and lawyers before or after the envelope was passed to the prosecution? The judge’s instruction about that is on the record. Basically, what I want to know is Did the person hand the prosecution the envelope and then the instructions or did the instructions come first and someone violated the judge’s instruction?

Hey, Murtaugh, whatever happened to your claim that someone keyed your sister’s white truck? Did you report it? If not, why not?

Here’s a tissue, cry baby. If you don’t want dirty looks from people, START Telling The COMPLETE Truth. Same goes……nvm.
 

October 6/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
https://www.writing.com/main/portfolio/view/bohrer


Went over this quickly. May be old news to a lot of you but it does have some interesting time problems.
And a quote by a deputy..." you'll have to do better with your time."
Was this written by Michael Bohrer?


October 6/18

 



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
***** Richard exited the store, hopped back in to his van . **** Attempting to leave just as fast as he came. Richard watched John as he stood by his car. Richard was waiting for the man to move his vehicle, so he could leave. He was carrying a newspaper. The man threw his newspaper on to the car seat. John then climbed in to his car, and to Richard's amazement, the man started to pack his smokes. By patting the bottom of the pack in the palm of his hand. The man then opened them, pulling out one and lite a cigarette before he even thought of driving off. Finally, he put his seat belt on and John, proceeded to leave. Richard was relieved as he followed the man out of the D&W parking lot.
John said, "As I drove past the van began to move."

In the Da's Facts it gives the impression that the van moved without anyone in it. According to this statement, Richard got into his van and waited for Swenkowski to move so he could leave. Did the story get twisted again? Did the van move because Richard was in it and maybe put it in gear?
This would be a more logical reason Swen. saw the van move 7 feet or so.

Again no one saw Gary there, or Heidi with them in the van.

Then someone pulled in, and they took Heidi. Was Steen's, Mike's and Roger's houses, clothes or cars searched for fabrics? Of course not, that would have cracked the case, and some people would have gone down for this crime.


October 6/18

 

 

Today's Quote October 5/2018

Behavior is what a man does, not what he thinks, feels, or believes.
Emily Dickinson



RE: Re Bohrer getting faxes with the DWI unit phone number
“District Attorney Gregory Oakes argued this morning that the faxes would not likely have come from the DA's office because they're dated May 31, 1994. That's three months before the sheriff's Heidi Allen investigative file was moved into the DA's office, Oakes said.”
How about this theory….the fax number showing on the statement that Mike Bohrer had, were from the DA’s DWI unit because Mr. Bivens was facing DWI charges on his October 1993 ‘car accident’?
How about this? The DA’s office was going to give him a hush hush ‘deal’, like what Baldasaro got for
his criminal activity.
Please, people, come forward with the TRUTH.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/03/how_did_possible_

heidi_allen_kidnapping_suspect_bohrer_get_police_reports_faxed.html



Please post the above after the link from syracuse.com about Mr. Whipple’s testimony.

The above quote is also from the same article.


October 5/18


Stinson replies:
Yes, My watch was a few minutes off, but I didn’t rely on it to determine my arrival time.
When I left the house, the wife was setting the clock and we were discussing Easter plans.
It probably seldom happens, just before a crime, that two people are talking about the time.
Add about 3 minutes for the drive. (Inv. Hall ran that with me a few times.)
That put me at 7:41 per my home clock. And that’s why I’m confident of my time.
I always believed that I missed Heidi by seconds. How many? I don’t know.
Her last transaction 7:42 register time.
She disappeared. *
I arrived. 7:41 estimated from my home clock.
*If Bivens and also Pierce drove by, didn’t stop and saw an abduction… it was here*
*If there was another van, or she ran away, or whatever… it was here.*
In the seconds or couple of minutes that the register clock vs mine were in error.
I had a little experience in writing reports;
If you notice in my original 1994 statement - I substantiate my statements.
I remember the time - because my wife & I were talking about it.
I remember no one on the road at my house - because I was watching out for my pet geese.
I remember there was no customers - because I zipped dangerously by the front steps.
I didn’t suspect a crime - because the register had a price, her purse was there etc.
That substantiation and writing my statement on “the-day-of” is why I remain confident in my
arrival time, the weather and that I didn’t see anyone else.
To post “7:16” 10/4
Did you notice that 716 is the area code on the flip side of the receipt that is used as a note.
Could it just be a scribbled mistake at a busy crime scene? And not a freudian slip.
Sunrise was 6:45 that day. People would have remembered if they left home in the dark.
So I doubt if the time of last transaction can be backed up to 7:16
The register wasn’t too far off. I was still there when it was opened.
I won’t swear to the time I think it was, because I have since learned what the answer should
be.
Also to other posters 10/4
Thank you,
I’m not offended, I expect to be scrutinized, just not shot over a misunderstood timeline.
You may have this apology:
People that know me will tell you: I’m usually two things - flippant and right. (Both annoying)
I believe there will be further investigation.
So, all I can do is testify as a disinterested witness. (unbiased, but I like that word)
As we age & memories fade, Someday my statements will have to suffice.
But in the end, testimony is just testimony, not evidence.
I appreciate those that follow this case, to find Heidi or if there was an miscarriage of justice.


October 5/18

 



Curious
Something just caught my attention---

Notice the date at the beginning of the “Supplemental Report” from OCSD about Tracy Breckenridge.

Notice the date the documents were stamped ‘Received” and the date written by the deputy on page 3 of 3.

They don’t coincide. No green mark or received by the DA’s office stamp.

These two witnesses were just brought to light from Lisa Peebles about Roger Breckenridge’s possible involvement in Heidi’s disappearance? Certainly the deputy who conducted the interview knew of these people in 1994/1995. HHmmm….
October 4/18



Addition to Was Roger Breckenridge involved
https://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/two_new_heidi_allen_witnesses_

reveal_breckenridges_wife_saidi_he_did_something_t.html



Here is the new revelation about the witnesses.

Thank you to ALL who have the courage and integrity to come forward in whichever manner you choose!!

Special Thank You to Mr. Stinson for reiterating that the register times could not have been correct. Does that explain why a deputy went to the D&W in August 1994 to get the transaction record from April 2, 1994? Why would Mr. Whipple have made a memo about Heidi’s case file being tampered with the very next day the deputy retrieved the April 2, 1994 transaction tape? https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/03/how_did_possible_heidi_

allen_kidnapping_suspect_bohrer_get_police_reports_faxed.html

 Half-way in the article is the testimony from Mr. Whipple giving some details about the breach.
October 4/18



To Stinson...from Common Sense
I was using Swenkowski's Richard's and your time that didn't you say you were there at 7:41? Timed with a deputy days later?

But my point was that the DA's witness Bivens, what time was he there? He never said to the OCSD. Later he said " he didn't remember telling a cop that he was there between 8-8:30. He didn't id the van the first two times until they showed him pictures and then changed his mind at trial.

I (imo) don't even think he was there at all. If he was, it had to be after 7:42, which according to you, you had to be there too. So Bivens is "confused: so to speak. I used Swenkowski's time as another reference to 7:41 asa he testified he saw Richard there and saw Richard leave after Richard bought items from HEIDI!!!!

I am not accusing you, but the only Bivens who claims to have seen the crime and didn't call until 3-4 days later strikes me as odd to say the least.

I remember someone saying.."we just got lucky, a van pulled in just before we did."

But if Bivens was there after 7:42 and you were there until after 8 am ( your words ) and other people were there a little later than this really makes me wonder how Biven's testimony held up? Maybe that is why he never gave a time in his first statement to OCSD...make sense?

Bottom line I am using other people to figure out what time he was there. And what cop wouldn't ask him for the time he was there. It isn't in Oakes' Statement of Facts...hmmmmm.

Not pointing my finger at you and I will read again...sorry.

I can't believe anyone could read all of these statements and not see a coverup. Even Mrs. Fabin said the van swerving behind her was light blue, just like Bivens said twice to the OCSD then changed his mind.
October 4/18



Reply to don't mean to confuse you more
Don't mean to confuse you even more. What do you think about the last transaction time being crossed off?
If Swenkowski left house at 7:30 and did buy from Heidi at 7:41 and the last transaction was crossed off and changed from 7:42 to 7:16 that would point to Richard being there around 7:16 as he bought from Heidi. But how do you account for Swenkowski leaving a friend's house at 7:30 ( his watch ) and seeing Heidi and Richard at 7:41? **** if they did back up the clock then that would mean all the customers were there a lot earlier than they thought.

I am not using the cash register's time for what time people were there rather using the time they said the left a house, who they saw and at what time?

Remember there were transactions at or before 7:30 and Heidi was there.

I am pretty sure Swenkowski looked at a clock at friends house before he left to stop at D&W and then go to Nine Mile.

It's possible that the wrong time was written down and then changed.

Maybe I am confused about the time, maybe I am looking at it in a different way. From the customers arrivals not the cash register.

If 7:16 was the last transaction then how do you explain customers like Wiltsie etc seeing Heidi before 7:42? Pretty sure they had some idea of what time they were there.

My take on this:

Richard left and Heidi was still there.
Someone came right after that and took her. Bivens says he saw it all but never gives the OCSD a time he was there.
This, I believe was done intentionally. Every cop gets the time a witness was there.
And to Mr. Stinson ( just a question for my curiosity) if you never got a transaction as Heidi was gone, how are you so sure you were there at 7:41? The register wouldn't have anything to do with your time, you must have looked at your watch. Your watch was off if you believe Biven's account of the crime.

And if you go back you will read where a deputy erinterviews a witness and tells them "they have to do better with their time."

**** not accusing you Mr. Stinson just trying to put a time line in place that a star witness didn't know or tell the cops what time he saw a crime.

If anyone can prove me wrong ( with facts ) please respond. I am on your side with all of this but we all look at things a little differently.

ME: I believe cover up.

Sorry if I offended anyone and in no way am I pointing a finger at anyone mentioned to being involved. Hopefully Lisa wins and the FBI takes over.
October 4/18



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Light blue van as witnesses describe they saw...even Bivens, Mrs. Fabin etc.
ld Chevy C-10 Light blue van with dark blue doors on Route 3
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
There's a light blue Chevy C-10 van on State Route 3 in between Pulaski and Mexico - with dark blue doors - parked on a side lawn of a property in between Pulaski and Mexico on State Route 3 van before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County. . You can easily see it from the road. It's on the left-hand side if you're heading west (toward Mexico). It looks to be around the same year as RT's, but more closely matches the description of some witnesses. It would be interesting to see who the property owner is or who owned the before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County.
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
October 4/18



To Dave Stinson..your statement put on Oswegonylion by you
I had driven to the D&W and arrived at 7:40 - 7:41. Again, My House Time. There was a red
station wagon where an employee would park and a white car out by the corner for sale. But
there were no customer cars, So I zipped by the front steps and parked close. It was raining.

So you can see why I am so curious about the time Bivens was there because he didn't give a time nor did the OCSD ask him for one...sound suspicious? Please do not conclude that I am accusing Stinson of involvement in the Heidi Allen crime...I am not.

This in not about Mr. Stinson, rather just a question of time of crime, time Bivens was there and others that may have been there.

And if Swenkowski was there at 7:41 and saw Heidi and saw Richard there and saw him leave, then someone had to come after 7:42 to grab Heidi.
October 4/18


Trump races against clock to roll back major Obama-era environment rules
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/03/trump-administration-

roll-back-major-obama-era-environment-policies

October 4/18




To what do you think about the time 7:16 crossed out
Tape from register according to Mrs. Duell:

1. 4:06 am
2. 7:20 am paper bought and Heidi rang it up
3. 7:40 Wiltsie buys paper and Heidi rings it up
4. 7:41 Swenkowski buys 2 papers and cigarettes and Heidi rings it up
5. Stinson said he was at the store at 7:41 but Heidi was not there
6. 7:42 Richard buys 2 packs of cigarettes and Heidi rings it up
*** sometime in here Bivens witnesses a crime. But remember he also said there may have been a van, I don't know for sure. But he also stated the van was light blue and then changed his mind and said it matched Richards van...a van he said may not have even been there.
7. 7:45 Stinson sees a deputy and he pulls in to the D&W

You can see that if times were accurate and the deputies watch, wall clock, register were all the same time when Curtis checked it with Duell there.

There was no 7:16 transaction IMO.

I also believe Stinson but I think the only way he could have been there BEFORE the crime and didn't see Heidi is that his watch may have been off 1-2 or 3 minutes.

My whole premise is not to accuse, but to try and figure out how this crime with all these wholes happened but never got solved.

Here's a true story from back then.

A person who I know would not have a reason to lie was told by a guy that back then his brother was stopped by 2 deputies. They found some coke, took it and let the guy go.

This is what I am seeking, not the fact that Gary was wrongfully convicted or poor Heidi is gone but way beyond that. And if you put it all together along with a retired cop saying cocaine was sold out of the Oswego Police department.....now you know who I think is guilty. Throw in the neighbors statements about county issued cars going in and out of the airport at 3-4 am.

Think about Judge King and how he blocked Lisa, Greg turning over evidence the Friday before the trial, Greg telling Lisa that he didn't have much faith in the integrity of the OCSD investigation, Jenn W. and all she said the was dimissed inn a open case, texts erased, files breached, taped phone call the Jenn said was not true but then goes in for another interrogation and says she was told about what happened to Heidi.

Add in that she failed a poly and walked away, that she texted a friend that she lied to cops and the DA was trying to protect her????? Think about that.

10 people testified that 3 others admitted to taking Heidi and King says the stories were all different so it is not reliable. No kidding King, they were probably told at different times...think he didn't throw a road block at Lisa P.? He said NONE of it was reliable..none.

Now I may be a bit off on the time line because I didn't take it at face value, I thought about it a lot and it still doesn't make sense, not that the times were fudged after the crime, but the fact about who was there and at what times. Again I am not accusing Stinsonn or anyone, just being curious about things that don't make sense.

And don't forget MB got a fax from the DA's office, one deputy said he was incharge of the ACT TEAM and Heidi was a CI and those all important jail house snitches that one has already changed his story..and they did get favors for this...read about it.

If Gary is found to be guilty, really guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I will volunteer to finish his time in prison.
October 4/18

 



Stinson writes:
Reply to “weather” 9/18; I won’t argue with farmersalmanac.com.
If they said, “rain/drizzle, snow/ice pellets”. Then, that was the weather on April 3rd 1994.
Did they say what the morning weather was?
Reply to “killer” 9/22: Sorry, if my story was long. Sometimes names, dates, quotes etc really
drag on. If you find a post or topic redundant; You can skip it. You can skip it.
Reply to “common sense” 10/1: On 9/14/18 I posted everything I ever knew about the case.
Please read it. You still have the timeline wrong.
I was there after Heidi disappeared.
7:41 by my clock - not the register clock, which was broken.
October 2-3/18



Bobby Wheeler lying during a pre-trial Hearing
No big deal, right? He must not have recalled he was at the meeting on April 15, 1994 when Gary was named 'prime suspect'. Must not have recalled getting the warrant from MA in May 1994.

I understand. I sometimes have a difficult time remembering details from a situation I was involved with several weeks after the fact.


October 2-3/18

 



Was Roger Breckenridge involved
According to Tracey, Bob Wheeler was harassing her. The statement is dated 6/1994 and she says that she and Rog split "last February". I bet Jennifer Wescott lied when she claimed to have gotten with Rog for her 18th birthday in 1995. She wasn't given immunity for lying under oath, simply for signing false police statements. I pity Jennifer's loyalty to...Rog.
Tracy statement

 

 

 



Wow...Wish some people with integrity and common sense would investigate this case. Maybe then we can find out what Really happened to Heidi.

October 2-3/18



Re: Death of Common Sense
Don't mean to confuse you even more. What do you think about the last transaction time being crossed off?

 



That time of year again
Wonder what equipment will mysteriously come up missing from the DPW this year.....Oh, that's right. It never did happen!!
Beep Beep!!
Ahhhh, the wagon rides. Wagon looked really nice last year. Great work by the DPW guys getting it ready.
There is no corruption in the grand City of Oswego.....never!!!!
October 2-3/18


Depoty Dog RAMSEY
I wonder if Depoty Dog RAMSEY has any chance to be the new UNDER
I wonder if he has the time whith everything else he does and has going on

October 2-3/18
 

 

 

 

 

 

Today's Quote October 1/2018

Power is like being a lady... if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.
Margaret Thatcher




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Re-reading the Da's statement of facts;

Swenkowski leaves friends house at 7:30

Bivens leaves his house at 7:30

Swenk & Stinson Arrive at the D&W at 7:41

Richard arrives 7:42 and buys cigarettes from Heidi, but Stinson says he never saw Heidi, Richard or Swenkowski.

Ok but there isn't any time for Bivens' arrival at the D&W. He said he saw the crime so he must have been by there after 7:42.
But if true, then Stinson who was there after 7:42, and did not see Heidi at 7:41 nor Richard at 7:42 just when did Bivens see the crime?
You can say the time was fixed but that doesn't allow for Swenkowski's purchase at 7:41, Richard's at 7:42 and Stinson being there at 7:41.

And the fact that we know Heidi was taken after Richard got there at 7:42...what time was Bivens there?????

Guess what, there isn't any statement taken by the OCSD from Bivens when he was there. How can this be? Even after he called the OCSD days later ( even though it was on the news at 10 am Easter Sunday, he waited.

Add in Deputy Curtis' call in to the station and this again just does not make any sense.

Bivens even after giving a statement to OCSD NEVER gives a time he was there. But he left his house in Oswego at 7:30 am.

Was he even there or did he make the story up for a reward money? How can the star witness not have a time he was there.
Heidi was there at 7:41 and gone after 7:42. Stinson said he was there from 7:41 until at 8 am.

I remember reading in 2014 that someone said.."we just got lucky, a van pulled in just before us". I will look for it.

But even so, there at 7:41 and kidnapped after cashing out Richard at 7:42? BUT NO ONE SAW ANYTHING.

What really caught my attention was Stinson 's time frame, Curtis's time and when he called it in, Bivens had to be there at 7:42 but that would mean a couple of people had to see it.

Someone is lying, someone fixed the time and no one got a time Bivens saw a kidnapping.

7:41..Swenkowski buys from Heidi
7:42..Swenkowski sees Richard and even watched him leave the parking lot
7:41..Stinson arrives at the D&W..no Heidi but Heidi cashed out Richard at 7:42

Is it possible Bivens wasn't even there?
That Heidi was taken right after Richard left?
and the times were fixed to make it look like Richard and Gary took her?

I don't think so. You can fix the cash register time but that doesn't change the times on the customer's watches.

Like Richard's jury told Dodd..."show us some evidence".

Like to hear what others think, am I missing something, am I wrong or confused? Possible, as it should have been brought out in court.

October 1/18

 




White House Puts Limits On FBI's Kavanaugh Investigation: Reports
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bafeb5de4b027da00d3c5ae


No doubt following the hearings on Thursday the republicans took a head count and did not have the votes to confirm Kavanaugh. Senator Flake and some others wanted an investigation by the FBI. Now Trump and company are creating their own SHAM by putting a time limit on the investigation and putting restrictions on who can be interviewed. Their plan is to create the appearance of due diligence so the fence sitting Republican senators can have something to point to when they vote to approve. The man who was going to “drain the swamp” is doing it by giving all the swamp creatures positions in his administration. To all those assholes who say, it was thirty years ago and every teenager does things they wish they had not later in life, I say it does not matter if it was thirty years or thirty days. In Maryland there is no statute of limitations for rape or attempted rape. That is what that drunken bastard is worried about more than anything else. Lock that lying bastard up in a cell right next to Trump.
September 30/18

 

 

 

Re: coincidence

Keeping in mind that Jennifer is a liar to suite her own needs, she said she was bouncing between her parents’ house.  Obviously, that means her parents were not living together.  I bet that Mrs. Vecchio has been right all along and that Jennifer’s mom DID live on Rice Road for a time and she confronted Jennifer and Roger just like what she swore to!!

 

 

Woman told deputies her relative killed Heidi Allen, but they didn't investigate

2014-06-23

Roger Breckenridge sits inside the Mohawk Correctional Facility in Rome, NY. on June 23, 2014. Jessica Howard, a relative of Breckenridge, says she told the Oswego County Sheriff's Office twice, in 2004 and 2011, that other relatives of Breckenridge had told her Breckenridge was involved in the 1994 kidnapping and killing of Heidi Allen, 18. She said sheriff's investigators never questioned her after

 

And yet more proof there wasn't a rehearsed call the nite before...Rojeck told Tonya what to ask

 

Before Priest got on the phone with Wescott, Rojek told her he would write down questions on a notepad for her to ask as they spoke, Priest said.

Heidi Allen Case: Phone call between Tonya Priest and Jennifer Wescott WARNING: Contains harsh language. This is a secretly recorded phone call between Tonya Priest and Jennifer Wescott about the 1994 kidnapping of Heidi Allen. Includes excerpts from a recording by the Oswego County Sheriff's Office on March 2, 2013. (5:47)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPjO5L0L_Ck

            

Without Wescott's corroboration, Priest knew that she'd have no proof that Steen had confessed to her or was involved in Allen's abduction. Priest tried to coax Wescott into giving something up in the secretly recorded call.

 

Priest believes she got it in these words from Wescott: "They didn't even bring her in the house. They made her sit in the van."

 September 27-28/18

 

Coincidence?


September 27-28/18

 



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
One of the biggest things to the Gary T. coverup is the Bivens story.

I read the DA's S of Facts but couldn't find any time given by Bivens when he was there.
We know Heidi was there at 7:41 per Swenkowski. Richard paid her for cigarettes at 7:42.

So the crime had to happen after 7:42...but Swenkowski watched Richard back out and leave the same time he did.

Couldn't have come back, too many customers.

So what time did Bivens see the crime? He never gave one that I know of.
This time frame should have been torn apart and freed Gary as it makes no sense...unlesssssss someone or some people pulled a fast one.
Bivens said wrong color at first. Then said it wasn't the van I saw, then changed his mind in court and said it was the van he saw.

We know by the events, file breach and other events that someone is covering for someone.

But for who? No drugs, evidence, sighting of Gary, DNA, prints or fibers to connect him to it.

Gary ( RIP ) if I was on that jury you would never have been convicted. I will never trust any police in my life after this and the shootings in our country.

So who did they cover up for?

SIMPLE: THEMSELVES.

They made every convenient mistake possible. Who takes 4 months to get the cash register receipt from the crime scene?

Who takes 6 months to get an early picture of Steen.

Who erases valuable texts.
Who in their right mind would let Jenn walk after her interrogation and the info she gave.
Who would offer her immunity if she didn't know anything? Think about this one...really hard. They knew she knew, they knew who did it, hell they even faxed him from the DA's office...try getting out of that one.

Who would discredit the phone call BEFORE Jenn was interrogated and never knew she was being taped. She said that Tonya cut something. But OCSD and Jenn the inv. had the tape, not Tonya. Another hint to as who is really guilty. And then Jenn admits that she was told and this didn't get her arrested...but Dodd it is on tape.

There are so many holes and obvious deliberate coverups in this case that if Lisa P. wins a Wrongful Conviction and the FBI investigates ( as it is plain the cops covered up this crime ) and gets to the right person which they will, there will be a lot of job openings in the OCSD.

And Todd IMO you also knew what was going on. Was Heidi going to rat on the wrong people who would eventually to save their own hides sing about who else was selling coke back then?

Bivens will be the first to talk, then it's going to be hard to shut everyone else up.
Better think Bivens...they are not your friends when it comes to felonies.

All that has to be done is for Lisa and Randi to win and then you guys lose.


September 27-28/18

 



Judge Instructions
These are some of the instructions the judge gave the jurors during Gary's trial.
What do you think? Was the verdict consistent with the proof presented by the prosecution?

 


 


 

 

September 27-28/18




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After all this, was it a railroad job on Gary with "mistakes" or was it a coverup with intent to HIDE something.
With all the hints Jenn W. gave the OCSD and the facts of her lying, telling of 2 vans, Murtaugh texts erased, MB and his white van never investigated, snitches that were there to get Gary, no evidence of Gary, deputy lying on the stand, Judge King doing everything to stop Lisa P., Oakes late with a mass of info on a Friday nite, suspicious events by OCSD, 10 people telling about the 3 other guys, deliberate measures to discredit Tonya ( phone call was not rehearsed ) the Inv. were there telling her what to say, and just a mass of other things
COVERUP!
But why?
Were they protecting certain drug dealers?
Were there so many people involved in dealing coke that they had to get someone and hopefully put an end to it?
Sure looks like it.
JENN, OH JENN, YOU CAN GO NOW!
 

September 26/18

 



Believe it or not





Coincidence?
Jennifer Wescott says in her police interview that she was bouncing between Roger's house and her parents house on Levitt Road.
Isn't that near where an army fold-up shovel was found?
September 26/18

 

 


Re:Frequent Lion Flier
LMAO good for you, I am also a common poster for Gary Thibodeau because of many of the same reasons. The biggest piece is there is a female teen girl Heidi Allen, still missing (after two decades). The injustice of this case, once you've read all of the material provided shows abuse of power, a total power control on the Sheriff Department and the District Attorneys side, misconduct, they made Garys Constututional rights vanish. To wipe away anyone's Constitutional rights to gain a conviction, is disturbing. I still can not figure out how he was ever arrested, what actual grounds they had to do so. Total and out right of abuse of power. The little gripes on here about using work vehicles, someone having a sighting on the Sheriff in the casino is nothing, the posts should be anger about the suffercation and silence of the Heidi Allen's case, (mums the word is what the counter poster requests) and a community pushing to find answers, not just for Heidi but for Gary. There are many Gary posters. The numbers of supporters reach in to the thousands. That's part to do with why Hilton won. People want accountability, integrity, and justice, proper due process of the law involving the real culprits, truth and answers. One wraps in to another. They want change and a good community. For 20 plus years there has been silence to most everything they've done. Many seek justice for those who can not. Many now try to speak for Gary and to finish where he could not. Including, myself. The biggest injustice ever to face Oswego County and instead of being helpful you find the Debbie downer. Toss it aside and continue posting so it's never silenced again, until it's solved. If the person doesn't like it, they will have the rest of their lives to get over it. No one will ever find Heidi silencing her story. It's been silenced far too long, in turn she is still missing and the death of an innocent man should be enough to weigh heavy on any meek persons heart and open the eyes on those who are not, to how disturbing this case truly is. "The District Attorneys office is distant and out of touch with its community. Due to it, it's at a cost of human lives." 1995. Sad thing is, the same exact thing can be said today. Today Heidi Allen is still missing.

September 25/18

 



A word from the Queen B
A recent private group chat which was supposed to be a “positive thing” quickly turned ugly. Many of those invited to the group informed me of the comments made. This post is merely to let those in the group know I have no immediate plans to depart (sorry NC, KC, and LW). QB


September 24/18

 



I am one of the frequent commenters about the Heidi Allen case.

My intention of constantly posting about the case is simple...To inspire people to think about her case. To inspire people to talk about it so her disappearance will not be forgotten. To demonstrate the tunnel vision and false accusation against the Thibodeau's. To expose law enforcement's false/uncorroborated theories. All the while realizing that Heidi's disappearance is not such an isolated incident in Oswego County, NY.

I laugh at the (baited) suggestion that a repeated commenter is trying to interject oneself into an investigation as Bohrer had-that I am he. Really? The only explanation for the constant posting is that the person is Bohrer? What about being a truly concerned citizen-that a young girl disappeared and that two people were falsely accused with one being convicted for her disappearance? What about simply wanting Justice? What about wanting Truth so the same thing wouldn't happen to my daughter considering that law enforcement Really doesn't know nor can prove what happened?

Could Heidi have left willingly and still be alive? Certainly. Unfortunately, unlikely. Even at 18 years old, she had to have understood the gravity of being a CI. Basing that assumption on her conscious acknowledgement of personal protection-she had a Screecher in her possession(?), her mother's assurance that she could handle herself and that Brett claimed he had been going to work with her for a couple months previous to her disappearance until 'traffic picked up' so she wouldn't be alone. Also, being a head-strong, independent woman (from public accounts) like myself, I find it unconscionable that she would have allowed over 20+ years someone to be falsely held accountable.

I wouldn't be so hasty to discount ALL of the investigators/police witness statements on this case. There are some whose influence and actions are questionable and others who were just doing their job, just like there were some witnesses who were 'trying to help and those who were trying to help themselves'. The decision of who to 'target' was made by a select few and perpetuated by the select few. I believe the initial investigation shows that Gary was not responsible. Having not seem All investigative material, I, personally, would not say it was a Fact that any of the 3 boasters are either. Maybe they are. That is up to the Sheriff's department to do a thorough/unbiased investigation which I don't believe has happened. Just saying, there is more corroboration that the boasters may have been telling the truth when 'boasting' as compared to what was said about Gary.

Though inadmissible in a court of law, an investigative tool nonetheless, I dare Bohrer, Breckenridge and Steen to take a polygraph test.

Who cares what I think or say? Agree with me or not? Fine!! Read the documents for yourself and form your own opinion! If I've inspired you to look deeper into the case or to come forward in whichever manner you choose, I have fulfilled my mission. With a little desire and time, one need not solely rely on the 'rumor mill' for answers. Thank you to those who have given truthful information about this case over the years.

Proud supporter of Gary "the Innocent" Thibodeau to the end

September 24/18



Many different reasons but this
also may be one reason these things took place
"A communities feeling about a case can influence a verdict as much as the evidence presented in the
case."


September 24/18

 


Stinson writes
I only came on this website to refute some misquotes.
I've told my story: what I said, and what was said to me.
Anyone directly related to this case is welcome to see me.
The lawyers on both side know where to contact me.
 

September 23/18


 


Lock them Up
That Lock them up sign wasn't the only sign that night, the Allen family arrived with Tee shirts that read justice for Heidi and all signs and shirts were barred from the court room. So it was an organized event pulled off my Allen's family and by the Duells family and friends. So no one cares if he was guilty or innocent. Oobviously someone organized it enough to have the shirts and signs made, it was planned by more than one person.

 

September 23/18



Jane Doe?
I'm wondering after all these years if any local police agencies ever contacted the FBI regarding the Allen disappearance? I'm thinking NO. Why? because they were not only incapable but also uninterested in solving the crime and contacting the FBI would have derailed their plan to frame an innocent man for a career making conviction. There are Jane Doe's buried in unmarked graves in all 50 states. Seems a simple task to examine a few thousand autopsy reports. What makes the frequent Allen poster believe that the police witness statements are anything but file filler? I mean they had to put something in the files in lieu of actual evidence. LOL The poster is perpetuating the myth that Allen was killed here. Don't assume that any aspects of the case reported by the Sheriff's Dept. are even slightly accurate.

 

September 23/18



If Rosenstein Is Fired, This Is Who Will Be in Charge of Robert Mueller
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/if-rosenstein-is-fired-this-is-who-will-be-in-charge-of-robert-mueller/

September 23/18

 

 

The Real "Killer"?
How tired are we all to read one more line regarding the Heidi Allen disappearance? The real issue here is that a man was convicted of a murder when no evidence of a murder existed! No body, No motive, No evidence of any crime. These are the facts that should amaze and inspire not the contradictory minutia of non-credible witnesses who saw nothing relevant because there was nothing to see in the first place. The poster supports the unsubstantiated claim of murder by the DA's office.I believe that the verbose poster at this site who seems bent on shading every witness statement could just as easily be the killer once again inserting himself into the 'investigation' or at least the neverending discussion regarding it.
Question: Were any of the nuke plants on shut-down at the time? Did the police look at the dozens of nuke plant workers with criminal sex histories? Especially any who may have left town that week? Heidi could be a Jane Doe somewhere in Texas. The killer's name might be found among the personnel records at any of the nuke plants. Now there's a useful idea. Sadly, the police did NO investigation whatsoever. Why? because they had their patsy.


September 22/18

 


Makes one wonder
Wonder what Sheriff Hilton would say if he found out Murtagh threatened someone he knows very well over the Gary Thibodeau case? Hilton will find out Murtagh, this person happens to be pretty close to Hilton's son. Wonder what he will think then of your, I'm so innocent stance, when he puts it all together and finds out, Murtagh had the nerve to threaten witnesses and someone who is not directly involved, who's only a supporter of Gary Thibodeau. I don't think Murtagh, Sheriff Hilton's as dumb as ol Todd. Your actions make you look guilty as hell. Murtagh you may know everyone but you obviously didn't know some of the people you did threaten are pretty good people and link back to the NOW SHERIFF, dumb move Murtagh. Ik certain he will believe them over you any day. Next time Murtagh find out who they are before you go tampering with witnesses and innocent supporters. Cause some day may kick you in the ass.
 

September 22/18



Re: weird tactics
There was a photo from a news article posted several days ago depicting a woman holding a sign saying "Lock them up"
Just curious about her bias before Richard or Gary went to trial. Was she just a concerned citizen that wanted to see the accused pay, even if they weren't guilty, or did she know something to have such a firm opinion?

September 22/18
 

 

 

 


Timeline
I agree that 4 am clock in gets me, the timeline begins there, not the last check out. To accurately pin point what happened you begin at 4 am, who was in the store at that time and why, or was it Heidi, there is no explanation. Why was the silent alarm not working that was connected to the sheriff's office, or the store cameras, the gas pumps didn't operate right, the wall clock, "time stood still for Heidi", Stitson tells you the cash register was broken, so nothing worked right. Tell me did the coolers not work for the deli, because Heidi left a huge slab of meat out in the open, but didn't Brett claim she had already stocked the deli and put everything away in the coolers, so is it possible Greg Oakes some one could have easily distracted her by having them make them a sandwich. Wasn't Bohrer famous for having Heidi make him a sandwich? Maybe the reason why Brett wants an attorney is because he knows more than he's telling. Isn't it then possible seeing as in 1994 it is reported and a known fact all of the doors in the front of the store were used by customers, were reported unlocked. Straight shot from that door to the meat slicer and the newspaper what's a person do, who is used to distract her after the one grabbing hers grabs her, just stand there and watch ? Why weren't the counter tops finger printed due to the paper on the floor did the distracter leap over the counter, placing even one hand on that counter as he lept across it? Maybe to help the grabber, is it possible that's the simple answer to how the newspaper ended up on the floor?Because the distracter accidently hit it, or the breeze from his body snagged it and it hit the floor? Whatever caused it to land where it did, was in one hell of a hurry they never picked it up. The belief this newspaper was on the floor because that paper could have been used to conceal a weapon to lure Heidi out of the store, is assinin, where is the gun used and why then was Richard Thibodeau never seen entering the store with a newspaper, that looked like he concealed something under it or anything for that matter, what did he do walk in leap the counter, pull a gun out with a newspaper request two packs of smokes, pay for them and leave, wtf, none of it adds up??. Then it switches to Baldasaro saying Heidi went willingly with the Thibodeaus, but that still doesn't explain the newspaper on the cashiers side of the counter on the floor.
Lots of questions. But one question I do not have is who fudged the timeline Curtis and Duell, parts of her file are missing, she also ran some of the search maps, had access to the direction people searched in for Heidi, she also found Heidi CI card. She also obviously knew Brett Law, and many tied to Heidi Allen as she did many things to quote search for Allen. She was a direct part of the Heidi Allen Center. Direct part of knowing of Heidi Allen hidden identity. She never once said anything in court up to know of the finding or knowledge to Allen's CI status.
So if you played clue, here is another question, which one faxed Bohrer parts of the investigation from the District Attorneys office? Was it VanPatten the exposer, Curtis the time flipper, Duell the fake, Barney the demented kid, Law the liar, Wheeler the crook, Scrutin the side kick, Todd the dodger, Dodd the mentor, which one cause they were all in and out of the Heidi Allen center, Gary was on foot then rode around in a vehicle on Allen's search. One things for sure it's wasn't Gary Thibodeau who used any fax machines during the search for Heidi.
And another which one dropped off the braclet in Heidis cousins mailbox? Bohrer the creep, Steen the psychopath, Dan the child creeper, Law the Liar, one things for sure being locked away in prison no access to place a non addressed envelope in anyone's mailbox, with Heidi Allen's braclet in it, unless Gary is one of the Alcatraz boys miraculously breaking out of prison, then breaking back in to prison after he taunts Heidis family, will it ever have been possible it was Gary Thibodeau.
Issue is all clues point to a fudged time line an exposed CI, a few dirty officers, Michael Bohrer, fudged evidence, hidden documents, criminals on the loose, the real culprits playing the justice system like a corrupt machine. And no one doing a damn thing to stop them, one things for sure, Gary Thibodeau died trying to stop them, expose them and he gave it his all, good for him. Someone needed to. Because they are nothing but liars and manipulated the majority with confusion. That I agree with.
Anyone ever ask yourself if it was all planned, detailed, timed and everyone played a part to pull off the kidnapping of Heidi Allen? Bohrer tells you the red truck passed my house, a cop in the passenger side, I knew they were up to something, she was to be taken on Sunday. Why Sunday, maybe because they were smart enough to pick a day you can't confirm a real time line. Because you can not confirm who reset their clocks. Without a real time line you'll never solve it, maybe that's exactly what they wanted.

 

September 21/18

 



Weather or not here we come
The weather is just a way to discredit Mr. Pierce as they did to Tonya with the phone call....I wouldn't doubt it if they told Jenn to call Tonya the night before as use that as an excuse to destroy the phone all that was tapped.
And while I am at it, when & how did they find out that Jenn called Tonya the night before the tapped call was used?

Oakes told Tonya right after that, the call can't be used because.......how's that for timing?

So without time lines, Oakes knew right after the tapped call and told Tonya the call can't be used. Tonya asked for a poly and was refused....of course. Remember Jenn was offered immunity by Oakes and they offer immunity only if you have info so important to the case they are willing to let you walk. She refused....hmmmmm why?

PLEASE SET YOUR WATCHES:
- Swenkowski and Richard were there at 7:41 - 7:42 as Swenkowski testified to seeing a van and left the parking lot the same time the van did....but did not see Gary or a kidnapping.

- Stinson said he was there at 7:41 and was Heidi's next customer but wasn't there.

_ Bivens who the OCSD didn't record any time that he saw the kidnapping only said he didn't remember telling a cop he was there between 8-8:30...****but no other time was given by him and at 8am the OCSD were there. So how did he see a crime if Swenkowski, Richard and Stinson were there about the 7:42 last Heidi transaction?

To see it he had to be there before 8am...but doesn't say that.

And he also said that he didn't call the cops because he thought it was a domestic dispute.
But he was questioned 3 days later ( which means he called the cops between 1-3 days after the crime ). But he must have known it wasn't a domestic dispute because it was all over the news at 6pm, in the papers etc. BUT HE WAITED TO CALL OCSD?????

Do you people see what is going on here? How times were changed, statements changed, van color was not black and white.

BIVENS NEVER SAW ANYTHING. HE WAS PUT UP TO SAY THIS AND HIS VERY WEAK STATEMENT WAS USED IN COURT BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THEY HAD...A MADE UP STORY TO CONNECT GARY.

iF IT HAPPENS, THE FBI WILL TEAR THIS TO SHREDS, SOMEONE WILL TALK TO SAVE THEMSELVES AND THEN GARY WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE.


September 21/18



You're outta here...
Today I'm going to laugh!! You good ol boys lost. Tick, tock, time will tell, yes you were only bidding yourselves time. Enjoy your holidays...while the rest of us laugh, and wait for the first of the year. I think I'm going to decorate my Christmas tree with handcuffs, mail them to the new Sheriff come new years, he may need a few dozen extra pair, anyone else have any handy, donate them to the Sheriff Department. Maybe Hilton can teach them how to use them.


September 21/18



Inaccurate timeline
Exactly!! That’s why having both the register tape from April 3, 1994 and the tape from April 2, 1994 that was retrieved on August 11 (with the next day Mrs. Duell’s OCSD file being tampered with) is sooo important. Or someone coming forward that can enlighten us about that and how the first register transaction was 4:06am? Seems like an odd time to be a default setting.

Yeah, Dodd was hoping, and succeeded, in confusing the jurors (public and families) by double-talking. Take the van being washed, take the bone fragments that were tested by the Smithsonian, take the reading of the partial register transaction tape into the record, take the fact that April 3, 1994 was DST where people change their clocks at different times anyhow, take charging Gary’s alibi witness with perjury so she had to take immunity for her testimony, take the witnesses who admitted under oath that LE did not take their statements correctly. AND MOST OF ALL, take the army shovel that was used as evidence that wasn’t even confiscated from the Thibodeau’s!!

 

September 20/18



Vanosdall Murder Still Open


September 19/18
 


Weather
I don't know why anyone's arguing about who was where when or was it snowing or not. One thinks his memory is clear the other one does as well. Was Pierce right or Stitson. Well the national archieves for the farmers almanac says it sure as shit was snowing, sleeting, ice, snow you name it was falling from the sky with visibility at 2.6 miles ahead. If they passed through at obviously seperate times as Stitson never witnesses the kidnapping so he obviously wasn't there at the same time Pierce drove through that area. Stitson was heading towards 9 mile I believe to go to the gym at work. So he headed towards Oswego, out of it but to me it's obvious by the national weather records sleet, ice, snow, and the confusion to due to the time difference did Stitson drive in after something passed through or are the times just so complete off that Stitson passed through well after the crime had been committed and the roads cleared up, or was it really slightly spitting stuff through out the day? Who knows right, but it's not the weather issue it's a entirely f'd up time line, who says that clock wasn't off by even 20 minutes. The time frame is given and confirmed by the broken cash register and two people Curtis and Kris Duell teaming up and claiming all the times were correct. No one knows how much time actually passes by after the kidnapping, but I bet Brett Law does. New Haven is built off 1,300 estimated square miles who the hell knows where this ice, snow and crap weather on that date came from or from which direction. If your driving in from the north you'll probley run in to shit weather, from Oswego you'll also drive in to shit weather, from Fulton the same thing, if your traveling out of New Haven into Oswego you may get lucky and drive out of it, the further you drive from North to west, from west to north the weather changes because your going further north. Jesus, it's not the weather it's the flipping time line, thank the two who built this fake time line...Curtis, Kris Duell. If Gram Duell said, "Time stood still for Heidi," the times didn't change, then Curtis and Kris both lied, his watch never matched a damn thing. Who would you believe, the 2 involved or the old lady who didn't know a damn thing? Guess what the reality is, Stitson and Pierce may be both right.
farmersalmanac.com

 

September 19/18




Bad Boys...
Look at the look on Randi Biancos face anyone who watched this case unfold in Appeals, knew that Randi gave this look because she knew Greg just lied. The look of death. Randi Bianco and Lisa Peebles both were tough enough and had more courage than anyone to expose the good ol boys for what they are, not so good ol boys..Nice name when your nothing but bad LOL bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do, the people just bitch slapped you.!!! (Believe it, there are many laughing)
You not so good ol boys are all done, I second that!!! Wait until the new sheriff coming figures out who you all, really are. If he has integrity, which many believe he does, he will figure it out. Murtagh, Wescott, Breckenridge, Bohrer, what then will you do. Who's going to toss who first. I have five bucks on Wescott.

September 19/18




Stinson replies to: Was he pulling in?
Well, I didn't think I'd have to explain "Flagging." And I wasn't on the flight deck. Except for being flown off by helicopter.
I am amazed all those jets can fly in willy-nilly with no direction.
But if it's important (it is in my original police statement) Officer Curtis was at the stop sign at 104. Therefore he had passed the East entrance.
I can't possibly know if his intention could have been to turn and come in the south entrance anyway... but I "flagged" him in.
If you're thinking Curtis had nefarious intentions, I should disclose:
Years earlier when I worked with Curtis - I'd been to his house for a beer.
Years later when I worked with the D&W owners' brother Jason - I'd been to his house for a beer.
One of the earlier customers on April 3rd, has been to my house. (He doesn't drink)
Point is: I drink a lot of beer.
Furthermore, when she got older - my kid worked at the store. She got fired.
Her babysitter was an alternate juror. (yes, I thought that would have been inappropriate if seated as a juror)
Point is: Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.


September 19/18




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
When I read the time lines I couldn't wrap my head around 7:41am. Thought this suspicious as Swenkowski was there then, and saw Richard, Richard a minute later and bought cigarettes from Heidi and Stinson but didn't see anything.
Also a customer there a little earlier.

Ok I'll accept it that no one saw a kidnapping of which Swenkowski carries the most wait as he saw Richard.

Now to Bivens:

In the DA's Statement of Facts ( if there is such a thing ) Bivens said at first it was a light blue van, then a blueish white van and was shown pictures by the OCSD and said that is NOT the van I saw. He slept on it and later was shown more pictures and said about the trailer hitch rust and hanging down he is now sure it was the van.

But in the statement he gave to OCSD, he also said he didn't remember telling a OCSD days ago that he drove by between 8-8:30am.

and also said.." there may have been a van, I don't really remember." Or something close to this.

After banging my head around this I wonder if Bivens was even there. At 8am the cops were there so that destroys the chance he saw a kidnapping at that time.

Also he couldn't describe the van but he could describe the people and mentioned one looked older because of his hair...pointing at Richard? Even mentioned one had a coat on. Very detailed for a guy who also said there may have been a van I don't remember??????????????

My intuition back in 2014 told me that he wasn't even there. Which I still believe today.

And remember in Oakes' Statement of Facts: there isn't any record, statement or fact which says what time bivens was there.

Nothing....except the 8-8:30 by Bivens. Did they talk to him about we have the right guy but need a little more. Didn't Bivens have a pending DWI and an insurance fraud charge against him at this time?

Bivens is not the only person interviewed that said that was not the van I saw...read the S. O. Facts.

Now the OCSD let all this go as it was the truth, but what happened to the guy who ( I posted this earlier on this web page ) that said he borrowed Mike Bohere's white van after MB got it repaired and scraped with it. What happened to the van? Any DMV records showing he owned one or did that did that get shredded too?

Oakes, Dodd, Todd and whoever, the only thing that saved you from Lisa P. is Judge King. And I use the word "judge" very loosely.

Come on people we are very close...keep pushing. Please come forward to Lisa P. ONLY if you have info. Do not trust the OCSD, they are in too deep.

Took two innocent lives to protect the drug dealing. Why cover for drug dealers? Kick Backs?

 

September 19/18

 



Bohrer what a lunatic
Bohrer, who testified he was a former IBM researcher diagnosed with "executive burnout due to extreme stress," said his investigation included a blue van and a junkyard in Volney.
He asked Richard Murtaugh — whose scrapyard Breckenridge said he worked at in 1994 and 1995 — if he had scrapped the blue van in question.
"He said yes," testified Bohrer, "then he kind of smiled and said, ' No, Heidi Allen was not in it.'" Bohrer said he asked Murtaugh if a body could be crushed in a van, and Murtaugh replied, "No, that'd be too messy." Bohrer said his investigation into the case went so deep that he eventually rented a camper near Thibodeau's house, just to "feel 'em out," meaning Gary and Richard Thibodeau. After Gary's conviction, Richard was acquitted of the same kidnapping charge in 1995.
"I wanted to determine if in fact they were guilty," testified Bohrer, saying he'd often go to bars and "be a fly on the wall" and listen for tips connected to the case. He said he still goes "back and forth" on whether he thinks the Thibodeaus were involved, saying he leaves it "to the mercy of the court." At one point during chief assistant district attorney Mark Moody's cross-examination, Bohrer said that he generally liked Richard, and followed it up by addressing Gary Thibodeau directly.
"I didn't care for you, Gary," he said, chuckling a little.
"I don't even know you," Thibodeau said calmly, briefly lifting his face from his palm.
Seems Bohrer and Murtagh want to claim the blue van on Gary's property was used. This is one thing the Sheriffs ruled out. So seeing as murtagh and Bohrer both lied, how can the sheriff's sleep at night knowing their lies lead an investigation in to many different directions. Hope you all have a good holiday it may be your last. New Sheriff coming your way and getting you off the streets would result in the streets being much safer.
Maybe Bohrer, Murtagh can have the cell next to you so he can feel you out.

 

September 19/18




Time Travel With OCSD
July 27, 1994 Herald Journal must have the ability to time travel and obtain Robert Baldasro statement dated July 31, 1994. It's right in black and white. So either the Sheriffs lied about the date they obtained Baldasaro statement to coincide with Thibodeau arrest and leaked it 3 days before it ever was to exist or the Herald Journal can time travel forward in history then back in history. Either way it does seem to appear this was all a set up.
 

   

 

September 19/18
 



Re: shovel
Upon more careful reading of the police notes on 10/6/1994, the green/black army shovel was found on Levitt Road. The correct spelling should be Leavitt? This road is north of the D&W. A 'round end shovel' was inventoried from Gary's property. Did the prosecution switch the 'round end shovel' that was confiscated at Gary's property search with the army fold-up shovel that was in the retired detective's van?

Here is page 3109, page 3108 was posted a few days ago, that again has testimony of Kleist and a shovel.

Mr. Mulcahy, this might be something interesting for you to look into.?

 

 

September 19/18
 

 


Shovel
The shovel, dig deeper in to the articles and you will find a reporter caught the sheriff's removing an army folding shovel from an investigators vehicle it had brain or muscle tissue on it. When asked why they had this item they declined to respond. Makes one wonder what they planned on doing with this shovel.
 

September 18/18

 


Stinson replies
I had to get on yahoo search engine and type 'heidi thibodeau' - there is a video 'Oswego County D.A. offers insight into 2013 Heidi Allen Investigation'. It clearly shows rain changing to mixed snow and no snow on the ground as the storm was moving in. It is from later when the store was taped off and news crew had arrived. Sorry, I don't know how to link it. I assume there are Police crime scene photos also. No Snow! That doesn't mean people are lying about their entire statement if they remember snow. It means that memories are easily influenced by later input.
It took me less time to find a video of No Snow than it took you to write an email saying there was.
"Think before speaking. Read before thinking." Quote Fran Lebowitz american journalist.
 

September 18/18

 



The Powers that be...
Well as far as the cabin diggers the sheriff's did not do a proper investigation in to their back ground or who they connect to. Jeremy Powers is involved in the Local 168 I.U.O.E. union same union as probable suspect Daniel Barney. Years ago the old women who owned Jeremy's home decided she could not longer keep the upkeep on her home, so they placed a bright blue tiny mobile home to the right side of the old farm house, where Steen resided with this old lady. Jeremy is connected also to Breckenridge as Chucky his neighbor is with Breckenridge's, so called sister. Back then Breckenridges two nephews Mike West and Harry West worked for Chucky and fell from a roof and straight through a roof, one broke his hip, the other broke his ankle. Chucky was sued and his insurance company paid these two boys a huge sum of money. Link, link, link, the sheriff's either think you are all dumb or simply wiped the facts to who they all are under the rug, either way court documents can prove these people are all connected and can prove the law suits. Alexander and Catalano LOL start digging you'll find this is a bulls eye.
 

September 18/18

 



Book burning
With Hilton on their asses, wouldn't doubt the evidence burning has begun, deleting, shredding, maybe faxing to Bohrer LOL you cunning, hiding, sheriff's there's a new sheriff coming and I'd be afraid. VERY AFRAID, I am certain Murtagh is, he should be, so should Wescott did you fools really think you could murder people and the little old sheriff was going to last forever to protect you criminals? Betcha thought he was invisible, seems you good ol boys and your goons are done. Wait until Hilton catches on to the many families going after you criminals. He may just hop on board. Integrity lies in honest people and well we all know the Sheriffs from OZ are nothing more than liars, criminals and snakes. Hilton take them to the bank on their lies, some warrants would be nice to see, start with Wescott.
 

September 18/18



Stinson replies;
The other store clock/advertisement was over the ice cream cooler and across a window, 90 degrees to the register counter. And yes, it had not been advanced. If I remember that correctly (after 24 years.)
I prefer quoting notes.
I said, "I flagged Officer Curtis in at 7:58." I didn't leave at 7:58. I of course stayed as long as requested. I was there when the owner opened the register and we found out that "Heidi" was missing.
I said, "it was a surprise to Investigator Hall and myself that the register clock was broken 4 days later 4/7". I don't know who else checked it or when.
For those wondering why comparing my time to the register was so important. It defined a window of opportunity.
When I did celestial navigation in the Navy, I got my time by radio signal from the atomic clock in Denver. Perfect: I never lost a boat.
In 1994, Like most people, I got my time from the TV. Best I can say is "I never missed the 6 o'clock news". It wasn't perfect and neither was the register. But I know what time I got to the store (per my clock) and that's why the comparison became so important. How the police finally weighed that accuracy - I don't know.
Other things I did in the Navy were weather reports, the ship's Log, and security patrols. You'll have to trust me: I didn't see a kidnapping.
As an interesting follow up to that statement: I do believe we drive on the subconscious part of our brain. Probably why no one uses blinkers. I met with the search expert from Texas, Rick ( B****field?) and volunteered to try hypnosis (I knew a guy), to see if I could recall a vehicle leaving etc. Rick asked the Police. They said, "No. It would eliminate me as a witness." I tried to insist, but he said he had to work with the police and accept their decision. That's no derision on the police. I'm sure they have their rules. Now it's just a another side note many people never knew.
I'm not trying to aggrandize myself as the perfect witness: I certainly didn't realize the gravity of the situation on that Easter Sunday.
Whatever side of the aisle people are on, I'm glad that there is still an intent interest in this case.
 

September 17/18


Inmate testimony vs recent interview
Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau told him in jail
"They were trying to get me to say he told me he did it," Baldasaro said. "I said, 'That's never what he said.'"
Funny (ironic, predictable) how 20 years later if one doesn't refresh their memory by reading their previous testimony what they recall. Really? A confession, Todd? Both inmates specifically testified that Gary didn't say he had anything to do with Heidi's disappearance. Read Greg's Statement of Facts vs Lisa Peebles/Randi's facts and you'll see the truth that the inmates did NOT say Gary told him he (or Richard) were involved. THAT is YOUR theory..uncorroborated theory. There is no evidence that your theory is correct. Hell, there wasn't even time the morning of April 3, 1994 for the brothers to take Heidi to near the woods at Gary's and bring her back without being missed and then to have Richard's purchase rung up. Hell, Gary had a legitimate alibi (proven in a Court of Law to NOT be lying).

It is a fact (looking back on legal documents posted on this site on December 2, 2017) that Baldasaro received a deal for his testimony.

Gary should not have been convicted after trial. No evidence, the theory didn't fit, he should have been acquitted! An innocent man died in prison at the hands of corrupt law enforcement and gullible jurors. Pray they are held accountable for what they've done like Gary paid for what he wasn't accountable for.
Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau...
Robert Baldasaro says Thibodeau never told him Allen was beaten to death with a shovel, as Baldasaro testified i...
Dodd's excuse for withholding evidence, as per the news article posted a few days ago on this site, was so that the defense wouldn't tell the witnesses not to talk to the police? Isn't that exactly what at least one of the prosecution witnesses did when Mr. Walsh wanted to talk to her...she refused to talk to him. It's all on record in the trial transcript.

What, Rule? What did you say in the news about Heidi and Gary? 'No relationship'. What did Dodd say during closing arguments? The articles are from July 27, 1994. **tainting the jury pool. And that's why it took so many perspective jurors to seat the 12 plus 4 alternates.**


   
 

September 17/18




News footage/articles/witness testimony ALL say it was a snowy/rainy day.
Git otta here that Greg thinks Mr. Pierce isn't credible because he said it was snowy, it was. That would explain why Heidi might have been wearing a jacket like Mr. Pierce said. A clerk at the D&W had to reset or fuss with a pump because it wasn't working properly. And can be proven. Wait for it. The proof WILL be posted.

 

September 17/18

 



Defies Common Sense
We saw from legal documents posted on this site, that Kleist testified that no army fold-up type shovel was ever confiscated from any of the Thibodeau searches. We can also see from a news article in 1994 and from Greg's Exhibits in regard to the Hearing in 2015 that an army fold-up shovel was found during a ground search and left where it was because of the condition it was in and that a reporter saw an army fold-up shovel in a retired detective's vehicle. The shovel was found April 25, 1994 and the inmates made their statement in July 1994...hhmmm

Ironic that the inmates make claims of an army fold-up shovel AFTER one was found during a ground search and reported in the news. Also ironic is the prosecution tested an army fold-up shovel that showed 'skeletal muscle'. Did the defense ever get a forensic report about the 'skeletal muscle'? Where exactly was the army shovel found during the ground search and did the retired detective ever give a statement about the shovel in his vehicle?

Has anyone else read what I describe and what do you make of that? It's all in black and white if you know where to look.

My point is it looks like the Sheriff's and DA's office were trying to plant 'circumstantial evidence' against Gary and Richard. We already know that some evidence had not made it into testimony for the jurors to consider in Gary's trial that WAS admitted in Richards and Richard was acquitted.

Another point is that it is absolutely obvious that the DA's office was making a conscience effort to withhold evidence in order to get a conviction.



Additionally



 

September 17/18




Weird tactics...it really is OZ
See attached. This is one of the craziest things anyone could have done other than Dodds Phantom Purchaer (lol). Before Gary's trial they not only compared his case to that of OJ Simpson, some classy citizens stood outside of his plea at court, holding up signs, before he was ever found guilty of any crime, or ever made it to trial. But that phantom purchaser, really tops the charts by the former ADA Donald Dodd. So in reality they stole Richards van, put that baby on display in the center of Oswego, took notes the night Heidi vanished that Gary was home that night and jotted down his license plate, come up with some lame story Gary fled to Massachussettes and fled with his wife, Sharon. In return Sharon supplies 3 sources of documents to confirm she was in Oswego, that the District Attorney was outright lying. The Sheriffs and DA OFFICALS committed perjury on the stand then and now, you claimed there was a phantom purchaser, pretending to be Sharon on the loose and that's how she got the bank receipts, then you arrest her for perjury, and testify before a grand jury against Sharon and never recorded the testimony, only so she couldn't and wouldnt testify as an alibi, due to fear or retaliation by the DA and Sheriff's, what law, Sheriff's did you not violate to committ this kidnapping of an innocent man. Then you convict Gary off a timeline that doesn't add up, witnesses changing their stories, no evidence, no motive, suspects removed off a list, total violation of due process laws and allowing an American to defend their lives and their guilt or innocence. Then your new buddy Pie liar Petrowski helps you out by bogus, biased, bullshit interrogations, missing evidence and his pathetic failed attempts to lie on the stand. You stood around chanting lock him up, ruined his entire life, took any constitutional right he had, because 1995 was election year, Dodd you made a mockery of Gary to gain votes and used him as a pawn to win election. The year they prosecuted Gary was the first year in Oswego history and the very same day Dodd announced his candidacy for District Attorney of Oswego, that same day the first ever murder case was tossed by Judge Brandt for prosecutorial misconduct against Donald Dodd. Sound familure? Dodd nor Todd (The sheriff's brother) could get their theory straight on another case. In 1995 the citizens of Oswego stated "the DA and Sheriff's were out of touch with the citizens so much it was costing human lives." This is only a handful I can think off, off the top of my head. But that 3000 documentation dump by Greg classic, violation of Gary's due process rights. Could you imagine being compared to OJ Simpson, then have a bizarre phantom purchaser on the loose. All while your brothers van sits in the center of Oswego in hopes to spark someones memory, because they had NO WITNESSES, AND NO GROUNDS FOR ANY ARREST TO EITHER BROTHERS. No motive, no witnesses, no body, no weapon, passed lie detectors, negative to any DNA. Absolutely nothing to tie you to any crime. To constitute either arrested. Tracks didn't match, times didn't match, nothing adds up. But yet one morning you've become OJ SIMPSON, over night, without warning and to prosecute you, they broke every law possible to do so. Imagine that, being stripped of every right you have, the only thing that put you in prison was he said, she said jail house gossip..If prosecuting them was as easy as it was for them to destroy Gary Thibodeau, Oswego would be a better place.



Re : To David Stitson reply
No Heidi did notice the wall clock as Gram Duell stated to reporters "Time stood still for Heidi." Heidi informed Gram prior to her leaving the store she had to fix the store clock. But Gram Duell said Heidi never did, the day she vanished Gram Duell returned to the store noticing the wall clock, she admitted the time never changed. Thus her creating her comment "Time Stood Still for Heidi." You can find all the information on this case at this link, scroll to the bottom and start in 1994. http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/?m=1

 

September 16/18



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
After reading Dave Stinson's reply it woke me up.

Thinking that there is no way possible for him, Swenkowski and Richard to be there at those times, this needs a full inv. by NYS, DOJ or the FBI.
They did so many petty things, omitted doing certain inv. ( MB's white van ) that I think, I hope and I feel...you guys are screwed.

This is so Mickey Mouse that I expect some will start to sing. Are you listening Jenn? You think they're your friends? Think Again.

I wish to apologize to Dave Stinson for anything I may have written that was inaccurate. I never thought you were a suspect but I can now see your point...sorry.

Now seeing that the time must have been fixed and the fact that the OCSD didn't get the register tape for that day until August and all the other hints of wrong doing maybe Oswego has met its match.
 

September 16/18

 



Sentencing phase of Gary Thibodeau-diary and Mrs. Granger's statement
Diary was exculpatory but Dodd didn't turn it over until sentencing?




Still think Gary got a fair trial or that there wasn't prosecutorial misconduct? What about the judge allowing all these things to happen?

 

September 16/18




RE: Heidi Allen
“There are witnesses who try to help and witnesses who try to help themselves.”
I believe Mr. Stinson was the former. His testimony simply showed the prosecutions timeline was False and, therefore, the inmates’ testimony uncorroborated.
 

September 15/18



To Dave Stinson
I hope you don't think anyone thinks you were involved with a crime. I don't, but when I read your statement and you said you were there at 7:40 and left at 7:58 it seems like you would have had to seen something. Of course not getting the trial transcript and only reading Oakes' Statement of Facts leaves a lot of questions.

For Ex: Swenkowski's statement said he got there at 7:40 and saw Richard. But Oakes left his time out in the first article about Swenkowski. And if his watch says 7:41 and yours says 7:41, the register time doesn't matter...but I think it was fixed to be fast.

We ( I ) am only concerned about how this inv. went down. I don't believe Dodd, Oakes or most of the OCSD at that time. Too much info not looked at...intentionally....like MB white van, Jenn W. spilling her guts, Jenn W. lying about where she lived, who she knew, no one seeing Gary there...simply, there wasn't a case.

I guess it would seem logical that the register time was fixed for all the right reasons. ????? never checked it until 7 days later?
At first I believe I read the wall clock was wrong and it hangs above the counter so H.A. probably never noticed it.

But I do hope this all comes crashing down.

And a lot of statements were massaged by OCSD...they can't agree on the color of one van. Bivens said he isn't sure there was even a van there. First sightings of a van....were white and that got changed.

Hopefully Lisa wins and the FBI comes to town.
 

September 15/18

 




Heidi Allen
Dave Stinson writes:
At 7:42 a.m. Easter Sunday April 3rd 1994 Heidi Allen sold 2 packs of cigarettes at the D&W
convenience store in New Haven Ny.
I was the next customer.
The kids had their Easter baskets and my wife wanted a Sunday paper to read while I went
to the Gym. She was “springing” the clock ahead one hour as I walked out the door. The minute
hand was exactly halfway between 7:35 & 7:40 I petted the geese, got to where I had parked
the car (out of the mud), and drove the 8/10ths of a mile to D&W.
A few days later (April 7th) Investigator Hall and I repeated this drive. He was trying to
narrow the time that was unaccounted for. We put my arrival at 7:41. Estimated by My house
Time! We went into the store to call my house and compare my clock with the register clock.
Surprisingly, the register clock was now way off. The register clock was broken; To be accurate,
each clerk had to set the clock each morning and today's clerk hadn’t set it. We supposed Heidi
had set it when she worked Easter morning.
Interestingly, while Investigator Hall and I were there a man had trouble with the gas pump
and one of the girls went out to ‘flip the handle up’ for him. The girls laughed at his mechanical
ability and said, “ it happens all the time”. There was now more than one girl minding the store. I
thought that smart. But I wondered if going outside while alone would be smart.
I had driven to the D&W and arrived at 7:40 - 7:41. Again, My House Time. There was a red
station wagon where an employee would park and a white car out by the corner for sale. But
there were no customer cars, So I zipped by the front steps and parked close. It was raining.
I grabbed a sunday paper off the stack and thumbed through it. I wanted to make sure it had
been assembled with the TV guide and coupons. They come separately. The clerk wasn’t
Visible. I presumed she was in the restroom. The door was closed. Or in the back. I had heard a
noise. (probably a cooler kicking on I now believe.). I put down $1.50 for the paper. Almost
immediately, another man came in and did the same. Then another. They had no reason to
stay, I had said that I would, “tell the clerk”. Out of courtesy I waited to explain the $4.50. Still no
clerk. I checked the restroom, gave a hello, checked around… No clerk.
There was a purse, and car keys on the counter behind the cashiers area. There was meat
on the slicer and coffee in the pot. The register was closed with $1.38 showing on the display.
Everything looked OK. The only thing out of place was a Pall times paper on the floor behind the
register counter. (Later, Investigator Yerdon told me, the newspaper on the floor was friday’s
and somebody may have a had a weapon under it to get Heidi away from the duress alarm that
was near the cash register)
I had looked around the store but hadn’t looked down cellar. I didn’t want to appear
suspicious. It took a few minutes before another customer showed up. Pat Granger bought
$5.00 of gas and came in. ( I knew Pat from the Plant) Then John Glenister came in, to return
cans. (I didn’t know him) We checked the first floor thoroughly. I walked outside to check around
the employee’s car and around the building. As I got to the car (Heidi's) I saw a sheriff's car at
the corner and waved him in. It was Rick Curtis. I knew Rick also. He had worked with me as a
security guard at the plant a few years earlier. It was now 7:58. My watch time. Curtis checked
the store and called it in.
I wrote my own statement while I was still at D&W that morning. Investigator Herby Yerdon
wrote another with me 2:48 pm 3 April 1994. He wanted to log everything I had done since I’d
woke up: Breakfast, pet-the-geese, everything. I kept copies of those statements.
Heidi’s sister Lisa Burke had written a book. (Where’s Heidi) She got things a little wrong:
There wasn’t any money on the counter before I got there and I hadn’t “run to the street yelling
for the first car.” I had calmly flagged the police in, still thinking we had an inattentive or injured
clerk. And honestly, I wanted to get on with my day.
Someone recently showed me the Oswegonylion.com website. I don’t enjoy being misquoted
and accused of complicity by the short bus armchair sleuths that cut spelling and math class.
So, I will respond to a few twisted internet threads:
I didn’t know Heidi's name at 7:40, John Glenister was there before the sheriff, and there was
no snow for footprints or lack thereof. (as someone on Oswegonylion.com website claims Pat
Granger wrote a year later. The whole letter wasn’t posted).
I had arrived at the store at 7:40 or 7:41 MY TIME! ONCE. Not before and after Thibodeau.
Heidi was gone before I got there. I didn’t see Swenkowski, or her last customer, (presumably
Thibodeau), or ‘husky’ men wrestling anyone into a van. Regrettably, I missed it all.
I was pretty confident of my arrival time and the weather. I never changed my statement or
time to match the broken register time. It was the job of Police to reconcile the clocks and
collate the timeline.
Later as a witness, I wasn’t allowed to watch the trial. Apparently witnesses corrupt each
others testimony. I probably know less about this story than many people - except for my
testimony. But I have since read some transcripts and News. For those that didn’t bother to do
any research, here's the Timeline:
Swenkowski testified he saw ‘the van’ move up to the front steps. Tr 1239
Bivens testified as to seeing a van and two husky men. (and flurries in the air) Tr. 1285
He came forward after the reward and a photo of Thibodeau's van was posted in the
newspaper.
I testified that I arrived and didn’t see anyone.Tr 1396
After 1995, I wasn’t called to testify again. But, I have spoken with certain people as new
“evidence” arose:
I met with Lisa Peebles. (Aug 7 2014) She told me, “she had been tasked by the Federal
government to ensure Gary Thibodeau had received a fair trial.” I met with her to ensure she
had a copy of my statements and notes; how sure I was of my time, the weather, and the
broken clock. She already had them.
Bill Pierce from Hannibal stated (20+ years later) he couldn’t turn around on Easter Sunday
due to “slush & ice”. When I saw Pierce on the news I called the DA’s office and they were well
aware that there wasn’t any ice & slush, or snow.
I’ll add this:
Juror #3. Elizabeth Head now believes: Gary was innocent, there was no real evidence, and
she was told to vote for the side she believed most. (Quotes from TV interview w/ Matt
Mulcahey, Aug.2018)
This last statement by juror #3 disturbs me greatly. Dramatic as it may sound; A community’s
collective conscience and Gary Thibodeau’s conviction once hung on jury diligence.
Gary Thibodeau died in prison 12 August 2018.
 

September 14/18


Does anyone else think
Does anyone else think that someone-Murtaugh-switched the VIN number on the inoperable blue van that was on Gary’s property during two searches that was stolen in August of 1994 with the VIN from the van that was REALLY used to kidnap Heidi?

It’s not like his buddies, John and/or Mike Bohrer didn’t drive around with switched plates. **refer to documents filed for the Hearing regarding Deputy Crisafulli pulling over who is known as John Bohrer in 1992(?) with switched plates and dropping him off near the Gay 90’s, aka Spinners.**

https://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/evidence_shows_the_

bohrer_brothers_lived_near_heidi_allen_kidnapping_site_in_199.html

Crisafulli must be a much better investigator to find out that John had a warrant for a different state but when it came to the investigation of Heidi’s disappearance, neither the Sheriff’s Department nor the District Attorney’s Office could find Mike Bohrer’s conviction relating to Mrs. Schmitt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSG5sriERnw

 

September 14/18



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Still don't believe there was a cover up?

- Mike Bohere stated about the CI card found in the D&W parking lot BEFORE that information was released.
- Stinson said he was at the D&W before and after Richard was there but did not see a kidnapping.
- Mike Bohere received a fax from the OCSD.
- Balasdaro ( jail house snitch ) now has changed his story and this could be huge.
- Jenn Wescott.." after 20 years I still have to tell you guys that there were 2 vans."
- Judge King..what can you say about this guy? He stopped Lisa from calling Tonya as a witness.
- 10 people testified that 3 guys said they committed the kidnapping. Judge King said the fact that all the stories were different made this info useless?????
- Why wasn't DNA testing done on the bracelet left in the mail box?
- A person told police that he borrowed MB's white van to scrap with. This too was not investigated..wow!
- Why was Tonya getting death threats? That would mean the real suspects are still out there, but Gary was in prison....think about it.
- Moe Todd said he had very little to do with the Heidi Allen case. Biggest case in the county and the sheriff wasn't involved?
- Neighbors at the airport stated that county issued cars were going in there almost nightly around 3-4 AM.

AND FINALLY THE GUY IN THE COURTROOM IN 2014 SAID.." WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING OSWEGO?" "WE COULD HAVE CRACKED THIS CASE IN 2 WEEKS."

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC
 

September 13/18



Jenn Wescott
Am I making too much out of this stuff.
Last nite was watching HA doc. at 49.50 seconds ( minutes?) the video stops in the interrogation room ( Jenn ) and then a lap top appears on the table next to the cop.
Looks like video jumped, edited, skipped, was stopped. I also posted about Jenn being asked when something happened and she says "August". The same thing happened.
What do you think?
Also MB stated about the lost CI card BEFORE that info was released. I think MB, Roger and Steen were hired to get rid of her. And the fax to MB, pretty hard to dial the wrong number and just get lucky to send it to MB. If Lisa gets lucky with Wrongful COnviction and the FBI suspects a cover up it's gonna be a picnic watching these assholes go down.
The wrong ppl are taking polygraphs.
https://youtu.be/pwNbewrBOks


At about 48.31 with Oakes in the room is the one where the lap top appears.
The first interrogation by Pietrowski is the one that she was asked when it happened and she says " August" and you can see the video jump, skip etc.
This video has been edited but by who and why?
 

September 13/18




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Reading the Statement Of Facts, Bivens gives 2 versions of van. It was light blue, then it was whites blue with dark stripe and then he says there may have been a van there I am not really sure.
I think we all have enough info to know who was paid to get Heidi, Jenn gave valuable info that wasn't used??? Why interrogate her then?
We have read about no one seeing GT at the store, not even Swenkowski who was there at the same time as Richard.
Of course we can only hope for Lisa to be granted a Wrongful Conviction and then the FBI investigates this.
But after all this, I wonder: WHAT THE CHILDREN, WIVES, BROTHERS, SISTERS, COUSINS, FRIENDS ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THE OCSD, WHO WAS INVOLVED AND DID MY FATHER REALLY PLAY A PART INTO THE CONVICTION OF AN INNOCENT MAN?

Why was Dodd so quick to go to trial? Did he know something we don't? There wasn't any evidence and the investigation should have led into another direction after they came up with nothing.

But still.." God I hope Dad didn't have anything to do with getting an innocent man convicted and sent away to die in prison. I just can't see how he didn't. There are so many questions that have no answers, the story doesn't hold water. Nothing I see could convict Gary.
I believe you Dad, at least that is what I tell you.
I'd tell you I love you Dad, but I don't.
NOW LIVE WITH IT.


September 12/18


Trudy - Bohrer's Friend
Fact!!Trudy's death was labeled a suicide. It is also fact she burned alive. But her home also burned to the ground. Here's more fact. It's a fact she allowed Bohrer to live with her out of state for a short time. When she began to fear him, she kicked him out of her home. Then she died and her home burned. Strange facts, but all true. The suicide is claimed to have had a proper investigation in to it, but if they were unaware of Bohrer's presence and his back ground, just prior to her death. How well of an investigation was actually done?
 

September 9-10/18



Here you go, Dick and Greg
More proof that YOU are mislead about the carpet piece from Richard's van.
Inline image
Why did the judge allow the jurors to go to the Sheriffs garage to see the van when there were Many pictures and Kleist testified that there was no indication Heidi was ever in that van?
Hey, what do you know, that transcript page also shows Greg to be more of a liar then we thought from his Matt Mulcahy interview. Greg, you didn't put any of this rebuttal testimony in your 'Statement of Facts'.
Proof after proof after proof that there was no evidence that linked Richards van to Heidi.
I have more legal document proof for anyone not convinced Richards van is irrelevant to the disappearance of Heidi.
WOW, Kleist testified that a fold-up army shovel was not found during any of the Thibodeau's property searches. Another piece of uncorroborated bs from the inmates.


 


                                                                                                                            September 9-10/18


Search Warrant
Was there a search warrant for the piece of carpet that was missing from the April 9, 1994 complete search of the van to April 28, 1994 when the van was seen at the car wash?

Even though it was an illegal search and seizure, thank goodness there was a police receipt and testing, with results, done on the carpet or Dodd's theory about the van being washed 'could' have been true. It's the people who haven't seen or want to admit to themselves the FACTS who still believe the BS van washing theory. It's not about whether or not to believe this witness, the evidence, and facts thereof, Was presented during the trial.

Soo.....no link to Heidi ever being in the van on April 9, 1994 when it was forensically tested by OCSD with samples sent to the FBI. No link to Heidi after April 28, 1994 when the van was seen being washed, missing carpet piece illegally confiscated and FBI tested to reveal dog blood (just like this witness testified to) and (logically) STILL no evidence of Heidi so the van was returned to Richard after Gary's passing.





 

 


Comment about the Lion Whiner
Being the psychic, seer, having ESP if you will, or above average intelligence....I predict the whiner will next say something to the effect of blah, blah, "hiding behind a keyboard" while also not revealing their own identity. HAHAHA, typical hypocrite. I vow to reveal my identity when Greg agrees to answer questions from the public. Quid pro quo, if you will. Not prearranged questions. He will be allowed notes as he obviously doesn't know as much about this case as he claims.

You are right, though, their whining will have the opposite effect of what they hope for-that people will shut up about the Injustice done to Gary, the inept/incompetent investigation by Oswego County Sheriff's in re Heidi disappearance. It's very hard to ignore the blatant disrespect and misconduct by the DA's office, then and now, to try to keep hidden who may have In Reality/Truthfully been involved with Heidi's disappearance.

P.S. Keep reading. Maybe you'd (whiner) care to productively contribute to any conversation...anonymously, if you choose.
                                                                                                                            September 8/18

 



Ed has not run out of room for all submissions, yet!
I do not believe we will ever know who took Heidi, but what makes this whole mess so unbelievable is how the investigation was handled as well as the trial and appeals process, if this is normal judicial process then we are in trouble, this site has had consistent submissions about Heidi's abduction and yes when Gary passed and when we have an over privileged Sheriff running for a higher office it is of concern to some. People who complain about the spelling, grammar and content are certainly missing the point of this medium provided by Mr. Harrington, you are also the type of person who believes if you have nothing to hide then it should be ok to see and search ones home and belongings, it's just not!

Unbelievable....speechless



                                                                                                                            September 7/18

 




“There are two kinds of witnesses.

Those who are trying to help and those who are trying to help themselves.”

What did Pietroski or Rojak tell Jennifer Wescott about lying? It’s hard to keep track of the lies?!?

Here’s one way to get by with lies in a Court of Law---Simply state “I don’t recall”. Because, yeah, that makes the witness credible only if they ‘fit’ the prosecutions narrative or agenda. Right, Greg?


                                                                                                                            September 7/18



The one complaining seems to think anyone cares.
Fact is, no one does. What do we think, we think you need to find something creative to do and if you have an issue with posters then wouldn't common sense tell you the lion isn't for you? Instead you are on here attempting to silence many, because of your vendetta with the Gary Thibodeau case. Well sorry to tell you even though you are use to being a bully and seem to think you can control the population I will link the lion to a few wall's of Gary supporters there are thousands and we will blow up the feeds to make your day even brighter. How's that sound?
                                                                                                                            September 7/18



Yeah Heidi was a CI....and then conveniently not a CI
Oh Lortie Lortie Lortie! New developments in the Heidi Allen case? Trudie Lortie wanted to be a cop, sued for discrimination. UPDATED
This interesting post appeared on the Oswego Lion May 27th 2016
http://www.oswegonylion.com/news.html

                                                                                                                            September 7/18



Oswego Lion May 27th 2016

"Heidi Allen news....
All True?
Was it not True officer Lortie was married to a psychic. Was it also a fact this same officer ran the Heidi center and had rented a possible place to Bohrer as well. Is it not a fact that a psychic went to the prison with Bohrer and pretended to be an investigator when he did ? isn't that same psychic Officer Lortie wife? Why would a psychic, who is married to the officer who has access and control in certain areas of this investigation. Friends or some sort of acquaintance to Bohrer? Why would the investigators wife the psychic, Ever visit Gary Thibodeau in prison? But why would she also go along with the idea Bohrer was a self proclaimed investigator ? Knowing that was a lie? Who faxed Bohrer documents from the investigation from the DA office? Is this also the same psychic that Lisa Peebles tried to insert in to Gary's hearing, the paperwork Bohrer had on the psychic he was tugging around with. By the name of Trudy last name Lortie. Notes and information he obtained that described not only how she died. But where she might be? Did this same psychic later have Bohrer live with her out of state? So many questions. But a very strange connection. If the Sheriffs are such exceptional investigators. This officer Lortie if he did indeed rent property to Bohrer at one point, or sold, shared, anything. How does he not know who the person is he rented to? With a criminal past like Bohrer's, it did not seem very difficult information for Gary's attorneys to obtained? I wouldn't say he was a very good investigator. These are the people that everyone's listening to that helped prosecute Gary. OZwego County Citizens. Are you outta your flipping minds!!! FREE GARY!!
May 27/16"

Oswego Lion is a local blog of gossip, rumor and news that other mainstream outlets would not usually publish. It often turns up things that later make it into the more mainstream media, but is not necessary to be taken as proven fact.
We saw this a few days ago, but it has now been re-posted at the Facebook Page run by Gary Thibodeau's family and supporters which makes it more likely there is something to the story. Some of the allegations lend credence to other information that has been rumored in the past. We will cover that later in this article. https://www.facebook.com/FREEGARYTHIBODEAU/
We know Trudie Lortie visited Gary Thibodeau, in jail with Prime suspect Michael Bohrer who, FBI profiler, Clint VanZandt, eluded to in the recent Dateline special on the Heidi Allen case.
Lisa Peebles provided Trudie Lortie's sign in details from the prison records, in one of her filings to Judge King's court.
Gary Thibodeau talked to Alex Dunbar in a recently televised interview with CNY Central and recalled the visit of the psychic. Initially Gary didn't remember but then he recalled and gave some interesting detail to reporter Alex Dunbar.
http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/2016/03/gary-thibodeau-speaks-out-in-his-first_15.html

"Oh - the psychic. He said he was an investigator and she was a psychic and wanted to hug me," Thibodeau recalled.

It looks like Deputy Lortie maybe is now retired.. he got an award in December 2003.

"PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS Leg. Rush along with Undersheriff Robert Lighthall the Public Safety Committee members, and Roy Lortie, Patrol Officer Lt. came forward to present Lieutenant Lortie with an award for 29 years of service. "
http://www.oswegocounty.com/legislature/meetings/2004/LEG121103-2pm.pdf

Trudie Lortie wanted to be a cop, sued for discrimination.

Post Standard Jan 7th 1989
"CNY N E W S Woman Charges Town with Bias PARISH - The wife of an Oswego County sheriff's deputy claims she was discriminated against by the town of Parish after she was denied a job on the town's police force. In a complaint filed with the State Division of Human Rights, Trude Lortie of Colosse said she was not given a police job because of her gender. Jerome Mirabito, an independent counsel representing Parish, said Friday the town received notice of the complaint in September. " The town has denied the charge, Mirabito said. The alleged offense occurred sometime between July and September 1988, according to Mirabito, but no further details have been released. Lortie, wife of Deputy Roy Lortie, could .not be reached for comment. Walter Byrne, director of the state Human Rights Division, said details of complaints regarding human rights cannot be publicly disclosed by his office. Once a complaint is filed,- Byrne said, an investigation is conducted and, depending on its outcome, a hearing may be scheduled. The town of Parish has not received notice of a hearing date, Mirabito said" Post Standard Jan 7th 1989

Something else in common with wanna be cop, Michael Bohrer?

We looked up Trudie Lortie, in old newspaper articles. We expected to find an ad or two advertising her services as a psychic, but came up short.
She doesn't seem to have ever gotten into any legal trouble, or been written about in any articles, or have had any affiliations with groups or clubs. All we could find was her Marriage announcement to Sheriff Deputy Roy C. Lortie, her death notice from 2006, some real estate transactions and a bankruptcy, shortly before she died.

"Trudie M. Lortie November 26, 2006 Trudie M. Lortie, 50, of Parish, died in Pennsylvania on Sunday: Born in Watertown, Trudie is the daughter of Anna and Arthur Grossnickle. Trudie graduated from APW School in 1974. She worked as a bartender and retired as a Mold Operator with General Motors. Trudie loved her family, fun times, camping and country music. We will all miss her. Trudie is survived by her parents; three sisters, Melodie Hall of Susquehanna, PA, Sherie (Mark) Strife of Syracuse, and Joann (Ralph) Harris of Hastings, NE; three brothers, Terry (Mary) Hall of E. Syracuse, Lee Hall of Charlotte, NC, and Reginald Hall of Parish; and many nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, cousins, and great-nieces and nephews. Calling Hours: Monday, 12 to 2 p.m. at Traub Funeral Home, 684 N. Main Street, Central Square. Service: Monday, 2 p.m. immediately following the calling hours at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Trudie's mother, Anna Grossnickle towards the purchase of a monument.
Traub Funeral Home Central Square NY "

Comment on the Oswego Lion

Trudie Lortie's obit. mentions several occupations, but nothing about being a psychic.
It does say she was a bartender. We know Michael Bohrer told Sheriff investigators, in his recorded and published 2013 interview, that he hung out and blended into the background at local bars, hoping to overhear details in his investigation regarding Heidi's disappearance. Maybe this is how he met Trudie Lortie

"3267 state Route 69, Mexico, $79,000; Trudie M. Lortie Estate to Dan 0. Barnhard
Syracuse Post StandardThursday, December 18, 2008, Syracuse, New York"
She seems to have had property in Mexico NY , despite living in Pennsylvania that was sold off 2 years after she died.
UPDATE" This comment was just posted.
AnonymousJune 2, 2016 at 4:36 PM
3267 state Route 69, Mexico, NY. Look it up, it's right near the tracks just before Red Mill Road. Behind it are the woods and Rice Road. Maybe Lisa Peebles should have the cadaver dogs check that location?
Updated. It is a strange connection? Bohrer's Medspars address was 3146 State Route 69, just down the road from Trudie Lortie's 3267 State Route 69.
It's ironic that the one psychic Sally Naramore was trying to send investigators to the same area the other physic lived. We think there is more to this. We didn't find out how and when Trudie Lortie acquired this property.

"1819 Court St. — $45,000 — Ruth G. O'Brien to Trudie M Lortie on Jan. 20 2000

1819 Court St. — $62,000 — Trudie M. Lortie to Kimberly A. Wheeler on Dec. 12. 2000"

In 2000, she seems to have lived in Syracuse for a year and owned property on Court Street.
She sold it less than a year later for a decent profit to someone named Wheeler. We wonder if they were any relation to Investigator Robert Wheeler from OCSD, but that's just speculation on our part.
Wheeler was confronted in court in 1995 by, then defense lawyer, Joe Fahey for inconsistencies as to when Gary Thibodeau became a suspect. He narrowly escaped perjury charges.
He was involved with getting jailhouse snitch testimony against Gary.
He also went alone to talk to "Danny Barney" after Heidi's father and a probation officer, named him as a suspect.
No record of what was said has surfaced and why he eliminated Dan Barney. The next day Wheeler records Gary Thibodeau as prime suspect in the days investigation notes from OCSD.
It's a common name and unlikely connected, but does anyone know if Kimberly A. Wheeler is a relative of Deputy. Wheeler, who Trudie sold her home to?

"Trudie M. Lortie, Parish, Chapter 13, major unsecured creditor. First USA Bank, Wilmington, Del., $7,976. Syracuse Post Standard August 25, 2005"
A bankruptcy was filed shortly before she died and may have been related to medical expenses? She seemed to be able to hold onto the property she owed in Mexico NY.


Syracuse Herald JournalSunday, August 12, 1984, Syracuse, New York
"MR. AND MRS. LORTIE The Rev. Dean Hill heard the wedding vows of Miss Trudie N. Banks and Roy C. Lortie July 7 in Parish Methodist Church. The bride is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Grossnickle of Parish. The bridegroom is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Leon Lortie of Watertown. Matron of honor was Anna Grossnickle. mother of the bride. Bridesmaids were Linda Stitt, Darcy Spencer, aunt of the bride, and Joann Hall, sister of the bride. Traci LaBreck and Melissa Spencer were flower girls. Rick Spencer, uncle of the bride, was best man. Robert Griffith and Todd Rhoad ushered- Jeff Nash was attendant Ring bearers were Ryan Braky and Jeremy Spencer. After a reception in Hastings Fire Station, the couple vacationed in Jamboree. Wheeling, W. Va. The bride, a graduate of Altmar-Parish-Wllllamstown High School, is employed by General Motors, Fisher Body Division. The bridegroom, a graduate of General Brown Central School, is employed by the Oswego County Sheriff's Department."

Roy and Trudie Lortie may have been separated and Roy Lortie remarried as there was a real estate transaction recorded in 1990 for Roy C. Lortie and Sandra S. Lortie. It could have been a relative, but it looks like Trudie was out of the picture before Heidi Allen disappeared in 1994.
Syracuse Post Standard September 12, 1990

Syracuse Post Standard January 13, 2000 (full article below)
Syracuse Post Standard December 18, 2003 (full article below)
The rental of property to Michael Bohrer ties into this old post on the now defunct Peeled Onion Blog from May 12, 2015.

http://heidiallenarticles.blogspot.com/2015/10/left-overs-from-peeled-onion-blog.html

Here are Bohrer's notes that Sheriff investigators got from him in 2013 and were eventually turned over to Federal Public Defender, Lisa Peebles, before the hearing.

Another comment on the Oswego Lion
Deputy Lortie wrote the report that Joe Fahey , then Gary Thiboeau's lawyer, saw in 1995. This is at the heart of the defense case, that the full CI information wasn't turned over to Fahey in 1995. Van Patten wrote a report at the same time Fahey was asking questions about the Lortie report in 1995. Deputy Van Patten had dropped the CI card years earlier, outside the D& W.

The Lortie Report 4/27/94
Heidi Allen's role as drug informant was issue at 1994 hearing
Mike McAndrew | mmcandrew@syracuse.comBy Mike McAndrew | mmcandrew@syracuse.com
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on January 13, 2015 at 10:34 AM, updated January 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The question of whether Heidi Allen was an informant for the Oswego County Sheriff's Department before she was kidnapped was first raised in 1994 when lawyers for Gary Thibodeau were preparing to defend him before his trial.
Below is a story that was published Dec. 7, 1994 in The Post-Standard. It reports that Thibodeau's lawyers were planning to ask a judge to order the district attorney's office to turn over any records it possessed relating to Allen being a confidential drug informant.
This week, Thibodeau's lawyers are back in court seeking a new trial for him in part because they say prosecutors and the sheriff's office did not turn over records that showed Allen was a drug informant, records that they say could have helped them defend Thibodeau at his trial.
Former Oswego County Judge Jack Brandt testified this morning at the hearing.
District Attorney Greg Oakes has said the defense was provided with all required records before Thibodeau's 1995 trial.
HEIDI ALLEN'S ROLE AGAIN QUESTIONED
By Janet Gramza
A defense lawyer in the Heidi Allen case has renewed questions about whether the 18-year-old New Haven girl was working as a police informant when she vanished from the D&W Convenience store April 3.
Kidnapping suspect Gary Thibodeau's lawyer, Joseph Fahey, said his questions are based on a report by an Oswego County sheriff's sergeant who recognized Allen's name as that of a "confidential informant" the morning she disappeared.
Fahey said he will ask Oswego County Judge John W. Brandt on Thursday to direct the prosecution to disclose all information about Allen's possible activities as an informant.
Sheriff's department officials say Allen did speak to deputies about an unrelated drug case two years before she disappeared, and the information she gave was never used.
Fahey said that if that's the case, it would bolster his efforts to get the case against Thibodeau dismissed.
Gary Thibodeau, 41, and his brother, Richard, are charged with first- and second-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Allen, based in part on statements by two men who were in the Worcester County Jail in Massachusetts at the same time as Gary Thibodeau. Thibodeau was in jail awaiting trial, after he was arrested in May as a fugitive from Massachusetts on misdemeanor cocaine-possession charges.
The two former inmates, Robert Baldasaro and James McDonald, claim he told them he abducted Allen because she was "going to get him in trouble" with the police over drugs.

Fahey said his interest in getting the answer was piqued by a report by sheriff's Sgt. Roy Lortie about Allen's disappearance.
In his report, Lortie wrote that when he heard a transmission about Allen's disappearance on the police scanner April 3, he recognized her name as that of a confidential informant who had worked with the department's Anti-Crime Team when he oversaw it in 1991 and 1992.
Lortie wrote that he informed Undersheriff Reuel Todd that a confidential-informant file on Allen should be in the department's locked drug files. "The file would include names of dealers that Allen would have been involved with, " Lortie wrote.
Lortie also reported that investigators were at first unable to locate the file, and asked Allen's police contact, Deputy Chris Van Patten, where it was.
"Van Patten did not recall Allen as a confidential informant in 1991 until (I) reminded him, " Lortie wrote. "Van Patten then called the office and had someone check his mailbox. The file was located and relayed to the crime scene."
Fahey and Richard Thibodeau's lawyer, Bill Walsh, said Tuesday they had not been given a confidential-informant file on Allen in response to their discovery demands requiring the prosecution to show them its evidence in the case.
Sheriff's Lt. Dean Goodsell and Todd said Tuesday that there is no formal file, because Allen was not really an informant.
Goodsell and Todd said they stand by past statements that Allen had talked to investigators in 1992 about possibly informing on a drug deal involving a friend, but the case never went anywhere. Goodsell said the case did not involve the Thibodeaus.


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Here's a piece of evidence I guess the OCSD must have " forgotten " to investigate:
oswegonylion news page
www.oswegonylion.com/news.html
OSWEGONYLION.COM. aka oswego lion OSWEGO NY 13126. ... "after 20 years I still have to ell you there was a second van". Mike Bohere had a white van that he lent to a person who gave a statement of this...but this was not investigated. ... MB moved to Mexico with his brother after his wife left him because of abuse.

*** remember Jenn and others said they saw a WHITE VAN. Richard's van is BLACK AND WHITE.
                                                                                                                            September 7/18

 



To Thibodeau, OCSD, wrong spelled words, same person...I don't think so.
All these don't make sense???/ Typos they are typos.
You sound like a OCSD that is panicking. Hang on, it's gonna get worse. Hear this: how did Stinson NOT see a kidnapping if he in his own words was there before Richard and after Richard. This case is falling apart.
 

September 6/18



Thibodeau, OCSD and misspelled words
CAT...c-a-t
You're so smart, answer this:
What would chairs look like if our knees were behind our legs?
Or: If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?
Or: What's the difference between 3/8s and 2/8s?
 

September 6/18




New 'suspects'
Bohrer, Breckenridge, Steen, Barney, Murtaugh....ALL had some involvement with the investigation in 1994/1995.

Greg, read your own filing. NONE of them were just cherry picked from 'bad' members of the community. AND, some of them even 'confessed' to what happened to Heidi. sir (not capitalized for a reason), you are a dope and should be fired or resign from embarrassment. 3 cadaver dogs indicated in the cabin in the woods but, yet, not one of 6 State dogs so much as indicated on Gary's property. Which according to your narrative, Heidi was taken, dismembered, burned in Gary's stove, buried on his property or (at the same time) taken to MA in the Caddy on April 3, 4, 5 when it was PROVEN they were in Oswego!!

**Silent prayer that Oswego County will be rid of it's vermin masquerading as 'fighters for justice'.**

Lisa B,

You were right about an aspect of the Appeals that were sensationalized....the fact that an inoperable van was stolen from Gary's property in August 1994 by Breckenridge, Murtaugh and another. You know, from being in court and listening to the evidence (lack of) that the blue van on Gary's property could NOT have/did not have any sign that your sister was in it. Likewise, there was no evidence that Heidi was ever in Richards van. Additionally sensationalized was the disturbing of the area off Rice Road. Your DA claimed publicly that it was a reporter and former investigator who disturbed the area when, in fact, it was 2 other people who claimed responsibility days before Greg made his public accusation.

However, what was not sensationalized was the fact that 3 people who were investigated in 1994/1995 stated that they knew what happened to Heidi. The cadaver dog indications on Rice Road, also, were not sensationalized. It is a fact that they indicated as opposed to no indications from State dogs on Gary's property in June and/or July 1994-when the scent would have been 'fresh'.

It really is sad to keep believing lies!!

 

September 6/18

 



DB
Dan Barney is a pos, but the DA believes he's an angel and must be Bobby Wheeler did also for crossing him off the list as probable suspect. Now big ol Dan sits on the town board of New Haven the very town Heidi vanished from. Ironic.
 

September 6/18




Re: Just Curious
Yes, he did. It’s in the Defense’s filing and the document has been posted many times and reported in the news-Among the exhibits in the court papers, results of a lie detector test taken by Gary Thibodeau from prison in 1996. The certified polygraphist concludes there "are no significant reactions to the above questions that are indicative of deception."

 



Re: Mrs. Granger's statements
Yes, they were turned over during the sentencing phase of Gary’s trial. Dodd wrote a letter in August 1995 about the statements and the copy of Heidi’s diary in the popo’s possession. Damn shame that Dodd KNEW about these three items and didn’t turn them over to the Defense so Fahey may have had time to use them during the trial for the jurors to take into consideration. Isn’t the prosecution required to turn over witness statements a week before trial? Why did Judge Clary not take opposition to, at least, Mrs. Granger’s April 3, 1994 statement not being turned over until July 1995?

Strategic move not to turn them over? I’d say so. The diary had no mention of Richard or Gary and we KNOW the diary was used in Richard’s trial.

More and more research into this case makes Dodd and the investigators look crooked. I hope KARMA comes swift and hard for those a-holes.
 

September 6/18

 



Re: Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
What do you think? I
can tell at least 4 different writers of comments about the
Gary Thibodeau/Heidi Allen case/ incompetent OCSD.

Since we’re playing
psychoanalysis of comments, I can tell that the 2 commenters
(about how many people they think are commenting) have a
particular personal grudge against someone. No, no
need to confirm that I’m right.

 

September 6/18

 


I do not pay that much attention to spelling especially when you are dealing with auto complete

and auto correct and I cannot always tell who is behind an email address. Between the teachers

unions and the various education departments spelling and grammar have been butchered to a

point that there is probably no going back to the English language of 50-60 years ago.


All things considered I would say there appears to be 4 or 5 regular posters re: Heidi Allen/ Gary Thibodeau

and then probably another 3 or 4 that post only once or twice a month.

 

Spelling aside the repeated use of various words, phrases or expressions tends to give a person a voice

which is sometimes quite recognizable. Going back to the election for mayor of Oswego in what, 2016?

Easily 90% of the posts that were pro Barlow or anti Tresseder came from the same two people using a

variety of email addresses.
 



Re: Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
I’ve got to agree. Most of the posts make
no sense and the consistently misspelled words are a
giveaway to one person writing them.
 

September 5/18

 



Mrs. Granger's statements
Mike Bohrer knew when he was writing his notes, etc…for his book in 1995, that Mrs. Granger caught Mr. Stinson lying about going outside to check for Heidi because there were no footprints and he ‘knew’ the clerk was Heidi? But the best Pietroski could ask Bohrer was what the public heard of his questioning? Did anyone think of asking Mr. Stinson again, since he made a statement after reading Heidi’s sisters book, what he recalls of April 3, 1994 or his testimony? Maybe Stinson is witness number 4 that stated something different to LE than what he told them. While we’re counting, witnesses 5 and 6 whose testimony was made to fit the prosecutions narrative were the inmates since, clearly, they had been told details by Gary that he was getting from his family reading him news articles while incarcerated.

The pattern of massaging witnesses is becoming painfully obvious. But yet the AG didn’t see it that way? Unless they were wrongfully steered or information withheld.

No wonder, Greg, that you initially questioned Pietroski’s integrity in a Court of Law. Pietroski, and anyone in LE who thinks something wasn’t wrong with the investigation to begin with or more recent investigation, Should Be Fired!! Get some people in there who can figure out how 1+2=3223112.
 

September 5/18

 

 


Just curious.
Did Gary ever take a lie detector test?

 

September 5/18



Gary Thibodeau..The Death Of Common Sense
Watched the Heidi Allen video on You Tube.....sure looks like it was edited in some spots. You can see Jenn's leg move in a jerky fashion but all the rest of the video is smooth.

Also watched as MB was talked to by a deputy at his trailer. He said he wasn't a violent man: Did time for attempted kidnapping in Wisconsin.

Beat and attempted another one I believe in either Wisconsin or Binghamton area.

Did he beat a woman in Beacon, NY?

Naw he's not violent.
 

September 4/18



As promised
Here is the complete witness statement from Mrs. Granger who was present at the D&W with Mr. Stinson before Deputy Curtis arrived and part of the letter she wrote in July 1995.

To the person who can't understand information for the Heidi Allen case, let's make this real simple.
First, read Mrs. Granger's April 3, 1994 statement. Note the received stamp.
Second, read the handwritten note she sent to LE on July 14, 1995.
Third, note the received stamp on the handwritten letter.

Why were both the initial statement and the letter both stamped for July 21, 1995? Does that mean the April 3, 1994 statement was NOT part of the 'entire' OCSD report that Dodd claimed to have turned over to defense? We July 1995 letter doesn't have a green mark either. Was it EVER turned over to the Defense? More pages are available to read if anyone would like to read the complete letter.

Note, this is witness number 3 who claims that LE did not take her statement correctly. 2 witnesses testified to such and this witness wrote a letter.

Seems to be a pattern of incompetence with those investigators.



 


 




 

                                                                                                                            September 4/18


Dan Barney
Dan Barney what a piece of shit. Yep a real tough guy. Always beats on guys a lot smaller than himself. Never heard about him fighting someone his own size. A big punk. I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with or knew something about Heidi Allen's fate. Just look at his background.

 

September 4/18

 




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
We have all been told of the vast amount of evidence the OCSD had on G.T. Of course we have yet to see, hear or been told about it...you know, like the rabbit in the hat thingy.

So let's just take a look at what the OCSD ignored, didn't follow up on, lied about in and out of court and any other info they chose to hide, forget and bury.

1. Swenkowski held the door for Richard, left at the same time as Richard and NEVER did see Heidi, Gary or a kidnapping taking place.

2. Stinson said he was there before 7:35am and flagged down a cop at 7:55am....but never saw a kidnapping. Which brings us to Bivens who says he did see the crime..but also said he was there between 8-8:30am.

3. Didn't Gary prove thru his relatives that he was home all morning?

4.How did Oakes know the caddy was in MA, when deputies testified in court that they had GT's house under survellence on the 3rd, 4th and 5th and the caddy was in the driveway.

5. How was Sharon spotted around town, talked to a pharmacist and others but was in MA at the same time?

6. Why did VanPatten tell a friend of a big bust coming from the help of a "GIRL" in Oswego?

7. Moe said on Dateline we had numerous people to look at yet never investigated Mike Bohere's white van.

8.Were the neighbors of Steen, Bohere and Breckenridge interviewed to see if they heard any of them leave early that morning?

9. We know a man testified that he borrowed Bohere's WHITE van to scrap with...but again nothing was done except for a cover up. I think I read that the DMV couldn't come up with document proof if MB did own a white van....I can understand how hard it must have been to punch in "Michael Bohere" to find proof. This is Mickey Mouse stuff people.

10. Oakes says he is certain GT is guilty..so Greg please tell us so we can put this to bed before the FBI comes to town.

11. We KNOW Jenn Wescott lived on Rice Road, knew Roger Breckenridge and went to Florida with him...this is on the tapped phone call...but again this too was ignored.

12. In Jenn's interrogation video, she is asked when something happened. She said "August" and then the video stops as if thee was an edit to it. See for yourself....You Tube.."The Heidi Allen Case"

12. "After 20 years I still have to tell you (OCSD) that there were two vans"...Jenn Wescott. Sure sounds like she knew all about this case, lied about not knowing anything and should have been arrested or held for questioning after giving the investigator this info. NOPE, but how do we ignore this? By simply telling the people that a professional investigator knew what he was doing and the public doesn't have any knowledge of how interrogations are done. Excuse me, I am laughing so hard I need a break.

13. Why did Judge King determine the witnesses that heard the 3 say at different times that it was unreliable because they all had different versions. Well Judge King, maybe they heard it at different times...but nice try anyway.

14. Jenn Wescott told them that they brought Heidi to the her house..( the same house Jenn said she never lived at ) and King says it's hearsay because Jenn did not see Heidi. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? How many statements are used in court by DAs to help build a case?
This is one up on the Hostess Twinkie Defense. Of course King you must know that most if not all statements would fall under your hearsay ruling. So why bring Steen etc. to court to tell what they heard...it's all hearsay.

15. Oakes, after just hours determined that the call between TOnya and Jenn wasn't any good...even though it was the investigators telling what to ask.

16. When Jenn was caught lying to the investigator...saying things about a white van etc. why wasn't she arrested on suspicion of knowing or being involved in a crime? Bring her in, ask questions, get some info they needed and then let her go....BRILLIANT!

I guess i could go on and on but if you were the cops, investigating a possible murder would you have ignored all of this?

Who were they covering for?

Brother if you can't answer that question you are really not trying.

First one that talks walks, all others go to prison.The Blue line is now a dotted line!

 

September 2-3/18

 

 

 

Refreshing memories





September 2-3/18



Refute This
What is really messed up over your refuted evidence claim is this. If finding nothing on Rice Road rules these suspects out, then common sense tells even the idiot DA, no human remains on Gary's property or his brothers rules them out as well. Breckenridge also testified Wescott lived on Rice. Maybe Purdy should explain her link to Leo Richardson's bar. But then again they all lie why would she ever tell the real truth? Brian Mensch testified he lived there, Purdy testified she lived there. We could go on and on, Breckenridge testified Wescott lived there, but truth is they are all obviously lying. But why? Purdy has repeated aliases and repeated addresses, wonder if she's aware some know about the camper and the couple who lived in a trailer at the end of rice road in the 90's. Do you truly believe her bullshit seeing as the landlord denies ever living with her in the same trailer. Everyone's refuting, it's the same trick Oj Simpson's attorneys used to free that murderer and the same trick the idiots in OZ used to cover up their cover up. Are you going to refute these facts. Including where Purdy seems to like having her family reunion? Please anyone with a lick of common sense knows one thing, that one thing is simple you morons have blood on your hands and it does not take a genius to figure out who the real culprits are.

Darcy Purdy has 2 rice road addresses lmao the DA didn't look too hard.


September 1/18



Thibodeau/Oakes/OCSD
Does the person who sends you post after post realize that most people don't have a clue what she or he is rambling on about?? Most are so incoherent that it's impossible to decode.

Are we supposed to think it's a bunch of different people writing them when the writing style is the same right down to the misspelled words?

It's really getting old and I know the answer will be if you don't like it, don't read it or don't visit the site. I do like this site but the good stuff gets buried by all the incoherent Heidi Allen case posts.


September 1/18




Gary Thibodeau
Maybe, maybe not that he was a low level drug dealer. I don’t personally know but when people start saying “we didn’t like him” even though they also, didn’t know him, makes one wonder that there had to have been more than just his brother was at the store where Heidi disappeared to want to “get the man”. Obviously, the Sheriff’s department did a great job getting Gary’s NCIC report but yet couldn’t or didn’t find out about Bohrer.? I bet that something like assault on a police officer would make the boys in blue hold a grudge!!

Steen and Bohrer, for sure, admitted to being drug dealers.

Just like the juror said that they thought Gary was in to something but didn’t necessarily think he kidnapped Heidi. Shame on the judges instruction for them to deliberate based on who they ‘believed’. They were in a court of LAW where the burden was ‘Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt’.

Yeah Todd, like they could have found other ‘opportunity’ than a busy Easter morning years after your deputy recklessly dropped Heidi’s CI information in a public parking lot. If she hadn’t been ‘used’ up to that point, maybe she was going to give some usable information or maybe she threatened someone in the lot that morning that acted spontaneously. You guys can live with that shame. Just like the shame of forcing a minor to sign up to avoid their own trouble. Her consequences for what she had done would not have affected the rest of her life. Unless she was vying for public office. Ultimately, Sir, you failed your mission to find Heidi. So, in your infinite wisdom of Gary being guilty even though you claim to have limited involvement with Heidi’s disappearance, What is your speculation as to why Gary didn’t ‘give it up’ like you claim he did to the inmates? Nevermind, don’t answer. I don’t want to hear any more of your cockamamie lies.
                                                                                                                            August 31/18


Same ol trick new victim
It's funny some people have reported loosening of lug nuts on their car. Funny someone just did it to Richard Thibodeau. Better hope nothing happens to Richard Feds are no one to mess with, Murtagh. You have been the only one publically threatening to burn the Thibodeaus home to the ground. Your home would be the first door knocked on then your buddy Dan Barneys. Dumb asses.
                                                                                                                            August 31/18

 

 

The information group is bigger than I thought!
Bohrer also had copies of the investigation in 1994, faxed to him, with the District Attorneys number as the incoming fax.“Are you prohibiting me from asking Mr. Dodd if he faxed documents to a primary suspect?” Bianco asked the judge.
“Yes, I am,” he said. “You’re the one calling him a primary suspect.”
The judge refused to let Gary Thibodeau attorneys , question Donald Dodd on why the District Attorneys office faxed, Bohrer parts of the investigation. Suspect or not. That is not normal procedure. Why and how could this happen? sending investigation material to this guy! needs a closer look, just look for documents with a blue check mark, the system to track this material.
                                                                                                                          August 29-30/18



Set some things aside and he's a regular Joe!
Bohrer was a suspect in two other attempted kidnappings. He was also a suspect in a brutal beating to a female in Beacon, N.Y. Bohrer is from Milwaukee, it seems where ever Bohrer went back then. Things happened to women. Including his wife leaving him, for suspected abuse to his daughters. Now setting all of this aside as the investigating team did, what would make you think he could be involved? now that's more than enough for any linch mob! Why? because they knew he did not do it! which means they knew who did, they also knew it wasn't Gary, but that was their story and boy they struck to it!
                                                                                                                          August 29-30/18


 



Still not a reasonable doubt?
Here are five ways District Attorney Gregory Oakes and Assistant DA Mark Moody refuted the defense:

1. Judge's denial

Oakes objected to an attempt by Thibodeau's lawyer to introduce testimony about a 1981 abduction conviction against one of the three new possible suspects, Michael Bohrer. King ruled the two crimes were not similar enough to admit the 1981 case out of Milwaukee into evidence.

The victim, Catherine Schmitt, was flown in from Milwaukee to testify. But King would not allow it. She told Syracuse.com that Bohrer, a stranger to her, grabbed her from behind and dragged nearly all the way into his car, punching her in the face as he went. Thibodeau's lawyers argued that crime was so similar to Allen's kidnapping that the judge should consider them as proof that Bohrer might have been involved.

2. Who lived at Rice Road?

Darcy Purdy testified she her and her boyfriend were living in a trailer on Rice Road from January 1993 to the end of 1995 -- not Jennifer Wescott or Roger Breckenridge.
If that's the case, it blows a hole in the defense's theory that Breckenridge, Bohrer and James Steen brought the kidnapped Allen to that trailer on Easter 1994.

Purdy produced mail and a marriage registry showing that was her address in 1994. She was married in September 1994.

3. No human remains

A team of investigators from the Onondaga County Medical Examiner's Office spent two days sifting through dirt at the site of a collapsed cabin in the woods off Rice Road but found no human remains.

The team went to the site after a state police cadaver dog indicated it had picked up the scent of human remains near a collapsed cabin in an area close to where Steen alllegedly confessed to hiding Allen's remains.

Deputy Medical Examiner Dr. Laura Knight testified that she's conducted forensic excavations at three sites based on cadaver dogs alerting, but none produced any human remains.

4. Dodd's green marker system

Dodd, who prosecuted Thibodeau, testified that in 1994 and 1995 he had everyone in his office use a green marker to show that a given document had been copied and placed into a box that would be turned over to Thibodeau's lawyers. He said that mark verified that the evidence had been turned over.

Defense lawyer Randi Bianco argued that the green mark only indicated that a document had been copied, not when, by whom, or if it was turned over to Thibodeau's defense. King agreed that the mark only indicated the document had been copied.

5. Confidential informant info kept confidential

The owner of the D&W Convenience Store testified she never disclosed to anyone except her mother and police that she'd found a lost index card and photo revealing Allen was a confidential informant.

Kristine Duell found the items in the D&W parking lot in January 1992 after Deputy Chris Van Patten dropped them there. Van Patten testified that he never revealed Allen's confidential informant status to anyone outside the sheriff's office.

Thibodeau's lawyers contend the dropping of those items exposed Allen's identity as an informant and provided a motive for drug dealers to target her. The lawyers contend reports about the dropped items weren't disclosed to Thibodeau's trial lawyer.

verb (used with object)

to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe.
to distrust.
Archaic. to fear; be apprehensive about. They have control of the word reasonable, another big grey area I guess.


                                                                                                                          August 29-30/18



Fat Lady Sings
It ain't over until the fat lady sings and Jennifer Wescott isn't singing yet, but I'm certain she will be in the end.
Re: Gary Thibodeau..The Death Common Sense
                                                                                                                             August 29-30/18




OAKS
I WONDER IF OUT FAMOUS "LETS MAKE A DEAL" OAKS IS GOING TO GIVE THE TOWN CLERK THAT STOLE $ THE SAME DEAL HE GAVE THE LOWLIFE OSWEGO FIREMAN SMAGELSKI WHO KEEPS ON STEALING

GOTTA LOVE THE LITTLE PUPPET
                                                                                                                             August 29-30/18


conviction or convection?
How many noticed, in a submission I used the words Investigation,trail and convection! no I will not use the word conviction, it wasn't, it was convection Physics. the transfer of heat by the circulation or movement, The transfer of blame. Nothing and I do mean nothing linked Gary to this other than Heidi and the Sheriff, informant confidentiality plays a large role in this puzzle, to protect an informants identity has a wide range of gray area, yes you can lie,cheat and even steal under it's protection, this narrowed the information field to just a few officers, you've seen their names here on this site. This made steering the blame quite easy and in full control of all information within this little group! A low level drug dealer doesn't kidnap he just drives a white caddy, why do cops hate white caddy's?
                                                                                                                             August 28/18


You will never guess who.
Who was at Gary's funeral.
God I hope you are telling truth about this person because this is what I was hoping for seeing that King "leaned" to the DA, evidence ignored, hearsay (bs) King witness statements are used all the time, Jenn Wescott statement ignored, D&W: Stinson, Swenkowski (truthful), taped ph call was used to discredit Tonya, nothing more...Inv. told her what to ask so that kills the day before call as to setting up questions...and why would Tonya do this if her intent was to get to the truth, death threats to Tonya..why?

Oakes.."my kids hair etc would be in my car, they found
nothing in the van...lie. They did, I didn't match Heidi's DNA..per Kliest. Steen: "she was gonna turn in some big big guys". THis says a lot about who, what and when.
Where did RT and GT kill her in such a short period of time.
Oakes lied about caddy being in MA, per deputies stake out of GT's home.
3-4 people at D&W saw NOTHING. Stinson should have as he said he was there before and after & flagged down a cop.but did not see a kidnapping????????
Jenn: "after 20 years I still have to ell you there was a second van".

Mike Bohere had a white van that he lent to a person who gave a statement of this...but this was not investigated.
Guy said someone called Steen morning of his killing 2 ppl but doesn't know who used his phone..yeah right.

The truth is no one is going to kill for being turned in for selling pot.

THE BIG BIG GUYS HIRED THESE 3 TO GET HER AND IT GOES VERY DEEP INTO WHO WAS INVOLVED IN DRUGS AND WHO SUPPLIED THEM.

DON'T YOU WISH YOU HAD A PILOTS LICENSE BACK THEN...YOU COULD HAVE MADE A LOT OF MONEY.

All these obvious mistakes were covered up by a judge and others. This is going to be the crash of all crashes. Wait and see who was involved.

Oakes" I don't have much integrity into the OCSD inv. of this crime". Said that to Lisa Pebbles...then changed his mind after someone talked to him.
And after all this, no sighting of Gary at the store, even when Swenkowski held the door open for Richard, and Stinson said he was there before and after.

Man am I glad I am not any of you guys. Get ready because the FBI does not fool around.

Like the man said...TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK....OH ALL THOSE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS STARTING TO TAKE THEIR TOLL.

Karma baby karma. Now it's your turn.

Congratulations and thank you for all the citizens that uncovered, exposed and pointed this in all the right directions...we did a great job.

Now is your chance to do the right thing....contact Lisa, FBI or DOJ on the qt if you know something.
                                                                                                                             August 28/18

 



WE KNOW IT'S ABOUT HEIDI, YOU P.O.S
For three days I've had no sleep, seeing the words that came out of our top good ole boys mouth,"lets remember this is about Heidi", just hearing you speak her name disgust me, you P.O.S we know this is about Heidi it has been since day one, I believe that your department was involved in her disappearance, and now Gary who was innocent was lost by your hands, the Sheriffs department has innocent blood on their hands and our Government just keeps handing you sanitary wipes to remove and hide your possible crimes against the community you serve, so do not think we have forgotten this is about Heidi, but now it's about you, we are teaching our grand children to know the difference between a Sheriff uniform and car as to a Troopers uniform and car, they will grow up knowing that all police are NOT GOOD. and to avoid your type at all cost!, this is age of corruption, lies and deceit and you are now a gang, I so much hated hearing Mr. Sullivan say I've worked everyday to get were I am, are you kidding, you for some reason had all the bad disappear a chance everyone else does not get, mommy and daddy with the POWER to hide your past,well not so, you just can not get all the dirty stains out of your little laundry basket, YES THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT HEIDI YOU P.O.S you made it about Gary and your corrupt department even your presence at our county fair ruined a nice day! thanks. Who could believe that a group of elected Judges looked over all this bullshit and decided that the investigation, trail and convection was done in accordance with our Judicial system and that they showed beyond any REASONABLE DOUBT that Gary was guilty. How could this be? how high does this injustice go?.
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18


murtagh
Clark Hamilton senior ring a bell you lying pos. you seem to think no one knows who's van you stole well everyone does now don't they. ISN'T his ex girlfriend linked to you. she sure is, she has then and is now once again working for you. sick bastard. guess what murtagh we have an audio of how you steal vans and switch the vin numbers. we are going to leak it to the public by the time you read this. it'll be LIVE
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18


How is it they pulled off the van? This may explain.
https://youtu.be/5TOI2nXNIE4

                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18



Gary the Innocent Thibodeau


 

                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

 

 

 

 

Authorities return Richard Thibodeau's van decades later

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/authorities-return-richard-thibodeaus-van-decades-later

                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

 



You will never guess who.
Who was at Gary's funeral.
Who said what.
Tick tock, tick tock...
The real good ol boys may just rock your clock...\
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18



kicking the beehive!
"I remember her saying she was bringing information back to someone," Carter said. "It was a big deal that she was doing this. Carter remembered that conversation Easter morning 1994, the day Allen, 18, disappeared from her job at the D&W Convenience store in New Haven. Easter morning Heidi had a report ready and considered it a BIG DEAL, now who was getting this report that Easter morning, now did anyone other than Carter, Heidi and one Sheriffs department officer know this meeting was taking place, doubtful, could it be just luck that the abductor intervened just before this information could be given that morning. This would be the same officer at the investigation STEERING wheel as he told his boss Heidi's great fear of a local coke head and that the information she had would surly put this mainline drug dealer away. THE VERY FIRST COAT OF BLUE PAINT, applied by this Sheriff himself. Step one: implicate someone else in the crime, 2: Establish a motive, 3: Get behind the wheel and STEER!. And real nice job giving the van back the day of Gary's funeral, best not to kick this beehive ass holes! there still buzzing around your dumb asses!
                                                                                                                             August 26-27/18

 



Someone wanted to hide a piece of our puzzle WHY!
Was she actively working as a confidential informant for the Oswego County Sheriff's Office before she was abducted and presumably killed?
The official word from the police: No. Deputies only signed her up but never used her, they said.
A judge initially said it was undisputed -- Allen was an informant. Four months later, he reversed himself without explanation and agreed with the sheriff's office - she was no informant.
But at least four people have offered proof to the contrary Syracuse. com. Wow even a Judge said it was undisputed! "she was" then without explanation he changed his story, why is everyone lying when it comes to weather she was or not an informant? They testified under oath, and lied, the D.A. lied under oath and even a judge, WHY? and then all the time spent as to weather Mr. Walsh got the informant card as part of the evidence the Sheriffs sent, The Sheriffs had a fool proof method to make sure all documents were sent, A GREEN MARKING PEN WAS USED that insured all material was sent, they marked the file with a green check mark if it got sent, no index sent, no information sheet describing what was sent, wow this was a high tech dept then, and Gary's lawyer kept his files in his attic, we've come along way since 94. Why is the connection between Heidi Allen worth so much right in your face lying, because the information could solve this crime! there must be a connection if so many would lie about something this simple, she was or she was not, yes we know now, but why were they hiding this!.
                                                                                                                             August 25/18




Suppressed, Tampered with, withheld, failed to disclose and just disappeared! WHY?
Why hide evidence? count how many times.
Evidence Concerning the Non-
Disclosure of Heidi Allen’s Confidential Informant.
File and the Loss of the File by the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.
........11
A.
Failure to Disclose Brady Material Concerning Heidi Allen’s CI File.
...12
1.
The Creation of Allen’s CI File by the Oswego County Sheriff’sDepartment.
...................................................................................12
2.
Attorney Fahey Specifically Requests the Oswego County District
Attorney to Disclose Allen’s CI File on December 8, 1994.
........13
3.
Attorney Fahey’s Request for the CI File was Frustrated by the
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department and the Oswego County District Attorney’s Office.
............................................................14
4.
The Location of Allen’s CI File Prior to Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
.........................................................................15
B.
Failure To Disclose Brady Material Concerning Deputy Van Patten’s Loss of

Allen’s CI File in the Parking Lot of the D&
W Convenience Store Prior to Her Abduction.
.....................................................................................16
1.
Deputy Van Patten Drops Allen’s CI File in the Parking Lot of the D&W Convenience Store.
............................................................16
2.
Deputy Montgomery Retrieves Allen’s CI File from Kristine Duell at the D&W Convenience Store.
.........................................17
ii
3.
Kristine Duell’s File is Tampered with in a Restricted Area of the Sheriff’s Department.
.....................................................................17
4.
The December 9, 1994 Internal Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten, Montgomery,

and Anderson Regarding the Loss and
Recovery of Allen’s CI File.
.........................................................18
5.
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department Investigator Whipple’s Maintenance of the Allen Investigative File.
................................20
6.
Chief Assistant District Attorney Dodd’s Document Procedure.
.22
7.
The People’s Concealment of Allen’s CI Stat us during Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
.........................................................................24
8.
Dodd’s Concealment of Allen’s CI File after Gary Thibodeau’s Trial.
..............................................................................................25
9.
Dodd’s December 14, 1994 Claim of Disclosure of the Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten,

Montgomery and Anderson to Attorneys Fahey and Walsh.
..........................................................................26
10.
Neither the December 9, 1994 Memoranda nor Allen’s CI File Were Disclosed to Fahey on March 21, 1995.
..............................31
11.
Dodd’s May 17, 1995 Claim of Disclosing the Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File.
.......................................................................32
12.
Dodd’s June 5, 1995 Second Claim of Disclosing the Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File.
...........................................................33
II.
Evidence Developed during the April 7, 2015 Recess of How Allen Became a

Confidential Informant for the Oswego County Sheriff’s Department.
..............34
III.
Failure to Disclose BradyMaterial Concerning Darlene Upcraft’s Sighting of a White Rusty Van

Parked in Front of the D&W the Morning of Heidi Allen’s Abduction.
.............................................................................................................36
LEGAL BACKGROUND
.................................................................................................37
DISCUSSION
....................................................................................................................39
I.
The Prosecution Actively Suppressed Material Evidence Concerning Heidi Allen’s Status as a

Confidential Informant and the Fact that Her Status Was Compromised by the Oswego County

Sheriff’s Department Prior to Her Abduction.
.............................................................................................................39
iii
A.
Gary Thibodeau’s Trial Record Proves the CI Evidence Was Suppressed.
................................................................................................................................40
B.
The People Have Failed to Establish the Disclosure of the CI Evidence.
43
1.
The Kleist Report and Allen’s CI File Were Never Turned Over to Fahey.
............................................................................................43
2.
The December 9 , 1994 Memoranda of Deputies Van Patten, Montgomery,

and Anderson Were Never Turned
Over to Fahey.
...................................................................47
II.
There is a Reasonable Possibility that Had the Evidence Been Disclosed to the Defense the

Result of the Proceeding Would Have Been Different.
...................52
A.
Trial Testimony of Robert Baldasaro.
......................................................52
B.
Trial Testimony of James McDonald.
......................................................53
C.
Dodd’s Closing Statement to the Jury
.......................................................54
POINT TWO
......................................................................................................................59
THE INTRODUCTION OF NEWLY DISCOVERED EVIDENCE AT A NEW TRIAL WOULD LIKELY RESULT

IN A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. FACTUAL BACKGROUND
............................................................................................59
I.
Newly Discovered Evidence of Alternative Suspects Responsible for Allen’s  Disappearance.
......................................................................................................59
A.
Direct Observations of Alternative Suspects Responsible for Allen’s Disappearance.
..........................................................................................59
1.
William Pierce
...............................................................................59
2.
Jennifer Wescott ..........................................................................62
a.
Priest and Wescott Communications
.................................62
b.
Oswego County Sheriff’s Department Recorded Interview of Wescott
..........................................................................64
c.
Text Messages between Murtaugh and Wescott Disappear after the Sheriff’s Department

Takes Custody ofWescott’s Cell Phone
.........................................................66
iv
d.
Oswego County District Attorney Conceals Wescott’s Admissions.
.......................................................................68
e.
Additional Police Interviews of Wescott
...........................68
f.
Wescott’s Post-Conviction Hearing Testimony
.................69
g.
Third-Party Corroboration of Wescott’s Admissions
........70
i.
Carl Robinson Confirms Wescott Lived on Rice Road
.......................................................................70
ii.
Deborah Vecchio Confirms Wescott Lived on Rice Road
.......................................................................70
iii.
Joe S
torto Confirms Wescott Lied to Sheriff’s Investigators.
.........................................................71
iv.
Amanda Braley Confirms Wescott and Breckenridge were Involved in Allen’s abduction.
..................................................................................................72
B.
The Third-Party Admissions Implicating Alternative Suspects.
..............72
1.
Michael Bohrer
..............................................................................72
a.
Tyler Hayes
........................................................................72
b.
Danielle Babcock
...............................................................73
c.
Michael Bohrer
..................................................................73
i.
March 21, 2013 Recorded Police Interview
..........73
ii.
Bohrer’s Post-Conviction Hearing Testimony
.......75
iii.
Bohrer’s Literature, Defense Exhibit 56
................77
2.
James Steen
....................................................................................78
a.
Ronald Clarke
....................................................................78
b.
Joseph Mannino
.................................................................79
c.
Amanda Braley
..................................................................79
d.
Tonya Priest
.......................................................................79
e.
Megan Shaw
.......................................................................79
f.
Jonathan Barkley
................................................................80
g.
James Steen
........................................................................80
3.
Roger Breckenridge
.......................................................................82
a.
Jessica Howard
...................................................................82
b.
Chris Combs
.......................................................................82
c.
Brittany Johnson
................................................................82
d.
Amanda Braley
..................................................................83
e.
Roger Breckenridge
...........................................................83
v
C.
The Additional Corroborative Evidence.
..................................................83
1.
Suspects Were Involved in drug activity in 1994
..........................83
2.
Cadaver Canine
.............................................................................84
LEGAL BACKGROUND
.................................................................................................85
DISCUSSION
....................................................................................................................86
I.
The Evidence Was Discovered Since Trial and Could Not Have Been Uncovered Prior to Trial.
.........................................................................................................86
A.
The New Evidence is Material, Non-cumulative, and Not Merely Impeaching or

Contradictory to Former Evidence.
..................................87
B.
Considered Individually and Together, the Introduction of the Newly Discovered Evidence

Would Change the Result of a New Trial.
............88
1.
William Pierce’s Testimony Firmly Establishes Thibodeau’s Innocence.
.....................................................................................88
2.
Jennifer Wescott’s Unguarded Admissions Made during a Secretly Recorded and Police
-Monitored Phone Call with Tonya Priest  Exonerate Gary Thibodeau.
..........................................................88
3.
The Admissions of Steen, Breckenridge, and Bohrer are Admissible and Establish Each Declarant’s Guilt.
.......................90
4.
The Newly Discovered Evidence Proves Thibodeau is Actually Innocent.
......................................................................................102
                                                                                                                             August 25/18



Dirt Bags
Pizza Fire, hear that a lot. These dirt bags have done so much to people that normal people live in fear. Screw that. Stand up, start fighting back. Anyone ever ask themselves if a law suit from Thibodeaus wasn't the issue it was their fear of what else was found, that scared the Sheriffs. Well Sheriffs, you pissed a ton of folks off. They are publically exposing the good ol boys club for what they are. Lying, kidnapping, airport coke dealing, pos, with no morals. Sometimes Sheriff's the truth hits home. That's exactly what you are and what you did. Then there's the ones watching it all go down, who sit back and do nothing. Which ones worse? Ruggio, Martin, Petrowski, Moody (Beth Murtaghs lover) VanPatten, Curtis, oh and don't forget the insane DA involved from Dodd, Todd, to Dan Barneys Buddy the coke head DA, Mr. Hollywood who is facing a DWI as he runs his own practice, Moody, Oakes. You name it they are all the same. Nothing but lying pos, that work together to protect each other. Tick tock, you are running out of time. Every second that passes is one second closer to you being brought to your knees. Pay back sucks and Karma has no concience.
                                                                                                                             August 25/18


Hello MCFLY
Guess who got their van back if Heidis case was still open MC Fly Buske explain to the public why the Sheriffs released Richard Thibodeaus van. Because Buske you are a fool to believe a damn thing that ever came out of their mouths. You do not release evidence with an open investigation. Greg are you getting nervous? Who's on your ass? We can only pray you go down with them.
                                                                                                                             August 25/18



Heidi Allen
When a local yokel,rube,hayseed,hick,bumpkin,chawbacon prosecutor obtains a 1st degree murder verdict with NO body, NO evidence and NO motive it's considered quite a feather in his cap. It's a career making conviction and I believe that was the DA's intention from the beginning. It was also the plot of an episode of Law and Order except on that show the guilty are punished (it's a fantasy themed drama) Where is the proof that Heidi Allen is actually dead? It's nothing more than a logical assumption making it possible not probable. I believe that eventually all of the DA's involved will have their cases reviewed by the State whether they ended in convictions or not. After all the State will want to know who was let off as well as who was framed.
                                                                                                                             August 24/18



RE: The death of commn sense
Their were 5 people there, The red one!!! who just happened to be in the area.
                                                                                                                             August 24/18


RE: MC FLY
The key word is presented, we have only items you call evidence that are presented, by who, Sheriffs and the D.A. even witness testimony must pass through their hands and be written by them, the ones we no longer trust, just like yesterdays submission, they would not change a witnesses statement to better reflect the facts, so they even add or take from others testimony. We are still looking for the true facts, the ones we will never get from our good ole boys, There is a reason these men STEERED the investigation toward Gary, now these guys are much older and listening out the door to see how close the hounds are. will they die before they get caught, that's their best bet, letting time pass, but the people refuse to let this go, never has a case held this much interest for this long, why because this really stinks and the Government will not help, they only came, had a look and helped with the cover up! something was about to come out, but they cleared it all up, but we still were not happy and they do know it. E-mail CNY Central and ask Matt to do a story on the site that would not let go, solving this case is all within the submission here, go way back, it's here. Uncle Todd didn't hide, he's hidden and watched, lose lips sink ships, he is in dry dock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Write or call Matt.
                                                                                                                             August 23/18



Fun with colors
A court had three suspects, green, blue and yellow, all the facts were given and they were tried, one was later found guilty. It was the red that was guilty, how, they only presented to the jury, green, blue and yellow, that's right the one that was not presented WAS GUILTY so if you think TECHNICALLY that we have all the FACTS,YOU ARE WRONG!!!
                                                                                                                             August 23/18



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Make no mistake about it, the three suspects WERE NOT COVERING UP THEIR DRUG BUSINESS.

Think: MB moved to Mexico with his brother after his wife left him because of abuse.

Two years later Heidi Allen is kidnapped.

Moe said in the Heidi Allen doc. on Dateline the we had a lot of people to look at. Maybe, but they did not pursue MB, Steen or Roger very hard. And in fact one deputy said.."we asked them if the did it,and they said no". Are you serious? Of course they are going to say no.

This goes very deep and VanPatten saying about future bust with a female CI that never happened speaks volumes. As a matter of fact, does anyone remember any major busts back then? I wonder why.

Look at the time lines again at the D&W. It puts 4 people there around 7:41 with Stinson who said he was there before and after..as he flagged down a cop....BUT DID NOT SEE ANYTHING!!!!!

Bivens said he left Oswego at 7:30 but didn't get to the D&W until 8-8:30???? Must be a slow driver.

face it...we all know what the truth is. Too bad someone didn't tape the airport activity at 4am.

***** remember you cannot lie to the FBI inor out of court it is a felony.
We also read about a retired cop that said it was being sold out of the Oswego Cop Station.

This is what I was hoping would happen...it's perfect.

and I ask Judge King...if someone tells me the killed someone but I didn't see it, you confirm it is hearsay but it's used all the time in courts as testimony. COps rely on people talking to crack cases. Let me see you try that with the FBI if this inv. happens.

PS: hope they investigate you. AHHH maybe they won't stop as long as hey are here. Please give info on the qt to the FBI, Lisa or the DOJ.

IT IS TIME FOR This CASE TO TURN AROUND AND GET THE REAL CRIMINALS AND WE ALL KOW WHO THEY ARE.
                                                                                                                             August 23/18


re: Dick M
I sure hope the person Dick told that didn’t believe him for one second.
Here’s the proof that he lied to you:
Looking at the police file photos of Gary’s property from the 2 searches- one on or about June 23, 1994 and the second on or about July 23, 1994-one can clearly see there was a blue van, trailer and Cadillac on his property.

This is what Roger and Murtaugh testified to at the Hearing:

“Breckenridge admitted that a month or two after Allen's kidnapping, he and Richard Murtaugh stole an inoperable van off Gary Thibodeau's property and sold it for scrap. The van had no transmission, Breckenridge said.”

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#HeidiAllen witness Murtaugh: After taking Thibodeau van for scrap, searched van for abduction clues. "We got to thinking..." Nothing found”

And last but not least, from the Court of Appeals- “Murtaugh testified that while defendant was incarcerated in this matter he and Breckenridge removed an inoperable van

from defendant’s property and “scrapped” the vehicle. Breckenridge likewise testified that he and Murtaugh had removed the van from defendant’s property after Allen was kidnapped. Although the men apparently discussed the possibility that this particular van could have been used by the Thibodeaus to abduct Allen, Murtaugh concluded based on his own search of the van that

Allen’s body was “[a]bsolutely not” inside the vehicle.”

So unless Murtaugh lied in the Hearing with his lawyer present, only believe 25% of what he says about the disappearance of Heidi. You may find if you look hard enough, that the date the van was stole was on or about August 21, 1994 at which Gary had already been arrested for the disappearance of Heidi.

 

 

                                                                                                                             August 23/18



Under the first layer of blue paint!
My Dad once said when you tell a lie, you will lie again to cover the first lie. Why would these men go so far to testify that Heidi was not an informant. Why when a young lady is missing would you spend time testifying to a lie?. did this argument over she was or was not help convict Gary? no, so why?. Yea but what about the other suspects like the three guys and a van, I do not think these gentleman would kidnap to hide their drug activity, that would just double their trouble. But threaten them over something they do, will piss them off but blame them for something they didn't do you really piss them off, and they responded as they have.PARISH, N.Y. -- A new witness in the 1994 Heidi Allen kidnapping case says an Oswego County sheriff's deputy disclosed sensitive information about a confidential informant sometime before Allen's abduction.

Deputy Chris Van Patten was at Champ's Corner bar in Hastings when he told Brian Mensch about a young female confidential informant who was working for him in the New Haven area, Mensch told sheriff's investigators last week. Van Patten never identified the informant by name, Mensch said.

"He told me, myself, which I thought was odd.. that they had a girl from New Haven that was a CI that they were using in there and they were getting ready to do a big bust over there," said Mensch, who was a disc jockey at the bar.

"And then -- wham! -- the Heidi Allen thing comes down," Mensch said in the recorded interview with two investigators Jan. 26 at Mensch's home in Parish. More FACTS never presented!!! cleaning coats of blue paint off the wall takes time but the first layer holds some FACTS or Technically interesting things.
                                                                                                                             August 22/18



Who to hell comes to this site!
Who comes to this site? people who want a voice and to hear others views without having the sugar sprinkled on the shit!, remember when it was submitted that when your doing dirty business you want to have your finger on the pulse of those around you! I'll bet that every persons name found on this site by word of mouth makes them come hear, yea the mayor, city employees, our D.A our Sheriffs both high and low and you bet Uncle Todd, like the morning paper and coffee. Not like the news, this is uncensured read it and believe what you want, many of us find this new not talking to our neighbors next door but maybe seeing their views here. Who else comes here I'm willing to bet even the big scary feds watch this site, the finger on the pulse thing , Some day some of you may look back on this site and remember when we were allowed to communicate this way that so many gave their lives for. We are slowly and ever so quietly losing our old worn out rights, remember we who served all gave some, but some gave all! be thankful for this medium for now. I'm lucky I have a tomb stone destiny with an ease of mind, I've lived my life and I don't mind dying!
                                                                                                                             August 22/18


barmaid witness
Greg Oaks used this witnesses struck testimony in 1999 for his argument to the Court of Appeals.

"Admission of the testimony of the barmaid concerning defendant's statements to her did not violate the hearsay rule (see, Prince, Richardson on Evidence §§ 8-201, 8-202 [Farrell 11th ed.] ).   The evidence nonetheless falls within the exclusionary rule of People v. Molineux, 168 N.Y. 264, 291-294, 61 N.E. 286.   Although the evidence tended to establish the identity of defendant and his brother as the kidnappers, as well as their complicity and intent, the slight probative value of the evidence on those issues was outweighed by its prejudicial impact (see, People v. Allweiss, 48 N.Y.2d 40, 47, 421 N.Y.S.2d 341, 396 N.E.2d 735).   There is a danger here that the jury viewed the evidence as establishing defendant's criminal bent or character as an abductor of young women (see, People v. Hudy, 73 N.Y.2d 40, 54-55, 538 N.Y.S.2d 197, 535 N.E.2d 250;  People v. Crandall, 67 N.Y.2d 111, 500 N.Y.S.2d 635, 491 N.E.2d 1092).   We nonetheless conclude that the admission of the evidence, together with the failure of the People to give notice of their intention to use it (see generally, People v. Ventimiglia, 52 N.Y.2d 350, 361-362, 438 N.Y.S.2d 261, 420 N.E.2d 59), is harmless error."


So, as you can clearly see, it was NOT a fact as Greg Oaks, stated that the barmaid saw the Thibodeau brothers together the night before Heidi disappeared!!

 

 


                                                                                                                             August 22/18



Hello McFly!!!!
Buske said in the Pallidium Times Gary Thibodeau dead at 64. "This case isn't closed and asks the public to know there could be more evidence presented at any time." Well, how much more does one person need?? Hello!!! McFly you have been given more information in 5 years than you've had in 2 decades. Who else Mrs. Buske do you think is going to come forward seeing as everyone that has, you've deemed liars. You can't have it both ways. I do not think many more want to help you. They simply want to help Heidi.
                                                                                                                             August 22/18


Wow, Tonya. No wonder Dodd was more than happy to have Brandt off the case.
There we go again….LE mouthing off about Gary’s case….that his alibi witness was being charged with perjury. And some Judge dare say the Defense was trying the case in public!

Oakes recently-March 2, 2018-

https://www.nycourts.gov/ctapps/courtpass/Public_search.aspx PeoplevThibodeau-res-People-brf

filed a brief to the Court of Appeals where he claims that the testifying inmates did not receive any benefit for their testimony.
                                                                                                                             August 22/18

Another lie exposed.
From Oakes’ briefing for the Court of Appeals-
“Significantly, neither of these men received any benefit for their testimony (i.e
more favorable plea or sentence). There was no quid pro quo in exchange for their
testimony, so there was no incentive for them to falsely implicate Appellant. (SA
494, 524-26, 563, 573).”

“While Appellant disparages their testimony and characterizes them as nothing more than jail house
snitches, they received no consideration for their testimony. Further, in evaluating
their reliability, it's worth noting that neither man claimed that Appellant directly
admitted to kidnapping and killing Heidi Allen.”

Then, Greg, where did the handwritten notes of Mr. Baldasaro getting probation instead of jail time as Florida Probation department recommended come from?
                                                                                                                             August 22/18


Mrs. Head,
Do you know what the question was that one of you jurors in Gary Thibodeau’s trial passed to the judge right after going to the Sheriff’s garage to see Richard Thibodeau’s van?
Please share, if you do.
                                                                                                                             August 22/18



I hope you don't give up
Lt Goodsell,Whipple,Wheeler,Scruton,Cromic Yerden and ADA Todd hold the key, one of these men I know and I sure wish I could put this train of thought behind me. Anyone who may have submitted something in the past that you thought might help, please resubmit. This site might solve this puzzle, the more we can eliminate the closer we get. we have lost two innocent people now.


August 19-21/18


DA Joakes
Rumor has it on the street whispers of you are every where. You will now lose this re election. What you just did pissed the citizens who vote for you completely off. You did not do a proper investigation into Gary. The more you talk the more your lies, sink the boat you and the suspects are dogging land mines in. This time many don't think you'll dodge this next land mine. You walk with not God Greg but Satan himself. You sold your soul bud. It's time the good citizens start lining up to get rid of people like you. I pray you sink so deep. You to lose everything you thought you ever had. When that happens Greg thank the very criminals you protected. Wescott hope all your lies was worth the lives you keep ruining. Greg I hope immunity to someone like Wescott was all worth it in the end. You may not be able to do things right. But Wescott FBI can arrest you on hear say. Good ol Greg and Murtagh neglected to inform you of that.


 August 19-21/18



Remember what they first said, not an imformant, uncle Todd knew!
Allen, then 16, revealed to Carter that she'd been working as a confidential drug informant, going to parties and reporting back to law enforcement, Carter said in a recent interview.

"I remember her saying she was bringing information back to someone," Carter said. "It was a big deal that she was doing this."

Carter remembered that conversation Easter morning 1994, the day Allen, 18, disappeared from her job at the D&W Convenience store in New Haven.

Carter reported what she knew sometime after the kidnapping to her then-uncle, Undersheriff Reuel Todd, she said. She doesn't remember Todd's response.

Carter's memory of that 1992 conversation with Allen could contradict the recent claims of Todd, now Oswego County's sheriff, and his deputies that Allen never worked as an informant.

Carter said she never saw anything about Allen's work as an informant come out in the news back then as a possible motive for the kidnapping, Carter said.

"She had put herself in a dangerous situation and then she just disappears?" Carter said. "You don't just kidnap a 6-foot tall, strong, athletic woman unless you have a purpose."

Thibodeau's lawyers cited Allen's informant status in their quest to overturn his conviction. They argued last month that sheriff's deputies steered their investigation toward Thibodeau and his brother to cover up their own wrongdoing in using Allen as an informant at such a young age. SYRACUSE.COM
                                                                                                                             August 19-21/18




How many forgot this!
Nine months after the kidnapping, Todd told The Post-Standard that Allen never worked as an informant for the sheriff's office. She had talked to investigators in 1992 about possibly informing on a friend, but was never used as an informant, Todd and another sheriff's official said then.

At a hearing last year, Todd and his former deputies testified that Allen never worked as an informant. She had only talked to deputies about doing the work, but they never used her, they testified.

Allen told Carter in the summer of 1992 that she had already been informing and reporting back to someone, Carter said.

"I was shocked this didn't come out in the public, because I know I wasn't the only person Heidi told this to," Carter said.

Two other friends of Allen's said recently she never told them about working as an informant. A third friend told Syracuse.com she wouldn't talk about it.

Among the evidence that Allen worked as an informant came from her own family. Her aunt, Martha Sturtz, told sheriff's investigators in a recorded interview last year that Allen started providing information to sheriff's investigators after she got into trouble at the age of 15.

Sheriff's deputies had shown up at a drinking party Allen was attending, Sturtz said. Allen had left a child she was babysitting alone in a car, and was in trouble with the police, Sturtz said.

Sturtz' husband, Russell Sturtz, contacted the sheriff's office about having Allen provide information to them in exchange for Allen facing only a person-in-need-of-supervision petition in family court instead of more serious charges, Martha Sturtz told investigators. SYRACSE.COM
                                                                                                                             August 19-21/18

 



GREG OAKES the COWARD of OSWEGO COUNTY
I heard over the weekend that you are worried about your unpopularity with the public. It’s true Greg, we all hate you. Why you ask? Because instead of working for the people, you thought your political aspirations were more important. You let Gary the Innocent Thibodeau, die in prison, trying to protect some political goons from prosecution. You have no evidence that shows/proves that Gary was guilty! Many of us have read and understood every single filing from both sides. Nothing is there to prove any guilt. Donald Dodd, had nothing! Dodd is a criminal, who lied, cheated, and pushed this crime on both brothers. Then we have Reuel Todd, the Sheriff of Oswego County. Todd, knows dam well others abducted Heidi, and Moe, don’t even start blaming Nellis, he’s dead! By the way, I am sick and tired of hearing Moe, is constantly being sighted at casinos. Todd is to be at work, not out gambling. I am serious, either get back to work, or resign Todd! Let’s not forget Reuel’s brother Donald, former ADA, now Judge. He prosecuted Sharon, even though the sheriff’s department knew that Gary’s caddy was in the driveway that night, due to the fact that Officer Fred Ling, wrote the plate number down, while Gary and Sharon slept. Greg, you have committed the worst crime against the public, defending a lie! Also quit prancing Lisa Buske around, Gary died, her mouth was not needed. Gary’s death has nothing to do with the Allen family. I’ve heard you didn’t want to lose political favor, well you lost the public! Even the man who thought he owned the sand can’t save your job. The other thing I heard over the weekend is that a certain well known attorney is starting to plan his campaign to run against you. He’s not a favorite, but I’ve heard others say, I will vote for him, because I will never vote for Oakes, ever again! Greg, this cannot be fixed, you and your fellow criminals are toast in this county. Don’t forget your former and some present officers of the OCSD, are not looked upon as anything worth the dirt under our feet. OSWEGO COUNTY MURDERED GARY the INNOCENT THIBODEAU, and we will never forget this travesty of justice!
                                                                                                                             August 19-21/18

 

what if

its curious that ten years after the fact that heidi's bracket show up in her sister mailbox after 10 years was that a sign that she might have gone into a witness protection program or was there a sick another motive 

                                                                                                                               August 18/18

 

What if

What if Gary is innocent because there was no proof he was involved in Heidi disappearance and law enforcement had tunnel vision because they wanted to ‘get’ someone to placate Heidi’s family and the community, and for personal gain

And

What if Pietroski dropped the ball on a new investigation by not asking Bohrer the right questions or pushing for clearer answers?

What if Mike Bohrer is a psychopath capable of harming a young woman and the Courts accepted his denial and drama but he really knows what happened?

What if the jurors carefully considered the 'expert' witness in the auto field who couldn't ID or describe the vehicle he saw without repeated prodding by law enforcement and who said, "I don't want to send an innocent man away.", when put to task about falsification on insurance forms for personal gain and changing his time of going by the D&W on the morning of April 3, 1994.

What if people start telling the complete truth and nothing but the truth?

                                                                                                                               August 18/18

 

 

 

To My Friends in Granby:

 

I have alway been interested in Granby and I have been involved with the political process in Granby since 1989. I have collected petitions for everyone and I go by the rules and laws. You have to be a resident and a voter to sign a petition.

 

The reason I am writing this is I am dumbfounded at what I have come across and I want all of Granby to know. Cheryl Homes is running for town council. A person approached me and told me she was passing her petition around at a firemens’ doings. In order for me to get copies of her petition to challenge the names, you have to do it with three days after she turns them in. I was four days, so I was late, so I failed to challenge. Her copies are — surprise— what games do the Holmes’ think they can get away with? All games.

 

On her sheet she signed at the bottom were people from Cicero, Constantia, Camden, Phoenix, Duer Street in Oswego, Manhattan Avenue…: 23 signatures, only 13 are legal.

 

The next five pages are collected by Leslie Holmes, chairman of the Republican Party in Granby. He collected from Richland, Division Street in Fulton and 2430 route 176 in Volney.

 

The next four pages are the same signatures as on the first page. Repeats. What kind of game is this? Do these people who signed know it is not legal to sign more than once? How did he do it?

 

Take notice: Even Peter Holmes and Mattia Holmes signed five times.

 

 

Do these people expect to get away with this dishonesty? Mr. Homes is chairman; Mrs. Holmes is a member and so is Peter Holmes, a member of the Republican Party.

 

If the Board of Elections accepts this, something is wrong with our system.

 

Rose Anthony

Town of Granby N.Y.

315-592-5448

                                                                                                                                August 18/18



What If
http://www.wrvo.org/post/thibodeaus-death-offers-no-closure-either-side listen. Lisa Peeblea started crying. This hurt they've caused has to have a point of serenity for everyone. No Heidi isn't the only victim as her sister insists. Lisa Buske said, "WHAT IF," Gary took the where abouts of Heidi to his grave. Anyone ever ask her, WHAT IF, she is wrong?
                                                                                                                              August 17/18


re:Facts my ass
Most would find the thought of an officer involved not very likely, however one
that knows the status of the Sheriffs Dept at that time, an environment of tough
guy weight lifters, yea steroids too! the department had no supervision at that
time most alcoholic officers were just retiring and were no example to the new
officers, I myself have set in the front seat of a patrol car on a beer run when
we tore the front end right off the car, we made it so the car was repaired and
back in service with the help of a local body shop by the next morning, we
should have taken the troopers unit, it was parked in a better spot. I hate
profiling, and also a 60 year old and a degree holder in law and justice, the
FBI profile was on the nose when applied to this officer, would like to know
where he is and what he has done since then.
                                                                                                                              August 17/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Great news. Lisa Pebbles said in her article that she is going to pursue a wrongful conviction avenue and other steps to fight what she feels was a tragedy...by the justice system.

So all you "players" in this railroading of G.T. start sweating again.

I knew this was going to happen. Read her article she is very upset about how the case and appeals went.
                                                                                                                              August 16/18



re: Facts My Ass
I could not agree more. I posted here over a year ago that the only logical suspect was the cop. I've been a student of criminal psychology my entire life and this is a classic case of the "blue wall" protecting a bad cop. The DA and judge in this case turned a potential political disaster into a win-win for the real criminals in their set-up,prosecution and wrongful conviction of an innocent man.There are nearly 1/4
as many wrongfully convicted in prison as there are the guilty.
DA's and crooked judges have made their careers on sensational cases that were complete frame-ups from the start. Happens every day in every state in this country.

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth" -A.C.Doyle-
                                                                                                                              August 16/18



What If
http://www.wrvo.org/post/thibodeaus-death-offers-no-closure-either-side listen. Lisa Peeblea started crying. This hurt they've caused has to have a point of serenity for everyone. No Heidi isn't the only victim as her sister insists. Lisa Buske said, "WHAT IF," Gary took the where abouts of Heidi to his grave. Anyone ever ask her, WHAT IF, she is wrong?
                                                                                                                              August 16/18


 

Hafner is coming back.

But don’t get excited it is only to cover while judge McCarthy is on medical leave.  Bad news is judge Todd is coming back too. Didn’t know he was gone? He never really was here. Because his brother is the sheriff he can’t hear cases that involved that department so he has been working in other counties.

 

Yes we have been paying his salary all this time and he has not been working for us. When his brother finally leaves Tod will be back. Should we be glad or just keep paying to keep him out of Oswego County?

 

Drive by his house 59 East Utica Street in Oz and you will see campaign signs for Allison Nelson. He has probably told her of all the perks you get when you are judge that can’t hear cases in the court you are elected to.

 

Judges are supposed to be neutral and not participate in political campaigns but he is a Todd and they don’t have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

 

Rule 4.1: Political and Campaign Activities of Judges and Judicial Candidates in General

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_code_of_judicial_

conduct/model_code_of_judicial_conduct_canon_4/rule4_

1politicalandcampaignactivitiesofjudgesandjudicial.html

 

It is doubtful Todd even belongs to the American Bar Association as they have standards and codes of conduct he could never hope to attain. Many remember his participation in the law firm of Ciezeski Todd and Reynolds. The conduct of those three was so reprehensible they couldn’t even get malpractice insurance.

                                                                                                                              August 15/18

 

 

More Facebook Confessions

 

                                                                                                                             August 15/18

 

 

 

FACTS MY ASS!!!!

There have been so many submissions using the word FACTS, a piece of information presented as having objective reality even then it is not a fact because we do not know if we have all information about the fact. So what we have is a hypothesis, a hunch and until the hunch is supported by a solid premise it is not a fact, we have only seen the information given at trial and in court supported documents and who were presented by our D.A. and our Sheriffs dept. So we only have the facts presented to us. Here's some FACTS that were not presented to us.

1. the young informant was not a department informant, she was a single officers informant.

2. the same officer who left her informant card at the place she was taken from.

3. the same officer who got her the job there.

4. the same officer who lived within 3 miles of her abduction location.

5. the same officer who got a free sandwich there almost every morning, but never until her boyfriend left the parking lot. explains the meat on the slicer but no food rang up.

6. the same officer who said he was flagged down, no one knows who flagged him down, he just showed up.

7. the same officer that could have seen an opportunity when the van pulled in and out.

8. the same officer who did not know Gary was a suspect.

9. the same officer who led the investigation where it led.

10. the same officer who did not have to release any info about what they were working on, because of informant confidentiality.

 

so if these were the only facts presented, would a jury find him guilty?

                                                                                                                              August 15/18

 

 

Isn't this the truth. Curious to what it is. Click the link. Hint Gary Thibodeau!!!

https://youtu.be/axgNtq9BmNY

                                                                                                                             August 15/18

 

 

 

Today's Quote August 13-14/2018

Word of mouth is the best medium of all.
William Bernbach




Gary Thibodeau dies in prison at age 64
https://cnycentral.com/news/local/gary-thibodeau-dies-at-63


                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18

 



'Dick M'
Recently saw a brief discussion where you claim a piece of carpet was taken from Richards van and junked with the van Roger and others took from Gary's property.

I really hate for people to believe things that aren't true so let me educate you. Since, clearly, you would rather believe incorrect hearsay.

First, you do know as a fact that the blue van on his property was there when Oswego County Sheriff's searched his property twice before Roger stole it? You also know that cadaver dogs were used on his property too? What was the police comment about the searches? 'We didn't expect to find anything.'? Funny...that blows their theory all to hell then and proves the inmates not credible.

If you had been at the trial or read the transcript, you would know the details of the piece of carpet that was taken from Richard's van.

Starting on page 2341 of the original transcript, you would have read the details so as not to spew your lies. The details are conveniently left out of the Statement of Facts that Greg filed. I know the facts and you are a liar. If you want to look for yourself-refer to exhibits TT and UU. What did the FBI agent Chris Allen testify to again? Oh yeah, no link to Heidi in Richards van or Gary's property.

What other bullshit lies do you have so someone can make you look like a horse's ass?

Oh yeah, the wire taps you claim as a fact. Wrong again. In a letter from Dodd- '6. No tapes or other electronic recordings exist which the People intend to introduce at trial.' Dodd was untruthful in his prosecution but I believe that statement because there was no pre-trial hearing to suppress evidence (Mapp Hearing, for your information, is to suppress evidence).


What else do you have, Dick?

                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18

 



Re: The Real World
Interesting and ironically, there 'were no fingerprints whatsoever on the counter' at the D&W and a deputy allowed Mrs. Duell to deposit the register till instead of fingerprinting the currency. The newspaper on the floor was sent for testing. What about fingerprints from the customers that left money on the counter after Heidi disappeared? Still, there were none. Were both counters checked? If not, why not?
How do explain those facts, Greg (with FACTS not what you think)? I'll give you a hint-Kleist and Curtis.
                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense....Death RIP.
I guess they think they can rest easy now...maybe, maybe not.

- Is that person who said in 2014 court.." who do you think you're kidding Oswego" an FBI agent?
- Will the DOJ, NYS ATTY, FBI etc. pursue this if they think a crime has been committed?
- Will someone bring charges against all those involved?
- Will someone tell all about this?

To Lisa and her staff...we all thank you. You tried so hard but the fact that a corrupt judge held you back hurt your chances.
We know the truth and it is not over yet. So look over your shoulder for the rest of you life because at any time, somone will talk and you'll go down. NYS AG will not ignore this if they want to get re-elected.
                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18
 


To Gary RIP.
You railroaded by the OCSD and others. But your time may still come.

Oakes, Dodd, King, OCSD, Jenn Wescott, Bivens, Stinson and others tick tock tick tock tick tock.
                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18



Gary Thibodeau
This is far from over. If anyone has any information regarding Heidi Allen or Gary Thibodeau reach out to Matt Mulcahy. Immediately. This is now being investigated by larger media sources. The public's furious. Murtagh you may want to head to Florida you lying pos.

                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18

 



Facebook Confessions


 

 


 

                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18



Gary T
R.I.P. Gary; you’re free from the liars who blamed you for all their failings. Advice to anyone in Oswego County; if you ever get arrested ask for a change of venue to a different county. There is no justice here.
                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18



Greg's prayers
Greg said "he was praying for the Thibodeaus." Greg acts like he had no part in the death of Gary Thibodeau. In reality he did. Neglect to allow him to get better medical treatment. So here's our prayer for you DA, oh and Greg shove your prayers up your ass. I believe you'll need them more. https://youtu.be/atBg9zLI2bA
                                                                                                                             August 13-14/18



Gary
My apologizes. ...when I suggested Oakes didn't have any complicity, I was not aware of the many discrepancies you all pointed out. I have felt from the beginning this was a set up.
Again...apologizes. I also feel this goes deeper than anyone realizes.
                                                                                                                             August 12/18



The Real World
Greg's theory of the magical no DNA existing in Richards van. Let's be honest Oakes. Was there any DNA at the scene, on Gary's property, in his home, in his Cadillac you siezed, the carpet, on their clothing, anywhere you looked, inside of Gary's woodstove. Zero DNA that linked either Thibodeau brother !!!
But there was plenty of DNA testing accomplished by the FBI who testified "There was no link between the Thibodeaus and Heidi Allen". Why did they believe this? Because through DNA testing of plenty of samples right down to pubic hair from the Thibodeau brothers, from their vehicles, to Gary's property, his home or his woodstove. There was absolutely nothing that linked the brothers to the crime. Right down to testing chicken bones found inside the wood stove. Because there was no link, Oakes believes it proves a person's guilt because their was a lack of DNA, finger prints so on, blah, blah, blah. The truth is Greg Oakes, you are full of shit.
So, if Oakes could please explain, if one piece of evidence that tests positive to a link in missing Heidi Allen would prove a person's guilt in the crime. Then how could multiple samples from many different locations and tested, all confirming having no DNA link, doesn't prove a person's innocence. I guess in Greg's world the right to due process, the right to build a defence. Never existed for Gary Thibodeau. Even with DNA testing his fate rested souly in the hands of the Sheriffs, the DA Office, and they prosecuted like it or not an American citizen with a theory that is not confirmed by science in any way. Their theory, is absolutely crazy. Gary Thibodeau should never have been prosecuted upon negative testing of all materials ruling him out as any sort of a suspect. The lack Greg, of DNA means, science proved that person's innocence, thus providing no link to that person, their things, their property all cleared of any link to missing Heidi Allen.
Bet your ass Oakes if you could or ever did find one thread of hair any where to link Gary, you'd use it as your leverage and bombshell to seal your case. Issue is, how many more samples do you need to not understand when you can't find the missing link, you are heading in the wrong direction? When is it Oakes gains any dignity? Playing God, is not Greg's place. Murder is murder. I two pray you hang for crimes against humanity. When the truth comes out. Like all things it eventually does, many are waiting, many know in time, you will all hang. We will be there, grateful the time has come that they finally came to deal w you. That's the real world.
                                                                                                                             August 12/18



Murtagh
Murtagh believes- John 3:16- he truly believes..youll be famous for that line Dickie. Check this out, Murtaghs version of John 3:16
https://youtu.be/havLXnz1muQ

 
You don't want to miss this.!! (Attachment)

                                                                                                                             August 12/18


 


Phantom Purchaser/Massachussettes
After 20 years the district attorney either of them still have yet to produce the witness who was Sharon Thibodeau Phantom Purchaser. Why can't they because that was a lie.
The Massachussettes story was a lie. In normal courts, receipts showing your where abouts, would typically prove Donald Dodds Massachussettes story was just as made up as Oakes wiped clean idea.
The receipts alone are evidence they were INNOCENT of this Massachussettes claim, aldo innocent by DNA of any link to the kidnapping. And that the couple was in Oswego per receipts to where they really were and their witnesses information was obviously wrong and not confirmed. Nor was their DNA, ever confirmed to any link.
If they ever saw from the public's point of view. They'd know one thing they look like corrupt, incompetant, politicians.

More proof no evidence of Heidi

                                                                                                                             August 12/18



Murtagh
Time will tell Murtagh the monster you truly are. All the threats you've sent to so many. How about your sisters affair with a sheriff. Everyone now knows information was leaked to reporters. You sir are one disgusting human being. These shots were sent to me. You've pissed off many with not only this post but the multitude of threats you've sent to so many that have also been leaked to reporters. You sir will be greatly screwed in the end.

                                                                                                                             August 12/18

 



5 years
No, let's not be remotely easy on Oakes. If you think about how long the DA has been dragging this entire lie on. "Hopping in", gave him the chance to do the right thing.(remind you he still is) In which case he did NOT and has NOT. Not only does he have zero morals his "Non confidence" in the Sheriff Department, to now he has "full confidence". Is a strange move by any DA, It's as if he doesn't know which direction he's headed in. One things for sure. He's a 🐓, many know it. A REAL ♠ and now a LIAR like DODD, who was Oakes idol. Two peas in a pod. Including and not excluding Mary Rain all trained, worked with, for or at the OZ Da office. All have been complained about pulling the same shit Dodd has. Dodd trained them all well. Oakes is no different than a Mary Rain. He deserves a really long 🏖vacation. 😁
                                                                                                                             August 11/18
 


Butt Butt

“I don’t want to see Gary Thibodeau freed on a technicality”

Guess what? Technically, he was not ID’ed at the D&W.

-Technically, Gary’s alibi was not proven to be false, she was acquitted, in a Court of Law.

-Technically, the barmaid provided false testimony, and Dodd didn’t follow procedures in calling her as a witness, when she claimed the brothers were together the evening of April 2, 1994.

-Technically, there was no evidence of human remains in Richards van or on Gary’s property after several searches of each. Neither by cadaver dog indications nor by grid searching and forensic testing of the van or property.

-Technically, the theory presented by the prosecution during trial was impossible to have happened.

-Technically, Deputy Wheeler lied under oath when he stated he was unaware that Gary was a suspect in Heidi’s disappearance before his arrest in June when he, In Fact, was the contact person for the MA warrant and present at the briefing on April 15, 1994 when Gary became the ‘prime suspect’.

-Technically, the prosecutions own witnesses provided conflicting testimony at the original trial and the Hearing.

-Technically, the inmates did not provide any corroborating evidence as hearsay from Gary that wasn’t already in the news.

-Technically, Gary and Richard were not the only one’s suspected in Heidi’s disappearance. How were the others ruled out? A simple, “Did you do it?”, or more in depth interview?

-Technically, law enforcement knew about Dan Barney, Roger Breckenridge, Rick Murtaugh and Mike Bohrer in 1994. They weren’t cherry picked from the “bad” members of the community by the defense.

-Technically, the jurors went to the OCSD garage to see the van during trial. What was the purpose of that when there were photograph’s for them to look at and why was it allowed?



-Technically, judge King was going to allow the Defense the opportunity to call more witnesses based on the 11th hour document dump but then disallowed when motioned.

-Technically, judge King stated it was indisputable that Heidi was a CI but in his decision stated she wasn’t.

-Technically, Greg Oakes used testimony struck by the Appellate Division in 1999 (Molineux that judge Clary allowed) as argument in the Court of Appeals.

-Technically, there is no ‘overwhelming evidence’ of Gary’s guilt or the Appeals judges would not have a dissenter/s-1 from Rochester and 3 from Albany.



-Technically, Gary was accused because there was no way on this green Earth that ‘anyone’ alone could have taken Heidi forcefully and he was “a bad guy” related to the last person who admits to seeing Heidi.

-Technically, the inmates did not provide any corroborating or ‘overwhelming evidence’ that proved what they testified to as being accurate or a real representation of Facts.



-Technically, there will be Many people rotting in Hell for what they’ve done (if you believe in that sort of thing).



Think about this….if law enforcement, er, people who want to twist facts…if they want to claim that the blue van on Gary’s property was involved 1) Why didn’t they confiscate it based on Bivens original statement and 2) Why didn’t they forensically test it like they did Richards van?

**Second twisted fact-what indication was there that Richards van was cleaned before the forensic testing on April 9, 1994? Did the FBI lab detect bleach or other cleaning solution? How were the FBI able to test Many containers of debris from the van if it was ‘cleaned’. Surely, if the FBI detected cleaning solution they would have reported that and Dodd would not have tried the ‘van was seen at a car wash’ 19 days AFTER it was forensically tested.

**Third twisted fact-bone fragments from the furnace were determined to have “no morphological details that suggest a human origin”. Dodd-why did you not want Chris Allen to testify about the FBI report about the furnace debris? He was an ‘expert’. But yet you thought that Bivens was an expert in vehicle identification because he worked at an auto parts store. Just saying…some expert that couldn’t consistently ID the van he saw. One can hardly keep his stories straight. (Oakes fancies those kind of witnesses though when they fit his narrative.)

**Four twisted fact-this one is more like an outright lie-neither inmate received any deal for their testimony. Then how do you explain, ‘agree to averting Baldasaro…then we can justify probation.’ Check December 2, 2017 on this site for the legal documents/handwritten notes about this.

**Fifth twisted fact-Law enforcement had Gary and Richard under surveillance from day one including phone taps. This also is an outright lie. LE was at Gary’s house the evening of April 3, morning of April 4 because of a call. How could they be in MA at the same time? Dodd wrote a letter to the court stating there were no phone wire taps in existence that would be used for trial. Phone records from the MA witnesses were subpoenaed. The FBI headed surveillance on the Thibodeau’s mid to end of April 1994. This is when Richards van was seen at the car wash.

**Sixth twisted fact-evidence was suppressed in a back door arrangement. Highly illegal AND there was no pre-trial (Mapp) hearing for suppression of evidence. There was, however, a pre-trial hearing to suppress the statement supposedly made to the inmates by Gary and to review Gary’s prior ‘bad acts’ (Huntley and Sandoval).


Phew, it’s so exhausting keeping up with the lies. Greg, you don’t have ALL of us confused. Many CAN keep track of the lies vs the twisted facts vs the true/real facts. Because “We” want Justice for Gary and for Heidi.


Damn Greg, you know that most of this stuff is right from your own filings. That and reading the ENTIRE original transcript. And to think that people STILL believe the drivel, lies and twisted facts with everything that has come to light the past few years!! Do it, Greg. Have some integrity and fortitude to try the case yourself. Or would you chicken out and not retry him? Wouldn’t want the facts of the trial that you didn’t make so easily public knowledge to come out, now would you? Better yet, MAN UP and admit there was no evidence and no justification for accusing Richard and Gary Thibodeau to the point of indictment to begin with.
                                                                                                                             August 11/18




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Maybe this time will be the charm. One writer stated that Oakes is just taking this case from the file and Dodd is the actual person in this case. But remember all the lies about Gary...was in MA a day after...not true. Snitches didn't get anything for testifying...not true.

Let's go back:
- Stinson arrived before 7:35am per his own words. Was there after and flagged down a deputy at 7:55 approx. Now I don't care what the story of the clock change is, it didn't affect Stinson, Swenkowski or Richard's time...so he had to be there...but still says he did not see anything?????

- The tapped phone call and the reason the OCSD said it is unreliable is pure Bullshit. The deputies told her what to ask on the call, and the call the nite before was a mistake. Again Tonya asked for a poly and was not given one. The I believe it was Oakes that said they couldn't rely ion her testimony or version of the events. Then why bring her up here? It was all done to discredit Tonya and ploy done by lawyers even in court.
- Jenn Wescott's interrogation raised red flags but not for the OCSD. How much info would you need. And if you play that tape you hear the interrogator ask her "and when was that". She starts to answer and you can hear her say "August" and then suddenly the tape stops and you can see where it may have been editied....see for yourselves YOUTUBE: The Heidi Allen Case.

Why wasn't Bohere investigated as he did have a white van at that time. A guy borrowed it to scrap after MB had it repaired...per the person who borrowed it. WHY WHY WHY wasn't that investigated at that time?????????

We heard from neighbors at the airport that county issued vehicles were going in there at 3-4am. I was told by someone that is how the coke was coming in...an a lot of people back then knew.
Did Moe know about this? I think so and I think he's involved in this cover up and make no mistake about it this is a cover up.

- Who was the juror that Gary said mouthed the words "he made me do it". who was that person and this would have been a hung jury.
- King stated that the witnesses to the 3 saying they did kill Heidi that it was not reliable because they all had different stories. No kidding.
It happened at different times..but nice try King.

- If all this drug activity in Oswego County and there wasn't one bust that I remember that happened back then...hmmmmm.
- Oakes recently stated that the evidence convicts GT. WHAT EVIDENCE? No one saw him there, Swenkowski watched RT drive in, held the door for him to enter the store, watched him walk out and drive away. Not seeing Gary or Heidi with him. How the hell did this get smoked by Dodd? INCREDIBLE!

- Of course the FBI didn't find anything and this didn't matter to Dodd...justice or a lynching?

This case is corrupt as corrupt can be. GT did NOT commit this crime and if Oakes is running for DA, please tell the people all the evidence that you saw to convict Gary. As being the DA we want an honest one.
- As for Dodd I think he knows that we know too much.

- AND WHY HASN'T OAKES LET GARY OUT FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT? To a hospital...well I guess he hopes along with others that Gary dies. But WE will always be there and sooner or later someone maybe on the death bed will tell all and it won't be too late to send all you corrupt rotten people to prison where we and even you families know you should be.

Rich Murtaugh quotes with articles and dates listed
Rich Murtaugh comments: on Syracuse .com.

you all going to hate me now but .... Back in day when roger & jay ( thumper ) where around jay was a great kid but his last few years free he got into that stuff you smoked / put up your nose um I think it's called bath salts .. He even burned down a trailer a yr or so before he killed Vicky turned bad an I mean real bad fast but ... Jmo though don't hate me too much .
Posted on James 'Thumper' Steen described as a violent braggart capable of kidnapping Heidi Allen
10/5/2014 8:11 PM

Is there still a cash award up & if so how much is it .. What you got to do to receive it ty
Posted on Judge in Heidi Allen case reverses decision, will allow DA to respond to wrongful conviction claim
9/19/2014 5:48 PM

As a matter of fact I do on my way to new haven now had a nice road trip to fernwood too wink emoticon
Posted on Judge to prosecutor in Heidi Allen case: You missed chance to respond to wrongful conviction claim
9/18/2014 9:42 AM

Omg please no mistake we (3 of us) picked up two vans at gt house ... Me roger & a 3rd person picked up a dift van in fern wood I can't tell you where it was but I'm sure I can drive right to there like I did last week going to Gary's house ( that I had only been to twice before in the 90's
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:25 PM

It was a red house is all we can remember
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:17 PM


I'm sorry I don't I'd just be guessing but one of my helpers just asked me if I remember going to fern wood to get a white van at 1st didn't remember but after talking a bit I do now
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:08 PM

No in fern wood ( I think that's how you spell it
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:05 PM

Omg I don't know I just remember him coming to me wanting me to pick one up for him .. Never gave it much thought till tonight talking it over with my staff
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 10:55 PM

You all ready for this one ????? I do remember going with RB to fern wood to pick up a white van that he had to junk back around same time of the ha deal
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 10:52 PM
                                                                                                                             August 11/18




GREG OAKES
Regarding "Oakes"
Greg Oakes is fully aware regarding the Gary the innocent Thibodeau, case
Oakes did an internship in the Oswego County District Attorney's Office while in college.
Oakes worked on Gary's first appeal. By the way, Gary's last name is spelled: THIBODEAU, NOT
Thiebideaus.
                                                                                                                             August 11/18



Saving Gary
Saving Gary, hell with it. Cut everything loose you all have. If Greg Oakes can't save him maybe facts can, seeing as Oakes can not get his facts straight. Im in.


Let's be a bit, not a lot, just a bit, fair to Oakes. He is coming in late to the Hiedi Allen debacle. The original DA was Don Dodd, who never saw a person he didn't want to jerk around, much like his mentor, the asshat, John Elliott. The real blame for this mess lies with sheriff depart members who got tunnel vision on Thiebideaus. Oakes just knows what is in the file.
A whole boat load of questions remain. This confidential informant question for example. Informant?or reason to visit the investigator. Lots of questions, no flattering answers. Did the use chemical tests for blood residue in the garage. Lots of procedures overlooked. It might have been of some value to call in real investigators, as opposed to Todd's politically promoted buddies.
                                                                                                                             August 7-8/18

 

 

James E McDonald obit...Jailhouse Snitch RE: Gary the Innocent Thibodeau
Here's one of Oakes jailhouse snitches: James E. McDonald of Winthrop passed away at the Eatpointe Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Chelsea of July 8, 2015 after a prolonged illness. He was 52 years old. Born in Winthrop he was the beloved son of Catherine (McMann) and Joseph McDonald. A lifelong resident of Winthrop, he was a graduate of Winthrop High School. He was employed for many years as a painter and was a member of the Winthrop Lodge of Elks.

He was the loving father of Mary McDonald of Nashua, New Hampshire, Catherine McDonald and Jamie McDonald both of Manchester, New Hampshire. He was the beloved brother of John McDonald, of Winthrop, Robert McDonald of Connecticut, Thomas McDonald of Nashua, New Hampshire and Joseph McDonald of Winthrop.

Family and friends are cordially invited to attend the visitation from the funeral home on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 from 4:00 to 7:00 PM. A funeral service will be held in the funeral home at 7:00 PM the same evening.
Charitable donations may be made to:

The Jimmy Fund, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
10 Brookline Place, W 6th floor, Brookline MA 02445
Tel: 1-800-525-4669
                                                                                                                             August 7-8/18



Round of applause for Matt Mulcahy
Damn glad to see a reporter digging to expose the BS twisted story Dodd presented and the BS twisted story Oakes continues to spew.
Oakes said himself that Richards van was washed ‘days after’ the FBI forensic testing…which showed what? No evidence of Heidi ever being in Richards van.
So tell us again How could there be no evidence of a struggle for life and death that did not reveal ANY evidence of Heidi in that van? On that note, Oswego County Sheriff’s- WHY HAVE YOU NOT CHECKED THE GARAGE ON RICE ROAD? You expect not to find any evidence because a struggle with Heidi didn’t happen there. Right? You searched the woods right across the street and didn’t expect to find anything. But you did, didn’t you? Curious…an excavator was brought to the site AFTER the ME concluded their dig. Why would they do that? Takes a little bit of higher level brain functioning to figure this case out. I’d suggest getting help from smarter people than yourselves. And who was the dope officer that said in the news in 1994 that they didn’t expect to find any evidence of Heidi on Gary’s property when it was searched. Oh, that’s right, one search was done before Gary went to MA to jail and the other was done after the inmates gave their statement? HHmmm. What did the searches reveal both times? Oh, that’s right…extensive searching yielded……..NOTHING to link Heidi.

Please do tell us again how the inmates were determined to be credible? Their testimony was uncorroborated. Not a *cking thing they said that wasn’t already public was verifiable, aka there was no ‘confession’ which was evidenced per their ENTIRE testimony.

What a bunch of dopes!! The BS isn’t even holding water anymore. Darn it, the public can get the true facts. Oakes, please stop telling us what you ‘think’ about this case and stick to the ‘real’ facts as they are written in black and white.
Slow clap for the half ass apology given to the reporter for “the confusion”. Apology not accepted. You would not have apologized but for the reporter slapping (metaphorically) the true facts in your face. What more is this reporter going to expose of your ‘confusing’ statements? Still believe this guy?
Maybe, maybe, maybe, if, if, if…that’s all LE had and continues to have to blame the Thibodeau’s for something they didn’t do.
You do that, Oakes. Evaluate if/when the Court of Appeals approves a new trial if YOU want to stand in front of “We, the people” with the same cockamamie story as Dodd presented in 1995. Keeping in mind MANY facts not presented during trial have been exposed. They are on the record. Remember the Hearing?
THANK YOU, EDITOR, for continuing to post and expose the corrupt Oswego County law enforcement/government. In this case and other instances. THANK YOU to all those who have had the courage and integrity to speak out against corruption. If it takes non-anonymous people coming forward to help, I’m in.




 

 

 

 

 



Well I think if I was Oakes I would learn to shut up.
We know the case. These are the facts they can not deny. But he can lie about it, and try to get out of the reality and history of Gary's case. Number one in 94 the Sheriff's said they met with everyone who had been at the store that morning and added to it by saying the last customer was more than cooperative and wanting to help. They are also aware Richard Thibodeau stated he transported a dog that was hit by a car. In doing so after Heidi vanished attempted to get the dog to the vet. DNA testing on the carpet confirms canine blood. His story was confirmed in which case he is the one who willingly gave his carpet to the Sheriff's, to confirm it. Since arrests the Sheriff's have had Richards van in custody. Not to mention it was searched on day one. Two it was searched upon interrogations, three searched by FBI three searches that registers absolutely nothing. Oakes made a comment. "It would be arrogant to not issue a new trial." Isn't it the other way around. It would be ignorant not to.
                                                                                                                             August 5/18

 

 

Thank God...the first report EVER where the media calls out Oakes

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/heidi-allen-case-fact-check-errors-made-by-oswego-district-attorney

                                                                                                                             August 4/18

 

 

More Oakes B.S.

Oakes lies again in his clarification to the media to cover up his other lie...

 

"Days after the van was searched, FBI agents observed Richard power-wash the inside of the van at a carwash. I should have been more precise when we spoke; I apologize for the confusion. - Gregory Oakes"

 

It's well-known that Richard's van has been in possession of the OCSD since they took it for examination. He hasn't gotten it back since, so how could he have power washed it?

                                                                                                                             August 4/18



Keep talking Greg
Keep rattling the lies off Greg. The news has full blown access to all the 94 documentation. The lying game and fact checking your bull shit started tonight. Many are helping. This has just begun. Stay tuned folks. The media is on fire and all the lies will be exposed.
                                                                                                                            August 3/18

Wheeler was it you?
I have to ask this logical question. Who was it that ever said the kidnapper was a paying customer. So we simply say from what we can prove on records you were the last person there so it must be you. Who ever said the person who took Heidi Allen ever made a purchase that day at all? It does not seem very logical for any kidnapper to make any quick purchase prior to kidnapping a human being. "Before I kidnap you, let me get two packs of smokes" Really sounds like a logical suggestion to me. Sarcastic!! We just assume, because it is what we were told to believe. Who ever witnessed Richard being a paying customer and then immediate taking Heidi? No one , not one soul ever testified to witnessed this happening and nor was Baldasaro there. There is no eye witness, not one to support the paying customer/lets be a kidnapper theory. Its all just utter bullshit..the public bought it all then, now, the public has access to all the information we normally dont see. This time we call BULLSHIT!!!
                                                                                                                            August 1/18


Gary Tibbedeau
Why can’t Oakes, Dodd and Todd let this poor man die in peace. This smelled of a cover up from the start. You can bury Gary, but sooner of later the truth will come out. How do you live with your conscience?
                                                                                                                            July 31/18
 

 

Cop Logs: Sheriff’s Office 07/13/2018

On 7/13/18 at 12:34 a.m., Allan J. Breckenridge, 27, of 2589 State Route 104, Mexico, was arrested for AUO, 1st degree (Consumption of Alcohol in MV); AUO 2nd degree; DWI, 1st offense; Operating MV with BAC .08 of 1%; Fleeing an Officer in MV, 3rd degree, a class A misdemeanor; Reckless Driving, Failure to Obey Police Officer, Resisting Arrest; Inadequate Plate Lamp, and Obstructed Vision following a traffic stop in on State Route 104 the village of Mexico.

Mr. Breckenridge was arraigned by Hon. Judge Gracey in the Town of Mexico Court and remanded to the Oswego County Correctional Facility in lieu of $3,000 cash or $6,000 bond.

Mr. Breckenridge is scheduled to return to court on 7/17/18.

Plant Corn Get Corn

                                                                                                                          July 17/18



re: Reuel Todd
Several things come to mind when exploring the mystery of Mr Todd's disappearance from public life. One, he is terminally ill. Two, he's recovering from gender reassignment surgery and will re-emerge on the scene as Reuella Todd - hoping to get elected to office as the best kind of Republican 'female' candidate (a woman who's not a woman). Three, he's in a rehab somewhere and it's not going well.
Four, he's the subject of an FBI criminal investigation. Five, he's in hiding (see #4)
                                                                                                                          July 13/18

 

                                                                                                                          July 6/18

 

 

ANOTHER DRUNK ADA JUNE 2, 2005
Oaks rehired him in 2012 to prosecute welfare fraud.


 July 5/18




Former DA Mary Rain Barred From Practicing Law
DON DODD TAUGHT HER EVERYTHING SHE KNOWS.
http://www.wwnytv.com/story/38533470/former-da-mary-rain-barred-from-practicing-law

 

June 29-30/18



GARY THIBODEAU
I WISH SOMEONE WOULD CLEAR UP HOW 2 PEOPLE CAN BE CHARGED WITH THE SAME CRIME AND 1 INNOCENT AND 1 GUILTY.ALSO WHO DID HE SUPPOSE TO HAVE KIDNAPPED AND KILLED.NO BODY NO CRIME ESPECIALLY WITH NO EVIDENCE.LETS SEE THE ANSWER MR. DA AND SHERIFF.YOU ALL RAILROADED AN INNOCENT MAN AND YOU KNOW IT.


June 29-30/18





Oakes lies like Trump
LMAO agreed. One thing Oakes did was claimed other departments came in and looked over Gary's files, including the attorney general so seeing as they went to meet with Robert Baldasaro where is the reports from the N.Y. state police, FBI, and attorney general claiming they found not faults with their investigation? Are they with holding? Greg buried these 3 departments during his press conference and laid the blame at these departments feet. The blame lays with the sheriff's. No one else. To bad the state boys didn't bury Greg on his lies. Difference Greg between you, the sheriff's and the state police. State police have respect. The rest of you goons do not. How humiliating for you to inform the public state boys cleared your investigation with no record of any of it. Hope they humiliate you right back. I agree 100 percent Greg lies as bad as Donald Dodd. Everyone knew it once he said half the shit he said. But Greg will keep it up. Til he pushes that blue line the wrong way.
                                                                                                                                June 22/18




Best thing
The best thing to come would be Greg being escorted out of the DA office along with his side kick moody in cuffs. Then wheeler, scrutin, petrowski, yerdon, Todd, both brothers, Donald Dodd so on all lined up to pack a federal vehicle and head on down to the slammer. Then we could all line the streets and cheer them on for rounding up the assholes. I'll bring the beer and a lawn chair, it'll be like the Thanks giving parade..where we could all be grateful for good officers doing their job. Right now the goons should be thankful it's not the wild west time. They'd have been removed already by an angry crowd, tared and feathered and thrown over the long bridge. Better yet bring pitch forks. Lmao assholes deserve a good going away party.
                                                                                                                                June 22/18


Gary Thibodeau...the Death Of Common Sense
Again we are disappointed by an appeals court. It must be law technicalities because anyone can read the case and know there were some very suspicious events.
Why wasn't Mr. Swenkowski's height compared to the Thibodeau's heights? He said Richard was shorter when he walked by him.
Just can't believe that the judges couldn't side step the letter of the law and see what happened here. Some of the judges thought he didn't get a fair trial and they are right...both in 1994-95 & 2014.
BUT it's not over yet.
---- Federal Appeals court
---- NYS committee for the wrongfully convicted.
and there is a chance that someone will come clean, some new people will be arrested and a new trial for them to go to prison.
                                                                                                                                June 21/18




Hazard County or Oz
There once was the youngest Mayor, who took a chance and won, he thought running a city should be lots of fun, he had big money contributors and just had to pay them back, with jobs for all and families to, positions we don't lack, but as the city begins to bog, and you look more and more like Hughey Hog, with hair slicked backed and dressed to kill doin the job the peoples will, with fast white car and young chick to boot, you have quite a horn to toot, but karma comes around and it's on your heels come voting time we will see how the city really feels about hiring and other slick deals, there's always that thing that money don't tote, we all get the chance to vote, you got those votes one at a time, I'll bet you can't respend that dime, and get real close to Barclay and give him money too, remember once he gets it, now he must owe you tooooooo! So sit right back and have a cold drink, the public can't see, and the public can't think!.
                                                                                                                                June 21/18



Oaks Lies Like Trump
The little moron is claiming that the recent court decision in the Thibodeau matter some how is a declaration that there is no wrong doing in the District Attorney’s office or the Sheriff’s Department.
You are so full of shit you should change your name to Donald Oaks.
                                                                                                                                June 20/18



Thibodeau
HHmm. Mr. Oswego County DA was representing “The People” during the Hearing as if the Defense was prosecuting the 3 and they were defending the 3.

That’s not what the Hearing was for, dopes. Lisa said years ago that the Defense wasn’t required to present ‘who’ else did or could have kidnapped Heidi just that there was a great possibility that Gary did not. Clearly King made a personal determination of their credibility.

Ms. Rivera summed the dissenting members’ determination rather well- it was not up to the Court to decide if the testimony was credible or not but rather to determine if All presented would have changed the outcome.

Dodd, Oakes, Todd, Wheeler, and others, should ALL be sanctioned. Yerdon, VanPatten and Curtis, we didn’t forget about you!!

Oakes-dumber than a box of rocks or can’t read/understand words put together to form sentences. Might I suggest college level reading comprehension. Or at the very least, get a dictionary man if you don’t know what word combinations mean.

3 out of 4 dissenting and those dissenters making a comprehensive analysis of ALL original trial testimony vs the majority’s one sided (confirmation bias) decision?
                                                                                                                                June 19/18


Hang in there Gary and Ms. Peebles -- Go For It!!
Tom Decastyournuts ( school board )
Tom actually trained to remove a oswego high school teacher and send that teacher to the middle school, in return, take that teacher ( which was not even certified in that position ) to replace, ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF TOM ( family and friends ) power play ! And he did say, “ I Am the Schoolboard “ , wow !
This is what the city of oswego, ny is about !

And this morning at 9;45 a.m. ,saw the mayor of oswego get out of his white camaro, with his greased back hair and those pointed shoes ! Is this how a mayor is suppose to look, after all, would you want a greased up male rep the city of oswego or some that would know how to dress in a business manner, and have people that could run their depts ! Heck, it might be a good idea if the mayor dressed and went to the office in a suit , everyday !
                                                                                                                                June 19/18
 

 

 

 

 

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                                                                                              May 23/18



Hard Cold Facts
The hard cold fact is the city of OZ is deeply corrupt and Gary Thibodeau is innocent, be thankful this did not happen to you or your family.
As far as Stitson, he calls the officials out and informs you in his statement that he testified to his time of arrival of 7:41 am and did not budge on this,
Officer Sumner Hall attempted to get Stitson to change his time and he refused. He also tells you that his memory was not vague but Heidi's own sisters was.
Stitson's testimony should have destroyed the prosecutors case in 1995, but the jury obviously did not pay close attention to the time line. You should question the timeline
100 percent seeing as Gram Duell told reporters the clock in the store was still off and Heidi had not changed the time, she is quoted as to saying "time stood still for Heidi."
Stitson also tells you he back tracked his steps and the clocks were both broke, the wall and the register. How, funny it is only the store owner and the on scene officer could
match his watch up with both the wall clock and the cash register, the Duell family had so much involvement in the after affects of the investigation it isn't funny. THEY ALSO
HAPPEN TO BE ONE PARTY WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN HEIDI SWITCHED TIMES WITH ANOTHER CO-WORKER. (funny Duells never admitted the register was BROKEN)
Keep in mind Bohrer said Matt Duell was said to be sexually harassing Heidi to the point of rape. Here is a direct quote from Bohrer. "Organized crime is nothing more than organized
individuals, organizing themselves with other organized individuals for the purpose of getting away with it. With only one intention in mind to get it all to ones self (all for one and one for all).
It's a mentality or a genetic thing in common with each of these individuals. I for one call it evil." Think about that for a minute and then take a pen and write down every corrupt official you can
think of, all their dirty deeds and then draw a line to each one who connects to another and you'll start to see the pattern. This is to Bohrer I FOR ONE CALL YOUR ASS EVIL AS HELL!!! It is your
mentality, your genetics that set you aside from the rest of your organized goons, you sir are one hell of a demon that has walked among us all for years, unnoticed, that is one scary ass thought. I can
only imagine what else you have done. Gary's case is simply organized criminals, who organized themselves and pulled off the crime of the century. Bohrer is right.
                                                                                                                                May 23/18



Broken time
It's not that Stitsons time was off. You are missing a key piece. 2 seperate people including stitson and duell's own grandmother admitted the store times their register and clock was BROKEN. Toss away the confirmation from Duell and Curtis matching the times up, what's left 2 witnesses who confirm they were broken. You are taking the word of Kris Duell that the times matched Curtis watch. Now seeing as she's hid info for over 20 years. Think about why she lied about the times. Because she had something huge to HIDE. She lied, so did Curtis. They were and are the ONLY 2 who could seem to match Curtis watch to a broken cash register and the wall clock in which case Stitson tells you it was BROKEN. Gram Duell tells you the store clock was never changed. So explain how two others could confirm something that others are debunking? Don't take Kris Duells word, it's obvious she did not notify anyone back then she found Heidi CI file, after that she later hired Heidi all coincidence or a set up? I'd say organized crime, organizing all for one, one for all. Simple fix to your confusion with Stitson. You'll also notice the original last check out time 716 am was crossed off 742 was written beside it. Its simple. Gram Duell nor Stitson lied. But Kris Duell did. Why wouldn't Stitson bend to fit the sheriff's fudge time line or Gram Duell? But Kris did. Because 2 aren't in on it, the other one is. Kris lied, it's impossible Curtis watch matched either the cash register or the store wall clock. I can not stress it enough the liars Kris Duell and officer Curtis.
                                                                                                                                May 23/18



Reply from Death of Common Sense
Right on, you are right on. What ppl fail to see in this is the fact that Oakes ( imo ) allegedly is covering for what Dodd did as the DA in the original case. Anyone think Dodd won't take Oakes down if it gets that far...I do. Oakes was talked to (imo) and has essentially hung himself in a new trial or in a election...and guess what Oakes the OC Legislator doesn't care about you...hope you taped those conversations you may have had with anyone. " I really have my doubts about the INTEGRITY of the OCSD in this investigation". Isn't that what you said to Lisa...BEFORE you for some "reason" switched sides, opinions and then went after Gary. Come on, this is so obvious it's a joke.

You are right, this case makes no sense, time lines don't fit, Stinson HAD to see something ( this is an easy one ) Lisa P. will tear him apart, Swenkowski IS GT's best alibi.

I STATED A LONG TIME AGO TO "SPACECUBE" ON THE BLOG THAT THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED THAN WE CAN IMAGINE...THAT WAS BACK IN 2014...AND IT'S COMING TOGETHER. Oakes slid out because Lisa was prevented by King from asking for witnesses and the other unfair things he did in this court.

Yes it does seem like the tape was tampered with, other ppl should have been there if the time line is correct, the snitches and the fact that Heidi was gone but cashed out Richard is a big one.

Your entire statement that you replied to me is the truth, and we all know it. I don't think John Gott's lawyer could convince a jury of any thing different. Oakes covering for Dodd may coat him a prison sentence and Dodd will deny and walk away.

The SWISS CHEESE comment was obvious the first time I read this case in 2014. There are so many mistakes that if they get a new trial, there are going to be a lot of ppl going to prison.

Did they do enough for the appeals court to grant them a new sentence..in opinion, yes in law maybe not.

God please give Gary, Lisa and Randi another fair shot as this case is so corrupt with so many mistakes and controversial elements that the whole machine will come apart.

Here's to hoping you guys go to prison. If not I hope your guilt eats you up everyday for the rest of your lives. Just think of what people are thinking about you as you finish your lives, go about your business and hopefully rejected by the voters.

PS: Dodd is not your friend in this...wake up.
                                                                                                                                May 23/18



ASK YOURSELF
IF THE DUELLS HAD NOTHING TO DO WIH THE KIDNAPPING OF HEIDI ALLEN, WHY WOULD THEY NOT ADMITT THE REGISTER WAS BROKEN, THE CLOCK IN THE STORE WAS NOT RIGHT AND THE FACT KRIS DUELL FOUND HEIDI CONFIDENTIAL CARD? GREGORY J-OAKES -where is Duells lie detector test? Why is it Kris Duell was anywhere near the search maps and directing the search parties? I'd say their hands were dirty then and even dirtier now.
                                                                                                                                May 23/18

 

 

 

Today's Quote May 22/2018

When you dominate other people's emotions, the time has to come when you will have to pay, and heavily, for that privilege. Ethel Waters
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When you dominate other people's emotions, the time has to come when you will have to pay, and heavily, for that privilege. Ethel Waters
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When you dominate other people's emotions, the time has to come when you will have to pay, and heavily, for that privilege. Ethel Waters
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When you dominate other people's emotions, the time has to come when you will have to pay, and heavily, for that privilege. Ethel Waters
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When you dominate other people's emotions,

the time has to come when you will have to pay, and heavily, for that privilege.

Ethel Waters

 



Re: Death of Common Sense
Yes, Stinson did testify at Gary's trial.


He literally saw nothing about the kidnapping. Didn't see Heidi, didn't see Richard or his van, didn't see any money on the counter when he got there (in contradiction to Lisa B's book-the truth about that is in the transcripts and per his statement in Lisa P's filing after he read Lisa's book). He didn't see Mr. Swenszkowski even though they both stated to police that they were at the D&W at 7:41am. Besides what Oakes filed in his Statement of Facts for the Hearing which was fairly accurate of Stinson's testimony, Mr Stinson testified that he did not check the basement for the missing clerk. Curtis checks the basement after his arrival. Testified that the only doors unlocked were those used by customers which means the back, outside basement door was locked and the double door and single door in the front were unlocked. Contrary to what Oakes is trying to claim in the court of law. This seems to be among the reasons he's giving for not believing that Tonya was given a confession by Steen. His 'fact' about the doors is incorrect vs the trial testimony.

Interesting to note that if the inmates truly heard an accurate "confession" from Gary then there should have been other customers who reported the store unattended before 7:45am by Mr. Stinson. They testified that Gary told them that he and his brother took Heidi from the store, approximately 15 minutes one way, away from the store, Richard brought her back, left but then returned to buy his cigarettes but she was already gone. The inmates testimony was hogwash as 1) No one believes Heidi would leave (willingly) the store unattended to simply "talk" to someone and 2) There was a purchase for 2 packs of generic cigarettes on the cash register tape. Surely may have made a difference if Mrs. Duell had testified about all 15 or so transactions that morning instead of just the last 3 or 4 that a competent investigator could have compared to the witness statements.

Look at the DA's Timeline...First notice no mention of the register being "turned on" at 4:06am as Mrs. Duell testified. Heidi and Brett's arrival time should have been 5:06am with DST?? DA's time of arrival is 5:55am after DST so should have been 4:55am turn on?? Why the 49 minute discrepancy?
Next notice the disinterested witness who didn't know Richard, recognized the van from sight and sound, saw it go by his residence at approximately 7:15am and go back by within a half hour later. Should have only taken minutes?? That would make Richards cash out time many minutes before 7:42am?? Even considering if he did kidnap Heidi?? That witness did not notice any speeding or erratic driving. Certainly not going by his residence twice to "fit" the inmates testimony.
Next-Look at 8-8:30-Mr. Neville Sr. claims to have seen Richards van at Gary's but the exact same time, Richards neighbor sees Richards van at his own house...
Another thing to look at is 6:35am-Darlene Upcraft sees a rusty white van at the D&W. So does that mean it was Richards or some one elses????? Well, assuming the inmates were correct, it would have to be Richards, but how would that fit with the transactions or no one reporting Heidi not being there?? We KNOW from the police notes that Oakes filed that there were in fact transactions very shortly after 6:35am. Mrs. Duell's mother, co-owner, for one. So what are the possibilities about Mrs. Upcraft? 1) the time as per Oakes is wrong 2)There was another rusty white van at the D&W that morning.
Notice all the activity around 7:40am at the D&W-Mr. Wiltse makes purchase, Mr. Swenszkowski arrives and makes a purchase, Richard (supposedly arrives and makes a purchase), Mr. Stinson is there and looks in the store for a missing clerk, other customers arrive and minutes later flags Curtis. DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.

I know, I know, none of the Defense questioning or witnesses were believed by the jurors that's why Gary was convicted.

Circumstantial case my ...What about this timeline drivel, Mr. Oakes, makes LE 99.9% sure it was Richard and Gary that kidnapped Heidi? Just curious if the 99.9% has been downgraded? "No link between Gary and Heidi" per the FBI that detailed their surveillance efforts and performed the forensic testing. If Dodd had a truly, just circumstantial case then why was the brother who actually admitted to being at the store that morning found Not Guilty?? Why was there no human bones in the furnace or soil debris, or in Richards van or the carpet that was removed? Simply, Swiss Cheese case. Frankly, a Swiss Cheese conviction is not Justice!!

Yes, Death, you, I, any one of us could win against the DA but for the psychological games they played with this case...Prosecutorial misconduct, massaging witnesses, incompetent investigation...A jury of peers from the same small community where terrifying things like a young girl disappearing doesn't happen!! The timeline is wrong and so is the transaction tape from the register....The one piece of supposed factual time and that register tape doesn't fit. Boy, would I love to know if Mrs. Duell testified to the ENTIRE transaction tape in Richards trial.

The defense for Steen not being culpable is simply repulsive. Likewise is the defense of Bohrer and Breckenridge's possible involvement know as early as 1994. Do your job and stop discounting everything that doesn't point to Gary. LE has received many leads about others' involvement since as early as 2000 in this open missing persons case. There have got to be some LE who aren't as dumb as a box of rocks and want to see justice served!!
 

 

 

                                                                                                                                 May 22/18


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
The Death of C.S. and the corruption of an investigation that led to an innocent man's life ruined.

I don't know as I have not read the trial transcript but would love to know if Stinson testified at Gary's trial. We know Bivens did ( kind of ) but did they both see the same men, van, girl etc.? That should have made two witnesses for the DA. But if Stinson didn't, why not? His story doesn't make sense to me ( jmo ) but a conflicting testimony by him would have thrown a monkey wrench into Dodd's case.

If Stinson did testify, I offer my apology but would still like to know what he said under oath...if that even counts in this court filled with kangaroos. Sorry but I have been over this 100 times and I just cannot get it thru my thick head how your story of that morning makes any sense.

I certainly hope ( like a lot of ppl ) that DA Oakes gets his chance to win this case. I think he will delay as long as possible instead of a speedy trial so that he can PROVE Gary is guilty. Only problems I see are: no one saw him there, Stinson's testimony will sink the prosecution and get Stinson convicted in a later court...prison..yuck. Better come clean because they are going to throw you under the bus. Descriptions by Bivens does not match either brother, as they were both smaller than Heidi ( a live, accurate comparison of 3 people ).
And what about Swenkowski's testimony, he said he held the door for Richard and watched him get into his van ALONE..I REPEAT< ALONE and drive away. No Heidi, no Gary.

It will be proven by a lawyer that Heidi was signed to be a CI, even if she wasn't used as per the OCSD members. Except one thing Mr. Oakes one deputy said he was there when she was signed to be a CI. How you gonna get around that one? Then there are the ppl she told she was doing it.

Not a lawyer but why did Jenn's statement be branded HERE SAY if the suspects told her that Heidi was in the van at her house that Jenn said she never lived at??

I am not a lawyer but other than the technicalities of law, I really believe I could convince a jury that it was impossible for this crime to happen the way they said it did. He was convicted on " they must have had something or they wouldn't have gotten this far"..per a original jury member. If they had something, what was it? Wasn't an eye witness to seeing the bros. take her. Jenn's interrogation's are full of lies, erased phone messages and then she her self admitted that she did know what happened. But in the paper weeks ago, Okaes said her testimony can't be believed. Then why set up a taped phone call, interrogate her, give her a poly that she failed, caught in lie after lie about where she lived, told them.."after 20 years I still have to tell you that there were 2 vans?" How could the OCSD investigators and Oakes just ignore this statement? But believed her when she said that she lied on the phone call...sure knew a lot for someone that made it all up.

Face it Jenn some one got to you. You got scared and the DA gave you immunity even though he said you couldn't be believed?????


Do you see Mr. Oakes why I say I could convince a jury that Gary is innocent....but I would not be allowed to convict any one that may have been involved in a cover up....nope. THAT'S GONNA BE THE FBI'S PICNIC.
                                                                                                                                 May 20-21/18

 



Mr. Christopher Bivens
Too bad Judge Clary didn’t let the Defense question him about the car accident he had in October 1993 because then “We the People” may have learned if it was a DWI that Judge McCarthy represented Bivens for that caused Judge McCarthy to recuse himself from hearing Gary’s case.
After all “WE” have learned over the past 5 years about many of the prosecution witnesses, some still believe the witnesses were/are credible? Simply amazing!! Bet Oakes couldn’t convince a jury now that they are credible.
Reply about Mr. Neville-
If one were to have refreshed their memory of the ENTIRE trial testimony from Mr. Neville and Jr., they would have recalled that there was question as to whether Mr. or Jr. was the one that went to the gas station the morning of April 3, 1994. Fahey was prepared to call a witness who was told by Jr. that it was he (Jr.) that went to the store and not Mr. Neville. Why would they lie about who went to the store? Was it because Jr. was in some legal trouble at the time?
Every other neighbor of Gary that testified could not identify a van that they supposedly saw at Gary’s the morning of April 3, 1994 but also testified that they had seen Richards van many times previously at Gary’s. So why is that? Ms. Link did not identify Richards van at Gary’s until a couple months before Gary’s trial. Speaking of Bivens, hmmm, the Cowen’s who were Gary’s neighbor knew that Bivens was going to be testifying before the Grand Jury against Gary in regards to Heidi’s disappearance. “It’s a small world after all.” Wasn’t Mr. Cowen the one who was making disparaging remarks about Gary to another neighbor?
Thank you “Manna from Heaven”. So, Wheeler, Yerdon, VanPatten, Dodd, Todd, Nellis, any LE for that matter…how did you feel about Gary when you found out he had assault on a police officer in his history? Not too many people know about that because it wasn’t admitted during trial but I bet that would cause LE to have tunnel vision and 99.9% sure of their guilt without evidence that even tied both brothers to the disappearance.
To all the dummies who keep trying to say that Gary was some big drug dealer, you do know that the FBI was surveilling the Thibodeau’s in April 1994? Just look in Oakes filing for the Hearing to see the details (which can easily be posted if you’re skeptical). What was the FBI’s testimony about Gary or Oswego County Sheriff’s testimony of evidence? Follow the bouncy ball, dummy dumkins. Also, dummy dumkins, how do you think LE knew that Richard washed his van at the car wash on April 28 or that Gary was helping at the Nelsons’? Surely, if Gary was some big time drug dealer he would have gotten caught going down state or to another state?
What was one of the questions Dodd asked the prospective jurors about a kidnapping vehicle? Answer: they wouldn’t still be driving it around. Bet those jurors were disqualified by Dodd because their answer didn’t fit his narrative!!

*Too bad Oakes didn’t accidentally file the notes from any photo lineup given to Bivens before Richard’s photo and Gary’s photo was plastered in the news*
Praying to see Justice in my lifetime for Heidi’s and Gary’s families. And that is just speaking of this case, not mentioning the other sheisty happenings in OZ.
                                                                                                                                 May 19/18


Let's just assume the Sheriffs are liars. The paperwork proves it. Two days after Heidi vanishes they hault all searches claiming there was no crime scene and that she may have hopped a plane. Out of the blue there's a crime scene, two suspects with no link to the crime. It's called being rail roaded all on lies. Bobby Wheeler has explaining to do. He is the main reason this case went in the direction it has. Sad thing is, I'm sure there are some good sheriff's, issue is the good ol boys from 94. But in reality you can not feel sorry for any officer knowing all that's been known and doing nothing right to fix it. One can pray Oakes is disqualified and faces trouble. He should be arrested. What he has done with the information he has been given is inhumane and down right disgusting. I've spoken to several officers who think he deserves nothing less than an arrest for obstruction of justice. Hearing Wescott says Oswego is out to get her. If she thinks that. Everyone must be doing something right. She's lucky she hasn't been tared and feathered. She would deserve nothing less. And Rogers out in Rome threatening his gf, to kill her LOL go figure right. Any one seen the scumbag Bohrer? Keep up the good work people of OZ. Proud to know Oswego has citizens with integrity. That are governed by jack asses with no dignity.
                                                                                                                                 May 14/18



 

Oswego County ADA accused of driving drunk, leaving crash scene resigns

http://cnycentral.com/news/local/oswego-county-ada-accused-

of-driving-drunk-leaving-crash-scene

 

 

Today's Quote May 11/2018

Music can change the world because it can change people.
Bono



Something strikes me as odd on that day that I can't quite articulate.
Mike Bohrer was questioned by LE about his brother, John, How was it possible that LE knew then that John had a warrant for Wisconsin but they couldn't find Mike's conviction of disorderly conduct in 1981 of trying to force a young female into a vehicle?

Look at the date of the police report where John had a V&T in Oswego County. That was about 2 months after the CI was lost and found in the D&W parking lot.

Secondly, April 14 was the same day Wheeler "questioned" Dan Barney for whom police notes show as "probably suspect".

Gary became prime suspect the very next day.

 

 

 


                                                                                                                                  May 11/18



IMPROVING THE LOOK OF YOUR HOME, DON'T IT WILL COST YOU FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When we purchased our home here in the city we made changes in the front of the house to paint unpainted post and porch area added scrubs and flower beds, looks great we were proud to be part of improving our neighborhood, WHAT A MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!! just the improvements above raised our assessment 9000 dollars. it said our taxes may not go up, but I'm pretty sure that number is used to determine other taxes. We will now remove our plantings and let the paint go and the porch rot, we have even considered removing the siding on the front and side of our home to lower our cost to live here.
                                                                                                                                 May 7-8/18

 




personal plea to Mike Bohrer
Damm man. If you didn't really have anything to do with Heidi Allen's disappearance or improper disposal of her remains, I HIGHLY suggest you go to some authority (other than Oswego County) and tell what really happened because, damm, you appear FAR more guilty than Gary Thidodeau ever was. Right now, I'm 90% convinced that you, sir, are guilty and if you were to face charges, at some point when the courts realize the egregious mistake by the investigators, former ADA that prosecuted and current DA, I can pretty much guarantee that if you choose the hard way and face legal accountability, the only support you will have is from those also involved and a lawyer. Give Heidi's family the answer that you would want had she been your daughter. Someone will listen to you.

Just want you to come clean!!
                                                                                                                            May 1/18



School Board Election May 15, 2018
It is now 16 days before, you, as a resident of the Oswego City School District, will cast your vote to place two people on the board. Just remember that the two people who presently hold those seats supported spending $60,000,000 foolishly on a project that wasn't needed. They also reinstated all the positions they eliminated in their B.S. lying attempt to reduce the budget. Although the entire board should all be removed, we can only take out the ones that presently hold those seats and are up this year.
They are spending our money like drunken sailors and it is important that we put reasonable, budget minded, non-followers, to the board for the next three years. We can not sustain the level of school taxes this board has shoved up or noses. Lets start by removing the two current seats that are up this year and do the same thing for the two elections until they have all been removed. This board must be removed and if the new people put in are not willing to reduce the budget, reduce the over bloated number of teachers, reduce the benefits, and get back to what a school is for, then vote them out as well.
This can only be accomplished if you get out in force and vote!
                                                                                                                            May 1/18



Re: Unbelievable
Greg should ask Purdy why she has 2 seperate mailing addresses on Rice Road.



Re: Unbelievable
Darcy lease December 1992. Not 1993 as Greg stated. Darcy has 2 seperate addresses on Rice Road parish new York. Must be she assumed no one would find the second one. 7271 Rice Road which is an empty lot would that explain her rice road mailings? Greg should ask her why she never let anyone know about her other address. Was it really Walter living in a camper or Darcy seeing as she stated they had no place to go in May of 1993. It's clear and obvious the landlord made it public information. He NEVER lived with any of his tenants. Darcy has explaining to do. Her and her ex both have 2 rice road addresses. Darcy' s emails circulate around racing. Maybe she needs to explain herself a little more. Like what the pole is on her receipt. Couldn't be a light pole to an empty piece of property where maybe there was a camper parked, that not Walter was living in but her and her former relation Rathbun? Can you say Perjury Darcy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/03/witness_

says_she_lived_in_rice_road_trailer_in_1994_when_heidi_allen_was_kidnapp.amp

 read it. Greg did lie. It was not 93 she had the 5 month lease for. It's in evidence it was December of 92. She even testified 92.

Greg should ask her if her n her old man back then were the ones living in the camper at the end of rice road. Where they put in a telephone pole for power. 1500 pole on her receipt. In 90's cost 1500 for a light pole to produce power. Here's her other address. Walter rented that place only 6 month temporary lease. He would use it during the summer when he came home from vacation. She's full of it. Linked to the racing world. Think about who else is linked to the racing world. MURTAGH
 

 

 

 



                                                                                                                            May 1/18



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Let's just look at common sense in this case. Can anyone really believe the OCSD did the best they could when they ignored an over whelming amount of loose ends. This is beyond criminal. They had a vast amount of leads: Stinson, Bivens, Bohere, Jenn Wescott, the airport, Swenkowski, Richard's van, Gary's property, taped phone call ( of course denied as not credible ). Why did you do it then? Why bring Tonya up here and then discredit her...to make your cover up stronger. No poly for Tonya? Jenn failed hers and then told you wht you needed to here. 2 vans...she told you there were 2 vans and you ignored this? Why? Don't answer, the public is sick of your lies. Are you not to investigate leads???? Anyone in LE would have pushed JW harder. Were you afraid she was going to spill the beans so much that you and the famous 3 were going down. LIKE THE MAN IN OSWEGO COURT SAID IN 2014.." WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING OSWEGO." He also said "we" could have solved this is 2 weeks. I wonder who "WE" are. The FBI? I ask anyone can you actually read this crime and not believe there is a cover up? This case is so weak the Oakes, if he has to go to trial and stall in hope that Gary passes away. Because you don't have a shred of evidence to win this case. Lisa will destroy you and all involved in this. A person told his brother that back in those days that 2 deputies stopped him, found some coke, took the coke and let him go. Meanwhile back at the airport in the early morning hours comes a plane, seeking the county issued vehicles that are there waiting for it. Just give Gary a chance and you'll see what this case is made of. Where's the proof, where's Stinson, who saw Gary there. You couldn't even convict Richard who admitted to being there. How many kidnappers call and tell them they were there after they did commit the crime. Please, your lies are laughable.
                                                                                                                            May 1/18


Oakes lying again.
"According to Tonya Priest he came in the back door." Greg do you ever get tired of lying? Where in her statement does it ever say the back door? Because what it says is "side door and he grabbed her from behind the counter" do you not ever think before you speak? What law allows you to add to actual statements? Here's the statement. The back doors on the other side of the building and that's why you made that up, you bold faced lied to the appeals judges. Do you not think they'll catch that fabrication on your part? Greg, Lisa is dead on. She did not cherry pick Bohrer. Nor did the FBI IN 1995 when they labeled him a person of interest. But your department did cherry pick Gary Thibodeau.

                                                                                                                            April 28-29/18
 


Heidi Allen
Heidi Allen's sister said a court case won't help them find her sister? Neither has accusing, arresting, trying and convicting a person without physical evidence he committed the crime. Maybe the wrong guy is being held accountable? Did you really think those 3 guys would admit in a court of law to telling people that they did tell others they were involved? No care in the world that the 3 plead the 5th during testimony and then answered because they were given immunity for those questions?

So let me get this straight, if someone is given immunity for their testimony they are presumed to be giving Truthful testimony? Just curious because Sharon was given immunity but the jurors didn't believe anyhow and Jennifer was given immunity, even though she was a convicted liar, but her testimony is believed? Boy, were the jurors wrong about Sharon! Now THAT is a double-standard! I guess it depends for which side the person is "for" on whether their immunity testimony is believed. So what people are saying is that Jennifer is believed when she claims to have told lies but not believed during the unknown to her police wiretapped call nor believed to have lied about the lie detector questions that showed deception?

Why is it so hard to wrap your head around that Steen, Bohrer and Breckenridge may have taken Heidi and did what they told others and then one or two of them removed Heidi's remains from the cabin floorboards and then the remains were shipped to Canada? Bohrer may have been......thought about moving the remains. They certainly had "opportunity" to remove them. The guy who testified for the prosecution to building a "fort" when he was a teenager said on the stand that part of the floor was concrete and part wood.

*sarcasm* I thin k the community member in 1994 that publicly said they thought Heidi was dead and would never be found is the true kidnapper. How would he/she have known that so early on in the investigation?

Duh, Oakes, it isn't very difficult to wrap your head around how Gary said things to the inmates about Heidi's disappearance when he was calling home, having news articles read to him, the inmates eavesdropping his phone calls and then asking him questions. You buds, Wheeler and Yerdon, helped fill in the rest. A little good "coaching" from Dodd and there you go!! Wrongful case study for future generations. You do know that Heidi's disappearance was in the news daily for months after the disappearance AND it was LE that the news was getting most of the quotes from. That was until they had a gag order placed on them. Do tell WHY law enjokement had a gag order placed against them.
                                                                                                                            April 28-29/18



Re: Lisa Buske
Auntie says Heidi was a bad girl. Or is auntie lying?

http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/10/before_1994_kidnapping_

heidi_allen_told_friend_about_working_as_a_drug_informant.html



New light shed on a mystery in 1994 Heidi Allen kidnapping

"Among the evidence that Allen worked as an informant came from her own family. Her aunt, Martha Sturtz, told sheriff's investigators in a recorded interview last year that Allen started providing information to sheriff's investigators after she got into trouble at the age of 15.

Sheriff's deputies had shown up at a drinking party Allen was attending, Sturtz said. Allen had left a child she was babysitting alone in a car, and was in trouble with the police, Sturtz said.

Sturtz' husband, Russell Sturtz, contacted the sheriff's office about having Allen provide information to them in exchange for Allen facing only a person-in-need-of-supervision petition in family court instead of more serious charges, Martha Sturtz told investigators."
                                                                                                                            April 28-29/18

Another lie.
Replay Greg's ten minutes of fame from appeals. He said Darcy supplied a 93 lease from December. Wrong Greg. Straight from Purdy mouth during testimony. "
Purdy signed a lease to rent the trailer from Deb Vecchio in December 1992 for five months, Purdy said. Vecchio's father, Walter Rice, owned the trailer and property."
                                                                                                                            April 28-29/18


Re: Greg Oakes performance at the Court of Appeals April 26 2018
From the OCSD's own files it says Jenn lived on Rice Road
Nothing that I know of was said about Purdy's wedding shower was at that address and mailing something from Parish means nothing.
The only mail I heard mentioned was some mail order catalog. Purdy's wedding certificate from the church didn’t say her address.
Oakes tried to say that James Steen told Tonya Priest, that Heidi was taken out the back door. Not true! Look at my picture below of the "back Door"
What was said was the side door. Two doors on the front side of the D&W, see my picture below.
Oakes also stated that nothing was out of place at the D&W after Heidi went missing, he even said not even a newspaper was out of place, wrong again Greg, OCSD even took a picture of the newspaper on the floor the day of the "kidnapping".
By the way Oakes, Darcy Purdy being a legal secretary in law office does nothing to add to her credibility, she's been proven to be a liar, many times over.

GREG YOU LIED AND LIED AND LIED! EVEN THE PUBLIC KNOWS, YOU THINK THE JUDGES ARE THAT STUPID?
i GIVE YOU AN F, FOR YOUR PERFORMANCE THURSDAY!


                                                                                                                            April 28-29/18



Lisa Buske
Did Lisa thake the bus to the Appeals Court in Albany or did she drive the new car she bought with the money form the Heidi Allen Center?????????????
                                                                                                                            April 28-29/18


Barlows Drug Dealers
Christman worked for Jim Bell but that is no surprise since so many of Bells former employees had drug related history. Can anyone say Dolittle he was another one that worked for Bell when he wasn’t screwing the wife and daughter of one of the city cops. At the time he was one of the biggest dealers in the city. He must have left town or Barlow would have made him a department head by now.
                                                                                                                             April 27/18



Answer question Lisa
I about dropped my coffee this morning reading that. How many more people Lisa have to come forward before you accept one of them? Lisa yes where is the reward money? Many know where it went, but many are sure you'll never answer that. Yes why did you lie about your sister? You make no sense none. You actually looked like a fool in the last article. Let's be frank Lisa is you really believed Gary Thibodeau was guilty you wouldn't be saying atleast one person out there knows.
                                                                                                                             April 27/18


Barlow and background check!
Love how Barlow said they did the proper background check on the two DPW workers. Smith worked for the City a couple years ago and was fired and went to rehab! What is the big deal with Kells at the McCrobie building it is a City owned building so what is the problem with him being their?
                                                                                                                             April 27/18


DPW arrests
You are right Mayor. The tax payers do not deserve this. We do not deserve someone like Tom Kells in charge of the DPW. We do not deserve the black eye the inexperienced landlord has put on this city. We do not deserve the hiring of his cronies to do his dirty work. Putting non qualified people such as C.M and E. B. in key positions with no experience. It's true,a new Dock Master? What Marine experience does Broadwell's wife bring? Below is a general description of the job qualifications of a Dock Master taken from a job search website.
Qualifications
A dockmaster should have general seamanship knowledge that includes boating right-of-way rules, basic navigation and inshore and offshore mooring techniques. This person must also have a solid understanding of marina operations. She could hold a degree in marine management or certifications, such as the Certified Marine Manager (CMM) or a Marina Operations Certificate.
Kells's hiring practise is none other than who he likes. Experience and meeting certain skill and job requirements are not in his vocabulary and putting his hand picked buddies in key positions only spells disaster.
So yes, the tax payers do not deserve what you are letting happen under your watch Mayor. You can sugar coat and beautify the city all you want. It's what you are letting go on behind closed doors is what will bring this city down.
                                                                                                                             April 27/18
 

 



Gary Thibodeau
Originally scheduled for ten minutes each. Ten for Lisa and ten for Joakes. Well..well..appeals just bumped them up to the max of 30 minutes each. Think you can keep your story straight Greg getting drilled with questions you can't answer. Many of us doubt it.
                                                                                                                             April 26/18



Death to common sense reply
You have that wrong Jenns son pushed the button the night she was taped. Read the transcript. Jennifer clearly says I was trying to get my phone from my son. It's on page one. No one ever said the night before. If you read the entire transcript she explains her other son had her phone til late the night prior as he went to a school dance.
                                                                                                                             April 26/18


Re: Dealing from a City Truck
Going start off with people writing into this site tried telling you so....

Their were two busted. One was none other than Kells's girlfriends brother. How you going to brush this one off Kells? Barlow? So why has the drug testing stopped at the DPW? It will be in the paper soon enough. Proof of the dealings with kells and company. How many more of HIS hires are dealing/using? Oh guess there is a new "Dock Master" hired. Guess who? Hint, it's the wife of a local legislator and the owner of two hotels on the river.....there is no corruption in city hall or the dpw now is there? All of his hires need to pee in a cup! Him included! Karma is beginning!
                                                                                                                             April 26/18



Two Oswego DPW workers accused of having drugs while on the job
http://cnycentral.com/news/local/two-oswego-dpw-workers-accused-of-having-drugs-while-on-the-job

                                                                                                                             April 26/18



Dealing From A City Truck
Its not like they had kilos of the stuff and they weren’t dealing just making deliveries and pickups for there bosses in City Hall and the DPW.


 April 26/18



Drugs in City Vehicles
Good to see that Kell's is hiring highly quality people in the DPW that are using city trucks as their delivery system to their drug customers. Seems there should be mandatory drug testing for these new hires. Heard it was Kell's girlfriend's brother. Funny how she was promoted to Kell's right hand girl, was given a new pick-up truck to wonder around the city in, and then Kell's hired her drug head brother.
The DPW used to be a highly revered and trusted department that was excellent at their jobs, and since Kell's and Barlow showed up, this department is in the shitter, as is the city. Sad to see a very efficient city department go to hell because of the wrong people being put in positions of power. Barlow is doing the same thing with the purchasing department...eliminating a high quality employee like Mike Riley, to let Onondaga County take over the Purchasing function for the city of Oswego, is a huge mistake.
Interesting that Kell's girlfriend has right hand girl riding around in the new city pick-up truck with her? Someone said she had some connection to S Broadwell??? Go figure.


April 26/18




“Barlow said this type of behavior does not reflect the work ethic of the over 60 employees with the DPW.”
Correct mayor little willey.

It only reflects the dpw workers you hired.


April 26/18



Two guys get busted for a small amount of crack and some pills big deal.
They should take a drug sniffing dog to Barlows and Kells office and see what they find there.


April 26/18


DPW arrests
I wonder how this will be swept under the Barlow/Kells blanket. How can they not know he was using? Just look at him. What were they doing at McD's at 10 when break is at 9 :15 or so. Who was monitoring the GPS on this truck or was it one of the trucks that Kells had it removed. Cristmans sister is a big foreman/woman, were they working under her? How long has this been going on? Barlow is just as guilty because he lets Kells do what ever he want, hire whoever HE wants and isn't made to follow procedures. Maybe Kells shouldn't be spending so much time hanging out at the McCrobie building. can't hide forever tommy boy. Karma has dealt her first hand…


April 26/18


Follow The Money
From two guys in a truck > Kells > Barlow > Barclay family.


April 26/18

 

 

 

 

Today's Quote April 25/2018

No man thinks there is much ado about nothing when the ado is about himself.
Anthony Trollope



Dealing From A City Truck
Three unmarked cars came into the DPW this morning where a quantity of drugs was found in a city truck. Two of Mayor Billy Barlow’s new hires were arrested

 

April 25/18



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Let's see what the OCSD FAILED to do:

Did they check Jenn Wescott's phone to see if Jenn's kid did indeed push Tonya's phone button the nite before it was tapped?
Did they check with Bohere, Steen's and Roger's neighbors to see if they heard anything that morning?
Did they check with the manager of the airport after he took action?
Did they stake out the airport for traffic at 4am as reported by the ppl who lived near there?
Did they interview the deputy that said he was there and heard that Heidi was a CI?
Did they follow up ( with the DA at that time ) about a deputy allegedly lying on the witness stand?
Did they question Stinson, Swenkowski and Bivens about seeing or not seeing anyone at the store? This is a big one.
Did they put the brothers in a line up?
Did they push Jenn Westcott in that interrogation or arrest here for knowing about it etc. whatever law there may be?
Did they arrest Jenn after a near confession and admitting to knowing what happened?
Did they follow up after the knew Jenn lied about knowing the "three" and lying about living on a certain road?
Did they follow up on Jenn and Roger's Florida trip even though Jenn said she didn't know him?
Did they take a statement from a person who contacted them about seeing a blue van driving fast etc? No they didn't.
Did they check on the snitches statements to see if they were even true? NOPE!
Did they follow Gary to MA even after they stacked out his house on April 4,5,6? No they did not? But somehow knew he dumped Heidi's body there...but never went there to check.
Did they ask Bivens, Stinson and Swenkowski to take a poly? Swenkowski is an innocent man and did not lie. But they did poly Richard 4 times...(hoping OCSD?)

As I said before this crime was impossible to happen the way they said it did. Nothing makes sense and as trained cops and investigators you have FAILED in this cover up and you know it. Only hope the FBI gets involved. And Moe, retiring won't save you from an investigation..hoping for Statute of Limitations.....not gonna happen. You guys left so many loose ends, mistakes, lies and mis directions.

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO KNOW YOU ARE CLOSE TO GOING TO PRISON? LET'S SEE HOW THICK THAT BLUE LINE IS. If yo don't think that someone involved isn't going to rat on you...think again. First come first served.


April 25/18

 


City Hall Corruption...Follow the Money
The Community Development Office has been moved out of the Conway Building (the police station) and are now renting space at 44E Bridge Street. This building is owned by Pathfinder Bank, and how surprising that Barlow chose that location for Rudick to move the Community Development Department to. Surprise, Scheindiner CEO of the bank, donated $2,400 to Barlows campaign. Rudick also hired Sue Deary's daughter for that department as well; of coarse there is no nepotism involved there. Might want to look at the names of some of the others that are employed there. You would shocked! What is the rent costing us?
In this move, Rental assistance also had to move and is now renting space at 159 Liberty, and is now headed by, now wait for it, Nathan Emmons, Barlows biggest suck-up boy when Nathan was a make-believe councilor. He is now a make-believe legislator. Now, don't try to find 159 Liberty Street because it doesn't really exist, as it is really 154 W Mohawk Street and is owned by Litatro Holdings LLC. Now, who is Litatro Holding LLC? That would be Atom Avery's shell company and Avery olny donated $2,000 to Barlow's campaign. What is the rent on this building?
Corruption in city hall is like a cancer and is spreading. I thought this city was done with corrupt people in political office, but it just keeps gong on and Oswego just keeps electing them. These guys make Gosek look like a saint, and that is saying something. The people of Oswego will keep their heads buried in the sand and when this house of cards falls, they will all say " How could that have happened again"?


April 23-24/18



THE SNITCHES LAFOND, MCDONALD, & BALDASORO
Keith W Lafond MA 11-20-1963 02-16-1995 31.3

BORN: November 20, 1963 - DIED: February 16, 1995 .. Lived for about 31.3 Years

This is the one nicknamed "Chicken", the one hand washes the other person, so they didn't have him come to testify.


James E. McDonald
February 15, 1963 ~ July 8, 2015 (age 52)
James E. McDonald of Winthrop passed away at the Eatpointe Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Chelsea of July 8, 2015 after a prolonged illness. He was 52 years old. Born in Winthrop he was the beloved son of Catherine (McMann) and Joseph McDonald. A lifelong resident of Winthrop, he was a graduate of Winthrop High School. He was employed for many years as a painter and was a member of the Winthrop Lodge of Elks.

He was the loving father of Mary McDonald of Nashua, New Hampshire, Catherine McDonald and Jamie McDonald both of Manchester, New Hampshire. He was the beloved brother of John McDonald, of Winthrop, Robert McDonald of Connecticut, Thomas McDonald of Nashua, New Hampshire and Joseph McDonald of Winthrop.

Family and friends are cordially invited to attend the visitation from the funeral home on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 from 4:00 to 7:00 PM. A funeral service will be held in the funeral home at 7:00 PM the same evening.


http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/10/key_witness_changes_

story_about_what_thibodeau_said_in_jail_about_heidi_allen_ki.html



Key witness in Heidi Allen kidnapping changes story about what Thibodeau told him in jail


"For the first time, Baldasaro said in the interview that he got the information about the shovel from another inmate, not Thibodeau, at the Worcester House of Corrections. In the interview with Syracuse.com, Baldasaro said he likely heard that from inmate James McDonald.

"I never heard that" from Thibodeau, Baldasaro said. "Jimmy might've been the one who brought up the shovel and I just heard it from Jimmy. I'm pretty sure Jimmy was the one who said something about a shovel."

"That's not what Baldasaro testified to in June 1995. He said he heard about the shovel directly from Thibodeau when Baldasaro asked how Allen had died.

Thibodeau "told me her head had been bashed in with a shovel and she was mutilated," Baldasaro said, according to a transcript of the trial.

By the end of the interview with Syracuse.com, Baldasaro insisted that everything he said in the 1995 trial was accurate."

SO OAKES, TWO APPEAR TO BE DEAD, AND THE THIRD CAN'T KEEP HIS STORIES STRAIGHT! MORE LIES!

 

 

 


April 23-24/18

 

From what little I read in this statement, a jailhouse felon from a nearby cell does not like Gary based upon the fact that he likes to smoke dope and have kinky sex with his girlfriend who is over the age of consent and from this Don Dodd somehow extrapolates guilt in the Heidi Allen case. At that point in time half the population of Ozwego County, DAs included, were smoking some kind of dope and getting high and having kinky sex with everything (man, woman, child, male and female) from 14-70 year-olds. In this same time period several members of Dodds District Attorneys office were using and selling drugs. They were embezzling from clients and plotting murder. This is not bullshit I have seen proof.

 

 

 

 

Today's Quote April 22/2018

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
Will Rogers



Oswego Rotting Under Barlow Administration
Has anyone noticed all of the infrastructure improvements under the Barlow administration? The influx of new business and an increased tax base?
Young professionals choosing Oswego as their home? An increase in tourism? (think: 1.5 million dollar cannons on display and then look at the condition of the one in front of city hall now) Transparency and accountability to the resident taxpayers? A HUD inspector who isn't a rubber-stamper for the slumlords that own this town? (He will be held accountable 1st in a court of law when the State investigates the next tenant death in a slumlord dwelling that should have been condemned NOT approved. After he's indicted he'll be Oswego's most famous whistle blower)
Phony property tax valuations and manipulations, either grossly over or undervalued, depending on who owns the property. Way too much graft for this City to finance. Barlow early in his administration made a show of getting "tough" on slumlords (his word) Reality is the slumlords are Billy's best friends forever.


April 22/18




City Hall Corruption...Follow the Money
One has to wonder how the proposed condo located at the intersection of West 1st St and Bridge Street (City of Oswego) could be eligible for $700,000 in grant money for Avery? The grant proposals for the money coming from the state and the awards were listed well over a year ago. Avery purchases the old Global Buffet Building a few months ago and is now approved for $700,000 in grant money over night. Could the secret meeting in the Mayors office have anything to do with promises made for that purchase, if grant money approval was given in advance of the purchase? Then, there is the question, who in their right mind would want to live on the busiest and noisiest intersection in the city of Oswego. Where will the parking be and has a parking plan been approved by planning board? Certainly the Planning Board will give their approval regardless if it meets the codes or not. Standard procedure for them
Why don't we just follow the theoretical money trail and let the corruption speak for itself. The following contributions were made to the Barlow campaign and who benefited from them.
Bell...$350..got the job as head of Code Enforcement, allowing him to ignore building permits for certain people, asbestos inspections and dumping permits in the middle of the city and on certain personal property. Put windows in his car wash without building permit.
Reynolds...$200..got to keep his job as Assistant City Attorney
Barlow family..$2,400..had thousands of dollars( estimate of $25,000 in labor and materials) in new sidewalks and new driveway apron. Did this in cahoots with Gosek, 5th ward Councilor.
Scheindiner..$2,000..One might want to inquire where Avery got his loan?
Broadwell...$1,500..Got grant for $1,000,000 for water slide.
Kells...$5,000..Got job as DPW Commissioner, $75,000 plus Benefits, selling city lumber illegally, removing city property which he thinks it is his, hired son for mowing contract, hired girlfriend and gave her new city truck to drive and not following city policy on other hires..so much more on this guy to come.
Avery..$1,000...needs no explanation...
Pauldine...$5,000..Got the old Cahill Building for much less than value, then got $1,000,000 grant for the Cahill Bld and that dump on the corner of W Bridge. Was in cahoots with Gosek Sr.and Turner when they gave him a contract for $10,000 a year of taxpayers money to use the hallway in his Canal Commons. Now he has the old YMCA Bld and his buddy Bell is turning a blind eye as head of code enforcement regarding the illegal activities on that building.
Caraccioli...$500...Got City Attorney Job, Barlow had it made full time with a raise and full benefits, Caraccioli is actually running the city as little boy Barlow doesn't have a clue. There is more to this saga, but for a latter date.
Corradino...$198...Barlow pushed to have him made council president...
Stepien...$750...Got contract for the city web site with his group called Step One Creative LLC.. he used to work for Schiediner at the bank.... Also got contract with Port throuh this contact. gets thousands a year on this deal.
Holman...$250....was appointed by or. Barlow to be chair of the City Ethics Board...seems a bit unethical.
As we move along looking at the corruption of this city, the next look will be at the Community Development Department and the people who are working there. Nepotism and political greed and the extraordinary cost of that department, along with the questionable grants and what they are used for. Also a look at the discrimination coming from the Section 8 Rental assistance program.
More to come......

 

 April 22/18



Lame Duck Drug Story!!
I was just going over Wescott's interrogations and her lie detector video. I agree the lame story about drugs with the Thibodeau's, is useless, after watching her video and she blames the Thibodeau's about where she was buying her drugs she says even after Thibodeau was interrogated she continued to buy drugs off him, right Wescott, seeing as they were staking out Gary's home the night Heidi vanished and if any one has any knowledge of any interrogation with Gary Thibodeau post it here, because there from the records does not seem to be one. I wonder how she bought drugs all the way through when he was in Massachusetts the entire summer of 1994. Also I would love for her to explain if he was such a monstrous drug dealer, why is it when his property was searched on two separate occasions and why they never found a drop of drugs. Why is it he and Sharon would need help from social services if he was rolling in the dough off drug money. I have to admit, I to thought maybe if he wasn't involved in the kidnapping maybe it was the drugs but to look at all the facts there isn't even a drop of any drug's collected off Gary's property during either arrest or search. Lame duck drug story Wescott and how many trips did you have to take to Massachusetts to get drugs from the jail in which Gary was being held at? I agree one week til' Gary's appeals and I hear it is not going to go the way she or they hope it will. Tick tock your damn clock's are almost out of time. You all best pray for a "Manna from Heaven" to save your "NOT" sorry lying asses!!


April 20/18
 



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To "reply to all"

You don't have to give names, but is what you are telling us about Stinson etc. the truth? And that many others have been interrogated?

I hope so but if they are using this as a cover up like the Jenn W. interrogation then it's a waste of time...;because I still believe they had enough to arrest her on something connected to this crime...BUT WHY DIDN'T THEY?


pril 9/18

 



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To the Gary supporters:
All you need to solve this case is
1. Why didn't Stinson see Richard, Swnkowski or Bivens if he was there before and after the crime?
2. Why didn't Bivens see Stinson there?
3. Why would Swenkowski lie about seeing Richard and seeing him leave alone?..He didn't lie, someone else did.


April 6/18


Heidi
I do not know who knows about Heidi dating the sheriff. Its always been a rumor. Never confirmed. Nor did I know he was questioned.


April 6/18



Jenn Wescott recorded phone call with Tonya Priest
Jennifer Wescott said many telling things in the background that many didn't hear, because you have to listen closely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPjO5L0L_Ck&t=36s

Listen closely at the below listed times. You may have to listen a few times to catch it, but all can be heard.
@1 minute and 3 seconds, Tonya Priest: "Why did they even do this?" Jennifer Wescott: "It was for the cocaine"
@1 minute and 16 seconds, Jennifer Wescott, "I couldn't get them to go."
@4 minutes and 47 seconds, Jennifer Wescott. "Animals, God Almighty."
I'd say Jennifer knows a lot more about Heidi Allen's kidnapping.


April 6/18


Maybe these 2



Photo dated 2015 maybe, just maybe these two could tell you more about the officers relations with Heidi Allen. Everyone knew and knows. Its not a secret. But these two obviously have a secret. Nothing like meeting up in the middle of the Thibodeau case and getting their stories straight. Murtaghs sister has a secret. Must be sex, drugs and handcuffs keeps ocsd at bay.


April 6/18

Gary Thibodeau
Gary Thibodeau cocaine dealing. That's laughable. No traffic in and out of his home, confirmed by his neighbors, two huge searches on his property in 94 no drugs, no large amounts of money, no nothing was ever found on him during his arrests or on his property. For a man dealing huge quantities of cocaine he sure as hell hid the stash well. So well, the OCSD had nothing at all to support that theory. "They" are posting Heidis remains were found in some gravel pit. Upon Gary's arrest they searched a gravel pit 30 miles from his home. Bet your ass if they ever found anything in any way. It would have been used during the 95 trial. "If no one talks, everyone walks," the new slogan. To bad many already are talking. Heidis cop friend may want to understand one thing. There's a fine line between good cop and criminal and he's a damn criminal. Whatcha gonna do when they come for you, let me guess blame Gary Thibodeau. You are all just....


April 6/18

 


re:H.Allen Murder
News to me that Brett was a cop...unless she did have a cop bf on the dl.

If you read ALL documents available, you would have read during trial that Brett assaulted an ex-gf. You would have also read his testimony about getting to the D&W at 5:55am but the first register transaction-being turned on-was at 4:06am. How can that be?

Next, Heidi was not "used" in any criminal investigation. That's after months and months and years of the family and Dodd saying she wasn't an informant. Dodd even went so far as to tell Judge Brandt that Sergeant Lortie was mistaken when he wrote the report on April 24, 1994 of Heidi being "signed up".

You lost me at "Gary was target of cocaine investigation....". If that was true, why wasn't that used to bolster the crook killing informant angle by the prosecution. Seems like a pretty cut and dry motive as compared to what Dodd and Oakes have come up with. LE did go with the drug trafficker angle but even that has now been kiboshed with the MA police report Oakes filed and with the Fact that Gary got time served for the warrant out of MA.

p.s. I think your theory is wrong and doesn't fit the facts.

 

April 6/18
 



Heidi Allen Anniversary
Today's the Anniversary of Heidi disappearance. The sad thing is her sister not supporting finding the real truth. If she did she may actually find Heidi. She was also asked to join in the Steve Wilkos show. She was asked herself to be a direct part of the testing. She declined and informed Steve Wilkos she would press charges on them if they called her again and hung up on them. She has stated on the hope for Heidi wall it's for supporters only who have nice things to say. If you scroll all the way back as far as you can go. There is no posts reflecting anything but undying support and hope for missing Heidi Allen. Many citizens are supporters of both Heidi Allen and Gary Thibodeau. But many are not supporters of her sister or her beliefs in the Thibodeau case. She constantly says "you just needed to be in that court room." Well, many citizens were, including a multitude of reporters whom heard the very same things she, her self has, whom stood firm then and still stand firm today on the fact the "Thibodeaus were not the monsters who committed this crime." Not even her entire family believes the things Mrs. Buske does. She seems to be supporting the bogus investigation that has not brought her one step closer to finding Heidi. "It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled." That statement is a clear reflection of Mrs. Buske. Her father on the other hand made a phone call four years ago, he wanted to know if one man was named. It wasn't either Thibodeau he asked about. The onion once wrote about Lisa Buske claimimg she and her family were threatened. If so, may God forgive Mrs. Buske for not having the courage to come forward and leading many astray out of fear. God granted the real truth will come forward for Heidis father and may Mrs. Buske realize then she's been greatly fooled. May Heidis remains be brought home to rest. For if anyone deserves peace it is missing Heidi Allen.


April 4-5/18


 


H.Allen Murder
after reading ALL the available material i believe that one major suspect was never even considered and needs a much closer examination. i'm talking about the COP/ boyfriend. he had the ONLY possible motive,in my opinion.
follow this: Allen is "drug informant" Gary is target of cocaine investigation. cop is dirty. Allen finds out and is too honest.period. Cop has MOST to lose.


April 4-5/18



H.Allen Murder 2
P.S.can anyone tell us where this cop/boyfriend was immediately after Allen disappeared? did he have an "alibi" that he was too eager to use? why did he distance himself from the investigation/ shouldn't he have been the MOST concerned? did he avoid "insinuating" himself into the investigation because,being a cop, he knew that that's what the killers do?


April 4-5/18

 


Gary's case
https://youtu.be/pwNbewrBOks

 Hewitt films just cut loose w a documentary on Gary's case.
F*CK OFF OCSD
 

April 4-5/18



Oswego County Manages To Steal The Headlines From The Victims In Parkland Florida
woman accused of stealing from Parkland school shooting memorial

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/oswego_county_woman_

accused_of_stealing_from_florida_school_shooting_memorial.html

 

March 27/18

 


 

From Gary to All of you
I hope all of you. Whom have stolen another man's life. Face karma never seen before.

 

 


March 27/18

 


Moe Todd
He is conveniently retiring just before the Heidi Allen case is about to bust wide open.
Now he will have more time to piss away his money on lottery tickets and Turningstone.
His gambling habit must cost at least fifth thousand a year.


March 23-24/18

 

 


Wheeler
This questions to Robert Wheeler. If you weren't a part of this b.s. case. Why then did you run from Investigator Haumamn and put yourself behind locked doors, so he couldn't question you. Upon fleeing you said. I'll quote you "You people want to put me in prison " don't you think you belong there? Bohrer speaks of you in his writings. He said you were showing cocaine symptoms on the stand and that Wheelers business was no good anymore. What business do you have with Bohrer? Cocaine? Is that why Bohrer knew you and called the sheriff's back then screaming "I know what happened to Heidi call Bobby Wheeler." We all know Bobby all about you. Your little b.s. in this case. Thank your buddy Bohrer that may be why "you think you people want to put you in prison." Not any fun is it. When the shoes on the right foot. Imagine Mr. Wheeler the Thibodeaus felt just as you do. Terrified. But theirs was for just cause. Everyone knows your dirty as hell. I'm sure Rainy could confirm a lot more of your back ground should we send them her way? Seeing as you messed w her life also. I think you'd deserve that much. Ooops didn't think we knew who she was. We sure as hell do. How many lives have you destroyed on your lies? Can you count them on your fingers and toes? I think not. You sir deserve a nice little cell right along side Steen. No conscience, no integrity and no dignity your cell will be in hell where you truly belong. Cause in the end you'll face your maker. You think it's bad here. You haven't seen anything yet. If I were you Mr wheeler. Id start wheeling and dealing. Because Steve Wilco is about to rock OZ and he is coming for all of you. The people he's tied to are going to put you in prison along side your little goons. Clocks ticking Wheeler the hunt for Bohrer has begun.


March 16/18



Oakes
Interesting! Most of his defense arguments against Bohrer, Steen and Breckenridge would suite Gary Thibodeau. Is Defense not challenging enough? Would he rather get the adrenalin rush from putting together lies and twisting the facts to win? Or is he a pawn that can’t think for himself?

“repeated lies don’t make it true” That’s the most hypocritical quote from your legal position. What lies have you, personally, told that you claim is the Truth? Some have already been public.

You signed off on those filings/briefings so I hope you get the extreme wrath of Justice when the ‘legal system’ catches on to your blatant lies in legal documents.

Not a personal pleasure at your eventual downfall, but for Justice’s sake. Then, sadly that it happened in the first place, Gary can be added to the long list of exonerees of false convictions due to prosecutorial misconduct and biased investigations happening all over the country. #freegary Kudos to ALL who stand up against the corruption in OZ.


March 16/18




Gary "The Innocent" Thibodeau
Just read the prosecution brief for the Appeal dated March 2018… https://www.nycourts.gov/ctapps/courtpass/Public_search.aspx


You claim that Mr. Neville Sr’s testimony bolsters Mr. Fabian’s. PPfft. And what did we find out when the Defense questioned him during trial?.....That Mr. Neville Sr. was NOT the one who drove to the store the morning of April 3, 1994. In Fact, it was Neville Jr. who drove to the store. Wasn’t Jr. the one who called a lead about a weird phone call he received at his residence about where Heidi may have been and he didn’t recognize the callers voice? What is up with that? Did Law enforcement even investigate his lead and didn’t the jurors think anything fishy was going on? Also, wasn’t Neville Jr. in trouble with the law at the time of Heidi’s disappearance?

Yuuup..”the Da must have had something to get that far” but it surely didn’t become apparent, or PROVEN, if you will, in the Court of Law. law enforcement and the DA's office had months and months long media campaign to taint the public about whomever they accused. Not to mention the lies and dastardly games played with the Grand Jury. Yuuup…was a circumstantial case but the evidence DID NOT fit the twisted Facts.

-Real Fact-“no morphological details that suggest human remains” in the furnace debris. Twisted Fact-there were bone fragments in the furnace that 'could' have been Heidi.
-Real Fact-not one of 6 cadaver dogs indicated human remains on Gary’s property. No remains found after 2, that’s 2, searches of Gary’s property. Twisted Fact-The inmates guessed/surmised/theorized that Heidi was burned and buried on Gary’s property because the outside burn barrel was seized during the first property search while Gary was in the MA jail.
-Real Fact-Richard’s van was extensively searched and samples sent to the FBI lab on April 9, 1994 with no indication that Heidi was ‘ever’ in the van. Twisted Fact-Richard’s van was seen at a car wash on April 26, 1994.
-Real Fact-piece of carpet was missing from Richards van between April 9 and 26 which was found, determined to be the missing piece from the van, tested for DNA and revealed canine blood. Twisted Fact-the “rolled object” that a witness reported supposedly seeing the brothers carrying into the woods ‘could’ have had Heidi in it.
-Real Fact- Gary had 2 witnesses plus his (future) wife that gave alibis for April 2 and April 3, in addition to Richards albis. Twisted Fact-A bartender (who was also in trouble with the LAW) claims to have positively seen the brothers at a bar but told her boss she didn’t know the men who were in the bar on April 2.
-Real Fact-Gary and Sharon were in Oswego, NY between April 3-5, 1994 as evidenced by OCSD noting Caddy at residence in the evening of April 3 and receipts from the Oswego area during April 3-5. Sharon’s perjury charge for lying about their whereabouts on April 3-5 was DISMISSED. Sharon was acquitted for lying about where Gary was on April 3, 1994. Gary’s Caddy was searched in 1995. Twisted Fact-they drove to MA on April 3-5 with Heidi in the trunk.
-Real Fact- Richard had been dropped off at a job site in Liverpool. No evidence of Heidi was found in woods where 2 men were seen carrying a rolled object. Twisted Fact-Heidi may have been in the rolled rug from Richards van being seen at about 10:30am being brought into woods by Gary and Richard.
-Real Fact-none of the implements confiscated from Gary’s property had any human material on it. Twisted Fact- an army-type fold up shovel was found during a ground search and left where it lay AND a shovel from a retired detective’s van (witnessed by a reporter) had “skeletal muscle” on it.
-Real Fact-Bivens made 3 different police statements about the color, make and model of the van he supposedly saw the 2 men and one woman approaching the morning of April 3, 1994. Twisted Fact-Bivens was touted as an auto expert because he worked at an auto parts store.

-Real Fact-Bivens did not come forward with his observations until after the reward was announced. He lied on insurance questionnaires about an auto accident he was in in October 1993.
-Real Fact-The jail inmate, Baldasaro, received probation for VOP in which Florida Probation was requesting incarceration. Twisted Fact-the inmates only received compensation for room and travel for their testimony.
-Real Fact-Gary received time served for the charge in MA. Twisted Fact-Gary was arrested for drug trafficking in MA.
-Real Fact-The inmates would eavesdrop on Gary’s phone conversation while in jail and then ask him questions. Twisted Fact-Gary “confessed”.
-Real Fact-Heidi was on the employee schedule which was in customer view. Mrs. Duell and Mrs. Allen testified that Heidi “was scheduled to work” on April 3, 1994. Twisted Fact-At the last minute, Heidi volunteered to work April 3 because a co-worker could not.
-REAL FACT-Heidi was a CI for law enforcement, gave names and drug of choice of high schoolers to law enforcement Before she disappeared. Twisted Fact-Heidi informed on Gary and that’s “what she was going to screw him” about---drugs.
-Real Fact-there were 2 pre-trial Hearings- a Huntley and Sandoval. Twisted Fact-favorable prosecution evidence was suppressed.
-Real Fact-Mrs. Duell did not testify to EVERY transaction on the register tape . No other witnesses claimed the store was unattended between 6:35am when Brett supposedly left and 7:55am. Twisted Fact-The inmates testified that Gary told them he took Heidi from the store to near his house and Richard, only, brought her back to the store.
-Real Fact-Disinterested witness testifies to hearing and seeing nothing unusual about Richards van go by his property on Route 104 heading toward D&W and on the way back. Twisted Fact-Richards van was speeding and swerving as it went by.
-Real Fact-Richard purchased 2 packs of generic cigarettes. Paying with 4 $1 bills. No money was unaccounted for and law enforcement allowed the till to be deposited instead of sending for forensic testing. Twisted Fact-Register showing $1.38 (which would have been change from a $5) was the last register transaction.
-Real Fact-Mr. Swenszkowsi did not notice anyone in the van as he walked by the man that got out the drivers side. Twisted Fact-Someone other than Richard moved the van after Mr. Swenszkowski got a cigarette from the pack he just purchased and was preparing to leave.
-Real Fact-The tire mark in the D&W parking lot did not belong to Richards van. Twisted Fact-the mark was from Richards van after kidnapping Heidi.
-Real fact- The first register transaction was for 4:06am when the register was turned on. Twisted Fact-Heidi and Brett arrived at the D&W at 5:55am, turning the register on and changing the time for DST.
-Real Fact-Heidi's CI information was 'found' in evidence stored in Sheriff's garage in May 1995, right before Gary's trial began. Twisted Fact-Law enforcement denies to the public that Heidi was a CI.
-Real Fact-Dodd denies Heidi's CI status at a pre-trial Hearing in December 1994 (and via the media) even though Sergeant Lortie (of the CID unit) wrote a report on April 27, 1994 of personal knowledge that Heidi was "signed up" with parental consent. Twisted Fact-Heidi wasn't 'used' as a CI in a criminal case or criminal investigation.


Any other Real Facts?? How many uncorroborated theories does that make about the brothers being involved?

Well…it’s no wonder the DA doesn’t want to agree to another trial-He Will Lose!! Want to know the Truth for yourself, just read the DA's Statement of Facts and related documents and compare to the Defense's filings. It's all written in black and white.


March 15/18


BIG Lie
From Oakes’ briefing for the Court of Appeals-

“Significantly, neither of these men received any benefit for their testimony (i.e
more favorable plea or sentence). There was no quid pro quo in exchange for their
testimony, so there was no incentive for them to falsely implicate Appellant. (SA
494, 524-26, 563, 573).”

“While Appellant disparages their testimony and characterizes them as nothing more than jail house
snitches, they received no consideration for their testimony. Further, in evaluating
their reliability, it's worth noting that neither man claimed that Appellant directly
admitted to kidnapping and killing Heidi Allen.”

Then, Oakes, where did the handwritten notes of Mr. Baldasaro (previously posted on this site on December 2, 2017) getting probation instead of jail time as Florida Probation department recommended come from?

So, Todd, the legal narrative is that “neither man claimed that Appellant directly
admitted to kidnapping and killing Heidi Allen.” Why are you publicly saying that Gary confessed?

I pray that both you law enforcement “agents”, along with Dodd, Wheeler, Yerdon, etc… are made to atone for breaking God’s Laws. “Thou shalt not bear false witness”.

April 26 is just around the corner.

 

March 15/18
 



Reply to Dodd n Oakes
Yes they think the public's stupid. All they do is attempt to dig up dirt on everyone else. To deny their own dirt they are trying to hide. Sickening. If Heidis case doesn't tell you how much the average citizens life matters. Nothing will. Any CI for OZ your better off dealing w a punishment than putting your life on the line for those who could care less your helping them. Heidis life obviously doesn't matter her CI Status obviously was lied about. Still is. Like she was nothing. She may not have mattered to them but she mattered to many just as Gary mattered but notice only they matter. That's why anyone who goes against them. They simply lie about also and tarnish anyone reputation by saying that persons crazy. Sick it really is very sickening for the public to support this case, conviction and pathetic stories they dish out about everyone who's tried to help these families. Oakes if anything happens to the one witness you exposed as a potential other CI 4 years ago. Which is not public info. You should be held fully responsible. You publically exposed another witness who was trying to give info as a CI. VERY DANGEROUS. BUT WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU CARE. NO ONE MATTERS BUT YOUR BUDDIES IN HIGHER POWER IN OZ.


March 12/18



Brett Law
Brett Law is a liar. Brett knew didn't you Brett?? Don't lie now Brett..It's obvious you were well aware.


February 22/18



Gary's Book.
Gary and his family have editors helping build his book. It's based off all facts, court documents, and every ounce of information produced by every angle of this injustice. It's coming very soon. It has a web site built to let the reader interact with each chapter. This is gonna make OZ look like the twilight zone.
Once it's live, ready, will post the link to you great folks. It'll be available for download and paperback edition. There are 3 books in total as the story is too long to detail all in one book. We begin with Manna from Heaven and take you back to 1994-1995. Thibodeaus are very excited they finally have a voice.
To the Allen's your daughter was not a coke head and to support the DA you are supporting the theory she was a druggie and an adultres. I pray you stop supporting a theory that destroys the true reputation and life Heidi built. She was an outstanding young lady and that will be portrayed through out Gary's book. God forgive you for supporting the idea she was a druggie. With no facts to support the DA you stood by this. Gary's book will reflect the real truth. Not reflect as Heidis sisters book has. No facts, no truth and not an ounce of knowledge to this case.


February 22/18



Gary Thibodeau....The Death Of Common Sense
Reading the latest on this web I believe the case really surrounds the first people at the store. A lot of their stories don't make sense. Not seeing anyone, any cars but then one guy sees a kidnapping but the other guy who was there earlier doesn't.

There are a number of suspicious events: Person who sent Steen text.."CYA Heidi". It sure seems that he knew Steen was involved doesn't it? and he doesn't know who sent it from his phone...hard to believe.

Stinson's story still baffles me...think about it.

Swenkowski saw Richard leave ALONE...at 7:42-7:43 but his truck was seen by neighbors 2 minutes after that...impossible.

I really believe that if he wins, he will win the next trial. Will Lisa opt for a trial without a jury? And will the FBI investigate the OCSD actions as they are obviously corrupt. Almost to the unbelievable.


 February 17-18/18



Brett Law LIAR
Brett tells officers in 94 Heidi feared no one. Why is it Brett changed his story 20 years later. Now claiming Heidi feared a coke head who was in and out of jail? Why would her own boyfriend lie so bad about something that could have helped lead them to Heidi? That could have changed the course of so many lives? One could conclude Brett knows far more than he leads on. Brett how is it you've lived all these years, with not an ounce of guilt to your part in the lies that incarcerated an innocent human being? Sick bastard. There is a pretty place in hell for you and your buddies. If you think citizens aren't aware of your relationship in 94 with the original probable suspect the super hero writer the big, big guy you couldn't be more wrong. As many have already reported and confirmed your relationship with Garys attorney. Truth is you are both assholes, with no conscience. . http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/09/a_first_in_heidi_allen_kidnapping_

case_da_doesnt_oppose_evidence_newly_uncovered.html

 

February 12-13/18



Gary's day
https://www.nycourts.gov/ctapps/courtpass/Public_search.aspx
The People, Respondent, v. Gary Thibodeau, Appellant.


February 12-13/18

 

 

 

Mr. Oakes:

Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t recall Dodd’s lying “eyewitness” EVER mentioning in any police statement or court testimony that the girl he “knew” was Heidi was or was not wearing a jacket when he supposedly witnessed the struggle.  He sure did mention her chest though!!  Funny…he noticed that but not what kind of shirt or jacket she may have been wearing?!?  How dare you twist Mr. Pierce’s statements and testimony to fit your agenda.  Fact that you didn’t accurately convey in your brief to the Appeals Court-Mr. Pierce drew a beard on Gary’s newspaper photo in 1994 and “thought it was close enough” so he didn’t come forward then.  Never crossed your pea mind that a young looking mugshot of Steen from 6 years prior to Heidi’s disappearance was inappropriate?  You did mention that the photo of Steen was 6 years prior in your filing…makes one wonder why YOU didn’t take it upon yourself, seeing that you question the integrity of the lead investigator-Mr. Petriski-to find a photo closer to April 1994.  Can’t do that but would-Fact-sit in on an interview with a witness who tells you and Petriski what she knew happened to Heidi?!?!

 

Mr. Bivens was torn limb from limb on the stand…pleading the fifth about lying on an insurance form…yet the jury believed his “eyewitness” account???  Yeah!, he’s a real stand-up guy…coming forward AFTER the reward was offered and by pressure from his significant other.  Nothing to gain for testimony??...Yeah right.  Just like Mr. Baldasaro received no benefit.  Which is another lie.  May I refer you to the handwritten notes from the ADA’s, previously posted on this site, to the clear/concise explanation that Mr. Baldasaro was to be given probation in opposition to Florida’s Probation Department recommendation that he be jailed.

 

You think you are so smart and have loyalty from others in Oswego??  Just wait until reelection time when You are not endorsed because you followed orders about fighting Gary’s exoneration that resulted in the public getting the Truth!!  You are the one with egg on your face.  Well, not the only one…Judge Donnie Dodd should be sanctioned for his part and Mr. Rule Todd as well!!  Good Luck…though it seems in politics, constituents have to pick between the lesser of two evils instead of the most qualified.  When is election?  I won’t be voting for you.

 

I sleep on a soft pillow.  What about YOU?

Signed,

 

On To You

 

February 10/18

 

 


Deputy Curtis
The 745 time comes from the officer who reached the scene first. Whom was waved down by Stitson. What Curtis doesn't comprehend by his 745 testimony. Is he put himself on the scene at the exact time Bivens would be passing the store. Bivens left east 2nd street at 730. It's 16 minutes from point a to point b. Putting Bivens on scene at the same exact time 745/746 (This does not included stops n gos at all stop lights heading out of Oswego as he stated). Stitson tells you on scene time was 758, later changed to 755, again changed by Curtis at 745. Then you have Fabian whom left her home in Fulton N.Y. at 712 am. 22 minutes from there to where she spotted the van on 104/69 placing this van at that location by 734. Mr.Nevill also left his home at 730, it's 4 miles from his house to the corner of 104/69 putting the van again at that very spot Fabian says by 734. Way before Richard Thibodeau ever arrived at the store and cashed out at 742. So 2 witnesses place a speeding van at the same spot at the same time of 734, Curtis placed himself on scene with Stitson and Bivens. Then you have the young girl whom claims to have seen Richards van by Gary's home at 748. Leaving 6 minutes to travel at estimated 15 miles. Putting the speed of the van at 150 mph. Then there's Baldasaro who says they picked Heidi up by the check out time of 742, drove to Gary's and back to the store, by 745. Leaving 3 minutes to travel 30 miles. Putting the speed then of this van at a whooping 300 mph. Fact check it Greg. Every ounce of these times came straight from your filing. Every drop of this is your own filing. That you never fact checked or did an estimate for time travel. You have 2 witnesses spotting a van 8 minutes before your scheduled kidnapping. 1 witness that saw the kidnapping at the exact time your officer testified to being on the scene. The only one dead on with the time is MR.S cashing out at 741, 11 minutes exactly from point a to the store from which he traveled from. Cashing him out at exactly 741. He is the only one that's dead on. Then there's Sheriff Nellis whom states on scene time was 758. Which Sheriffs lying?
By Greg's filing this is the time line
734 Fabian spots a van
734 Nellis spots a van
741 Stitson arrives sees nothing
742 Richard kidnaps Heidi
745 Curtis on scene
745/746 Bivens passes the store says he witnessed the kidnapping
748 Richards vans seen at Gary's
Either way you see it. By your own filing Greg. It's all IMPOSSIBLE


February 9/18


 


Greg Oakes out right lied in his filing.
He writes the on scene time was 745 am. The actual first report for the on scene time by Sheriff Nellis was 758. It later changed to 755. But in Greg's filing he has on scene time as 745. Here's another kicker. Bivens left his house at 730 am per reports, hitting every stop light out of Oswego. It's 16 minutes from his address to dnw store which puts bivens on scene at 746. So Greg why not tell these great citizens how your officers on scene per your filing at the same exact time your eye witness and your witness Stitson was on scene. You can't. Because you can't. You'd think you'd readjust your entire botched lying fraudulent case. Here's the proof. All lies Greg. I pray you are disbarred for filing false information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Bohrer A Marine??
If you read any of Bohrer own Heidi triangles writings. He insists he was a former marine.

 January 1/18


Re: Death of Common Sense
Bohrer writes in his notes that were seized. Kiki, coke dealer. Kiki was a massive, larger than Bohrer drug dealer. Often running to none other than N.Y. city and back. His real names. Maximo Kiki Sanchez. Funny how he is arrested right after Heidi becomes a Ci and inbetween the time she vanishes. Highly dangerous, a criminal record longer than Oakes and Dodds lies. Its obvious Bohrer is linked to him, notes him in his Heidi Triangle book. But yet the Sheriff's play dumb on who he is. Maybe that's why Fulton PD brought him down in 93. So is this the man everyone seemed to fear? Including Heidi? Kiki is the only coke dealer listed in any notes, papers or documents anywhere. Its logical to lean towards YES it's quit possible. Seeing as the CI who did bring him down was also terrified of this man. Anyone hear of this fella before?

January 1/18



Kiki
Funny Bohrer indeed has this man's name in his paper work. Funny the man's a coke dealer that word pops Up a lot in this.

Jail term
OSWEGO — Maximo "KikT
Sanchez, 39, of 149 E. Cayuga St.,
—Qswego. was sentenced Monday in
County Court on charges of thirddegree
criminal sale of a controlled
substance and third-degree criminal
possession of a controlled
substance.
Sanchez was sentenced by Judge
John Elliou to a maximum of nine
years, minimum of three years in
Elmira State Correctional Facility.
He was also assessed a $155
surcharge. , • <
Sanchez was originally indicted
on 22 drug-related charges. According
to court documents, Sanchez
possessed and sold .87 grams of
cocaine for $80 while at his residence.
He also sold 1.07 grams of
cocaine on March 13 at his residence,
according to court
documents.
On Jan. 15 Sanchez sold 2.60
cocaine on Jan. 20, according tocourt
records. On Jan. 23 he allegedly
possessed 4.52 grams of
cocaine. _^ —
January 1/18
 

Today's Quote December 27/2017

'Tis not enough to help the feeble up, but to support them after.
William Shakespeare




Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Someone posted about NYS investigating the Thibodeau case.....NOT TRUE
December 27/17
 


Smithsonian report for evidence in Heidi's case



December 27/17



Yep, tourism is the answer over a 52 a week jobs !
December 27/17

 


Bone
Please post the report from the Smithsonian Department of Anthropology regarding the evidence for the Heidi Allen case.

Couple questions:

Did the FBI agent that testified for the defense, Christopher Allen, read this document out loud during Gary's trial? And what does "but there are no morphological details that suggest a human origin." mean?

Also, why didn't the Defense call in a cremation specialist or have any kind of expert in human body disintegration?

One simple question to the FBI agent, who gave a partial true answer, and there is the belief that Heidi (could have) was burned in an outside burn barrel/pit.

What did the inmate supposedly tell Gary...that teeth don't burn? Jurors, you believed the inmates testimony, so.....why weren't TEETH found or reported by the Smithsonian? **slapping forehead** That's right, the Thibodeau's sifted through the burnt material, removing only what was human bone but leaving the burnt bone material that was what they testified to...animal bones, specifically chicken (as testified). Just like they must have had plastic in the van when Heidi was taken to justify no DNA in Richard's van. Right Dodd....the "cleaning" of the van...that In Fact happened AFTER the April 9, 1994 complete forensic exam of the van. Dodd.........the jurors could make up theories with no evidence but they didn't have the higher thinking that because there was no evidence pointing to the DA's and Sheriff's theory being correct that, In Fact, it makes the theories INCORRECT?

HHmmmm, they must have had their man then even though nothing truthfully fits.? The timeline doesn't fit with Richards movements the morning of April 3, 1994. No DNA evidence fits with a violent struggle taking place in the van. Verifiable alibi witnesses don't fit with Richard and Gary being together on April 3, 1994-Gary's adult neighbors witnesses didn't even ID Richards van at Gary's on April 3, 1994. No teeth or any other positive human remains were on Gary's property, via negative indications from multiple cadaver dogs on Gary's property and the Smithsonian report. "everyone would agree that Heidi wouldn't leave the store unattended". Then why do some people believe the inmates when they testified that Gary and Richard took Heidi to near Gary's while she was working alone?

Come on jurors...if you had known about Dan Barney being listed as "probably suspect" or that Michael Bohrer had been interviewed by the FBI and OCSD was competent to get his criminal past in 1995, would that have tipped the scales for you to acquit because the DA did not prove anything "beyond a reasonable doubt".


Merry Christmas Gary and Richard and all your family. Praying for Justice and Peace and Repentance and Healing for All Involved.
                                                                                                                        December 24/17


“no morphological details” Basically that means there was nothing, ie. ash, particles, cells, DNA molecules, smell or spirit that was human in origin. The bit about burning the body in a stove was as reliable as the rest of

the snitches story.



Reply to 3 Amigos
I read back in 2014 that someone said that a woman ( worked as a law clerk I believe) caught two guys in lies at the store.

1. Deputy that got flagged down said that he had to go follow the van...but according to this story, NO ONE MENTIONED A VAN!!!

Is it true , I don't know, as I thought he stayed there and called it in and inspected the area etc.

Also Sue Rodems died of a heart attack....what caused it...unknown, unless you believe the BS in Fulton.
December 21/17

 

 

How Coincidental

Richard Thibodeau attorney, called the jail house snitches Agents. Said they were working for the dept. Funny one snitch McDonald arrives inside Mass Jail the same day as Richards arrest for Heidi and Garys May arrest for Mass Jail. How odd, May 25th, 1994. National missing kids day. How sick. Sick DA Office. Even sicker sheriff dept.

December 21/17

 

 

Huge Mistake by Sheriffs

Wednesday July 27, 1994. The Herald Journal released the snitches statements. This is the issue. How did the Sheriffs obtain on the 27th Baldasaro statement dated July 31, 1994. Sheriffs made a mistake. Baldasaro never signed until 4 days after the Herald aired his written statement? Huge set up Dodd? On July 23, 1994 Dodd calls the snitches a mannia from Heaven. Unless you have ESP, or can time travel in the future Dodd, on the 23nd, 27th, Baldasaro had not written any statement. Talk about a huge set up. Huge mistake by releasing Baldasaro statement 4 days early. Would leave anyone asking how the hell Dodd knew on the 22nd about Baldasaro statement when it wasn't yet signed. Heres the proof. Ill tell you how Dodd. You set Gary up. Did not on July 23 yet have Baldasaro as a witness. The more you compare dates the more Dodds story doesn't add up. Its obvious they set Gary up intentionally was in contact witn these snitches the entire time. On June 29, 94 they siezed Garys stove. How funny it is a month later. Dodds witnesses fell from the sky claiming Gart burned Heidi in a wood stove again Dodd did your ass time travel to know in a month God was gonna drop 2 witnesses on your lap that claim the same theory with the stove you have?? How funny you sieze the stove. Then a month later seem to have witnesses to back up your lies. Total set up. You sneaky sob.

 

 

 

December 21/17

 

 

Today's Quote December 20/2017

Money? How did I lose it? I never did lose it. I just never knew where it went.

Edith Piaf



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
The AG office must follow procedures and writing a letter ( if true) to inform Lisa about what is going to happen...law is slow moving.

I hope the person that posted.."I got a phone call from one of the guys towing a trailer that VanPatten called for the hit"....is telling the truth.

They will probably have a hotline you can call and not give your name. If you KNOW something and it's true please let them know. It's too late for them to do anything violent as it will open up more avenues.

Please step up and do the right thing.
December 20/17



3 Amigos...
Good question. Also, does anyone know which sheriff's deputy had his/her patrol car parked for years permanently just down the hill from the D&W for years in a private driveway on 104? I always thought this was very strange.
December 20/17



3 Amigos
When Heidi came up missing....
Curtis left the store to follow pursuit....correct?
(Maybe) he was leaving the scene with Heidi in the back seat. The van might had pulled in for business, seen "something" happening, and left. Curtis now leaves with Heidi.
Hummmm.
Anyone ever check out the cops cars for DNA.
Didn't Curtis get a new car shortly after that?
More questions!
December 19/17

 

 

State Attorney General's Office

OSWEGO, N.Y. -- "The state Attorney General's Office has begun investigating whether all evidence in the 1994 abduction of Heidi Allen in Oswego County was turned over to lawyers for the man convicted of kidnapping her.

The AG's Conviction Review Bureau filed papers this week in the Oswego County Clerk's office revealing the state prosecutors' involvement for the first time.

Assistant Attorney General Gail Heatherly, chief of the review bureau, wrote a letter last month to Thidobeau's lawyers and to prosecutors saying her office was involved "in the hope that the discovery provided and the investigation performed in this 20-year-old case is as complete as is humanly possible."

The documents include a request to local law enforcement agencies for any reports related to the case, and the police agencies' responses."

 

Whoppie Sh!t They wrote a letter asking the most corrupt county in the state to play fair.

December 18/17


Wondering!!
Doj, FBI, attorney General. When have you seen them ever in upstate NY help on any case other than Doyle's? They are wondering how to save the state millions in a law suit. Pretty sick they stand on the side lines. Do NOTHING but get involved in a case State Police could have handled on their own (Doyle). Garys case, they snub their noses to it. Both attorney general and FBI are a Waiste of tax payers money. Neither dept, has done shit. It does not matter what you've seen, heard or report, they've watched this case unfold, have done NOTHING to intervene. Lisa works for DOJ. Instead the FBI up there, fiddles with pathetic cases like Doyle, to do with a teen kid, not a homocide. Heidi is null n void to them. Along with Gary. Political powers do one thing. Cover the asses of other political powers. Attorney Generals a joke. And lied to the public. They NEVER investigated. It was a lie and a farce to look good in the public eye. FBI have had 23 years to also do their job. Only one who seems to know how to do their job is Lisa.
December 15-16/17



Gary Thibodeau.....The Death Of Common Sense
I have always wondered what Mr. Swenkowski was thinking when the verdict came back as GUILTY! He saw him...alone, watched him leave...alone and never saw a kidnapping or Gary while he was there. Now I wonder just what the hell the jury was thinking...if anything at all.

I have always wondered what Mr. Stinson is thinking about how some people may ask how did you NOT see anything? You stated you were there from approx. 7:38 to 7:55 and flagged down a cop. But you stated that you never saw anyone or any cars. I have always wondered.....WHY or HOW.

I have always wondered why Mr. Biven's testimony is all over the place. The time, description of the van, description of the kidnappers ( not at all fitting the two brothers physical apperance ), changing his mind on the van he saw in and out of court. And how could you not see that a girl struggling didn't need your help?

I always wondered why Oakes' MA story was proven false (in court) but nothing was ever done about it.

I always wondered hoe Dodd could have even taken them to court without ANY evidence or witness that puts them there.

I always wondered about the cash register time, money and testimony.

I always wondered why after Jen Westcott failed a poly about a taped phone call, then went back in and said she was told what happened to Heidi and mentioned a WHITE van at the house she said she never lived at and the OCSD did nothing. Also telling the cops.."after 20 years I still have to tell you there were 2 vans?

I always wondered how, why and when the OCSD decided to frame Gary T. Was it years later after they knew he was innocent and someone ( maybe a politician ) said to him we don't need a law suit ( just my opinion).

I always wondered why these were not means for more investigation: Jen Westcott stories, Deputy lying on the stand, evidence withheld,, Oakes telling Lisa P. that he didn't have very much confidence in INTEGRITY of the OCSD investigation and all the other things that makes people think...COVER UP!

I am still wondering if the FBI is coming to town, God knows they all gave enough lopsided info and failed to continue a still open case.

I wonder what the FBI, DOJ and the NYS Atty General's council is...well WONDERING!
 December 15-16/17




Ding Dong. You’re wrong….Oaks
Steen was “likely falsely boasting”. Based on what FACTS? Did he pass a lie detector? What about 3 cadaver dog indications near an area similarly described by his “boasting”? What about Bohrer? Was he given a test, too? And it didn’t concern you that he knew and had so much information from around the time of the disappearance? He certainly didn’t get it from social media and I highly doubt the documents he DID have were available to the public even BEFORE Gary’s trial.
Here, Oaks, is a high five to start you on your way to Investigation 101.
December 13/17
 


Ozwego County
The cops – lawyers – doctors – politicians in Ozwego County have abused – raped - and killed more women in this county then anybody would ever imagine. Gary was lucky he only got jail.
December 12/17

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 Amigos
Years back. A man named Sirgibbs sat in the court room. Watching Garys case unfold. He posted some pretty intelligent posts. He tells you. There are 3 connections that OCSD didnt want you to link together. That 3 would go to the dirty cop cokers house. That 2 knew, 2 really KNEW, he writes.
Funny how Vanpatten, Curtis, Petrowski hang at Curtis house over the years. Dirty cop cokers house must be Curtis, the 2 who Knew, really KNEW was petrowski and Vanpatten. Can it be proven. Yes. It can be proven by eye witnesses.
Matter of fact. Curtis was petrowski mentor lol per say.
So you have the lead investigator stealing texts messages between 2 persons of interest. Makes complete sense now. Why this entire case has gone in the direction it has.
The officer whom dropped the cards, buddies to lead investigator now, also friends to same cop whom exposed Heidi and Curtis just happened to be driving by minutes after Heidi disappeared.
You 3 corrupt amigos belong in prison.
                                                                                                                       December 8/17


ocsd and da corruption
sue boullard knew everything that was going on with the drug dealing, extorsion, embezeling and sexual harassment in the district attorneys office and sheriff’s department.She wasn’t afraid to call them on it and she ended up in the river at the same spot where they dumped Carol wood. Heidi was on the inside working with that slime and she just vanishes. Several women got too close to that bunch and ended up dead unexpectedly. A lot of the dirty money was being laundered through columbia savings and loan and fulton savings and probably still is.
                                                                                                                       December 8/17



Special Deputies
Beside the drug trade ands rasping women motorists it is a wonder they found any time to protect and serve.You know that is why the Sheriff and the DA are so dead set against a new trial for Gary. They don’t want the truth and the OCSDs involvement in Heidis disappearance to come out in the light of day. Are you out of your ever lovin? No but you sure as hell are Todd.
                                                                                                                       December 7/17




Re: sleezy lawyers
The same ones always seemed to be there, the Hawthornes, Eby, Cieszeski and Todd. Not one real lawyer in the bunch.
                                                                                                                       December 7/17



Sexual Blackmail In Oswego County
In the 90s RT 57 South of Fulton was prime hunting for the Fulton Cops and the County Sheriffs.
Women getting out of work at Miller and Owens were prime targets of these sexual predators. Some of them recorded the harassment by officers and deputies and confronted District Attorney James Grose. Grose smashed the recorder in front of them and threatened them should they ever bring up that subject again.
It didn’t end there. Women who didn’t put out were given tickets for loud mufflers, tail lights out or doing 37 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. Then there was a host of sleezy lawyers waiting to represent them for you guessed it sex.
                                                                                                                       December 6/17



Reply Moe Todd
Laugh away. Every one I know is laughing at them. The public knows the truth, no matter how much they lie. Facts are facts. No matter the lies. It can never change that fact.
                                                                                                                       December 6/17


Fact!!!
I know for a fact. One deputy followed the bartender from Williamstown home one night after she closed up the bar. Yes the choice was sex or dwi. She is very vocal about this incident. Its called sexual harrassement, entrapment, the list goes on. It started with oral sex on the road. He then followed her back to her place. Mean while he was on duty and we tax payers are paying for this nasty shit. Ill get his name but to the officer whom did this. Her intials are TM, and Im certain you are well aware of who you are...Oakes will deny...deny...deny..everyones a liar but OCSD, DA office. Instead of him seeing hes surrounded by pigs, literally. He thinks hes surrounded by heros. He couldn't be any dumber.
                                                                                                                       December 6/17



Special Deputies
One of the biggest jokes in Oz was the daughter Jack Obey fathered in lieu of a speeding ticket. Its not just the nineties. that sh!t goes on every day in this county by every law enforcement agency
                                                                                                                       December 6/17


 


Re: Gosek Recording
You people on here are a joke. You think those dumb Polacks that elected thos to Goseks care about there sex crimes. If the old man ran for mayor again he would get elected. Oswego is just as f**ked up as they are. The kid is a teacher. What a perfect person to be involved with children.
                                                                                                                       December 5/17


Re: Moe Todds Special Deputies
Hope the women who were taken advantage of by these disgusting men had the where-with-all to get STD tested after their encounter. Wonder if their wife/girlfriend had any idea just how sickening their loved one was or is De Nile the River in Egypt?
CDC, was there an epidemic of oral Herpes in Oswego during the time period of these allegations?
“Smear campaign by the Defense”. LOL, Mr. Oakes. Appears your buddies smeared……before any of the outside world even knew!! ** Dang, I just thought they were incompetent at their jobs. Must reconsider in light of the new accusation.** But yet these are some of the a&$holes that are trusted by some in the community?!?! I wonder though, how adept are some people at being two-faced?
I apologize. I know I shouldn’t laugh at the…..expense of others.
                                                                                                                       December 5/17
 


Special Deputies And Special Judges.
My neighbor had her kids taken by DSS. Two weeks later she got them back. Her words “ all I had to do was blow the family court judge”.
                                                                                                                       December 5/17

ME TOO
The judges and attorneys have been preying on the women and young boys of this county for half a century. It is time for them to speak out.
                                                                                                                       December 5/17

 

 



Moe Todds Special Deputies
In the early Nineties Under Sheriff Moe Todd gave dash mount strobe lights to ADA Don Dodd and ADA Don Todd so they could make citizens arrests. How it worked was they would follow women home from local bars and pull them over for suspicion of drunk driving. Some got a stiff warning others had to service the stiff end of the law.


                                                                                                                       December 4/17
Just when you think you have heard it all.
 



State Police Arrest Reports 07/06/2008

Louis E. Sorendo, 51, of 21 Ellen St., Oswego
On 07/06/08, Louis E. Sorendo, age 51, of 21 Ellen St., Oswego, NY, was arrested by the New York State Police ââ‚Âââ‚Å“ Syracuse for Unlawful Possession of Marijuana after being stopped for a seat belt violation at the Verona interchange (exit # 33) of the Thruway.
Mr. Sorendo was released to appear in the Town of Verona court.
                                                                                                                       December 4/17

 


Shower Room Banter

Federal inmate #1: Hey Leroy, remember that child molester Gosek that came through here back in 2006? He was some of the best lovin I had on the inside but he was always crying so I had to put a bag over his head.

Federal inmate 2: Yeah Bubba, he was ok but I would rather do his son. I’d like to throw a flag over his little a$$ and do him for god and country.

Hinder Grinder
                                                                                                                    December 2/17
 


Bobby Baldasaro
Has anyone besides Dodd seen the notes about Bobby?

HHmmm. A report from Florida probation says they recommend that his probation be revoked and "2 years community control for closer supervision". Notes show that a governors warrant was issued for him. They were going to hold him up in MA so he can testify in NY "then we can justify putting him back on probation". What? He got probation for testifying in NY.

Damn, and I thought it was testified to that neither inmate received any benefit for testifying.?!

It's all in black and white...Bobby did.


 



                                                                                                                    November 27/17

 


Grab your ankles Oswego....
If everyone thinks they don't have any X-mas $$$ leftover now once paying that f'n disastrous water/sewer bill then hang on tight...it's going up to $315/qtr. come February so you really won't have any f'n $$$ remaining to do anything with...including eating! Oh, and BTW...it wasn't a screwdriver that killed the old man on Mitchell St. many years ago....it was a f'n icepick & the local police have made it known! HMMM!!!
                                                                                                                    November 27/17


Bivens and criminal witnesses
LOL...."disinterested witnesses" we found credible? Like who?

Bivens was obviously lying about something....many different police statements, pleading the 5th during trial about the false insurance claim form.

Ms. Montgomery...

Mr. Neville Jr....

The Cowen's knowing Bivens....

The store owner, "family friend", finding the CI card but testifying to not "warning" Heidi's family.....

That Sturtz woman "we kept it a secret" that Heidi was IN FACT a CI....

Please post the documents about Baldasaro getting a reduced sentence on recommendation for his NY testimony.

Deputy Wheeler lying under oath. Dodd refusing to give "the entire" OCSD case file as per repeated arguments against turning over documents and "finding" Heidi case evidence "in the garage" in the 11th hour.

BUT....this was a good arrest, good conviction. LMAO Todd, Dodd, Oakes.....you guys can't be that ignorant!?? You guys are sick mother___ that have turned a missing young woman from your community into a trivial, cya occurrence.

Sad that Heidi's own loving sister can't comprehend what is written in black and white. I would not rest, even after all these years, if Heidi was my sister, daughter, close cousin, close friend. Pray that more people speak the truth for Justice for Heidi and Gary....Shame on All You Liars/Deceivers.

Heidi was/is important even if one has given up hope for finding the Truth!!

Have you seen Bivens' Facebook page? Some kind of Christian to violate one of God's Laws...."Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". Praise God that those who violate HIS laws will be properly Judged and Punished. Eternity is a long time, if you're a believer.
                                                                                                                    November 27/17


 

 

 

Today's Quote November 26/2017

Glory, built on selfish principles, is shame and guilt.
William Cowper



This Bivens???
This Bivens? Are you talking this Bivens. Are you identifying the DA main witness as a past prime suspect in the odd death of an old man? If so whats this old mans name? Easy way to find that out. Unless of course the Sheriffs disposed of his past crimes, I wouldnt doubt in exchange for his testimony?? One could make that assumption. If so, Dodds more Devil than the real devil. Sick....this entire case the more you stop and smell the roses, you notice those gorgeous roses smell like shit. The stench is coming from OCSD and the DA Office.
How would one confirm all those things?? Anyone have any proof of the Bivens claims posted on here?
                                                                                                                    November 26/17
 


Bivens?
Is the Bivens referenced in the Heidi Allen story the same Bivens that drove taxi for Horan's in the 80s? If so he has quite a shady reputation to start with. He was arrested for false imprisonment of a teenage girl in the back seat of his cab, he refused to let her out until she agreed to have sex with him! He also robbed an old lady on rt 48,Mrs Cahill on 3 seperate occasions and was a suspect in the suspicious death of an old man on Mitchell St who was found dead at the bottom of his stairs with a screwdriver through his skull. The same police investigating the Heidi Allen case determined that death to be accidental. lol
                                                                                                                    November 25/17

 

 

 


Reply to Bivens
I've read on Bivens also before but its the first time I've ever really sat down and compared his stories and his multitude of changed statements, his confusing descriptions and changes he added to the van, he even changed the vans location at the store, from between the pumps to the outside of the pumps. Bivens, is certified, in my opinion, up to no good. I never knew he gave the make and model of the vehicle. Not every ones from the Oswego area. So obtaining transcripts arent easy for outsiders. Ty for sharing that. To me Bivens pleading the 5th, tells me a lot. Seems a pretty good ammount of Oakes side uses the 5th like it means nothing. To me the 5th typically, tells anyone, besides numb nuts Oakes. They've got something to hide. You are only to use that line if it will incriminate yourself. By using the 5th, to me, they did just that. Bivens is a con, simple as that.
                                                                                                                    November 23/17


     
 

 

 

 

 

Okay, this will clear up all the confusion Mr. Bivens created with his lies.

Say hello to Mr. Christopher Bivens, the DA eye witness. This photo tell anyone anything?

                                                                                                                    November 22/17

Bivens

I had a C 10 pickup back in the 70s and always thought the vans were C 10 too. I just never cared or looked that close to see that the "C" was actually a "G". Now reading his statement I see a lot more than has been talked about before. H said he recognized the van from the rust over the wheels and the bumper that hung down and a trailer hitch. He claimed he didnt stop because he didnt want to get involved.

 

Driving down a major highway in slush and snow he sees a woman struggling with a man and he still is observant enough to note rust, a crooked bumper and a trailer hitch yet the description of the man did not fit either of the Thibodeau brothers and the pictures of the van below show very little rust over the wheels.

 

A more likely story would be he observed a woman and a man in what he thought might be a domestic dispute and just kept going. Later he learned of the missing store clerk and began to feel bad about not stopping so he called the OCSD. Even though his original description of the van did not fit the Thibodeaus or there van the sherrifs show him a picture of Richards van an he then decided that was the one.

                                                                                                                    November 22/17



Bivens' Testimony C-10 Van
The fact it may have been a light blue C-10 van was given in Bivens' testimony. It's not that hard to find, guys.



                                                                                                                       November 21/17


Richard's van
Here's how these g, c things work for Chevy. There is no such thing as a c10 van. Ever. C10 is a pickup truck. GM had letter names for their body styles.
C - 2 wheel drive pickup
K - 4 wheel drive
G - van
etc.
The 10 means 1/2 ton, 20 3/4 ton, 30 1 ton. Bohrer drove a 1976, G20 3/4 ton.
                                                                                                                       November 21/17


C10 van huh...
How the hell would you know the van they are looking for is a c10 Chevy van? Maybe you need a knock on your door. No where does it say ever Bohrer had a Chevy c10. But your dead on. That's a fact you shouldn't and wouldn't know. Its not mentioned or documented anywhere.

                                                                                                                       November 19/20/17

C10 huh...
Richard's vans a 1976, which would make it a G10, G20, G30 series. Here are the 1976 specs from Chevy for the 1976 year. So no the c10 series was never, not once listed anywhere in any one of the witnesses statements, court documents, records. Not one person ever described the van as a white or blue c10-CHEVY. Bivens stated ,"I THINK it was a Chevy, van. FROM 1979-1986." The MAKE AND MODEL is not listed anywhere, as a definite . Not even in Bivens statements. So the c10 Is not a fact and isn't relevant. Because a 1976, is a G SERIES MODEL. All that's ever said is they witnessed a white, off white or blue van. Where you came up with a c10 is beyond me.
      
   

 

                                                                                                                    November 19/20/17

 


Murtaugh comments:
As a matter of fact I do on my way to new haven now had a nice road trip to fernwood too wink emoticon
Posted on Judge to prosecutor in Heidi Allen case: You missed chance to respond to wrongful conviction claim
9/18/2014 9:42 AM

Omg please no mistake we (3 of us) picked up two vans at gt house ... Me roger & a 3rd person picked up a dift van in fern wood I can't tell you where it was but I'm sure I can drive right to there like I did last week going to Gary's house ( that I had only been to twice before in the 90's
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:25 PM

It was a red house is all we can remember
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:17 PM



I'm sorry I don't I'd just be guessing but one of my helpers just asked me if I remember going to fern wood to get a white van at 1st didn't remember but after talking a bit I do now
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:08 PM

No in fern wood ( I think that's how you spell it
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 11:05 PM

Omg I don't know I just remember him coming to me wanting me to pick one up for him .. Never gave it much thought till tonight talking it over with my staff
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 10:55 PM

You all ready for this one ????? I do remember going with RB to fern wood to pick up a white van that he had to junk back around same time of the ha deal
Posted on Ground search for 1994 kidnapping victim Heidi Allen ends; no evidence turned up
9/14/2014 10:52 PM

Tina Bennett Fighting For Fathers Rights
How much time do you think she will spend on your case when she devotes half of her TV commercial to taking shots at her ex husband and his family.
                                                                                                                    November 19/20/17

 


MURTAUGH'S TWEET
Richard murtaugh @rmroutlaw · Jan 14

#heidiallen after 20 plus years this is the best they can come up with? & it all started from towing a van that was never at Gary's .. Joke

                                                                                                                    November 19/20/17



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Swenkowski, Richard, Jenn Westcott, Bivens, Stinson, OCSD, DAs...and of course Gary:

Why didn't Swenkowski's testimony about seeing RT leave the store alone carry any weight?
RT walked out and HA was in the store when he left
Stinson walked in and NO HEIDI????? So what happened after Senkowski and RT left? What exact time was Bivens there? His story is confusing...why? Simple question and a simple answer...cover up?
Bivens saw the kidnapping, RT, Swenkowski, Stinson were there a little before it happened, did anyone see another person after they left?
Caught in so many lies in still an open case, why wasn't her stories followed up?
I simply don't believe Jenn Westcott......Oakes. Why not? You offered her immunity, must have believed it then,
and after she failed a poly and then said in a second meeting that she was told about what happened to HA, said "they brought her in a WHITE VAN"...you're right Mr. Oakes you shouldn't believe her. But part of LE is to pick apart lies and to follow up if you think it may lead somewhere. You guys did nothing of the sort. WHY NOT???

Everyone but you guys think it was a good start.
What PROOF did you have that GT was NOT home at the time of the crime. Did you check for foot prints in the snow at his house? Anyone see him at the store...NOPE. But you Dodd convinced a jury that he was there even if the description didn't fit the brothers.

Did you use a line up before the case? Never heard that you did. Is that standard police work in an investigation or is it a way to cover up and convict an innocent man? No line up ...hmmmm.

Why was your story about RT going to MA with HA in the trunk, destroyed in court by two deputies? Is that a lie or just another run around the outside and hope for the best. And you searched the car and found nothing.
Were Stinson, Bivens and Swenkowski given polygraphs?


If it happened T 7:42 am and Bivens saw it then Swenkowski, Stinson should have seen it too because RT left and Swenkowski said he waited for him to back out as he packed his cigarettes in his car.

With all these things pointing to innocent of the brothers, why didn't you look at other people? Did you have a hunch at who they may be? Did you ask neighbors of MB, Steen and Roger if they saw them leave early in the morning? Roger's wife said he did. There's a start and you again failed in your investigation....intentionally?

Lies for deputies on the stand, Jenn W. telling you what you needed to hear, witnesses did not id RT's van, just the opposite, they said (as your star witness Bivens said at first) that it wasn't RT's van.

Have you read any of the comments in the paper or on the web as we have uncovered a lot of loose ends in this case?

Do you guys sleep well at night, when the demons come into your mind. Wouldn't you like to have it stop? What an awful feeling, night after night and now you have the FBI to worry about and they are very serious people.


First one to give states evidence walks and all others will be put in prison!

PLEASE FBI INVESTIGATE THIS EVENT, THE PEOPLE NEED YOU!
                                                                                                                    November 19/20/17




Van Picture
The van in the picture is a Ford Econoline not a Chevy C-10. Don’t know if that C-10 description is relevant or not; just pointing out a fact
                                                                                                                            November 18/17


Fernwood Feed Mill Van
The picture is a little fuzzy, but the Fernwood Feed Mill van looks to be a darker blue than the van at Manwaring and Route 3. Also, the rear side windows are different (the lighter blue van has circular windows). It would be worth a shot for John O'Brien (who switched careers and is now an investigator with Peebles) to look into the history of this van. We all know Richard's van should have been returned to him a long time ago.

                                                                                                                            November 18/17



Oakes
Sounds like Greg Aka the DA, that there's some big boys knocking on doors. It's not your buddies the Sheriffs. Sounds like your screwed. Did you truly think your Sheriffs had full jurisdiction. Not when it comes to corrupt politicians. It's not the Sheriffs making their rounds. It's officers with integrity.
                                                                                                                            November 18/17
 

 



D&W store front
How in the heck could Richard have fit his van between the pump and Mr. Swenzkowki’s car to park in front of him if Mr. Swenzkowski arrived first? OR was Richard IN FACT telling the truth about parking BEHIND Mr. Swenzkowski per his statements?!! Hmmm, believe a witness who was not given a lie detector test, that we know of, or believe someone who WE KNOW passed a test?!
                                                                                                                            November 17/17

 


Lisa P. Email
https://mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=Lisa_Peebles@fd.org

                                                                                                                            November 17/17



People of OZ
(315) 701-0080 Lisa Peebles. Feel free to call her office.

                                                                                                                            November 17/17


Gary the Innocent Video utube
https://youtu.be/ymo4sNfb4mA

 



Please share this, it's Gary's song in a video.
Law, won't you let that free man go... Twenty years of himself on a sheriff's shelf, He's been murdered one day at a time. The key that she's held, still she lives with herself -- The truth lies behind those cold blue eyes. The call she made shook up decades Of giving up on hope and life A murderer stands next to me, next to you As we wait in the grocery line. Law, won't you let that free man go. Law, won't you let that free man go. Way down in Oswego County Somebody done collected his bounty. Law, won't you let that free man go. His case was sealed from an inside deal He was sleeping away in his cell. They buried his sisters, mother, and wife, Insisting a personal hell. Will the truth be told from the ones who know Or the ones who have brushed it away. Pry back the boards and show us all toward The free man walking away.Law, won't you let that free man go. Law, won't you let that free man go. Free of guilt but still in prison, Hope of truth this mornin' risen. Law, won't you let that free man go. Law, won't you let that free man go. Law, won't you let that free man go. Free that man that's been forsaken Give him back the life we've taken. Law, won't you let that free man go.
                                                                                                                            November 17/17



FBI
No one knows what to believe. The FBI has had 4 years to help this case. To bring charges against them. Instead they are focused on Doyle. If Gary dies. I'm sure the suspects are praying to God he does. They will walk Scott free. Totally disgusting. Oakes claims to be a man of God, Greg will be one of the ones he says Go away. I do not know you. He is nothing more than a criminal for obstructing justice.
                                                                                                                            November 17/17


Curious
Jennifer Wescott was given immunity from prosecution for lying on her police statements....Would all deals be off if the Feds charge her with perjury for lying under oath, in a Court of Law?
                                                                                                                            November 17/17



Keystone Pipeline Leaks 5,000 Barrels Of Oil In South Dakota, TransCanada Says
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a0dff56e4b0dd63b1a94ade?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

                                                                                                                            November 17/17

 



Old Chevy C-10 Light blue van with dark blue doors on Route 3
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013
There's a light blue Chevy C-10 van on State Route 3 in between Pulaski and Mexico - with dark blue doors - parked on a side lawn of a property in between Pulaski and Mexico on State Route 3 van before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County. . You can easily see it from the road. It's on the left-hand side if you're heading west (toward Mexico). It looks to be around the same year as RT's, but more closely matches the description of some witnesses. It would be interesting to see who the property owner is or who owned the before them. Not too many of them that look similar to RT's around, especially in Oswego County.
I didn't get a picture driving by, but it is on Google Maps - taken Oct. 2013

                                                                                                                            November 16/17
 



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To re to me.....

If someone didn't call in for a sandwich then they got it just before HA was taken. HAD to be after 7:42 am after Richard was seen leaving ALONE!!! ( last customer but not the last one to see her alive)

Can anyone find a statement from anyone, including the OCSD that doesn't seem suspicious or looks like a lie?
Does anyone really think the FBI believes any of this child like lies and a Person there at the time of crime but didn't see anything. If Swenkowski was there and saw Richard, then the 7:42 am time is correct...has to be.

Did the person who said he got a call that said "VanPatten ordered the hit" ever tell that to anyone on this case?

VanPatten said there was going to be a big bust and put a "girl" to be used into it. Were there any other female CIs at this time? Why would a cop shoot his mouth off about a bust..THAT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!?????

Heidi was a CI and Oakes and any other LE, DA, lawyer that says she wasn't is a liar. But why lie? To cover up a unlawful arrest, sale of coke by "others", help those that took her get away with it? The only reason you got away with HA NOT being a CI is because Judge King made sure of it. Signed card, code name, picture, other cops testifying to it...but no she wasn't a CI.

I don't know how you got away with it but I will tell you that if anyone ever did that to me, they better move far away before I get out...this is disgusting and it doesn't even seem to bother you at all. But maybe the FBI can get states evidence if they investigate this joke of an investigation. DOES IT BOTHER YOU GUYS THAT A VERY IMPORTANT MAN WAS IN THE 2014 COURT ROOM AND WHAT HE SAID? Start Sweating.
                                                                                                                            November 16/17
 


Lisa Peebles
Would anyone know her direct email or if she has appointments available where Oz people can go to speak to her?
                                                                                                                            November 16/17



Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To re to me.....

If someone didn't call in for a sandwich then they got it just before HA was taken. HAD to be after 7:42 am after Richard was seen leaving ALONE!!! ( last customer but not the last one to see her alive)

Can anyone find a statement from anyone, including the OCSD that doesn't seem suspicious or looks like a lie?
Does anyone really think the FBI believes any of this child like lies and a Person there at the time of crime but didn't see anything. If Swenkowski was there and saw Richard, then the 7:42 am time is correct...has to be.

Did the person who said he got a call that said "VanPatten ordered the hit" ever tell that to anyone on this case?

VanPatten said there was going to be a big bust and put a "girl" to be used into it. Were there any other female CIs at this time? Why would a cop shoot his mouth off about a bust..THAT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!?????

Heidi was a CI and Oakes and any other LE, DA, lawyer that says she wasn't is a liar. But why lie? To cover up a unlawful arrest, sale of coke by "others", help those that took her get away with it? The only reason you got away with HA NOT being a CI is because Judge King made sure of it. Signed card, code name, picture, other cops testifying to it...but no she wasn't a CI.

I don't know how you got away with it but I will tell you that if anyone ever did that to me, they better move far away before I get out...this is disgusting and it doesn't even seem to bother you at all. But maybe the FBI can get states evidence if they investigate this joke of an investigation. DOES IT BOTHER YOU GUYS THAT A VERY IMPORTANT MAN WAS IN THE 2014 COURT ROOM AND WHAT HE SAID? Start Sweating.
                                                                                                                            November 16/17
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today's Quote November 15/2017

Sometime in the future - 25, 50, 75 years hence -

what will the situation be like then? By that time the Chinese will have the capability of delivery too.
Curtis LeMay



Of Course!!
Yes it does make the Thibodeaus innocent.
Leo Richardson and his brother were once arrested for holding a girl against her will. Leo resigned from his position, his brother was found not guilty. SHERIFF TODD said when asked about why Leos brother still had his job at the Oswego Jail, that "he was found NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers. There fore by law he is innocent." And would be keeping his position. I guess that belief to Todd is upheld if AND ONLY IF your a political or county employee. Because last I knew. Richard was found not guilty. Yet, Todd, still holds on to, NOT- things they missed but things they covered up. Because and only because they all broke the law to gain this conviction. Now it's protect their own asses, from criminal racketeering and RICO charges. So the more they lie, the better off they think they are. Problem is, back then, social media was not as popular and easy to access as it is now. Now a days being able to have easy access and to see all of the information. It's easy to see, that Richard and Gary were both railroaded, intentionally. Goes back to what Bohrer said,"When you have more questioms than you do answers your problems from within."
Sheriffs give the Thibodeau man back his van. It is not evidence, when it has been cleared by FBI, NOT ONCE, TWICE. The van doesn't even match the tire tracks seen in this photo. Notice the officer bent over. Compare the location of the van to the one given on Bivens map. Not the same location. Their own evidence doesn't match the van you stole from Richard. Cough it up theifs.
Must be Sheriffs don't listen to anyone. Even Wescott told you. "I can't believe after 20 years I have to tell you there is another van." Oz Sheriff dept, simply is sending tax payers on a wild lying goose chase. They have for over 23 years.

                                                                                                                            November 15/17




Re: Gary Thibodeau.....Death of Common Sense
I don’t necessarily think the person the sandwich was made for “called” the order in. Anyhow, it is a FACT that Mrs. Duell AND Susan Allen testified that Heidi was scheduled to work on April 3, 1994. Note, also, that Mrs. Duell testified that the employee schedule was located on the bulletin board behind the counter? Certainly was not a “last minute filling-in” for the other clerk as some people make it sound. Look at the inside pictures of the D&W and one can clearly see that all a customer had to do was look and see the schedule for themselves. (Bohrer proclaims to be a regular but, conveniently, Mrs. Duell testified at the Hearing that she didn’t recognize him. NOO Duh when one sees the person 20+ years later and not shown a picture from the correct time period. Right, Pietroski?

Interesting enough, Mrs. Granger says in her statement that Mr. Stinson told her that he knew the clerk was Heidi. Mrs. Granger questioned “How did he know it was Heidi” if he didn’t see who the clerk was. Also, Mr. Stinson told her, via her statement, that he went outside to look for the clerk but Mrs. Granger didn’t see footprints around the building. Both of Mrs. Granger’s statements (April 3, 1994 and July 14, 1994) are available at the Oswego County Clerk’s Office or they can be posted here.

Also ask oneself this, if Heidi was kidnapped after making the sandwich 1-Where is the register transaction for the sandwich? 2-Brett should have been able to identify the customer that bought it from photos the police should have taken because “every customer was a potential suspect” or from the customer, themself? 3-Wouldn’t Heidi have put the meat back ASAP after the ham sandwich was made? 4-Bohrer says in his notes that Heidi made his sandwiches good….what kind? Did LE ever think of asking him that? Probably not. 5-What time did Brett REALLY leave the store?

Dodd, I have a main question for you….How can you effectively, unbiasedly, truthfully Judge another prosecutor or defender knowing the dastardly, underhanded, unethical games you played in your ADA/DA tenure? You, sir (and I don’t mean respectfully), should be number one behind bars. Interesting on some of your cross of Defense witnesses and the deputies, it sounded like you were on the defense….we know there are tire marks (that don’t match Richard’s van) but do you know when they were made….do you know the condition of the van on blah day or blah day….sometimes family, friends and loved ones don’t know someone like they think….Where are YOUR FACTS and PROOF that Gary was doing something other than what he and his alibi witness testified to? Mrs. Rain is not seeking another term…may behoove Oakes to follow suite. Get someone with integrity and ethics to prosecute on behalf of “The People”!!
                                                                                                                            November 15/17


Fools!!
J-Oakes & Sheriffs soon to look like further fools. Lie detector tests and results in the works for Lisa witnesses. When they pass, it'll infuriate the majority. Good luck Oakes. You will need it. New show coming this ones moving fast to save Gary. When results hit. Hope Oakes goes n buries his head in the sand. He deserves, another hard slap.
                                                                                                                            November 15/17

 


Time stood still for Heidi Allen
From the article, "Time Stands Still for Heidi": Later, while detectives combed the convenience store and surrounding fields,DUELL WOULD NOTICE THAT THE CLOCK WAS STILL ONE HOUR BEHIND. TIME HAD STOPPED FOR HEIDI.


From the article, " Emotional Testimony Offered" : The cash register detail tape was marked as evidence; Duell made not on a copy of it describing what the codes mean and what each transaction had entailed. She and Curtis had also checked the accuracy of the cash register's clock which HEIDI HAD JUST SET THAT MORNING TO DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME.



                                                                                                                            November 15/17

 

 

Mrs. Duell testified about the register tape, items purchased and time...??
It strikes me as odd that "The time had to be entered into the memory of the cash register. (Tr. 1488)."

Could it be possible that the register tape was...manipulated when the deputy went back on August 11, 1994 to get the register tape from April 2, 1994? Mrs. Duell's OCSD file was tampered with on August 12, 1994.

 

 



FACT!!!
Sorry people….those who don’t believe Richard Thibodeau even though he passed a lie detector test given by the Oswego County Sheriff’s. **No disrespect, you really think he could fool a lie detector test? He was the cooperative one…agreeing to the search of his van and giving DNA samples, etc I’d say he was one heck of a confident person that they wouldn’t find anything….because….he didn’t kidnap Heidi, he didn’t help to kidnap Heidi!!**

It Is a fact that he told law enforcement twice, on April 3, 1994 and April 9, 1994 that he paid with 4 $1 bills. In my math book, the cash register should have said one dollar less had Richard actually made that transaction at that time.

BS-“good arrest, good conviction”. Dodd’s theory is they acted together. Did you even read Richard’s statement, Todd? Probably not with your “limited involvement” in the investigation. The burning and burying on Gary’s property didn’t work out for you. The rolled item taken into the woods didn’t work out for you.
                                                                                                                            November 14/17


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
Re: Another Unusual Reply

I posted that on Syracuse.com a while back and thought about MB and maybe he called to order a sandwhich
to see who was there. Who orders a sandwich at 6am? Did Bret hear the phone ring? Was the sandwich for herself? They missed a lot didn't they.

Another thing that bothered me was Stinson said Heidi was setting the cash register to the wall clock and it was distorted. I've never been in there in 1994 so I didn't know if there was a clock on the wall. But I did see a clock over the counter but she couldn't see it from the cash register...so I was wondering about that also with the other 22k other things in this case.

Funny how many "leads" we the readers have found. Spacecube on Syr.com is a great source, she/he has read the trial transcript and really knows a lot.

Also to the person that posted about Richard taking HA back to the store and the snitches said she wasn't there, wouldn't that make them innocent? But they lied because Swenkowski and Richard were there at the same time and both saw her...BUT STINSON DIDN"T???? Still bothers the hell out of me but I am not accusing him of any crime...just can't get past it.

You have info please post and keep it private if you are scared, or send it to Lisa P. Please, it's been to far gone with this case and the "FACTS".

We must hope for an FBI investigation and I think there may be one as that GUY in court in 2014...who was he, why was he there and what do they know or suspect. Hope there is an H-BOMB coming to Oswego County.
                                                                                                                            November 14/17


Police Blotter
On 11/9/17 at 9:30 p.m., Roger L. Breckenridge, 49, of 410 W. Embargo St., Rome, was arrested based on a Bench Warrant issued out of Oswego County Court.
Mr. Breckenridge was remanded to the OCJ to await Oswego County Court in session.
                                                                                                                            November 14/17

 

 

Another Unusual fact
We know Bohrer would have Heidi make him sandwiches. That is a fact in this. What is it Stitson describes seeing left in the deli area?? Meat on the slicer. What is it. Heidi was doing inside the store the very moment she was taken? Where was she really standing? Was her back at any point to either entrance? Possibility she never saw it coming. Did someone order a sandwich to distract her? Lots of questions. Most employees do not leave a slab of meat on the slicer. Its typically put back where it can stay cool. It's logical to believe. Someone came in, asking for asandwich.
Here's the proof
If someone distracted Heidi, by the slicer in these photos. In order to operate the slicer. She would have her back to the entrance. Notice the entrance right behind where she would have been located. Where and when is there ever fresh meat left, untouched on any slicer? In April 3, 1994 there was. Was she interrupted in the middle of slicing meat for a Sandwhich? Or was she standing directly in front by the cash register. In both positions, the entrance is behind her.


 

 

                                                                                                                            November 13/17


 


FOR ME, REMOVING THE MONEY FROM THE CRIME SCENE RAISES ALL KINDS OF RED FLAGS.

 

 


Where Is Heidi …. Follow The Money
I don’t know if this has been addressed here or not but why, in the middle of suspected crime scene, did the Sheriffs investigators let the owner of the store take the money from the cash register? The store opened at what 5:00 AM and Heidi goes missing around 7:30? So in 1994 there could have been what $150 - $200 to open and in the we hours of Easter Sunday morning they may have sold another $150 - $200 worth of gas, cigs and newspapers? What possible excuse could there have been for taking possible evidence from a suspected crime scene without it having been tagged, bagged or fingerprinted? I want to here Maurice “are you out of your ever lovin” explain that one.
                                                                                                                            November 12/17


Usual Facts lol

 


Does anyone find it unusual if you were to take out Richard or Gary Thibodeau. The distraction. Cross off all lies, or anywhere their names come up. Exclude them as suspects. What is left. Unusual facts.
Fact -Bohrer ran down the road screaming on the phone, to the sheriff's. "I know what happened to Heidi. Call Bobby Wheeler." Connection 1, Bobby Wheeler being known and requested by Michael Bohrer. Funny how Bohrer knew Robert Wheeler by his nickname.
Fact - it is documented in the Sheriffs own writing. Gram Breckenridge had made a comment," That she knew where Heidi was buried but couldn't tell anyone." Rogers own family has a secret.
Fact- Trudy the psychic Bohrer was driving around with. Was once married to officer Lortie. Another connection. Or just a simple fact. That Bohrer is driving around with a huge connection to Officer Lortie.
Fact- Breckinridge and Maynes were making comments of involvement.
Fact-Bohrer met with FBI in 95, was listed as a person of interest.
Fact-They used the idea because Gary and Richard helped search. They must be guilty. Facts, documents, photos show. Dan Barney, David Maynes, Brett Law, Mrs. Kris Duell, partial store owner are all through the old news and helped search for Heidi Allen.
Fact - Sheriffs noted and stated all doors the customers used were unlocked. Oakes suggest only the one was. Which ones lying Oakes or the Sheriffs.
Fact-Sheriff Nellis stated in 94, Gary was arrested because he matched the one who had grabbed Heidi. But Sheriff Todd testified Gary matched the eye witness as a driver. So which ones lying?
Fact - The sheriff's did deny help of 120 investigators from across the state. Denied the help. Then Cuomo sends over 200 national guard and volunteers.
Fact-Kris Duells file was tampered with prior to Gary's trial. She also helped man the search areas. Is this why Rice Road was never searched.
Fact-Several days in to the kidnapping Sheriffs said there was no proof a crime was ever committed and ended the on foot searches.
Fact-Heidi family flew in Benningfield. Benningfield sends request for searches. Thus bringing up the problem. About the then lie, they never denied help.
Fact-Bohrer David Maynes snuck on Gary Thibodeau property at 2 am. He was arrested. His excuse, he wanted to make sure the cops didn't plant anything. Is what he told reporters. What he told police was he was checking on the dog.
Fact-Reporters caught the Sheriffs pulling a shovel with human tissue on it from an investigators vehicle. When asked why they had it. They declined to respond. Smh..maybe Maynes knew Gary didn't do it, cause he did. Knew these cops would plant evidence.?
Fact-They there are to many actual facts in this. To many, unusual coindencences with all the same names. When you minus out either Thibodeau brother. You can clearly see, something's wrong. How Ironic all those same names that were named in 94, 95, reports, news, interviews, so on, are in play once again. Ask yourself. What are the chances. One in a million. An officer once said it best. " To many coincidences equal guilt."
                                                                                                                            November 12/17

The Innocent in the land of OZ
They don't believe in FBI, that's obvious. They truly think no ones paying attention. Sorry to tell them. They have been implimented 4 years ago. Every move they've made, every lie they've told has been documented. Their clock will someday not tick. The man in court. Was making fun of them. He has far more power than any sheriff with a toy badge. He saw straight through them. One comment he made. "This isn't the first time he was called to OZ." If you ask any of the ones sworn to protect you from OZ, they wouldn't believe their names on any FBI LIST. Sorry to pop their little lying bubble. But there names were given by many. I do not doubt the claims coke was being sold out of any dept up there or by any cops there in OZ, Bohrer use to meet Mr. Bobby Wheeler right across from Medspar, maybe Bobby needs a physical and should tell the truth, before its to late for him. He was spotted repeated times in his black dark tinted window car, parked across from Medspar, with good ol Bohrer hanging from the driver side window. Is that why Bobby, Bohrer says 2 things that should spark anyone. "An officer showing cocaine symptoms on the stand (must be Bohrer was in Gary's court room), that wheelers business is no good." When I personally was asked, who wheeler may be. First response was Bobby. Bobby has always been dirty. That is not something he could seem to hide at all, ever. For the good Sheriffs to put blinders on. God forgive them, they to have a nice spot in Hell, a long with Oakes, Moody, Todd and Dodd. Here's a hint Sheriffs. Many are coming for you. Times passing. In the end, your clock will stop with feds, few dozen cuffs. Do you truly think messing with a justice dept employee Lisa was going to get you anywhere, it won't. Court order comes in, it'll take from what I am told 6 hours to round you all up. Cowboy FEDS vs cop wanna bees, which ones going to win? Here Oakes a tad bit of a hint. Go pull files on East Coast resorts another coke drop off place. Ask campers from the 90's what Bohrer buddy Fabian was flying in and landing on the water, ask them you worth less DA what it is they saw. Fabian also walked away from Murder charges. How convient. I'll give you one hint. It goes up your nose. You might want to check Wheelers nose, find out why he shows signs of drug use.
                                                                                                                            November 11/17



Vanpatten corrupt to the core
I once received a phone call. From someone who helped move the van, he screamed, "Vanpatten ordered the hit on Heidi." That I do not doubt. Vanpatten is knee deep in this. He is the main problem. Notice he is no where to be found. Hiding just like the Sheriff. Vanpatten everyone is well aware you are also knee deep in to the drug field. Funny how that all works for you. How is your buddy Leo Richardson, the fella who was also arrested for holding a girl against their will? Whom owned the bar your corrupt ass rated Heidi out at? The bar known as a drug bar. Vanpatten you truly think no one really knows. Many do. Some have made calls about you. Cuffs, a jump suit and some feds, will bring pure justice. Only then, will Heidi and anyone you have ever hurt get justice. When that day comes. Many will cheer FEDS on.
                                                                                                                            November 11/17

 


Gary Thibodeau...The Death Of Common Sense
To: Theories up the ass and last witness.

this what I think too. This case has so many holes, you could walk thru it. Loved both of your posts.
Problem is when the Judge, DA and cops are all trying to cover up a bad arrest and conviction it's hard to uncover and get what you want....BUT NOT FOR THE FBI!!!

Nothing in this case makes sense except that LE wanted a quick arrest to put an end to this and not to get themselves in trouble. One poster said a few weeks ago that a retired cop told him that coke was being sold out of the OPD...true? Who knows but I've heard the same thing.

Find the old Peeled Onion blog and read Mrs. Granger's statements when she arrived at the store....

Is that why Mrs. Granger's statements were stamped late?

Face it fellas, the only hope you have for not going to prison is if the FBI or the DOJ or the NYS atty's office doesn't do a full investigation. Only a child would believe any of this investigation was done without corruption.

Nice job Donald Dodd, you got an innocent man put in prison...WITHOUT ANY PROOF! AND THEY DIDN'T MATCH THE DESCRIPTION FROM BIVENS, HE SAID THEY WERE BOTH TALLER THAN HEIDI. RICHARD IS 5'4" AND GARY IS 5'8"....HOW TALL WAS HEIDI?

Does Jenn Westcott feel like an ignored woman after she spilled he guts to the OCSD inv. and nothing was done about it? She told you what happened and you sat there and ignored it. Would you please respond and let us know why?
                                                                                                                            November 10/17


Theories up the ASS
One theory was Gary and Richard picked Heidi up. Went to Gary's. Gary and Heidi enter the woods. Start arguing, Gary then hits her in the head with a shovel. They then bring Heidi back to the store. Richard forgets his smokes. Upon returning Heidi is missing. Per Baldasaro theory. So who took Heidi after being dropped off?

Second Theory is a witness saw Gary and Richard carry something rolled up and taken in the woods. So if she's rolled up in something and taken in the woods. Then apparently Heidi was never dropped off back at the store, per Baldasaros claims.

Third theory they couldn't have carried her off in any woods if Gary was then blamed for burning her remains in his wood stove and then burying her on his property.
So, some how she removed herself from the store. After coming back from Garys, was then carried off inside a rolled up item, taken in to the woods. Then burned in a stove that sat right beside Gary's home, later to be buried on his property. Quite a series of theories. But these aren't all.

The fourth is opportunity. Crime of passion per Sheriffs comments on Dateline. In turn it contradicts Baldasaro the jail house snitch, who says Richard and Gary planned to meet with Heidi to talk to her.

Opportunity is never a planned event. That’s probably why the Sheriff himself has learned to shut up. "There are no cabins there never were.", " James Steens not a bad guy.",..the Sheriff and it's offices look like morons. No Sheriff the only one out of their ever loving minds are those supporting this conviction and any if you corrupt officials. Due to political status, job title, you name it, it doesn't matter. Right is right "Sheriffs" and this is all wrong. If they support you. Their IQ, can't be to high. There is a point. Bad cops, make them all look corrupt.
                                                                                                                            November 8-9/17

Bobby Baldasaro
Has anyone besides Dodd seen the notes about Bobby?

HHmmm. A report from Florida probation says they recommend that his probation be revoked and "2 years community control for closer supervision". Notes show that a governors warrant was issued for him. They were going to hold him up in MA so he can testify in NY "then we can justify putting him back on probation". What? He got probation for testifying in NY.

Damn, and I thought it was testified to that neither inmate received any benefit for testifying.?!

It's all in black and white...Bobby did.
                                                                                                                            November 7/17



Heidi Allen
It is refreshing after all this time to see your readers are getting closer, the post that stated the officer did this and that. the same officer that was infatuated with this new young informer, who lost her card at the same place she was taken from, find out who got her the job. could it be the same officer that happened to pass by that morning and was flagged down, fits the FBI profile, who manipulated the investigation toward the two brothers or others near by.
                                                                                                                            November 7/17


Here are some more Facts that Oakes and the Leos seem to by pass.

Fact - the same officer whom exposed Heidi is one who met with Richard Thibodeau.
Fact - The same officer exposed her twice, not once as Oakes and Sheriff like to think.
Fact - This officer knew Mensch, whom is great buddies to Dan Barney
Fact - This officer exposed Heidi to Mensch.
Fact - Heidi then vanished.
Fact - They hid all info on Bohrer even though FBI took his statement in 95 and he was listed as a suspicious person
Fact - Dan Barney was real probable suspect
Fact - Store owners file was breached prior to Gary's original trial
Fact - They with held the suspect list
Fact - They with held CI card, per Terry Whipple testimony, "I can not give to defense what was not given to me."
Fact- Gary, nor Sharon ever went to Mass, per Sheriff own testimony and paperwork of them detailing Gary's Cadillac in his driveway the night of April 3, 1994.
Fact - The Sheriff dept and the DA office are habitual liars.
Fact - The higher powers in OZ, have no idea, all eyes from higher authority have watched every move they have made for 4 years for a reason.
Fact - Officer Petrowski disposed of, stole or has hidden evidence. Just may have been caught by higher authority, than himself.
Fact- citizens were complaining even DA Oakes went around spewing an entirely new theory about Gary throwing Heidi remains off a cliff in MASS, even though evidence shows Gary was in OZ, NY.
FACT- THE POLITICAL POWERS DO NOT LIKE FACTS. THEY'VE BOUNCED AROUND COMPLETE FACTS FOR 23 years with nothing but lies.
Fact Greg seems to believe the words only from Baldasaro, but clearly bypasses the suspects own admissions.
Fact everyone but Baldasaro to Oakes is hear say. Even though it's a fact Baldasaro in the Sheriffs papers claims he heard everything from a man named chicken.
Fact- Chicken tells the Sheriffs. He hears nothing from Gary. Is that why Chicken wasn't called to testify.
Fact That Donald Dodd is a dirty ass DA, and Oakes is right on Dodds heels.
                                                                                                                            November 6/17
 


Heidi Allen case
I wish that someone would do an entirely factual story from front to back on how the brothers became suspect and one was convicted and the other acquitted. There is so much available for the public to get the facts about.

Juries get it wrong often and that’s why there have been so many people let go over the past 10 years, and more. Mostly because of false convictions due to shoddy DNA testing but others from misidentification and prosecutors who “coach” their witnesses into saying what they think the jury wants to hear to convict.

Didn’t Dodd say during the Hearing that all documents had two stamps and a green mark? Well, where’s those on Mrs. Granger’s statements? “All documents were handled the same.” I think not. Or did you mean only the documents YOU wanted handled that way. Was Mrs. Granger’s statements one of those documents which you wouldn’t say what it was that you weren’t turning over?

Are most prosecutors ego-maniacs?
                                                                                                                            November 3/17



Brenda Rice....Really
Brenda Rice is Oswego City's version of Howie Hawkins. Runs every couple of years and nobody is going to take her serious. Two minutes of talking to her on the front porch is enough exposure for a couple of years.
Hang it up Brenda...your mouth alone will defeat you.
                                                                                                                            November 3/17



Lets Get To Know The Real NATE EMMONS
Lets get to know the real Nate Emmons...

Since being elected into office as an Alderman NATE EMMONS has done the following...

1. NATE EMMONS has voted YES to RAISE TAXES.. so his flyer "cutting out the fat" must have a different meaning to Nate Emmons

2. NATE EMMONS voted YES to lay off Fireman from The Oswego Fire Department

3. NATE EMMONS voted yes to layoff CSEA Employees

4. HE DOES NOT RETURN PHONE CALLS WHEN PEOPLE CALL! HOW DO I KNOW? I'VE CALLED MULTIPLE TIMES WITH AN ISSUE IN THE WARD AND HE HAS YET TO RETURN ONE OF MY CALLS!

IF THIS IS HOW NATE IS AS AN ALDERMAN WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT HIM AS A LEGISLATURE?

IF YOU'RE IN THE 15TH DISTRICT, NOVEMBER 7TH MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT!!!!!!!!
                                                                                                                            November 3/17

 

 

Brenda Rice
Three times the first ward elected someone else and they all were duds.
Maybe it is time for Brenda Rice.

                                                                                                                            November 3/17

 


Xpress Auto Care
Beware aware of the crew over at Xpress Auto Care as they are failing inspections on purpose. I was recently there and the crew are a bunch of young punks who lie and falsify documents. I told the crew I was going to report them to the owner and asked for the owners name but none of them claimed to know the owner (lies). After telling them I was going to report them to their boss they wanted to fight; no worries all the guys there weigh like 98 pounds. The main issue is they told me that my inspection failed do to the aliment of my car and I bought my car from a dealer less than a year ago and the car is like brand new; I was also told by other inspection places that it was obvious that they ripped me off as most don't inspect for aliment. Everyone beware and to the owner, you never called me so this is what you have to deal with now!

                                                                                                                            November 3/17


Past Witness
As far as Appeal and Dodd's or OCSD's credibility in discovery....Why does Pat Granger's first statement made on April 3, 1994 have a Received by Oswego County Sheriff's Dept. stamp on July 21, 1995? Her second statement was made on July 14, 1995. That was after Gary's trial already started. Is it proper to stamp "received" 15 months after the statement was taken?

**Head slap** This is OCSD who allows their deputies to write reports 2 years after an incident related to Heidi.
                                                                                                                            November 2/17


 


Death to common sense
Look closer at the Sheriffs time line.
4:19 a.m., someone arrived two hours prior to Heidi and turned the register on. Who, why and did they also exit the building. Sheriffs have, Heidi, Mr. S, Richard and Mr. Stitson all on the scene at the same time. Impossible. Their time lines a joke. Their investigation should not have started at the time Heidi turned on the cash register at 6 am, but at 4:19 am, I am certain the owners of the store should be able to explain who accessed the store prior to Heidi, who had a key and why were they there. No ones paying any attention to the fact the store had a visitor that obviously had access to store keys, cash register keys two hours prior to Heidi. The State police just slapped the shit out of the Sheriffs by saying we do not arrest on pure speculation and we work with FBI. SHERIFFS arrest on speculation, they refuse to work with FBI, the dept is a joke, ransacked by corrupt officials. That's reality.
                                                                                                                            October 31/17
 


Gary Thibodeau.....The Death Of Common Sense
Still wondering about all the loose ends in this case (easily found) and the real big one is the time lines at the store.

Stinson (not accusing him of any crime) said he was there at 7:38 after a deputy and himself timed his route and he found out his watch was 3 minutes slower than he thought.

Richard and Swenkowski got there a 7:41.

If Stinson got there 3 minutes before Richard and Swenkowski, why didn't he go into the store? Why did he wait 4 minutes to do so. Had to be after 7:42 per OCSD time of kidnapping by Richard and Gary because Stinson said he did NOT see Heidi....how, just how the hell could this ACTUALLY, factually and really have happened like this???

And he said he did not see anyone or any vehicles there, but Swenkowski did , Richard did, they both saw Heidi, but Stinson said he didn't see Heidi. Swenkowski testified that he saw Richard leave the store ALONE. But still Stinson said he saw nothing and then entered the store, and no Heidi.

HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED???? And was this addressed in the grand jury or the first trial. See people it is impossible for Richard and Gary (who was not seen there, by ANYONE) to commit this crime.

I know what my opinion is, what's yours?
                                                                                                                            October 30/17
 

 

RE: So what's up with this jeep and wagon business? Wouldn't that be considered theft of services? A lot of questions to be answered.

When Kells took a trailer from the citys old equipment and had the DPW fix it up there is nothing wrong with that. When he had it delivered to his house to be used for his Halloween hayride then it became theft of city equipment.

When he took a Jeep from the city impound lot had the mechanics fix it up filled it with gas at the city pumps and then delivered to his house to pull the hay wagon that was theft of services, theft of gasoline and grand theft auto.

The mayor knew and so did the police chief.

                                                                                                                              October 30/17

 

Heidi

The FBI profiler said that the person that abducted Heidi Allen would be someone obsessed with the case and someone that would try and involve them self in the investigation. That fits two people I can think of Michale Boher and Lisa Buske.
                                                                                                                            October 24/17
 


I to hope it's their turn...

                                                                                                                            October 23/17


Deadline: Crime with Tamron Hall "The Vanishing Clerk"
I watched. One of the most noteworthy quotes from the show was when Lisa Buske, Heidi's sister, said that one can't

form an opinion simply from reading the news. I believe she was referring to the recent revelations however,

I'd like to take it back to 1994/1995 when the jurors spoke anonymously after the verdict. They, or only one, commented such as

"they made the van move",

we didn't believe Gary's alibi because "we thought she was trying to protect her man", "they must of had plastic in the van".

Forming a personal opinion about the defense witness/es. Specifically, that Richard's (Teresa) elderly family members testified

about his alibi but was having a difficult time remembering a timeline without opining the same for the eyewitness who was much

younger that "I don't recall" often when questioned by the Defense. Facts via witness testimony show that it was impossible

for the van to have moved the way it did in the time period testified to. Gary's alibi was acquitted of lying but not until after

Gary's convicere was no evidence via testimony that suggested there was plastic in the van. If that's what the jurors based

their verdict on, their own possible theories, they are just as wrong in their decision as the DA is for continuing to punish

Gary "The Innocent" Thibodeau. ALL the theories of how Gary and Richard could have committed the crime of kidnapping

Heidi have been debunked. She wasn't burned and buried on Gary's property as the inmates testified to as evidenced by no

DNA evidence or any link by the FBI. The taking Heidi to MA in the Caddy theory was debunked by proof via Gary's alibis'

charges for perjury relath going to MA being dismissed and no evidence that the rolled rug, or whatever was claimed in

the show, having any link to Heidi. No surprise that Lisaing totion. T B. gave up hope on finding Heidi alive after 10 years

when the DA claims that Gary and Richard "brought her to a place never to be found". "We just know they did it but can't

tell you how, why or where". That's Justice? For Heidi's or Gary's family? Justice would be following up more stringently on

the "boasters" because at the very least 3 cadaver dogs indicated in an area similar to where one of them claimed to have

take